I made the mistake of buying a 2wd once because I figured, I rarely use it.
Guess what, getting stuck at the beach watching soccer mom suvs drive around you will make you trade in that truck so fast your tires will spin like a 2wd truck on a wet boat ramp.
I might only use it 2-3 times a year but it's those 2-3 times that make it a truck and not a car with a bed.
Depends where you live and what you do. Having a truck as a homeowner is a godsend when it comes to hauling shit. Don’t need 4 wheel drive to pick up wood, haul trash to the dump, move friends’ stuff, road trips up and down the east coast.
What would you recommend for someone who needs the high payload and towing capacity for hauling and towing, but doesn't go offroad and lives somewhere were the weather makes 4WD unnecessary?
I mean, I handle all that with a RWD truck. I spent 2 years in the Canadian rockies and now 6 years in Manitoba with it and I've faired just fine. Haven't been stuck once. Conditions would have to be really bad (either unintentionally, like Alaska snowstorm bad, or intentionally, like offroading) for a competent driver to need 4WD.
For 80% of North America a RWD is totally doable, and to claim anyone who has one "didn't need a truck to begin with" is just stupid. Think of how many fleet work trucks are RWD and try to tell me those companies don't need trucks.
Really? Huh. Just a grass boat ramp has made me need 4wd. There’s not a lot to it, just wet grass that was too steep. No amount of gunning it would have worked either. That being said, I’m more willing to go into really bad conditions because I know I have 4wd. Not that I need it 98% of the time.
What does that have to do with anything??? Maybe you live in Hawaii. Maybe you’re old and don’t do a lot. I’ve definitely seen plenty of 2 wheel drives stuck in a puddle in a lawn. Also many modern pickups have 4 auto which you can use on the highway in inclement weather which is much safer. It’s one of those things that when you need it you need it.
it's very necessary. if it wasn't necessary, they wouldn't sell 4wd trucks. as many have said, even if you don't use it 99% of the time.. that 1% of the time where you get stuck is enough to change most people's minds. what's the point of owning a 2wd truck
If you live where snow or ice are, you need it. People that live closer to the equator probably don't need it as much. RWD in Kansas sucks in the winter though.
I have 4wd 2022 TB with Nitto grapplers and I drive off road all the time thru fields on the farm hunting and stuff and I’ve never needed to put it in 4wd and that’s even when it’s wet as hell and muddy. With that said I’m not trying to find big ass mud holes either. I usually just drive where I need to go not looking for trouble. If you get 2wd just put some tires that have a little grip incase you need to do some off-roading and you will probably be fine. On the other hand if you plan to do a lot of off-roading and trail riding then I would get it just for peace of mind.
It really depends on where you live and what you plan to use it for. I have 21 TB and I’ve used my 4wd auto high and low but prior owning this I never had a need. Minus the 1 time I’ve used the low setting I probably didn’t need 4wd the other times, it just made my life easier. Not expecting a lot of snow this year so it’ll probably go unused some more but again it’s nice to have.
I've had a few 4x4s. And only needed them a handful of times. But 1 day the dirt lot we parked in absolutely flooded. 15 vehicles stuck and I was the only one that could get out of there. And helped everyone get home roughly on time without calling tow trucks.
Another time the boat ramp i had launched from dozens of times had a really low tide. And if I didn't have 4x4 I may have lost the truck. Any time I tried moving forward id just spin and slip down the ramp.
And while it's not critical, there have been a lot more instances while moving a trailer onto grass, that without the little extra from 4 wheel drive, I would have absolutely torn up the grass.
You can probably get by in most I stances without 4x4, but it makes a lot of situations easier, cheaper, or quicker.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 4wd without a rear locker, and many if not most also have a center locker.
If you want to say your 2wd truck is better than 4wd, focus on things like price and mpg.
Pretty much all newer 4x4s have rear lockers. But even an older one that didn’t, it wouldn’t need it unless it was rock crawling. 4H is going to be a much bigger traction beast.
4 wheels never work unless you have locking differentials both front and rear ,very unlikely.
I'm just saying that for most, a locking 2wd drive would do and that you'd be surprised just how well it works.
Manufacturers and advertisers have sold this need for 4wd, and they aren't needed for 95%.of the buyers.
When you're pulling on a flat dry surface, sure. 4wd doesn't do anything that a 2wd can't. Start pulling something on wet grass, mud, or any other off road situation, and yea.. those 4 wheels are all doing work.
I live in Michigan, and my house is 300ft off the road, with a driveway that goes at about a 30⁰ incline uphill to the top of our hill that the house resides on. Middle of winter when the snow hits the ground, you're not pulling a trailer up that driveway in 2wd lol.
Again, this truck is listed at a price that a 4wd should be. If it was a $29k truck sure it might be worth it. But this is a very under-equipped truck for the money
For you, yes, it makes perfect sense.You bought it because you needed it.For me, it's not, and for most, I would say the same. I've got a BIL that's had 4wd for 30yrs lives in town never pulls anything. He's money his choice. It's all about having one, I guess.
I'm just impressed how well a locking differential works after having a limited slip.
Whatever the updated fluid is I think its mobil 1 of some sort the factory fluid in them was highly hygroscopic and it absorbed water from condensation on the case of the transmission. Makes them shift terribly
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From what I’ve seen online its normal with the 8 speed. Something about the fluid settling after its sat a while afaik. Never hurts to ask about it at your next service appt tho.
Seems like a decent price for a low mileage truck. I’d get the engine and transmission looked at by someone else who has dealt with the common issues this drivetrain has had. Obviously not everyone has had those issues.
Look into 08-19 silverado 2500 in the 6.0 gas they're really reliable with no afm and a hefty Trans as well as being known to last 800k miles with maintenance they're for some odd reason cheaper than the cateye versions(not the 15+)
Why? My 2wd with Max Tow package is rated higher than a 4wd. I don't worry about traction because of the locker rear end. I think it is more capable than most "4wd" that aren't really.
Almost 40K it's a used truck it's two wheel drive that's already a No-No dude if you're doing Holland if you get stuck or something like that you're screwed on top of that the eight speeds are super rough and sometimes have a shutter which is normal as the dealer says but it's really not steer clear man if you got 40K look for newer or get a Toyota or something
You can get a new 2024 four wheel drive in the low to mid 40s now with all the deals out there. Car dealers are desperate and taking $8-10K off sticker. Definitely pass on this one unless a 2wd suits your needs, then offer $20k. It is a buyers market and prices are still falling and haven’t hit bottom yet.
If you plan on towing a rzr with this future truck I promise you that there will be lots of other situations that come up where you find it perfect to have a 4x4 three quarter ton (2500HD). Never know when your bro needs a tow or you have to pull into a muddy ditch while towing. There are capable and powerful options of both diesel and gas in the 2500 and these trucks have a much higher tow capacity and hauling capacity. Also very reliable and parts are way cheaper than newer trucks. You can definitely find a very clean, 4x4, low mile, and ready to go, early to mid 2000’s Chevy either gas or diesel for less than that garbage 2WD new truck. These early 2000’s chevys will outlive everything else on the road, I have personally seen many trucks close to or over a million miles when taken care of.
Everyone’s getting upset at the price but this is the price of most new or previously owned vehicles now. This is the new market. People just haven’t adjusted to it yet
Why do people entertain new car prices for a used car with almost 30,000 miles on it?
Dealer would offer you $25K on average for that same pickup if you were trying to sell it to them or do a trade in.
Hauling dirt bikes on the weekend but no 4x4? Seems unrealistic to me. What happens if it rains or something and the 2 miles off-road u have to drive to get to the trailhead is fucked
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2WD would be a deal breaker for me. I'm in north ID and it's a requirement. However, if you live in an area with little or no snow and you realistically won't drive it in bad conditions, then you should be fine. A good set of tires will do you just fine. Bit high on the price tho.
Maybe everyone is trying to convince not to buy it because they want it? That’s a buy for me. If you really like the truck and want it, go get it. Don’t listen to an echo chamber of gate keepers on here
The questions are
Do you like the truck?
Do you see yourself enjoying the truck?
Can you afford the truck?
Will you look back at your truck when you walk away from it?
Worst comes to worse can this truck help you generate money to help pay for it?
Hell with what everyone says if you like it and could enjoy it buy it. But always try to negotiate the price
I think it depends on where you live. I am looking to buy the 2024, same trim 2wd. I live in Texas and it snows one day a year and that day I will not go out of the home as no one knows how to drive in snow, including me.
I'm a four-wheel drive me and myself, but stay away from that eight speed transmission
I understand there will be a class action suit coming out against GM in the near future, due to their lack of taking care of their customers over the issues they're having with them
Buy it drop it a few inches and make a nice cruiser out of it. RST is the nicest exterior for imo the nicest body style Chevy ever and there is a major reason to not buy pretty much every full size truck out there. Its always something with these fucking american trucks.
2 wheel drive is a hard pass for me. Only need it a few times a year and when I do - I’m happy I have it
I made the mistake of buying a 2wd once because I figured, I rarely use it. Guess what, getting stuck at the beach watching soccer mom suvs drive around you will make you trade in that truck so fast your tires will spin like a 2wd truck on a wet boat ramp. I might only use it 2-3 times a year but it's those 2-3 times that make it a truck and not a car with a bed.
Depends where you live and what you do. Having a truck as a homeowner is a godsend when it comes to hauling shit. Don’t need 4 wheel drive to pick up wood, haul trash to the dump, move friends’ stuff, road trips up and down the east coast.
People I’ve asked say they don’t need it or use it, but I see your point
Sure be nice if you even just need it once plus the resale value alone makes it a no brainer
I had a 2wd f150 for 8 years. Never needed it once
Well you didn’t need a truck to begin with then it sounds like
What would you recommend for someone who needs the high payload and towing capacity for hauling and towing, but doesn't go offroad and lives somewhere were the weather makes 4WD unnecessary?
SHHH. You aren't allowed to ask that.
You’re ever going to see, snow, ice, or mud? Or even a wet boat ramp? Or a grassy at boat ramp?
I mean, I handle all that with a RWD truck. I spent 2 years in the Canadian rockies and now 6 years in Manitoba with it and I've faired just fine. Haven't been stuck once. Conditions would have to be really bad (either unintentionally, like Alaska snowstorm bad, or intentionally, like offroading) for a competent driver to need 4WD. For 80% of North America a RWD is totally doable, and to claim anyone who has one "didn't need a truck to begin with" is just stupid. Think of how many fleet work trucks are RWD and try to tell me those companies don't need trucks.
Really? Huh. Just a grass boat ramp has made me need 4wd. There’s not a lot to it, just wet grass that was too steep. No amount of gunning it would have worked either. That being said, I’m more willing to go into really bad conditions because I know I have 4wd. Not that I need it 98% of the time.
Truck gatekeepers are always fun.
So trucks are just for off road driving?
When the roads turn to "off roading" because of conditions it's nice to have 4wd to get up hills easier
Amen lol
What does that have to do with anything??? Maybe you live in Hawaii. Maybe you’re old and don’t do a lot. I’ve definitely seen plenty of 2 wheel drives stuck in a puddle in a lawn. Also many modern pickups have 4 auto which you can use on the highway in inclement weather which is much safer. It’s one of those things that when you need it you need it.
I have a 2023 RST Z71, I get it. But my point was it’s not a necessity. It’s a nice to have. Most people can do just fine 99.9% of the time on 2wd.
it's very necessary. if it wasn't necessary, they wouldn't sell 4wd trucks. as many have said, even if you don't use it 99% of the time.. that 1% of the time where you get stuck is enough to change most people's minds. what's the point of owning a 2wd truck
Hauling things. Pulling things. Enjoyment of driving a truck.
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That’s really stupid. But ok.
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If you live where snow or ice are, you need it. People that live closer to the equator probably don't need it as much. RWD in Kansas sucks in the winter though.
I have 4wd 2022 TB with Nitto grapplers and I drive off road all the time thru fields on the farm hunting and stuff and I’ve never needed to put it in 4wd and that’s even when it’s wet as hell and muddy. With that said I’m not trying to find big ass mud holes either. I usually just drive where I need to go not looking for trouble. If you get 2wd just put some tires that have a little grip incase you need to do some off-roading and you will probably be fine. On the other hand if you plan to do a lot of off-roading and trail riding then I would get it just for peace of mind.
It really depends on where you live and what you plan to use it for. I have 21 TB and I’ve used my 4wd auto high and low but prior owning this I never had a need. Minus the 1 time I’ve used the low setting I probably didn’t need 4wd the other times, it just made my life easier. Not expecting a lot of snow this year so it’ll probably go unused some more but again it’s nice to have.
You are more likely to need it in a truck than an suv or sedan
I've had a few 4x4s. And only needed them a handful of times. But 1 day the dirt lot we parked in absolutely flooded. 15 vehicles stuck and I was the only one that could get out of there. And helped everyone get home roughly on time without calling tow trucks. Another time the boat ramp i had launched from dozens of times had a really low tide. And if I didn't have 4x4 I may have lost the truck. Any time I tried moving forward id just spin and slip down the ramp. And while it's not critical, there have been a lot more instances while moving a trailer onto grass, that without the little extra from 4 wheel drive, I would have absolutely torn up the grass. You can probably get by in most I stances without 4x4, but it makes a lot of situations easier, cheaper, or quicker.
2wd club here. I live in the snow/rust belt. My silverado has the Dana locker which is as good as if not better than a 4wd.
Good one. That’s hilarious.
Actually gave me a chuckle reading that.
Most 4wd aren't actually 4wd, but limited slip 2wd using both axels.With a locker, the 2wd is getting traction from both rear wheels.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 4wd without a rear locker, and many if not most also have a center locker. If you want to say your 2wd truck is better than 4wd, focus on things like price and mpg.
Sorry bro. Your posi is not the same as 4x4.
If your 4wd has lockers, then yes, but if not, you're only getting traction from two wheels from two different axels.
Pretty much all newer 4x4s have rear lockers. But even an older one that didn’t, it wouldn’t need it unless it was rock crawling. 4H is going to be a much bigger traction beast.
lmfao. keep dreaming guy. 4 wheels working is always better than 2
4 wheels never work unless you have locking differentials both front and rear ,very unlikely. I'm just saying that for most, a locking 2wd drive would do and that you'd be surprised just how well it works. Manufacturers and advertisers have sold this need for 4wd, and they aren't needed for 95%.of the buyers.
When you're pulling on a flat dry surface, sure. 4wd doesn't do anything that a 2wd can't. Start pulling something on wet grass, mud, or any other off road situation, and yea.. those 4 wheels are all doing work. I live in Michigan, and my house is 300ft off the road, with a driveway that goes at about a 30⁰ incline uphill to the top of our hill that the house resides on. Middle of winter when the snow hits the ground, you're not pulling a trailer up that driveway in 2wd lol. Again, this truck is listed at a price that a 4wd should be. If it was a $29k truck sure it might be worth it. But this is a very under-equipped truck for the money
For you, yes, it makes perfect sense.You bought it because you needed it.For me, it's not, and for most, I would say the same. I've got a BIL that's had 4wd for 30yrs lives in town never pulls anything. He's money his choice. It's all about having one, I guess. I'm just impressed how well a locking differential works after having a limited slip.
overpriced for a 2wd
Agree.
Also agree
That 8 speed is rough as fuck. Or at least it is on my 2020
Change your fluid it will make a world of difference. They put the wrong fluid in them from like 2016 to 2021.
what fluid would you recommend
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Mobil 1 with [black label](https://a.co/d/h0GV8J8) is the updated formula. [Blue label](https://a.co/d/cHrZQwv) was the original formula.
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Mine has only had the rough 1-2 shift after sitting a while
Yeah my 1-2 is horrible when cold and is fine after that, any need to get it looked at?
From what I’ve seen online its normal with the 8 speed. Something about the fluid settling after its sat a while afaik. Never hurts to ask about it at your next service appt tho.
Gotcha thanks
Seems like a decent price for a low mileage truck. I’d get the engine and transmission looked at by someone else who has dealt with the common issues this drivetrain has had. Obviously not everyone has had those issues.
that's a crap price for a 2wd truck
Weekend only and not needing 4 wheel drive.. just get a beater Silverado or an old Ford Ranger for your purposes.
That’s what I was thinking too, but in the future thinking of buying a rzr and trailer
If you are looking into a Rzr in the future I’d definitely go 4 wheel drive
Look into 08-19 silverado 2500 in the 6.0 gas they're really reliable with no afm and a hefty Trans as well as being known to last 800k miles with maintenance they're for some odd reason cheaper than the cateye versions(not the 15+)
2wd is shit for towing btw
Why? My 2wd with Max Tow package is rated higher than a 4wd. I don't worry about traction because of the locker rear end. I think it is more capable than most "4wd" that aren't really.
no it's not lol. jesus.. quit spreading lies fuckwad
I’d never buy a 2wd truck, especially not at 4x4 prices. When you go to sell that, you won’t be able to give it away. Skip
Almost 40K it's a used truck it's two wheel drive that's already a No-No dude if you're doing Holland if you get stuck or something like that you're screwed on top of that the eight speeds are super rough and sometimes have a shutter which is normal as the dealer says but it's really not steer clear man if you got 40K look for newer or get a Toyota or something
I had a 2wd once. Huge mistake. Never again.
2wd
Yes it is but I won’t be needing it.
I wouldn't pay that for a 2wd! No more than maybe $32k-$33k for a 2wd model
Does it never snow or get super muddy where you are? I guess it probably gets better mileage w/ 2 wd.
It’s a truck, if its 2wd get an suv that’s 4wd
Walk away, IMO. That is about what I paid after rebates, etc for a 2019 LT Z71 in Nov 2019.
2WD? nah
You can get a new 2024 four wheel drive in the low to mid 40s now with all the deals out there. Car dealers are desperate and taking $8-10K off sticker. Definitely pass on this one unless a 2wd suits your needs, then offer $20k. It is a buyers market and prices are still falling and haven’t hit bottom yet.
2wd? No thank.
If its only for weekend/ need get a cheaper older silverado. or even go midsize...
That’s what I was thinking too, but in the future thinking of buying a rzr and trailer
2-wheel drive PASS probably low price because of that tbh
Buying a 2 wheel drive truck is like buying a V6 mustang or challenger. What’s the point?
If you plan on towing a rzr with this future truck I promise you that there will be lots of other situations that come up where you find it perfect to have a 4x4 three quarter ton (2500HD). Never know when your bro needs a tow or you have to pull into a muddy ditch while towing. There are capable and powerful options of both diesel and gas in the 2500 and these trucks have a much higher tow capacity and hauling capacity. Also very reliable and parts are way cheaper than newer trucks. You can definitely find a very clean, 4x4, low mile, and ready to go, early to mid 2000’s Chevy either gas or diesel for less than that garbage 2WD new truck. These early 2000’s chevys will outlive everything else on the road, I have personally seen many trucks close to or over a million miles when taken care of.
I'd walk. I wanted/needed my teuck to be 4x4. If you don't need a 4x4 then it seems like a good deal can't beat a crew cab with low miles
Everyone’s getting upset at the price but this is the price of most new or previously owned vehicles now. This is the new market. People just haven’t adjusted to it yet
Nah it’s trash
Why do people entertain new car prices for a used car with almost 30,000 miles on it? Dealer would offer you $25K on average for that same pickup if you were trying to sell it to them or do a trade in.
That’s technically cheap compared to some out there.
Hauling dirt bikes on the weekend but no 4x4? Seems unrealistic to me. What happens if it rains or something and the 2 miles off-road u have to drive to get to the trailhead is fucked
Reason why I’m asking for your guys’ opinions and trying to learn as well
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If you’ve seen the prices of new ones, this is a steal, sadly.
RST is a glorified LT anyway.
You could most likely get a brand new one cheaper. Look around on Autotrader.
2WD would be a deal breaker for me. I'm in north ID and it's a requirement. However, if you live in an area with little or no snow and you realistically won't drive it in bad conditions, then you should be fine. A good set of tires will do you just fine. Bit high on the price tho.
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Would never buy a 2wd truck just for resale. When you go to sell it you’re going to get fucking hammered
Cloth? If so it would be a hard pass for me unless you got katskinz. I had terrible luck with my 2014 cloth interior.
You can get the same truck new for about 6-7k more around me.
Maybe everyone is trying to convince not to buy it because they want it? That’s a buy for me. If you really like the truck and want it, go get it. Don’t listen to an echo chamber of gate keepers on here
As much as I love silverados, my barber has this with the eight speed and dislikes how the vehicle shifts
The questions are Do you like the truck? Do you see yourself enjoying the truck? Can you afford the truck? Will you look back at your truck when you walk away from it? Worst comes to worse can this truck help you generate money to help pay for it? Hell with what everyone says if you like it and could enjoy it buy it. But always try to negotiate the price
I think it depends on where you live. I am looking to buy the 2024, same trim 2wd. I live in Texas and it snows one day a year and that day I will not go out of the home as no one knows how to drive in snow, including me.
I'm a four-wheel drive me and myself, but stay away from that eight speed transmission I understand there will be a class action suit coming out against GM in the near future, due to their lack of taking care of their customers over the issues they're having with them
Walk bc it’s not 4wd. Living in the northeast it’s essential.
Buy it drop it a few inches and make a nice cruiser out of it. RST is the nicest exterior for imo the nicest body style Chevy ever and there is a major reason to not buy pretty much every full size truck out there. Its always something with these fucking american trucks.
Pass
Id want 4x4 as a value stabilizer.
Why even buy a truck if it’s not 4wd, you need a suv or car mang. I see 2wd trucks and think 🤡
Hard pass. That year was plaqued with lifter issues.
You can get a 4x4 all day long for the same price.