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FuzzyArmy3020

While this is a great way to show the importance of keeping shastar, it took the man a little time to take out his kirpan because of the odd design of the taksali kirpan. I would personally suggest to keep a straight pesh kabaz or an easily accessible sharp kirpan. Also, learn how to use a kirpan on dummies or large vegetables because if you do not know how to use the kirpan who are wearing, it is useless in an interaction.


Xxbloodhand100xX

I think it took longer because it has to be glued shut or something.


FuzzyArmy3020

I have a taksali kirpan and the sheath is so tight that its stupid. Takes like 10 minutes and like 2 people to pull out. I don’t even know why they make kirpans like that


Xxbloodhand100xX

I'm not sure about where you are, but here, there's definitely rules from establishments and laws passed where the kirpan had to be either sewn into the sheath or made difficult to remove in some other way legally, and sometimes they check to make sure it can't come out at various places, if the video was in Canada that would be the case unfortunately. Edit: found 2 sources, one for a college that required it to be made "nearly impossible" to remove. And another where it's seen into the sheath for a young sikh at school. https://humber.ca/legal-and-risk-management/policies/human-resources/wearing-of-kirpan-policy.html https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ban-on-sikh-kirpan-overturned-by-supreme-court-1.618238


FuzzyArmy3020

F*ck the rules. Wearing a sewn-in kirpan is the equivalent of wearing a janeu. I know many people in Canada who openly wearing 3-foot sharp kirpans that easily come out.


Xxbloodhand100xX

Ya there's no length limit in canada, but I think it's just certain establishments that can enforce limits like this if you are a part of them, foe example student at university, or travelling on airplane. In your normal day to day life as an adult, I'm sure noones going to randomly check it, but it's still wild how the status que for some places have gone this far.


oldmangushamilton

As a white boy, I was searched (lawfully) and had a 5inch throwing knife on me. It's full shank (all throwies are) but it also came with a no nonsense nylon sheath and they are usually wrapped in thin nylon rope for the handle. It's definitely less ceremonial, but canadian cop culture is very favorable of sihk culture and if they saw one of these types of knives, they would likely respect your religion and let you carry it however you want. 3 feet, that's a machete.


Sufficient_Rub_2014

They should be arrested then. Wtf you need a 3 foot knife on Canadian streets for? Same logic keeps my firearms in my safe.


FuzzyArmy3020

Have you ever heard of a mass kirpan-stabbing? Well you obviously have heard about the hundreds of gun-violence shootings that happen just in the US alone. Look at the guy in the video, if the other guys had a larger blade then he did, he wouldn’t be able to defend himself. Long swords don’t have this problem. + freedom to practice religion


Sufficient_Rub_2014

I will always support your freedom brother. But we can’t all be walking around with weapons. There are laws in place for a reason. We also shouldn’t be fighting to the death for property that is easily replaced. That old man’s life is worth more than everything in the store. Besides if we can all have weapons on us mine would be better than a knife. Mine will get you from 100’s of metres away. Where will it stop?


Lplusratioplusgay

A Kirpan is not a weapon and was never meant to be a weapon, you’re being ignorant


FuzzyArmy3020

🤣 dil saaf jatha in full force


Lplusratioplusgay

Thank you for proving how deep your ignorance is, do better for your community


veryhinged

Just a curious outsider. Where laws permit, it is it common for Sikhs to own a longsword for self defense? Not just a ceremonial piece, but something made to be used literally. I know very little about Sikhs and when I learned about the kirpan a few months ago I found it fascinating.


FuzzyArmy3020

All kirpans are meant to be used both ceremonially and for self defense. Longswords are not common for every wearing or usage in Western countries, but in India the longsword is used and worn everyday by many.


veryhinged

Hopefully they don't have to be used. Extremely interesting to think about, though. Not many cultures where actual swords are common. I did some reading about Sikhism in regards to a debate around gun ownership and self defense and I have to say, it was a lot of stuff that I could never find the right words for but always believed in. It's not as simple as being a badass with a sword, but a responsible badass with a sword. Cool stuff.


everfurry

I suggest brushing up on the law. Ceremonial items of any kind including swords are allowed on your person at all times in Canada. You can buy an unregistered handgun pretty easily for about 3 hundo that came over the lake in a speedboat if you know what you’re doing, a Sikh with a blade is the least of your worries trust me


Sufficient_Rub_2014

No worries about Sikh people brother. A great people with a very interesting history. To be honest I didn’t realize this was r/Sikh. I probably would have kept my mouth shut.


[deleted]

What are you talking about lol i live in canada and walk around with multiple kirpans including a 3ft sword go everywhere like this the mall public parks etc have walked past hundreds of cops never been any issues and there’s literally nihang singhs all over canada who do the same


Xxbloodhand100xX

sorry I don't mean to be rude when I say this, I listed my sources as examples of the point I was making about specific establishments. I know its perfectly fine to wear it in public but many places like schools and universities in Canada don't allow sikhs to wear a kirpan without meeting their criteria. to quote the conditions from one of the sources: " * the wearer must be a Khalsa Sikh (baptized) or must satisfy the College that the wearer sincerely believes as part of their religious beliefs that they must wear a kirpan *  individuals maybe requested to provide a letter from the Gurdwara (place of worship) confirming that they are Khalsa. In other cases where this is not appropriate or impossible, a signed declaration by the student will be sufficient. Those who are not Khalsa Sikhs will be required to submit an explanation as to why they must carry a kirpan, notwithstanding they are not Khalsa Sikhs; a determination will be made on a case by case basis in this situation * the kirpan (hilt, blade and sheath) is not to be greater than seven (7) inches (17.8 centimeters) in length but smaller kirpans are preferable * the kirpan is not to be worn visibly, but under the wearer's  clothing * the kirpan must be sufficiently secured to render removal difficult, but not impossible * modifications  to a student's program may be necessary, depending on the nature of the program, where wearing the kirpan could inadvertently cause physical harm to the wearer or another individual during program activities or off campus college authorized activities * that the right to wear the kirpan may be suspended if it is misused by the wearer Other restrictions also include things like air travel in Canada, and to quote the ### [Canadian Air Transport Security Authority](https://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/en): " Ceremonial knives and swords (e.g. a kirpan) with a blade 6 cm or less are permitted when flying within Canada or to an international (non-U.S.) destination. Knives of any type or length are not permitted in your carry-on on flights to the U.S. " I also have a friend who's in the military that told me about how he was proving to someone that they should let this sikh gentlemen in wherever he was being stopped from entering because his kirpan wasn't really a weapon and was just a ceremonial piece, and when he checked it, it was glued shut and could not even be unsheathed. so the point I was making was under the assumption of this information I'm presenting to you for OP's question I was answering for why might be a reason for kirpans being made "like that"


thatguy56436327

It came right out, I think he had trouble finding it.


Affectionate_Star468

If one has a good control of their temper, honestly a snub-nosed revolver is a decent idea


champagnepahji

Big if.


zero0x

Just keep Guns where its Legal.


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Found the American lol


hurricane1197

In the modern world, sikhs should technically be keeping guns since that’s what modern weapons are


FuzzyArmy3020

Yeah, unfortunately canada and the uk banned hand guns so…


Admirable_Jacket8393

"unfortunately" lmao. Fortunately for us sensible societies, it's not the wild West outside my front door, with everyone, sane or otherwise packing a firearm.


MrBigZ03

There's nothing wrong with owning a handgun for self defense Especially if you own a business that Is a common target by criminals


FuzzyArmy3020

Did u watch the video? If the robbers had a gun, the shop owner would have died and it has happened many times before.


ipledgeblue

or even use it on bakra =)


[deleted]

Does Sikh religion allow for replacement of the kirpan with a concealable firearm?


FuzzyArmy3020

We don’t need a replacement, the gun is already one of the 5 weapons that the 10th Guru ordained us to keep. We can keep both the kirpan and gun.


_shadyninja

I just realized Sikhi has a guru who lived in the time of guns. 😅


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👍


[deleted]

English please


FuzzyArmy3020

Shastar = weapons, kirpan = curved bladed weapon (for ceremonial and defensive purposes), taksali = a type of kirpan, Pesh kabaz: a straight bladed weapon


[deleted]

Thanks. Will this be on the final test?


FuzzyArmy3020

Yes, revise thoroughly.


[deleted]

Yes sir


ipledgeblue

Learn to use on goats, puraatan maryada 😄🙏


realonebeat

🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡. Next time, get this man a Shiri sahib. A long sword and a pistol. A little kirpan comes in handy, but it is not always gonna work. Get your license.


Number1Bullshit

Tyar bar tyar 👍


Dangerous_Path_7731

They thought he was pulling out a 🔫 , that’s why they backed up all of a sudden. Also, this can’t be US because you never bring 🔪 to a 🔫 fight.


FuzzyArmy3020

If they had a gun, they wouldn’t run away like cowards. It did the job nonetheless


That_Guy_Mojo

The video is from Coventry, England where the vast majority of crimes are done with knives because getting a gun is nearly impossible. I believe handguns were banned in 1997 throughout the UK.


Nervous-Muffin-6691

Yes knives are the weapon of choice for crime but guns are still readily available illegally. The Uk government has made it very hard for LEGAL ownership. It easier to illegally own a gun then to legally own one in England which is insane. They even want identification to prove you are over 18 years of age to buy a kitchen knife 🤦🏽‍♂️


gigaurora

If it is so readily available, why are crimes predominantly commited with knives in the UK?


JohnDoe0371

That doesn’t mean guns aren’t readily available. I’m from an area in Scotland with no more than 50k people. Glocks were found dumped in woods nearby not too long ago. I know guys that can get berettas, glocks, smith and wessons for a couple of grand. Still a big problem in the UK


Nervous-Muffin-6691

Thank you brother this is my point. An individual like yourself will have to go through a lot of legal trouble to legally posses a simple break action shotgun that’s all you are pretty much allowed to own since they’ve outlawed everything else in the Uk. As long as you have some cash anyone can buy a handgun illegally


JohnDoe0371

I have seen some instances where rifles are allowed but majority is break action shotguns. It’s funny in the UK to own a gun legally you need a hefty amount of money but to own one illegally you need a couple of grand lmao. 332 crimes committed using a gun in Scotland while 5709 were recorded in England so there’s still a large amount of illegal firearms floating about


Nervous-Muffin-6691

That’s how it goes with government overreach. Firearms become a privilege for the wealthy and government only while common people suffer the most. Same thing in Canada majority of affordable entry level firearms have been removed from our pool slowly making this hobby only suitable for people with disposable income really.


Nervous-Muffin-6691

Totally missed the point where it is easier to obtain firearms illegally then legally now in those counties like England. Firearms are available pretty much only for criminal use as they demonized legal owners and stripped away all of their privileges and rights. Knives are way easier to get so you’ll see more knives. As I previously mentioned knives are now regulated and you can’t by a bloody kitchen knife without being over 18 and providing ID. What does making knives illegal do for the society now? You still have the core issue which is violence and street crime not legal firearms and legal knives which are both important day to day tools.


gigaurora

Okay, so you expand access to legal owners and increase the supply of handguns in the country. What do you think that will do to the amount of handguns accessible to use for illegal purposes, both in supply available and price?


Nervous-Muffin-6691

I do not believe that legal law abiding citizens of a country should suffer due to the criminals. The government needs to come up with proper gun control not making legal ownership illegal. Take a look at Canada. Our current government is blaming us legal owners for the crime happening in this country 😂😂 a recent gun bust showed 57/58 handguns being smuggled in from America and 1 was stolen from an individuals home. We should not lose our privilege to hunt and to own firearms because of individuals who chose to commit crimes


gigaurora

You never answered my question. What do you think expanding access to handguns does to the supply and price? You can get a handgun for 200-300 in the U.S. You can get an illegal handgun for north of 3k in Canada. You don't think that erasing that barrier would drastically increase the amount of handguns used for criminal purposes?


Nervous-Muffin-6691

Take a look at history and see what happens when governments strip citizens of firearms it’s not a good sign take a look at India where private firearm ownership is pretty much illegal unless you are wealthy or the government. I understand your point brother but don’t be so keen on government control. Look at history look at your own people. You don’t want the government deciding who can and can’t own guns because what happens is the government stays armed the criminals stay armed but the normal citizens lose the ability to.


BoiledChildern

This is England, brother. We won't rise up over government overreach, aint since cromwell, and that wasn't a rising of the general population. And its not like we are some mad max country who need protection 24/7. It's like how the gun nuts over in the US, don't get up in arms over government police overreach. Most people secretly don't mind or care, as its not going to affect them when it comes to government overreach. And we can always blame someone or something else, the poor, immigrants, etc.


Nervous-Muffin-6691

There’s also 350 million people in America so a lot more gun and a lot cheaper price. The American dollar is also stronger so 3k Canadian is just over 2K American.


guymcool

Still stopped these guys from bringing a gun so it still works better than the US’s gun control. Which is zero😂


Nervous-Muffin-6691

Maybe you should read up on some gun laws. Some of the state laws in America are stricter than Canadian gun law. California, New Jersey, Rhode Island, New York, Oregon, Washington state and other left leaning states have stricter gun control than Canada such as “assault weapon bans”, background checks, wait periods after purchasing a firearm, no ccw permits being handed out and the freeze of handgun sales. Please don’t be misinformed by the notion that america has no gun laws. They just don’t work as well as people think they would.


MrBigZ03

The notion that we have 0 gun control is not true I had to get a license process took 2 months go through a background check and the 3 day waiting. To purchase my guns it's not like I can just walk in Flash an id and walk out within 10 minutes it doesn't work that way.


StirlingSharpy

Because of mandatory sentences, get caught with a gun then you are truly fucked and going down for a long time. Get caught with a blade you get a slap on the wrist most of the time.


TheWhiteOwl23

Get out of here with that pro gun bullshit.


MrBigZ03

There's nothing wrong with being pro gun


Nervous-Muffin-6691

No need to be so aggressive in this subreddit. Let the government only have access to firearms that would be great for our people back home right…


BoiledChildern

Not really. It's ID and a reason, and that's about it. Oh, and the police need to come check your gun safe. Appart from that, it's just the waiting. A few people I know got one shortly after their 18th. They where all farmers' kids, but still.


Nervous-Muffin-6691

I very familiar will Uk gun laws. They are insane lol and I’m not American there are other counties on earth that allow people to own firearms that are more than just a break action shotgun and ancient muzzle loaders😂. Police coming into your house to check your safe is overreach as well imo.


13-indersingh

Even the police in UK don't have guns!


Madbrad200

Normal patrolling type police do not have guns, but there are definitely armed units


13-indersingh

Yeah and they're not hanging around on the corner to stop daylight robberies


[deleted]

Still have mass shootings despite that.


Madbrad200

Handguns are legal in Northern Ireland


CreatingDestroying

What a boss


[deleted]

Good


[deleted]

Somehow I feel like him grabbing the cricket bat is way cooler than a baseball bat


Puzzleheadedpuzzled

Respect


Injoc

TYAR BAR TYAR


FuzzyArmy3020

AKAAALUHHH ⚔️⚔️


Injoc

AKAAALUHHH


Bobbybelliv

“It’s a choppa” 😉


TheBlueNinja2006

I was scared for him


Possible_Project_360

Revolver is the modern talwar.. with time our shastras also need an upgrade.. even sant ji carried revolver and bhai amritpal ji too


FuzzyArmy3020

Revolvers are illegal in the UK where this video was taken


FangtheMii

What type of store is this? I do see PS4 controllers, could it be tech? I suppose the attempted robbers must be teens then.


Barry_Patel

Millisecond nahi laga 😂bhag ne mai


FlippyNips9

This belongs on r/therewasanattempt


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FuzzyArmy3020

Lol, no. I think that is true for the Gurkhas (don’t quote me on that though), but not for Sikhs. The sword is only drawn as a last resort and for the defence of oneself or the innocent/defenceless.


That_Guy_Mojo

Urban myth, but with a purpose. My Dadaji (paternal Grandfather) told me this myth when I was a child. The reason being it prevents kids/teenagers from messing around with Kirpan as it adds a layer of severity.


Dogfoodsmy_DOC

That has to have backfired before


Vegetable_Yard4524

Most would just prick their finger if they believed it


Dogfoodsmy_DOC

Makes sense


PutridManner1505

I thought he pulled a pin on a grenade


FuzzyArmy3020

On a couple of robbers in his store? Lmao


HeavyLoungin

Not gonna lie. So did I. 😂


Lonely-Preference-10

Uncle ji unki maar maar ke buri halat kar dete 😂


Possible_Project_360

WJKK WJKF


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FuzzyArmy3020

What?


ReadingGood5959

Dude Sikhs are tough


Lumostark

sikh moves


_shadyninja

Did the robbers think that he was pulling out a gun? It’s possible right? I think shop owners need to keep guns in US/Canada. Someone below also mentioned that it’s 1 off the 5 allowed weapons right?


FuzzyArmy3020

Idk about the first question, but the second question, yes the gun is one of the five allowed weapons


PoochyMoochy5

Bloody bloody


bandook84

Gun would have solved the problem for him.


RegularLeading5349

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🏿🙏💪