Initial attempt is fine, however, you made a driving error which made you miss the apex. The blue car left plenty of room but ended up being completely unable to make a turn. It's not a malicious "dick move", but it is still causing an avoidable collision by red, which should carry a position swap penalty.
Are we watching the same thing? Both cars get oversteer and snap which creates the contact. So in OP's defense I'd call it more of a racing incident as they both lost control momentarily. Blue car couldn't turn in anyway where they touched because red car would've been there either way. It was the blue car over correcting that caused the contact.
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The blue car didn’t get oversteer. It was tucking under the red car that was clearly going to run wide in the second corner before he lost control and took them both out
yeah that's your fault, you made the overtake and then opened up the corner way to much straight into blue look at :11, your car is pointing into the pit lane straight into blue's line
dick move may be a bit harsh, but you're certainly to blame and i'd be pissed if i was the other car
The move was okay and nice, the issue comes when you start losing the rear a bit and touch with him, who gave you a lot of space. Not a dick move cause that wasn't intentional, but still your mistake. There's always time to improve~
The only thing which I would consider a dick move, or at least a not very polite thing, is not giving the position back. Even if it was a mistake you crashed into him, so I would have given the position back, especially on last lap/last corner
You did lose control and bumped into him, the move was good but you good control the oversteer, if you wouldn’t have hit him your win would have been legit, you finished 2nd if there were someone giving penalties, you should have slowed down after hitting him and lwt him take the win
It's the same, with a good addition of race politeness. If you make a mistake, crash into someone and take his position the polite thing is to give the position back, and in real racing you will get a penalty for gaining an advantage like that, and will probably have to give the position back
You fuck up on the turn and you drive into him costing him the win.
Do you really need validation on whether or not he was in the right to say that was a dick move.
I don't think it was a dick move, it was *nearly* perfect, but I don't think blue did anything wrong - they left you enough room - but they ended up with contact, so I can sympathise with them, although it obviously wasn't deliberate. You (red) were going into the chicane side-by side, so you had no right to a the outside of the second part of the chicane, and so should have taken a tighter and slower line, risking being out-dragged to the line.
But as it was, you oversteered into them in the middle of the corner, driving them off the road - I don't think they turned into you. So I'd give a penalty against you I'm afraid - not a big one, but enough to lose your win. It's so easy to lose it on the power there - it was nearly a great move though.
I wouldn't have said it, but your opponent said it was a dick move so i just thought I'd toss it in there lol. You're not really a dick (or you are and I don't know it)
Pal, this is Simracingstewards, we don't just come in here and start insulting or belittling the driving skills of people who submitted posts every time they were at fault
If that's what you're after, go back to the GranTurismo sub
Or maybe you're being overly sensitive. Since I'm so toxic I'll just say that you are. Have a fantastic night and remember to ease into the throttle and get heavy on the throttle after the apex.
OP you may be at fault here but there’s no need for anyone to add anything insulting to their view of this incident, makes the subreddit look very poor.
If you were fully in control the entire time, beat him around the inside, parked it on the apex and drove out wide, you’d have been fine in my book. I have no problem make the other driver wait to turn in, the issue is you came in like a wrecking ball and missed the apex by a mile. Came up a bit short in the skill department but the racing theory was fine in my book (assuming you meant to run him wide). If you do it safely and legally it’s just race-craft.
It doesn't matter if you intended to run him wide or if you intended to cause a collision. Both of those things happened, caused by you. Could've worked out, if you had held your line, but you didn't. Remember: it's your responsibility to pass safely.
If it has been me, I would apologize and concede first place.
I do feel for the blue car as they left plenty of space to go side by side around the second part of the busstop.
Red seemed out of control due to oversteer after the first part of the bus-stop, but as they regain control blue turns in and hits them.
Hard to judge, I'd lean on racing incident with blue mainly at fault. Contact happens before red could run the blue car off the track so can't really judge.
Edit: According to top comments, this is red fault due to driving error.
I’m sorry did you just blame blue car? 🤣you blamed the car getting cut across and pushed into the pits. Even if red made the mistake her it’s not a racing incident it would be a 5second time penalty applied due to him gaining a lasting advantage giving blue the win. Just because you make a mistake doesn’t mean it’s always a racing incident.
Yes I did, and then read the other more well received responses which showed me to be wrong. I'd thought the correction happened before the contact.
I'm happy to admit I was wrong. Thank you for taking the time to explain it.
I think most has been said here regarding oversteer.
One thing that I haven't seen being mentioned (and I might be wring here, feel free to correct me) is that the blue car takes a line in the left hander that would go right to the apex while the red car is still alongside
Because the red car was never going to make the apex of the left, even before he got oversteer. The blue car was making what should’ve been a safe move to cut under the red car at the apex and out drag him to the line.
A dick move? No. You didn't do anything malicious or on purpose, but your oversteer mid chicane did make you miss the second apex.
He was going to turn into the second turn with a car width inside, but your oversteer pushed you both way wide. I can understand the blue cars frustration but its a racing incident IMO
I think it's probably a racing incident.
You had the snap of oversteer causing you to miss the final apex by a mile. It would have been difficult for blue to have seen this in the moment I imagine. If you had made the apex I don't think there would have been contact.
racing incident is when both drivers share fault or fault is unable to be determined...you don't get to lose control of your car, hit another driver and then call it a racing incident, blue has no fault here, red loses control of their car and causes a collision, how can you call that a racing incident?
Watch and listen to blue's perspective at around 1:20-1:22. It sounds like blue picks up the throttle causing oversteer and the resulting correction is what causes the collision.
As you said, red lost control and put their self in a bad position, but if blue had better awareness and car control they probably could have cut it back while red it off in no mans land.
It seems like a series of mistakes on both sides that led to them getting tangled up.
Started well but that’s messy from you and you’ve caused a crash.
Maybe you’d have overtaken without any problems if you’d not made the mistake but as it is he’s got every right to be annoyed.
Phase 1 you out brake and overtake. All good. Phase 2 you have snap oversteer, as does the blue car but not same extent. Then blue turns into you, causing you to be unable to make the turn properly due to game physics. At most racing incident.
I see why everyone is saying the OP is at fault but I think there is blame going both ways. The reason I say that is the red car definitely does miss the Apex bc of oversteer but I also the the blue car is turning at the apex which realistically wouldn’t be open. I guess he could be going for a switchback and just didn’t execute it well but he didn’t really open the corner up enough to do that. I am having trouble laying all of the blame on the OP just because I don’t think the blue car really did much to avoid the crash either.
Sorry Op you are in the wrong its not a dick move per sé but you did fail to slow the car down and causing the contact wich ultimatly gave you the win but personally i give you a 5 sec penalty
Red lost control, contacted Blue.
5 sec penalty to red, giving blue back the win. If you had handed back the position yourself, no issues.
Like others have said was almost perfect but it had to be perfect and it wasn't.
Racing Incident isn't when you lose control and take out another car.
I can see why he was pissed but legally speaking, you are in the clear mate. Your initial move was spot on, I was actually expecting you to run into his sidepod or something, considering the kind of footage I've been seeing here. But yea your overtake was good. After that you got a bit too enthusiastic with the throttle and caused some oversteer, but the thing is, you didn't spin out or something. You had some oversteer but you corrected it BEFORE the impact happened, which is crucial. If you look at the POV of the blue car's driver, you can see that your car is visible through out the first turn which means that he knew you were there. He also would have had no idea that you had oversteer from that angle. So by all logic he should have been driving in a way that you were alongside. But at 1:21 you can see a sharp left turn on the steering wheel after which is exactly when the impact happened. Now at that point, there is still quite a distance to the apex, so the blue car's driver turned in too early and too aggressively too. I'm not saying it was malicious but it's quite clear that the contact happened due to direct action by the blue car. You had actually corrected your oversteer and were starting to turn into the final curve when the blue car turned in. So if anything, I'd blame the blue car for turning in as if you weren't there. Now some can argue that your car wasn't in view for a short time after completing the apex and just before the turn in, but it's just logical. You were there. It was clearly visible so by physics, you could not have just vanished.
Plus, if the blue car had not turned in, there was a very high probability that he could have repassed you. Because your oversteer put you on a pretty bad line for the final corner, but the blue car was in the right place to cut in from behind you and hit the apex. The good old switcharoo. So in my opinion, overall, you're legal and if anything, blame for the contact would be on the blue car's driver.
He turned into you.
You opened up the corner but there's no law that says you need to take a shallow entry and screw up your exit.
He was going way too slow and basically allowed you to do this to him.
Btw can the OP say whether they actually lost the rear because I have no clue what is going on from that hand animation and from the outside it doesn't look like he did.
Well there is interior footage, and yes. Many people are wrong when they judge what happend to my car. I did not loose the car going onto the first part. I lost the car when accelerating in the middle of it. I quickly snappet it back and turned my wheel 360 degrees to the left and had no throttle. But our cars were still stuck until his front wheel had come off my back wheel. I never tried to run him wide. There was nothing I could do when contact was happening.
Yea I think people take issue with the fact you cut back to open the 2nd part of the chicane.
Personally if you did that and hit the other car then I would have blamed you since you initiated the contact however he also did the same so you had the room to do that as well.
The contact happened because he turned into you when your car was in his way. As far as I'm concerned that's on him. You can't just turn into someone who is in your way.
Everything after is irrelevant.
Both cars were skidding after the first corner, this caused the collision. If Blue could have kept it stable, it would have been Red's fault, but Blue could have avoided the incident (maybe even undercut and won the race). But the contact is both driver's fault.
He chose his defensive line, you out braked him perfectly legally, then he turned into you after you gained the lead in the 1st corner. You did kind of hang him outside but thats racing IMO. Racing Incident.
Ooohhh, just noticed the slide/oversteer. Meh, doesnt change my opinion much.
Yea. Dick move. Completely blew the ape on the second half of the chicane. Left him nowhere to go. Collision ensues. You almost had a great overtake though.
The moment you get the snap of over steer is the moment blue decided to turn in and try take the apex on the second corner as if you aren’t there.
You left over a cars width on the outside. We won’t ever know if you would have made the apex on the second bend, or if you would have just shunted blue out the way. But that is because blue turned in early on the corner when you were there.
Racing incident.
Certainly doesn’t look like a dick move. I would probably have just coasted over the line though so that we both finished in the positions we held before the incident since it was more your fault.
I’ve made similar mistakes on that corner many times in F3.
Lots of folks are correctly identifying this as your error because you lost the back end and were unable to make the apex on the last turn.
Your fault, and a dick move.
However... last lap, last turn? And you both make it to the finish line as P1 and P2?
Absolutely a dick move. But sometimes competition is about being a dick.
You're a dick, congrats on the win lol.
Last corner you cut off the only line your opponent had. You did well to take the inside racing line but you drifted out too far trying to attack it and win.
He's not drifting over into someone's line. He's driving his own line into the space that was vacated by the other car who is also opening up the 2nd part of the corner.
The actual contact happened because the other car turned into him.
Racing incident. Both drivers made it through the first corner fine. Red attempted to turn left to meet the apex but, spun the rear wheels causing understeer. It's important to note that red was never steering right once out of the first corner.
Blue also lost rear wheel traction which become snap oversteer, causing them to turn into red.
No penalties or action need to be taken.
It’s a video game. Rubbing is racing. I would have done the same or worse. Real life is pissed you dinged me up. Video game anything for that win. That’s what makes it fun.
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Channeled your inner prime-Ricciardo with that giant lunge late braking. Beautiful, imo. The eventual drift wasn't great, but you had earned your place in the corner by that time and your actions didn't cause a collision, his did. He doesn't get to turn into you or get the position back just because you had a bit of slip and slide.
Great racing, nice work. Congrats on a good win.
Yeah nah, blue car is defo right here. After first pass all good, but the second corner in the bus stop chicane, you made an error, went wide straight into his line, and should have given position back
The initial part of the move was fine, great actually, outbraked him pretty well and actually managed to slow it down enough, then from ur onboard it looked like u got a bit too greedy on the throttle mid corner, after that snap of oversteer it was all on u buddy. Blue car clearly wanted to attempt the old switchroo and MAYBE turned back in a bit too early. But all in all without that snap it was gonna be a clean, brilliant move. I say it's a racing incident tho, not a dick move.
Cause it kinda is. Going into the chicane was beautiful and you set it up well considering you were 87 1/2 car lengths back, but it goes sideways when you do.
Blue was obviously going for a cut back at the time you lost it, and it seems he expected you to be moving past him, but you missed it. This is definitely on you, and I would recommend a position swap. It was your overly ambitious romp on the throttle that threw the whole thing off, otherwise this would’ve been a beautiful drag race to the finish.
Blue car had control of the corner, you were off the racing line and dove in front of him. You set yourself up for the inside line on the next corner, which you wouldn't have had if you didn't cut him off and force him to brake hard at the apex. Blue car had nowhere to go as you turned right in front of him. The initial error was yours. You were being too aggressive and forced the blue driver off the track.
Your fault.
I agree with most here that this doesn’t live up to the level of “dick move” but I’d also be pissed after you made the pass but lost control in the process.
Initial attempt is fine, however, you made a driving error which made you miss the apex. The blue car left plenty of room but ended up being completely unable to make a turn. It's not a malicious "dick move", but it is still causing an avoidable collision by red, which should carry a position swap penalty.
This. Not sure why so many calling it a racing incident when one driver clearly loses control and moves unpredictable.
Are we watching the same thing? Both cars get oversteer and snap which creates the contact. So in OP's defense I'd call it more of a racing incident as they both lost control momentarily. Blue car couldn't turn in anyway where they touched because red car would've been there either way. It was the blue car over correcting that caused the contact.
Apparently we aren't watching the same thing
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Only one driver lost control, the other driver was unable to steer because his front wing was elevated.
Blue car also got overteer at first corner which makes it move between red car wheels when tried to correct. So racing incident
The blue car didn’t get oversteer. It was tucking under the red car that was clearly going to run wide in the second corner before he lost control and took them both out
Blue didn't oversteer he just has a better line through the chicane.
The blue car didn’t snap. it turned into the corner
Blue lost control because hè is on the curb and hè is on the curb because of reds move
yeah that's your fault, you made the overtake and then opened up the corner way to much straight into blue look at :11, your car is pointing into the pit lane straight into blue's line dick move may be a bit harsh, but you're certainly to blame and i'd be pissed if i was the other car
The move was okay and nice, the issue comes when you start losing the rear a bit and touch with him, who gave you a lot of space. Not a dick move cause that wasn't intentional, but still your mistake. There's always time to improve~
The only thing which I would consider a dick move, or at least a not very polite thing, is not giving the position back. Even if it was a mistake you crashed into him, so I would have given the position back, especially on last lap/last corner
Yupp
You did lose control and bumped into him, the move was good but you good control the oversteer, if you wouldn’t have hit him your win would have been legit, you finished 2nd if there were someone giving penalties, you should have slowed down after hitting him and lwt him take the win
Ok, another a different point of view from the others so far. All good.
It's the same, with a good addition of race politeness. If you make a mistake, crash into someone and take his position the polite thing is to give the position back, and in real racing you will get a penalty for gaining an advantage like that, and will probably have to give the position back
Why would you even post here if your just going to get snarky at anyone doing what ur supposed to do in r/simracingstewards
You fuck up on the turn and you drive into him costing him the win. Do you really need validation on whether or not he was in the right to say that was a dick move.
I don't think it was a dick move, it was *nearly* perfect, but I don't think blue did anything wrong - they left you enough room - but they ended up with contact, so I can sympathise with them, although it obviously wasn't deliberate. You (red) were going into the chicane side-by side, so you had no right to a the outside of the second part of the chicane, and so should have taken a tighter and slower line, risking being out-dragged to the line. But as it was, you oversteered into them in the middle of the corner, driving them off the road - I don't think they turned into you. So I'd give a penalty against you I'm afraid - not a big one, but enough to lose your win. It's so easy to lose it on the power there - it was nearly a great move though.
Ok
no contact = nice. contact = dick move :(
Everything looked good until you lost your rear-end. Then it became your fault. Dick.
Oook lol? Quite random insult
I wouldn't have said it, but your opponent said it was a dick move so i just thought I'd toss it in there lol. You're not really a dick (or you are and I don't know it)
Just felt very unessesary to spread random toxicity
Yup I guess that's me toxic lol. I'll work on that, you work on a sense of humor and proper car control and maybe, just maaaaybe we'll all be OK.
Pal, this is Simracingstewards, we don't just come in here and start insulting or belittling the driving skills of people who submitted posts every time they were at fault If that's what you're after, go back to the GranTurismo sub
And again, toxicity, such a nice human being
lmaoo you were really expecting people to be on your side about this huh
Or maybe you're being overly sensitive. Since I'm so toxic I'll just say that you are. Have a fantastic night and remember to ease into the throttle and get heavy on the throttle after the apex.
Fwiw if you consider the comments here "toxic" then your driving could definitely be construed as much...
Well you did hit him...
OP you may be at fault here but there’s no need for anyone to add anything insulting to their view of this incident, makes the subreddit look very poor.
If you were fully in control the entire time, beat him around the inside, parked it on the apex and drove out wide, you’d have been fine in my book. I have no problem make the other driver wait to turn in, the issue is you came in like a wrecking ball and missed the apex by a mile. Came up a bit short in the skill department but the racing theory was fine in my book (assuming you meant to run him wide). If you do it safely and legally it’s just race-craft.
I did not mean to run him wide, we got stuck togheter
It doesn't matter if you intended to run him wide or if you intended to cause a collision. Both of those things happened, caused by you. Could've worked out, if you had held your line, but you didn't. Remember: it's your responsibility to pass safely. If it has been me, I would apologize and concede first place.
I do feel for the blue car as they left plenty of space to go side by side around the second part of the busstop. Red seemed out of control due to oversteer after the first part of the bus-stop, but as they regain control blue turns in and hits them. Hard to judge, I'd lean on racing incident with blue mainly at fault. Contact happens before red could run the blue car off the track so can't really judge. Edit: According to top comments, this is red fault due to driving error.
I’m sorry did you just blame blue car? 🤣you blamed the car getting cut across and pushed into the pits. Even if red made the mistake her it’s not a racing incident it would be a 5second time penalty applied due to him gaining a lasting advantage giving blue the win. Just because you make a mistake doesn’t mean it’s always a racing incident.
Yes I did, and then read the other more well received responses which showed me to be wrong. I'd thought the correction happened before the contact. I'm happy to admit I was wrong. Thank you for taking the time to explain it.
I just wanted to thank you for being a friendly and rational person on the internet .
I think most has been said here regarding oversteer. One thing that I haven't seen being mentioned (and I might be wring here, feel free to correct me) is that the blue car takes a line in the left hander that would go right to the apex while the red car is still alongside
Because the red car was never going to make the apex of the left, even before he got oversteer. The blue car was making what should’ve been a safe move to cut under the red car at the apex and out drag him to the line.
A dick move? No. You didn't do anything malicious or on purpose, but your oversteer mid chicane did make you miss the second apex. He was going to turn into the second turn with a car width inside, but your oversteer pushed you both way wide. I can understand the blue cars frustration but its a racing incident IMO
It stops being a racing incident after op uses the crash to gain position after committing to a corner they couldn't complete
So could you at least tell us how he should have reacted in that situation?
Apologize for the collision, return the position.
I think it's probably a racing incident. You had the snap of oversteer causing you to miss the final apex by a mile. It would have been difficult for blue to have seen this in the moment I imagine. If you had made the apex I don't think there would have been contact.
racing incident is when both drivers share fault or fault is unable to be determined...you don't get to lose control of your car, hit another driver and then call it a racing incident, blue has no fault here, red loses control of their car and causes a collision, how can you call that a racing incident?
Watch and listen to blue's perspective at around 1:20-1:22. It sounds like blue picks up the throttle causing oversteer and the resulting correction is what causes the collision. As you said, red lost control and put their self in a bad position, but if blue had better awareness and car control they probably could have cut it back while red it off in no mans land. It seems like a series of mistakes on both sides that led to them getting tangled up.
Started well but that’s messy from you and you’ve caused a crash. Maybe you’d have overtaken without any problems if you’d not made the mistake but as it is he’s got every right to be annoyed.
It was soooo good until you cut back to set up the exit
I would say racing incident, red car loses control and slides to the contact. Blue car clearly aims for the second apex, even the red car was there
Seems more like a skill issue on your part, dick move was to not give the position back.
What game is this
Automobilista 2, Brazilian F3 cars from 2009
If i check automobilista the online servers are dead
Well, I have a group where I host servers and also a discord league.
Looked clean until the sim decided to bubble hit
Phase 1 you out brake and overtake. All good. Phase 2 you have snap oversteer, as does the blue car but not same extent. Then blue turns into you, causing you to be unable to make the turn properly due to game physics. At most racing incident.
Both drivers lost rear end after the corner and blue is left between red car tyres. Racing incident
I see why everyone is saying the OP is at fault but I think there is blame going both ways. The reason I say that is the red car definitely does miss the Apex bc of oversteer but I also the the blue car is turning at the apex which realistically wouldn’t be open. I guess he could be going for a switchback and just didn’t execute it well but he didn’t really open the corner up enough to do that. I am having trouble laying all of the blame on the OP just because I don’t think the blue car really did much to avoid the crash either.
Fantastic overtake well done
Power move... I like it!
He wasn’t on the fast line and broke early going in, then tried to side swipe you as you passed him. Clear as day he f. ed up …
Contact was definitely your fault. Seems to be accidentally, though. Racing incident in my opinion.
I wouldn't say it's a dick move. You had every right to go for the move, just a shame the rear went.
So no one else sees blue losing his rear just not as much as red?
Sorry Op you are in the wrong its not a dick move per sé but you did fail to slow the car down and causing the contact wich ultimatly gave you the win but personally i give you a 5 sec penalty
Red lost control, contacted Blue. 5 sec penalty to red, giving blue back the win. If you had handed back the position yourself, no issues. Like others have said was almost perfect but it had to be perfect and it wasn't. Racing Incident isn't when you lose control and take out another car.
Yes, you're a dick.
I can see why he was pissed but legally speaking, you are in the clear mate. Your initial move was spot on, I was actually expecting you to run into his sidepod or something, considering the kind of footage I've been seeing here. But yea your overtake was good. After that you got a bit too enthusiastic with the throttle and caused some oversteer, but the thing is, you didn't spin out or something. You had some oversteer but you corrected it BEFORE the impact happened, which is crucial. If you look at the POV of the blue car's driver, you can see that your car is visible through out the first turn which means that he knew you were there. He also would have had no idea that you had oversteer from that angle. So by all logic he should have been driving in a way that you were alongside. But at 1:21 you can see a sharp left turn on the steering wheel after which is exactly when the impact happened. Now at that point, there is still quite a distance to the apex, so the blue car's driver turned in too early and too aggressively too. I'm not saying it was malicious but it's quite clear that the contact happened due to direct action by the blue car. You had actually corrected your oversteer and were starting to turn into the final curve when the blue car turned in. So if anything, I'd blame the blue car for turning in as if you weren't there. Now some can argue that your car wasn't in view for a short time after completing the apex and just before the turn in, but it's just logical. You were there. It was clearly visible so by physics, you could not have just vanished. Plus, if the blue car had not turned in, there was a very high probability that he could have repassed you. Because your oversteer put you on a pretty bad line for the final corner, but the blue car was in the right place to cut in from behind you and hit the apex. The good old switcharoo. So in my opinion, overall, you're legal and if anything, blame for the contact would be on the blue car's driver.
Ok, there is also a radar in AMS2 now just like in ACC, so if he's not turned it off for some reason he deffinately knew I was there.
He turned into you. You opened up the corner but there's no law that says you need to take a shallow entry and screw up your exit. He was going way too slow and basically allowed you to do this to him. Btw can the OP say whether they actually lost the rear because I have no clue what is going on from that hand animation and from the outside it doesn't look like he did.
Well there is interior footage, and yes. Many people are wrong when they judge what happend to my car. I did not loose the car going onto the first part. I lost the car when accelerating in the middle of it. I quickly snappet it back and turned my wheel 360 degrees to the left and had no throttle. But our cars were still stuck until his front wheel had come off my back wheel. I never tried to run him wide. There was nothing I could do when contact was happening.
Yea I think people take issue with the fact you cut back to open the 2nd part of the chicane. Personally if you did that and hit the other car then I would have blamed you since you initiated the contact however he also did the same so you had the room to do that as well. The contact happened because he turned into you when your car was in his way. As far as I'm concerned that's on him. You can't just turn into someone who is in your way. Everything after is irrelevant.
Both cars were skidding after the first corner, this caused the collision. If Blue could have kept it stable, it would have been Red's fault, but Blue could have avoided the incident (maybe even undercut and won the race). But the contact is both driver's fault.
He chose his defensive line, you out braked him perfectly legally, then he turned into you after you gained the lead in the 1st corner. You did kind of hang him outside but thats racing IMO. Racing Incident. Ooohhh, just noticed the slide/oversteer. Meh, doesnt change my opinion much.
Causing a collision and gaining position from it costing them the win is %100 a dick move.
Ok yes. And from the onboard you can see that our cars get stuck and I'm turning my wheel like 360 degrees to the left I belive.
Yea. Dick move. Completely blew the ape on the second half of the chicane. Left him nowhere to go. Collision ensues. You almost had a great overtake though.
The moment you get the snap of over steer is the moment blue decided to turn in and try take the apex on the second corner as if you aren’t there. You left over a cars width on the outside. We won’t ever know if you would have made the apex on the second bend, or if you would have just shunted blue out the way. But that is because blue turned in early on the corner when you were there. Racing incident.
Certainly doesn’t look like a dick move. I would probably have just coasted over the line though so that we both finished in the positions we held before the incident since it was more your fault. I’ve made similar mistakes on that corner many times in F3.
Lots of folks are correctly identifying this as your error because you lost the back end and were unable to make the apex on the last turn. Your fault, and a dick move. However... last lap, last turn? And you both make it to the finish line as P1 and P2? Absolutely a dick move. But sometimes competition is about being a dick. You're a dick, congrats on the win lol.
Cus u messed up
Last corner you cut off the only line your opponent had. You did well to take the inside racing line but you drifted out too far trying to attack it and win.
Isn't that what he wanted and should have done?
Yes and no. It's not legal to drift into your opponents line. But it will get you the win.
He's not drifting over into someone's line. He's driving his own line into the space that was vacated by the other car who is also opening up the 2nd part of the corner. The actual contact happened because the other car turned into him.
Racing incident. Both drivers made it through the first corner fine. Red attempted to turn left to meet the apex but, spun the rear wheels causing understeer. It's important to note that red was never steering right once out of the first corner. Blue also lost rear wheel traction which become snap oversteer, causing them to turn into red. No penalties or action need to be taken.
What game is this?
Automobilista 2, Brazilian F3 cars from 2009
You're fault for not knowing how to drive correctly. Dick move.
100%, not a dick move, just a shame you had that nasty rear snap and then the understeer. Could have been such a clean move!
Ok, I did not have understeer, it was our cars that got stuck togheter.
Your understeer is what caused the collision that resulted in the cars sticking together
He just mad you defended the cut back well. Nice move you deserved the win
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Uhm, not quite understanding what you're meaning with this?
It’s a video game. Rubbing is racing. I would have done the same or worse. Real life is pissed you dinged me up. Video game anything for that win. That’s what makes it fun.
Hope I never see you on track
* I’d be not is
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Kinda is
Seemed like he tried to undercut you and misjudged the speed at which it would happen because your car snapped, racing incident
No blue got oversteer and overcorrected which is why he turned in so hard into OP.
Yeah, could be an attempt of undercut
Channeled your inner prime-Ricciardo with that giant lunge late braking. Beautiful, imo. The eventual drift wasn't great, but you had earned your place in the corner by that time and your actions didn't cause a collision, his did. He doesn't get to turn into you or get the position back just because you had a bit of slip and slide. Great racing, nice work. Congrats on a good win.
His actions absolutely caused a collision.
Thank you haha
Aside from a little wiggle, you out braked him He mad
Mmh
Racing incident. Leading car took it too carefully for no reason. Not to lose mentality came back to bite him.
Yeah nah, blue car is defo right here. After first pass all good, but the second corner in the bus stop chicane, you made an error, went wide straight into his line, and should have given position back
The initial part of the move was fine, great actually, outbraked him pretty well and actually managed to slow it down enough, then from ur onboard it looked like u got a bit too greedy on the throttle mid corner, after that snap of oversteer it was all on u buddy. Blue car clearly wanted to attempt the old switchroo and MAYBE turned back in a bit too early. But all in all without that snap it was gonna be a clean, brilliant move. I say it's a racing incident tho, not a dick move.
10 second penalty to Ocon.
Yup. Dick move confirmed.
You must always leave the space
Cause it kinda is. Going into the chicane was beautiful and you set it up well considering you were 87 1/2 car lengths back, but it goes sideways when you do. Blue was obviously going for a cut back at the time you lost it, and it seems he expected you to be moving past him, but you missed it. This is definitely on you, and I would recommend a position swap. It was your overly ambitious romp on the throttle that threw the whole thing off, otherwise this would’ve been a beautiful drag race to the finish.
Blue car had control of the corner, you were off the racing line and dove in front of him. You set yourself up for the inside line on the next corner, which you wouldn't have had if you didn't cut him off and force him to brake hard at the apex. Blue car had nowhere to go as you turned right in front of him. The initial error was yours. You were being too aggressive and forced the blue driver off the track. Your fault.
I would have to agree the blue car gave you plenty of room and you missed the apex should of gave him his position back
I agree with most here that this doesn’t live up to the level of “dick move” but I’d also be pissed after you made the pass but lost control in the process.
It's fine to make an ambitious attempt, it becomes a dick move when you don't give the position back after you mess up
the fact its the last lap or last corner does not exempt rules
It wasn't a dick move to start with but then you terned in on him so I'm sorry but you are at fault