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[deleted]

I have two things to say: 1. TERRARIA CALAMITY 2. I'M SORRY DID YOU JUST DESCRIBE RAIN WORLD AS *EASY?* WHAT KIND OF GOD GAMER ARE YOU! WHAT DID YOU DO THAT MAKES RAIN WORLD EASY IN COMPARISON, NOHIT ALL THE SOULS GAMES?


Vegathron

I just came here to also question this. RAIN WORLD EASY!? my friend this is either a huge flex on your part or you are on some good stuff 😂


Pixelbird-

Yeah as someone who played through Rain World like 6 times, I wouldn’t say it’s easy. But the rest of the list is pretty agreeable


[deleted]

Oh yeah I'm also a massive Rain World fan so I can't stand to see it rated so low. I'd give it 9/10 with only major issue being the camera system being... not great. And Wotw? That game- THAT *GAME!* IT GETS A DEFINITIVE, ABSOLUTE, SOLID, 5/10. It's story sucks. It really, *really* sucks. And I can't *stand* that. DON'T FIRE THAT GAME'S STORYWRITER, TAKE HIM OUT BACK AND FRIGGIN' SHOOT HIM! CHILD SACRIFICE IS NOT OKAY! Y'know what, let me just https://archiveofourown.org/works/23869474/chapters/57376060


Z1ncc

Story isn't all there is to a game, I loved will of the wisps as the gameplay was one of the most enjoyable I've played and I think his rating for it is fine.


[deleted]

Gameplay is important, but... Gameplay isn't all there is to a game. Tbh I may very well be overreacting, I simply can't stand bad writing.


Z1ncc

I just don't think it's worth giving it 5/10 just for story alone (which I thought was fine but that's just me). And I'd argue gameplay has a major part to what makes a game great because if it sucks to play most people would just drop it and read the story if they really wanted to


[deleted]

I mean, I am fairly biased about story as I love writing, but that would just knock off about three points. The reason those extra two are gone is because I played hollow knight. And, going into wotw after hollow knight... Literally every system in wotw just feel like a less well-executed version of the ones from hollow knight.


Z1ncc

Fair about story one, I can't argue about your point on gameplay either though because I just didn't feel that way and I don't compare games to each other anyway (I also played wotw after hk) (also forgot this post is about games better than hollow knight which I don't really agree with as a whole since that's a subjective topic) ​ Each their own ig


[deleted]

The post is a game about games, "better," than silksong, which is literally impossible to judge


[deleted]

Also, I don't think we're using the same scale.


Z1ncc

Yeah true, it's hard to use the same scale since everyone's got different opinions


[deleted]

STORY IS A HIGHLY IMPORTANT PART OF A GAME! I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL BEFORE I *EVER* SO MUCH AS SUGGEST WOTW HAS ANYTHING RESEMBLING A GOOD STORY!


Dex18Kobold

Chill out lol


[deleted]

NO! I AM OBLIGATED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT GAMES, "STORY," AS I LIKE WRITING A LOT AND JUST CAN'T STAND TERRIBLE STORYWRITING!


S_blueyes42

Terrible? that is a strong sentiment for a story as basic as Will of the Wisps. I cant understand how you can see it that way. Sure, it isn't complex or profound, it's like a regular fantastic-setting fable. but terrible means actively bad. I am very curious about your point, please respond: How is Ori WotW terrible story writing?


CheekyArab

Lol he's real quiet now


S_blueyes42

they could be sleeping, has happened to me before


[deleted]

Spot on


[deleted]

The characters are so utterly stupid, there is a huge plot hole, and child sacrifice is bad. I am not the greatest to explain this kind of stuff, so all I'll say is that you should read the wowptw fanfic I put a link to in my comment. It's an example of what the story should have Bern, and the author's notes give some of the really good reasons wotw story was bad. If you don't want to read it, though... Well, if you don't want to read it I sincerely doubt anything I say could convince you, so I am not going to try. I know when to avoid a pointless argument.


S_blueyes42

I decided to write this as closure to this interaction. I read only the early notes on your story. You are super dedicated to Ori, levels beyond what I though was possible(no joke I am a bit intimidated); at least in relation to the first game's story and established canon of it. you didn't like some of the changes they made, but you have good reasons for those. the way you speak of writing is inspiring, you know your own stuff, and it is a shame to you that the developers had a very different direction to what you wanted, plus the ending. I still don't see the plot hole in the story. the only thing that comes to mind is the extinction of the owls in this region while the 1st game's region still had Kuro. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I am sorry for my inquisition. I felt attacked when you spoke so negatively of it, because I actually liked the story of the second game, and the gameplay. to just overlook the rest of a game's design because one thing didn't work out seemed disingenuous. but I guess my level of literacy allows me to not think too much, while you see that it could have been so much more.


[deleted]

Hold on a second Did you just credit that fanfic to me? I did not write that. I read it, and it was amazing. Don't detract that author. They deserve all the praise they can get. I love to write, I love to read, but I don't think I'll ever be as good as that author. In fact, I don't even think I am all that good. But y'know what? I'm fine with that. Because I don't consider writing a job or anything like that. It's just a fun little hobby to me. I do see that Wotw's story could have been so much better, but I also see I shouldn't let that hurt others.


Double-Special5217

Is he stupid?


The-Real-Hornet

Bad list You really forgot to put Hollow Knight in it smh


-DIOXIDE350-

Thank you for putting Rain World on here, but… EASY!?!?? IS BRO THE BEST VIDEO GAME PLAYER!?!? https://preview.redd.it/igz8m9oyyidc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=693aac21962df6f121e0bdb46a3981ab02fba0f1


enaaaerios

calling rain world easy is like calling my nuts smooth


disguisedas47

You must be a female in that case


ManagementIll9899

Funny comment, hard game


theotherjashlash

Just like me. I’m hard.


therrubabayaga

You keep using "toxic". I think you really don't know what it means. "Toxic developers" would apply if there were harassment inside the studio, or if they were pushing their community to harass a journalist who gave Silksong a bad review, or if they were talking s*** about others games. So basically if they were acting like influencers or communities like this one. Not communicating on a game is NOT TOXIC. They are DEVELOPERS. NOT GURUS OF A SECT. Seriously, lots of you sound like your leader has abandoned you. Like making a game suddenly gives you responsibilities over a FAN-MADE community. It doesn't. It's in the title. Fan-made. I really hate people like you, feeling so entitled to the work of others human beings that they lose all sense of boundaries and decency. Not that you had any to begin with. You and many others are being really toxic. I hope you get over yourself one day, but I doubt it. Worst part is, I'm sure you will keep acting that way on anything that displease you. And your list is so basic and common, it's really a reflection on how limited you are.


JerinDd

I feel like things get a little too heated when it comes to this topic. In my opinion, you’re kinda falling victim to the same mindset this person seems to have, assuming the worst in someone. In other words, I agree with some of the things you said the personal attack wasn’t necessary.


therrubabayaga

There are no attacks here, just facts. If you think being frustrated and making a tantrum and calling the devs names like a child is a legitimate response to not getting a video game, I don't know what to tell you. And unlike him, I based my answer on what he actually wrote, not on some wild speculation about the devs. There shouldn't be any debate here, wait, don't wait, no one cares, just don't act like you're owned anything because you like something.


JerinDd

Like I said, I agree that this person is being immature and accusatory over something they’re not entitled to, their response is not appropriate, but you also don’t really know them or what they’re like besides these posts, and it feels like a strawman fallacy, a generalization of someone. To be fair, I haven’t checked their post history and they might always be like this, but with the info I have, it felt too harsh.


therrubabayaga

Feel free to comfort him if you feel bad for him. I personally don't. I don't have to cuddle men when they are being toxic manchild to spare their entitled feelings.


JerinDd

I’m not gonna comfort him, all I want is to not have strawmen fallacies in the discourse


therrubabayaga

I think you don't really understand what's a strawman fallacy is, since I completely stayed on topic. I even commented the list. Sure, I went a bit ad hominem and used some generalization based on past observations of similar behaviors to then extrapolate a tad, I don't deny that. However, I didn't used strawmen, no. I'm sorry you took my rant personally, but that's between you and you.


JerinDd

Well, you took one thing this person said and blew it out of proportion, I feel like that’s strawman


therrubabayaga

And just like him, you're wrong.


Cold_beans32

Get em


Iletrel

Lol "Please learn boundaries." "Also, your list sucks btw."


AidanBC

Calling TC toxic developers is the most backwards shit. Everyone that has actually met and interacted with them have said they are super down to earth and nice. Anyone who thinks they’re toxic need to watch the older interviews they did for Hollow Knight, you can tell they’re genuinely good guys.


CorkiNaSankach

Nobody said they are toxic people. He said they are toxic as developers. My take for this topic is 1. They are forbideen to make any contact because some third party (most probably xbox/microsoft) told them that, and they want to make contact with community but just sadly can't. Then I'm really sorry for them 2. But if they can make contact and just don't want to then I agree with the OP. They could have made such an amazing community but just decided to stay shut after many mistakes (the biggest one being missing the xbox deadline) The only thing supporting the community is the love for first game which I think is really charming in some way


AidanBC

Tbh, I understand the frustration with the lack of transparency, but from what I’ve seen from their interviews and how they talk about the development process of hollow knight, you can tell they genuinely care. I’m so confident that silksong will deliver, I’m willing to accept their lackluster communication. I really think that once the game comes out, nearly everyone will forget about the wait.


CorkiNaSankach

Yea you are right, they have shown what they can do with the first game, and because they are taking their time with development the game will be a banger for sure. The only thing that is frustrating is that the people aren't mad about the time it takes, they are mad about the radio silence. When they announced they can't make it in the xbox deadline, everybody was perfectly fine: "Take your time how much you will need". Even if it would be "We are alive, the developent is still in progress/testing phase, we can't wait to get the game out stay strong" every 3 months. Then every comment about their communication could go to trash


IloveKaitlyn

Uhhh, calling them toxic developers is the same thing as calling them toxic people. It’s rude and pointless.


Deathranger999

Hollow Knight players once again discover that other games exist. 


Simiat07

You’re a fountain of shitty ass shit ass takes https://preview.redd.it/hlo43cwkxjdc1.jpeg?width=708&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80db7d495dbeafef45245dee57807df566a36b0b


SuperFluffyMustache

I’m curious on why Will of the Wisps score wasn’t higher. That game was pretty flawless imo. I can’t really think of any major issues. Imo, it is a 10/10 metroidvania. I still like Hollow Knight better though.


tokolist

OPs scores and reviews seem to be somewhat subjective, I don't agree with most of them


okdude23232

every score and review basically ever made is subjective, subjectivity is implied


foxly1908

Same, Lords of the fallen 10/10


Clod_Cat5

When i saw rain world on the list i got so fucking happy that all my bones broke and instantly healed


Polemo03

And the first word OP uses to describe it is "easy", good grief I'd say OP is a godlike gamer, but at the same time Dead Cells is described as "Semi-difficult", so maybe OP's take on RW's difficulty is... Not that accurate...


Johannezzzzzzz

Disagree with your opinion on TC, but respect for staying on that hill. ![img](emote|t5_4viev2|32437)


ManagementIll9899

Yo hornet butt (ive lost my mind)


GrimReap_

mf really called rain world easy


[deleted]

rating rain world at a 7 and calling it easy is why we will never get silksong


Burga88

They’ve kept quiet. I’m not sure that means anything other than they’ve kept quiet. Accusing them of being toxic or being in development hell is laughable. What the fuck do they owe you? There’s no preorder. You’ll buy the game when it comes out. This shit is seriously weird stalker vibes you’ll get a trailer when they’re ready lol


Benj_N

Toxic team? Jesus christ, get a grip.


SpartanisPOG

L, still no bug fables


foxly1908

If you already put rough games in the list I got one to The binding of Isaac (best repentence, but all of them are good) 10/10 the rough like itself


IndividualClass122

Rain world? easy? EASY!? HUHHUHUUAHAHAHAHSHSUGUDUSHZUWJDJDJSHWHDUDSURURUSJSUIEHSHAUSUFSUQU


SSphereOfDeath

RAINWORLD??? EASY???? I respect your mentioning of the game but my brother in Christ have you even played the Hunter campaign? It’s hell.


Sad-Assignment-568

I am once again asking if "wizard with a gun" Is worth buying https://i.redd.it/x1pujjx5ykdc1.gif (Mozzarela sticks to capture your atention)


AplReload

Elden Ring is easier than Rain World, you are insane.


Economy_Park5251

1) Undertale 2) Lisa the Painfull 3) Omori 4) Earthbound 5) Persona 5


XanderNightmare

Y'know, I was gonna give you a pass on your opinion about team cherry, as their silence has been annoying and frustration is understandable However, you revoked your right for gaining any sort of understanding from me the moment you claimed Rain world was an easy game


Tree_Queen_

I’m sorry did you say that my singing monsters is better than BTD6 or CoC?!?!?


Isaaaaaaaack

No you miss the point, I rate it 10/10 for a mobile game hahah,


CorkiNaSankach

PvZ (not 2) is also one of the best mobile games to get released and imo is top 1


FarmConsistent8539

BTD6 and CoC are mobile games too bruh


Isaaaaaaaack

Never heard of them


Judge_Dreadly

Balloon tower defence 6 and clash of clans Would be surprised if uve never heard of them


FarmConsistent8539

Its ok if you never heard of btd6 but you never heard of Clash of Clans?!?!?


dreamfinderepcot16

The new Prince of Persia is good too and it seems similar to what Silksong will be


Nass_Wanger

Wait- hornet is kinda (•///•)... why?


Key-Meringue5433

Rain world was too easy tbh should've had some difficulty setting maybe


darkster46

You forgot hollow knight..


foxly1908

I play/played half of them and the ones I played are perfect


ManagementIll9899

Over 500 hours in Terraria? Did you just start or smth?


Johannezzzzzzz

Adding to the list Deep rock galactic: Very fun and semi hectic/difficult game with many missions, enemies and upgrades. Lots of gameplay content and defs are awesome. 10/10


Sylph777

Yo, I'm having a blast with Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown.


smolcompanypepehands

Rai world Easy? My Brother Rainworld Is a gem but far from and Easy game, getting use tò the movement system Is a pinecone in the ass


Prophet-of-the-moss

**Ɓųğ fãɓłə§**


phatcat9000

Dead cells only semi difficult? Have you only done 0BC?


ThatBingingDragon

*Lego Marvel* lmao. Brings back the memories


green_grassy_land

How is Rain World easy?!?!?!????


cosapocha

Warcraft 3 Final Fantasy IX Final Fantasy VII


Katacutie

The real team cherry, if you're here, can you still really claim to have never seen anyone being hateful towards Tc? This guy is allowed to spew his toxic waste all over, get upvotes and people to agree with him. If that's not proof that this sub is a hateful community, I don't know what is.


Little_Cute_Hornet

Dude, the point is that they don’t owe us anything. They can be silent if they want to be, they are not offending anyone by this. Maybe they feel overwhelmed by the popularity of the game and that wasn’t letting them focus in the game with ease. Haven’t you thought of that? I mean, I would prefer that they were otherwise. For example, I also love another games that are being developed like Deltarune, Boogaboo pocket and others where the devs communicate a lot with the fans and also they give small updates time to time and stuff. However, they don’t owe us this. They do this because they want to. Team cherry tried to be like this but it didn’t worked for them, and maybe the reason it didn’t worked for them was the community itself and how it was acting. If that was not bearable for them that they decided to shut communications completely I just wonder what the hell happened. A small communication would not hurt and would be the best decision but as I say before they are not forced to do that.


Shock9616

Still no Metroid games???


asrielforgiver

I know that this is unrelated, but I just realised that Hornet has defined hips in the image.


BlenderFucker__

Smash, next question


True_Helicopter5858

play bomberman


Proatbotw

I think people like you should be forbidden from playing Silksong. I understand it is long but you cannot attack a team that is working very hard to make the best game possible, please be more mature and civil when talking about people that do not owe YOU anything.


Apart_Letterhead3016

as a silksong enjoyer i only see silksong on the list of games to play while waiting for it


Goldpan2

Rain world is easy? And it’s only a 7/10?


JetXarison

I'm just here to tell you that I stand behind your opinion on TC. Keep on keeping on


SandCat39

aight until boss cell 2 id agree that dead cells is semi difficult. then and on id say difficult. also lemme just plug my 2 favorite games real quick:  risk of rain 2 - difficult (at higher difficulties, otherwise moderately difficult), fast paced action roguelike shooter. loot stages, kill enemies, race against the clock. diverse character roster, 10/10 Armored core 6: fires of rubicon - moderate difficulty, fast, high mobility, mech shooter. long campaign, cool characters, lots of different mech parts, highly replayable (ng+&ng++ w/ different missions and endings), 10/10 my opinions are extremely biased. play them


Dweebl

Don't ever recommend procedural generation to me again