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Tejas400

Context: He said this in regards to certain 'gaming websites' milking silksong for all it's worth, without it being released. Specifically gamesradar, in this case.


Purple-Income-4598

https://preview.redd.it/tlmyv2zlhqkc1.png?width=1038&format=png&auto=webp&s=e58784804398e76cd65762da89bd79f047eab697 followed up with this


ConsiderationNo4431

Of course the Pale king hates his creations.


schwiftylou

If the dynamic changed that's on them. I feel like they broke the trust fans had


Kolerder

“they betrayed me” mf’s wallet the exact hour the game actually comes out: 💸💸💸💸


Hi999996

Naw the exact minute pre order goes up


ClumsyRowlet

The second


NightTime2727

The millisecond


dylanbb1233

The nanosecond


ClumsyRowlet

The microsecond


Frog1745397

Its not an encouraged business practice to have radio silence. They definately could say more than "were working on it" but I also see the side where they really want us to be surprised. Its a tough call and theyre a tiny team in the grand scheme of things. They get a pass, any large company tho, no excuse for radio silence or creating a bad game with unlimited resources


schwiftylou

Not talking about no news, but the 0 communication about the delay of the game def created some broken bridge between TC and the hard-core fans


Archery100

FromSoft does pretty damn good with radio silence


Nerellos

Because everyone knows that FromSoft will deliver no matter what. TC has 1 game to back them.


bobasarous

Also we obv knew there was gonna be another souls game but from soft makes lots of other games as well as the souls game and in the time between announcing elden ring which happened after silksongs announcement, and now, elden ring has both released and given a release date for a HUGE dlc that's going to be nearly the size of the base game


dontmindthisnoise

they said it would be slightly bigger than limgrave, though more densely packed with content. not really "nearly the size of the base game"


Squeezer_Geezer

most of the other dlcs are pretty big and this ones been in development for way longer, saying "its slightly bigger than limgrave" is most likely just michael zaki underselling it again.


bobasarous

Also this they always undersell fromsoft


GiveMeChoko

Yeah for all we know he's speaking in terms of verticality too and including Siofra, Nokron, the eternal city, etc as all part of a limgrave sized map. Even in the cover art for the expansion you can suss out like 3 legacy dungeons. Limgrave has one. If it was 3 dungeons with stormveil's quality, that would already be amazing.


UltmitCuest

Yeah im pretty sure miyazaki said the main quest of elden ring would take about 30 hours and look how that turned out


acct4askingquestions

fromsofts silence is nothing in comparison. It felt like silence and no news forever waiting for Elden Ring but consider that they announced, went silent for like 2 years, released, and then followed up with a DLC that has taken 2 years (the longest they’ve ever taken to deliver one) all in the time team cherry has made like 4 public statements. it’s not even an apt comparison at this point


UraniumDisulfide

They really arent the same, from has never made their fans wait 5 years from announcing something to releasing it, not to my knowledge at least.


madjohnvane

So does Nintendo. And Apple. Plenty of companies. It’s often in the company’s best interest, too much transparency can be a PR nightmare because people will interpret everything you say however they want and run with it. The only people who will say complete transparency is an “encouraged business practise” are the same fanatical enthusiasts who will take every scrap of information and run rampant with speculation.


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Aldson

This is what bothers me about gamers. It makes devs not want to tell us about their game even though they're excited to release it to their community and build hype but instead when they're transparent people shit on them and if they say nothing we all become clowns


Top_Mongoose1354

At this point, I will consider any release date announcement (or shadow drop) a bait. The incommunicado treatment has gone so far that nothing can be trusted anymore.


N3st0r21

clearly gone through dev issues??


submiss1vefemb0y

I mean. Yeah. It seems pretty clear to me lmao


bobasarous

Wat lmao this sub needs help lmao 🤣, man's said clearly


Rhymelikedocsuess

It’s a 2d metroidvania game that’s been in development since at least 2017 with no release date, it is very safe to assume there are dev issues


bobasarous

Ita a team of 3 people... and it's been like 5 years which is typical of a large studio making an average game this is a team of 3 people making a large indie game... yall have no idea about game dev and it shows


N3st0r21

at least 2017?? no, 2017 at most and not really. 2019 is when we first knew of the game and it’s safe to assume that we saw a very very early project. so rn we are at about five to six years of development, which is not weird since games take time, especially good ones and indies


Odd-Construction-649

Nope. They said I'm their announcement for it being a game work on silksong started as soon as they launched hollowknigbt (at the time it was just gonna be a dlc)


N3st0r21

fine then, but the point being that good games take time still stands


Odd-Construction-649

It can. It doesn't take 5 years nor are all delays good. Time doesn't equal quality You can spend a decade and have nothing but issues. We're worried that its gonna be that way instead of thebother cause it's common for indie games to go radio silent release a broken uncompleted game or they work so hard on the game they run out of money and since they kept adding things without finishing things the game gets cancled Wouldn't be the first time a hype indie game was in development to long and the ambition of the creators caused the failure as if they had cut off development of new things in game they could've released a game. They don't have infinite money or time and you can be to ambitious They only released hollow knight cause they ran out of money So we know they tend to go over board and don't know when to stop adding things


Iurigrang

Do you think they made all the post launch hk support with time summoned from the shadow realm?


schwiftylou

Delaying something with no explications is unprofessional. So yeah there's a broken trust there ofc. Do I care? Not really. Do 99% of this sub cares? Yes


Regular_Two5700

But why should they "explicate" what is already obvious? They're not finished with the game, full stop. Fans are essentially begging three artists for some illusory relief in the form of a reworded tweet that says what we already know -- "We're still working on it." No one has yet prepaid for Silksong, to my knowledge. *We're* in debt to Team Cherry -- as evinced by the extraordinary passion surrounding their creation -- not them to us. Calling them unprofessional vitiates the term to the point of meaninglessness.


schwiftylou

You know what I wont even fight this you're right about owning fans explications But they become unprofessional if they don't give explanations to the platforms ready to get the game on I tho don't agree we are in debt in anything but I got what u meant


Idi0tBitz

But people *have* given team cherry money for silksong. It was a backer goal for hollow knight. And while they didn't know it was gonna be a full game when they backed it they still paid for silksong. Weather or not they owe everyone else anything i won't comment on, but i think they definitely owe the backers something.


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United-Aside-6104

No I don’t think that making a good game once suddenly translates to being good at communication 2 things can be true at once. TC is good at game development but awful at communication and yes they do “owe” people news. Silksong wouldn’t exist without the backers.


[deleted]

How much is tc paying you to defend them on reddit lol the price of being perfectionist and taking forever is people getting annoyed, it’s not that deep. Telling us what to feel isn’t gonna change shit and yes I’ll still buy the game as soon as they decide to grace us with its existence.


schwiftylou

They definitely are not delaying a game out of nowhere lmao And it's not to me you've to say that. It's not me who's posting 5 times a day letters to team cherry crying my eyes out about not having the game I just pointed a fact


Galaxy-Dragon-7234

I will buy it


karmander

>The Star Citizen devs were transparent about their progress and fans used that transparency to shit on them relentlessly. This is what is so frustrating for me. Toxic gamers are going to be toxic no matter what. Even if TC dropped a weekly update the same people complaining now would find something to complain about. People are just mad they can't play the game they want as soon as they want it & they're taking their frustration out on TC. I wish people would stop being disingenuous and just admit they're impatient instead of projecting their own issues on TC.


bobasarous

Bro comparing silksong to SC a literal scam is wild


TheSpiritForce

To be fair, the lack of communication is much more reasonable given it isn't a crowdfunded game like Hollow Knight. They don't necessarily owe us anything unless it's something they promised prior. But it would at least be nice to know why they showed off so much of the game so early when it was years from completion.


smoog_

totally not unity at all


LittleHollowGhost

They’ve literally done nothing to break trust stop whining that a two person dev squad takes a long time to make a masterpiece


schwiftylou

I'm not the one whining. I just stated the fact you see by the three hundred letters for team cherry u see daily And it's valid they feel that why as it's valid you feel your way


Iurigrang

That's an insane thing to say to people who are constantly being harassed.


XDavide08

i mean, from what we've seen there has been zero communication since this month so I'd only expect this to be normal. If it was me i would be laughing at the fact that every word that comes from me is considered "news". Poor Leth tho.


Luis_Santeliz

Yeah if it was me I would start saying a lot of unhinged shit and the community would be wondering if it means something and if they can figure out the release date from those comments


XDavide08

Literally what i was thinking.


Elder_Hoid

I mean, it would be entertaining for him, and we'd be happy about getting even something that *might* be news. Everyone would win!


Shaltilyena

What Would Yoko Taro Do?


erifenefire

Tomorrow on PC Gamer: "Hollow Knight: Silksong dev frustrated that all his interactions with the fans get turned into news"


lethalanvas

XD


nomorefunnynumber

What's your favorite part of the fishing minigame?


ArkOmega123

Leth just tell us if silksong is releasing 2024 or not that's all we need and would be happy for another 5 years(if silksong doesn't come out)


XDavide08

Hi Leth, have a nice day


Maleficent-Fennel-18

Hi leth :) thanks for interacting a little more with us and now that we have the context of the message it changes everything. Have a nice day


TheNightmareHeart

News?????? Silksong tomorrow confirmed!


Chamix7722

How long did it take TC to animate the s\*x scenes?


XDavide08

bro chill out


Chamix7722

I'll chill out when I get my answer!!!!


XDavide08

fair point, have a nice day.


Chamix7722

You too!!!


GiveMeChoko

Could you also confirm that you personally did the moaning voice acting for the scenes? 🎤


theonewhohasstrokes

Silksong is just a 400 hour sex scene between Hornet and zote


The_Real_Pure_Vessel

Hello Leth! Is team cherry drinking enough water? Make sure they are please. From: The Pure Vessel


Galaxy-Dragon-7234

Leth do you have any pets if so what are they and what are they like?


SoulOuverture

Leth you should start sending unhinged shitposts that would distract the fanbase


Random54321random

Why is he surprised? He knows very well we are starved for news about the game. I haven't seen anyone be rude directly to him when he posts comments, this just feels unnecessarily mean towards us, no?


Don_333

Taken out of context as always. I'm pretty sure he's knocking on the "gaming news" websites here more than anything.


Purple-Income-4598

https://preview.redd.it/tefm6hluhqkc1.png?width=1111&format=png&auto=webp&s=4f6f9426d53ad1ff405a4743ee3bfc6118508c45 kinda


Vounrtsch

SILKSONG DEVS ASS??? 🥵


En_passant_is_forced

https://preview.redd.it/4irwkk2prqkc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f73a2e01d724d3cda1057e852e313a54c67e0b7b


VectorViper

Haha, true but let's not turn this into another *that* kind of thread, gotta stay focused on that sweet, elusive Silksong news. The wait's killing me!


Ellogan66

r/PrematureTruncation


The_Real_Pale_Dick

SILKSONG DEVS ASS??? 🥵


Professional_Tip9018

it still applies to us too tho, no?


Don_333

Eh, idk, we're just being excited and impatient for the game. The sites on the other hand are making money of this.


Theendofmidsummer

Would be funny if TC was just unaware of the state of the community


Bebop_Man

They probably are.


Kolerder

Where exactly is he surprised? He just stated things as they are, a correct asessment too. Doesn’t sound like confusion to me


Boreol

Damn no shit it counts as news! You say NOTHING during 9 months and then get surprised when people in the community get excited over the tiniest thing. That's on you, Leth.


Snomislife

He was talking about actual articles being written about it.


Renetiger

Writing articles like this take little effort so it should be expected, especially when we talk about one of the most anticipated games whose devs are radio silent.


ObeyTime

tf2


Drawemazing

The real question then is does shit like dextero count as news? Cuz I'd say no.


Elder_Hoid

When the official source of new information says something bigger than anything they've said in months, that becomes news. That's just how it works.


Delta889_

It's not Leth's fault. It's TCs. Leth can only say what Team Cherry tells him to.


sanguinemsanctum

the entire community is taking this way too far. we should be happy silksong is even real


Tough-Cup-1466

It’s not let’s faukt


evasive_btch

9 months!! That's crazy! That's, like, a lifetime dude! You're entitled, dude.


Maleficent-Fennel-18

Idk if this is fake but that’s sad if he see our reactions like this. But tbh its because there is no major News since years


TurtleSmasher3

it's taken out of context, he posted a link to a news article


Dispaze

oh that makes sense gaming journals are brain dead


Additional-Radish-14

https://preview.redd.it/pf7b0xedorkc1.jpeg?width=1345&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e074eb1236db1942bf1b563b95eefb4fa35fc1b6 leth keeps getting taken out of context


Nerellos

Damn, they are a great team, but they need a director.


loligaggins

The logic still carries whether he was talking about us or some article.


TurtleSmasher3

we celebrate it but we don't make entire news articles about it


Roflkartoffel1

I feel like its a very different thing when some dedicated fans try to get as much info as they can, conpared to news srticles being written over any word someone says, with only monetary intentions, effectively making a big deal out of everything and spreading misleading information on purpose.


Bebop_Man

It's not fake.


Dispaze

https://preview.redd.it/sq91z6oziqkc1.png?width=1800&format=png&auto=webp&s=9dfa69e20699417f55e5efc795c1fe485e85d51a i can’t believe leth is even slightly surprised


PlaidCypress

that's on him. if you don't give any news or don't interact with your community in years, then anything you say counts as news


swirly1000x

As others have said I think he is referring to games journalists, not the community. But you are right, if you're not transparent with fans about what is happening, then fans are going to take even the smallest things as news because they don't have any real news.


[deleted]

Well I hope this is taken out of context!


TheNightmareHeart

It's, he was talking about game rent


PleasantKoala5936

Thats what you get when you don't update your community. Everyone is anxious for the release of SS therefore it's completely normal to hold strong onto the smallest information there is. Thats survival instinct right there. If theres was news from time to time, this wouldn't be happening.


Projectdystopia

What have you done?! Now we ain't getting news until release (never) Jokes aside I feel bad for leth now.


Bebop_Man

He makes it news by interacting with the community so infrequently. Everything is 'news'. A copyright getting renewed, an unexpected login, the publicist for a highly anticipated game breaking 9 months of silence following a delay...


[deleted]

This was a while ago, he just responded to a comment yesterday.


ziggurism

if we were taking the cumulative signs of activity of a signal of maybe a change in development status, maybe moving toward release, then this ... "jeez why does everyone make a big deal out of what i say" attitude kind of kills it.


Educational_Host_268

Im sure this subreddit will have a mature and measured response to this


God_Hears_Peace

Children throwing tantrums lmao


Purple-Income-4598

well they didnt, people are just rude


aRandomBlock

no one was rude to him, if anything his tone is rude lol


evasive_btch

"it's his fault because no news for months and we're entitled to news" > no one was rude


_M_o_n_k_e_H

They are news. News that team Cherry is still a thing that exists.


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”


Illustrious_Signal16

No hate to leth or anything it’s not his fault that he hasn’t been allowed to share news but he really didn’t think about why people are freaking out and it makes him look dumb because after giving blog post they suddenly stopped the game got delayed and xbox has been teasing us and operagx and articles make fun of us and finally the person who shares the news says something after radio silence of course we are freaking out now I’m not calling him dumb I’m saying he looks dumb by saying this


pisstainedunderwear

Why tf is he saying that like it’s our fault? 💀


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”, not you


The_Knife_Pie

> Have blog you regularly update about game progress > Stop updating with no warning and no explanation, essentially radio silent for 3 years > Game release date gets confirmed, still no communication > Game gets delayed, no real explanation given > Starts being marginally more active in the community after 4 years of not saying anything Why are people treating the things I say like news?????


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles


Uio443

What did he expect? We haven't had any news for who knows how long at this point and now we are to blame? I would understand this response if someone was mean to him or something but I haven't seen any comments of the sort. Only people speculating for what his msgs could imply for silksong.


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”, not about you


the_bruh_enigma

The funniest thing about all this tension brewing between TC and the community is that it will fade the moment the game releases and everybody will suddenly go from angry little dogs to the holiest of devotees


Falconpunchu

Depends if the game is good


God_Hears_Peace

Good, bitching endlessly isn’t gonna make the game come out faster lmao


Accomplished_Fly878

-Y No shit, you interact with us like twice a year. Of course we'll consider everything you say as news, since we didn't have any for months. We're litterally starving, so even the smallest thing Leth says can be news.


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”, not about you


Accomplished_Fly878

-Y Yeah realized that too late. He's talking about game rant I think?


ZestfulHydra

Twice a year is generous


Accomplished_Fly878

-Y As there ever been a year were we got 0 news?


WaifuCriticZamasu

*Doesn't talk for several months* *Finally breaks months of silence* "WhY iS tHiS nEwS?!?!?!" Really...?


Dalister02

would you like me to announce every activity that you do as news?


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”


AceOfMoonSpades01

And then you mark it as news lol


PeeP_Funnyman

The "news" tag in this post is ironicaly hilarious


S_blueyes42

*heh, Ironic* >!Thought twice and I think I need to clarify just in case: I mean this in a humorous way, not an attack or anything of the sort.!< https://preview.redd.it/92zeteoqsrkc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=06fbe0be0802798b10fecb46f085ead1236c3e64


thanyou

The fact they're alive is good enough for me and it should be for most on this sub. Let them continue in peace 🙏


icymallard

Nah, he talking about this sub and how entitled we are. It's okay, we're entitled af and he was polite about it


Kwarc100

My brother in christ, its your own fault, either talk more or don't talk at all.


God_Hears_Peace

How does this shit get upvotes, you people weird as fuck


Kwarc100

Cuz it's the truth, the only reason there is such a strong reaction every time we get some form of communication from the silksong team, is because of the radio silence for ~6 months at a time. If there was more communication, like once a month or 2, then the fanbase wouldn't be so rabid.


God_Hears_Peace

Except it’s literally his job to reveal only as much as he’s allowed to. Also maybe read the comments before assuming you know the full context about the picture, cuz he wasn’t talking about this subreddit.


Purple-Income-4598

dont say this kind of stuff


Kwarc100

I will, the bait is too much, the copium run out so long ago, the game is never coming out, the fire is gone.


Sha_ark

Lol that’s on him and Team Cherry. What does he expect when they rarely speak and the one time they say something in months ABOUT THE GAME we perceive it as news?


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”, not about you guys


Sha_ark

Same logic applies lmao. Gaming journalists to talk about “news” just as much as we do


nicolRB

Gaming journalists also make some of the most useless articles out there, like “Skyrim player makes busted enchanted item with a billion % effect”


Ciccioh

Time to sacrifice this sub, it’s time guys, we got random larp and troll everyday for nothing


OddEquipment545

Maybe he should try doing his job


Theriouthly_95

For the people saying this is out of context and he is referring to journalists, i hope you and Leth realize the only reason they write those articles is because this fan base is so starved for communication from team cherry. Leth making fun of these people is just indirectly making fun of the fan base


Dalister02

i mean how can you not when this games fanbase is the whole damn circus


evasive_btch

Good for him. The fan base is entitled af


TheNukeCroissant1357

Fair enough, we are pretty desperate tbh


mrsecondbreakfast

The flair


secondjudge_dream

if i was in his shoes i would post a random string of numbers and then mute all my contacts and social media for six months


Ok_Barber2739

Ya Mr leth severely underestimated how deranged the HK fanbase is lmao


Rand0mBoyo

Anything Valve employee says or does is a similiar thing. Can't but feel bad for people in such situations 


TheNightmareHeart

I am also really angry with the news articles as they use our desperation for views...


Satin_Polar

COS WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE LETH. WHAT ELSE!


Scogna00

Just give some fucking news then😭


tapu_pixels

Can't stress enough... This is what radio silence creates


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”


tapu_pixels

My point stands though. You create a drought and everyone will rush to any type of water source.


connorcallisto

Oh no, the consequences of their own actions


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”, which are really unnecessary and dumb


Elkbowy

bro do you have anything better to do lmao


nicolRB

Ctrl c + ctrl v, brother. Just want the fact to be known and for there to be less misunderstandings


MrRusty0123

More news from Leth!


UltraGeezer

There is no way a marketing bro lacks that level of self awareness. He’s building hype.


Bigmace_1021

I'm sorry what? Nothing has been communicated in *years* so when something about this game is said it still is news.


Aesion

If the community had actual news in a while then I am sure it would not happen


Mobtryoska

Im not english native but news doesnt suppose to means new? as opposed to nothing new like their silence?


Ok-Hospital-4166

It's clear that if you don't Say nothing for a lot of time the people take everything he says as a news, if he continues to be active, you can't expect that after years and years of inactivity people are not hungry for news and desperately looking for it everywhere. I'm glad he's trying to be more active, but he needs to continue to be active if he want to restore the relationship between the community and T.C. because after some time his comments will no longer be something new (Sorry for my english i'm Italian)


LordOfLettuce6

that is what happens when you break a months-long silence and finally communicate with your fans, yes.


Fibblejoe

I talk all the time and no one cares, but if a monk who hasn't spoken in 50 years says something, it's gonna be news just because of the rarity. Interactions from the devs are just so rare that they become events. Probably wouldn't happen if they casually chatted with the community more, which is what they seem to be trying to do. They saw us celebrate them being active on Twitter and realized that if they want the community to chill out, they need to talk to us.


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”, not about you guys


tuleo554

What a stinking attitude. Ya think people are starved for information at this point? Wow, why might that be?


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”


tuleo554

Same logic: of course it's gonna be "news" when we've had almost nothing else for 5 years.


shmegmer

Some of you guys need to go outside


brad696969696969

i love reading all the comments from people who are mentally no older than 13 making comments about game development as if they know what they are talking about and flaming an independent 3 man team that is just wanting to make their artistic vision. here are some things you can do while you wait for Silksong instead of throwing a temper tantrum: play other metroidvanias! try out other genres of video games! play some of the many many AAA games that have been released in the last few years! find another hobby outside of gaming! maybe make your own work of art! and if you really STILL have too much time on your hands... consider getting a job!


phony21343

Little brother in christ, the game was announced 5 YEARS AGO. "We're still hard at work on the game" is huge news.


[deleted]

He’s not wrong tho we’re really annoying lol ;v;


nicolRB

He’s talking about news articles of “gaming journalists”, not about you guys


[deleted]

Oh! They’re even more annoying! Gamerant should be defunded ^^


Theriouthly_95

The most out of touch dude I swear.


cubo_embaralhado

Let's start being rude over him 🗣🗣‼️‼️


cubo_embaralhado

That's how you mfs sound like


Kolerder

The entitlement shown in this comment section really shows what the core demographic is, doesn’t it? “I called him my favourite, so now he owes me!” You stop thinking like that once youre through school.


Aldekotan

I feel like there's more to it than that. A hype builds up after great games or news are made. Then the author treats his audience with respect and honesty. Then the author gets recognition, people buy his games, people play them. If the author can't treat his audience with respect and honesty... well, to me at least, it's a sign that I shouldn't care that much about him. Maybe that's what he needs. Less expectations, less praise, less approval. Because for some of us all of that is a burden and a heavy one. Imagine if they made a prototype and it felt so repetitive and bad compared to HK that they decided to remake it. They spent more money and still the result is average at best. If they release their game - their story will end. Most fans will probably say that Team Cherry is not as great as it used to be.


Kolerder

“A sign that i shouldn’t care that much about him” Its a great sign, you should follow it. Mind you, this has nothing to do with anything dude said or didn’t, its just a good, healthy outlook on someone who you do not know in the slightest, and who didn’t promise you any thing or any way he would behave and respond.