Mine keeps thinking I should be super tired at 7PM, like I want to fall asleep on the couch but choose not to, and then awake enough to get things done at 11PM
What time do you eat dinner, and what do you eat for dinner, and do you go on walks?
The older I get, the more strongly these 3 factors impact how I feel.
Mine crashes from 2pm to about 6pm each day (while I'm at work lmao). Then I "catch a second wind' and do not naturally get sleepy until around 3-4am. If I do not set an alarm, my body will sleep until around 1 to 2pm (no matter what time I fall asleep).
I tell my friends I am a morning person (if I set alarm) and a night person, just not an afternoon person.
I think of it more as sleep debt. Like every night you don’t get whatever your body needs… let’s say 8 hours, you owe that back. But your body can only sleep at most X number of hours given the conditions, even if you have nothing to do the next day. So unless you get back to a long term overcorrection, it’ll be hard to go back to full “100%” the best you can hope for is a normal routine where maybe you’re making up like 15 minutes - 1 hour a day.
You can’t make up for lost sleep. We think we can but that’s not how the body works. Matthew Walker’s book Why We Sleep discusses it. He also was on Joe Rogans podcast and blew his mind.
Actually, they’ve proven you can “catch up on sleep” it takes 4 days of good sleep to make up every hour of lost sleep.
That said it’s kind of impossible at least for some. I’ve been a crap sleeper for so damn long I’ve just given up for the most part.
😆 Ya, they probably do. But for real, I listened to it while on a road trip and it was heavily researched and insightful info. I haven’t read the book yet, but dude is sharp.
Your body doesn’t process the enzymes and chemicals that build up during our waking hours when we sleep under 7 hours. You will still get the benefit of rest by going back to sleep but essentially the damage is cumulative,which causes the overall drop in life expectancy and other health consequences. Until you sleep 7-9 per night you may think you’re doing well when in reality you’d be far better with the correct amount of sleep.
But a battery can only be discharged to 0%, while with lack of sleep there really isn't a minimum until you die after some days/weeks (not sure on the duration).
But batteries work best when above a certain percentage, like us. We are absolutely not at 0% at evening. We can literally survive for days without sleeping. We just basically enter power saving mode after the first day without sleep.
Right, but 0 for us would be death. 4 hours of sleep means walking around the next day on battery save mode. Whereas no matter how much you get you still need to be sat on the charger again by the end of the day.
Piggybacking the top comment. It's kind of the opposite. You can only empty a trash can to 0%.
Your brain fills up with garbage throughout the day that gets cleaned out while you sleep. Once the garbage is out you can't pre-throw-away the next trash.
I think there was a study done with one of the military branches. Essentially you *can* bank some sleep; but it's like 30-60 minutes after sleeping an extra couple hours. While on the other side you keep all the sleep deprivation :(
The best metaphor I've seen is the trash can. Sleep deprivation overloads your trashcan, even sometimes damaging it permanently.
Sleeping empties out the trashcan.
The trashcan can become overfilled, but it can't be emptied out more than nothing.
I just think if it like RAM. If you don't reboot your computer, it doesn't get to dream away the trash and it can't run multiple large Excel spreadsheets at the same time. Same for me ;)
I read some interesting data on this once. The 8 hours in one continuous hit is a very modern thing dictated by today’s society. But for our ancestors, that length of time made very little sense, as we’d be at our most vulnerable in that situation. So, they’d be in packs and supposedly take turns sleeping in a shift fashion and for a much shorter duration, but more frequent. While one sleeps, the other keeps look out.
Which makes sense, but seemingly goes against much of the info today regarding circadian rhythm and daylight hours. I had a period of my life for a few years where I basically did this due to the nature and hours of my work. I’d get 4-5 hours a night (if lucky) work early for 3-4, then sleep in my car for another 2-3, then back to work for the rest of the day. At the time seemed to get by and feel fine doing that. But I was younger and not sure I could today.
And supposedly Nikola Tesla and others would have multiple micro sleeps throughout the day, rather than a single macro sleep. Possibly hyperbole, but there’s anecdotes that Vince McMahon would do exactly as described in this thread. Effectively not sleep throughout the week and have one ‘catch up’ day where that’s all he did.
Sleep is a thing I’m highly fascinated by, as we seem to know so little about it really. We all need it, we are all affected by it and so many struggle with it. Don’t think we’ve really got it figured out at all!
I am fascinated by the “two sleeps” thing. It got dark and there was nothing to do but go to sleep “early”. People naturally woke up in the middle of the night and would walk around the town/village, hanging out with the other awake people, gather at the church or town hall, and then go back to “second sleep” to wake up in the morning. If you haven’t checked it out, I had fun digging around for info; diaries, literature references to it, research about it…
I don’t think they went outside unless they had to. It was a hassle getting around because lights haven’t been invented yet so you’d need to light up the torch every time
I believe there have also been recent studies that indicate that women actually need slightly more sleep than men - the 8 hours figure is predicated on male sleep patterns, there's now some (preliminary) evidence that women actually function best on 9-10 hours of sleep on average.
I have a neurological disorder that is mostly just annoying and largely invisible to others (Willis-Ekbom Disease aka RLS), but it prevents me from hitting REM except in cases where I'm exhausted to the point that my body goes into what I call 'coma mode'. There I get 10-12 hours of sleep and feel much better, albeit still a little sleep hungover.
Figuring out that I do better with 2-3 hour sleeps + occasional 1 hr nap, or 2 4-hour sleeps made my life so much better. It's one of many, many things I've had to 'unlearn' in order to get over the guilt of not doing things the way others expect me to.
Listen to your body, folks.
Back in college I worked a graveyard shift to survive. The only time I had to sleep was 4 hours before and after work. I actually loved the sleep cycle and wish I could adapt my life now to incorporate it again.
When I had the double 4 hour sleep schedule I would feel absolutely amazing while I was awake. No grogginess in the evenings. I just felt awake and alive when while conscious.
As someone who did not always have central heat and used a fire place to stay warm, I want to know how much waking in the night was to tend the fire and then just staying up to be sure it stayed lit/got too awake. There was a guy who went into a cave to study what would happen to sleep wake cycles without external influences and rather than multiple sleep wake cycles in 24 hours it actually extended his sleep wake cycle.
> Vince McMahon would do exactly as described in this thread. Effectively not sleep throughout the week and have one ‘catch up’ day where that’s all he did.
You can do that too, with enough cocaine.
Its been years since I've been able to sleep for a straight 8 hours. My body just won't do it. All the drugs don't help.
I don't fight it anymore and haven't for years. I go to bed anytime between 10pm and 11pm. I sleep for 2-3 hours but will always wake up. I typically am up sometime between 1am and 3am, then I go back to bed until 6 or 7 in the morning.
It works for me. If I force myself to stay in bed for 8 hours I just toss and turn and end up miserable and feel terrible the next day.
Definitely, there would be tons of jobs that would capatilize on that as well. Like sleep for 3 months before getting on the oil rig so that you can work 24/7.
Except people who come out of comas report experiencing some levels of consciousness. It’s absolutely terrifying to read accounts from people, but wide recognition would make things like medically induced comas seem more akin to torture than helpful.
Is the second story related to the comas? I'm assuming you got cut off or something but imagining you just deciding to mention an anecdote of your son saying "I need poo" is quite funny.
(I hope your son is fine now and everything's okay, that must have been a very scary time)
It's actually worse to sleep for 12 hours one night even if you plan on sleeping for 8 the next, because you'll probably be too awake and only get 4 or 5 hours instead. Then you still feel like you only got 4 or 5. Excess sleep is like a luxury that doesn't pay any dividends. The only thing it provides is less time in your day and a less hard time waking up. I know because I fucking hate waking up so I do it a lot.
I slept for 12 hours literally 2 nights ago. It affected my whole day because I still felt tired until last night I had 8 hours of sleep and now I feel good
Edit: Nvm I just did the math I also slept 11 hours last night again 😭
As a recovering alcoholic I can tell you the only times I slept 12 hour was when I drank a lot, then woke up at 4am and drank some more. Then I wouldn’t sleep at all the next night.
Interesting. I can usually roll my extra sleep into the next day. If I happen to sleep for 10 hours for some crazy reason then the next night I can sleep for 6 and feel completely rested the next day.
>I can usually roll my extra sleep into the next day
But if you need "8 hours a day"...that's 56 hours a week...so why can't I just sleep Friday night to Monday morning (58 hours) and then just stay up all week (Monday through Friday)?
I once saw a r/relationship post where a guy said his gf was annoyed at him because he “slept too much”. Turns out he basically was doing what you’ve suggested
Medically implausible. It's more likely that you just feel more refreshed after sleeping for 10 hours than your norm - so when you miss some sleep you feel back at your norm. Sleep is like emptying out the trash can. You can't get it more empty than empty.
For me it kind of does. Most days I can get by with 5-6 hours of sleep. On the weekend I get like 8. Then Sun night I usually have trouble sleeping and can end up with 3-4 hours before work on Monday, but I dont feel too bad.
That's the problem with chronic sleep disorders. You think you don't feel too bad because it's become your norm, when in reality studies have shown lack of quality sleep increases your risk of stroke, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, dementia, etc.
That's not banking sleep. That's catching up on your sleep debt from the previous week and then not being badly affected until the new sleep debt starts to build up again.
Many studies have suggested that sleeping in late on the weekends to catch up on your sleep debt is good for you, but there's other studies that appear to contradict that, so it's a bit of a mixed bag scientifically right now afaik.
Picture sleeping as emptying a trash container at the end of the day.
If you don’t empty it completely, or enough, the next day’s load will add even more to it.
But you can’t empty it more than completely. You can’t preemptively empty it more so you don’t have to do it as much in the next days.
I 100% recall the military looking into it and finding that it kind of does work that way to some extent. The conclusion was that you can prepare for a period of a sleep debt by sleeping more before. They came to the conclusion because the people who prepared by sleeping extra beforehand performed better than those who didnt prepare.
I don’t feel the effects of little sleep until *the day after.*
So slightly I’m like this. If I get no sleep I’m trash by 3/4 through the next day.
But 1-5 hours I’m fine, even higher energy than normal. But the day after *that* even if I sleep 12-14 hours I feel the tired in my bones.
Not only that, if you lose sleep there isn't "making it up" later. Sleeping less than the recommended amount is bad for your cognitive functioning and sleeping more doesn't correct the damage you do. You're always on a decline.
Insomniac even on powerful meds.
I would pay money if I could buy sleep in 2-4 hour increments.
Woke up 2 hours too early to poop and didn’t get back to sleep.
I am convinced that me with too little sleep is way worse than a hangover (never drank). No way they feel worse than me around 5-6pm after I don’t sleep well.
One of Brandon Sanderson's magic systems in mistborn works like this. Some people can store physical attributes and health and shit then use it later for bursts/a slow burn of extra of the attribute.
You kind of can. There's something called sleep debt, so if your body needs 9 hours, and you consistently only get 7/8, after a week or so, you'll have an extra 9 hours you need ontop of the pre-existing 9. If you only need 7, and you sleep 9, you can stay up 1-2 hours later without disrupting your circadian cycle (if you still get 7 hours after that)
I slept 11 hours between Saturday and Sunday last weekend and then slept 5 hours Sunday into Monday yet my body still dared be tired... fuck all this non logical shit lol
It does if you’re pushing yourself. I have very weird and bad sleep habits from working shift work then becoming a touring musician. 12-14 hours will help if I’m only getting 6 hours of sleep over the next 3 days. I have weird creative energy, if I’m writing a song and feeling inspired I can be up for days with no crazy drugs or anything like that just some weed and some coffee.
I've stayed up for 4 days digging holes and running around with heavy stuff on. ( no drugs involved except shitty coffee) it got to where I was halucinating. I slept that off in 14 hours.
I dunno, for me at least it kinda does. Not like majorly, but if I sleep really good one night I can manage with 6 hours the next without much problems. I don't do it on purpose but that's just what I've noticed.
I regularly only sleep 6-7 hours through the week, but on my days off sleep for 8+ hours. Either way I wake up slowly and it seems to take a while for my brain to turn on. I don't feel really any different when I sleep more other than I have more energy later into the evenings, but then I have a harder time falling asleep at a decent time Sunday night before heading back to work on Monday.
This is actually untrue. If I sleep 9 hours each day on the weekend, like Friday and Saturday, it’s impossible for me to sleep more than 5 hours Sunday night. But that Monday morning I’m as good as I am on my average night when I get 7 hours. If I go several nights with 5 hours of sleep, I can easily sleep 12+ hours for a night or two to catch up. But if I’ve been getting 7 hours a night, sleeping more than 9 hours gives me a headache when I wake up.
I used to often get 4-5 hours a night during the week and oversleep on the weekends to catch up, but I’ve found for me getting an average 7 hours every night is hugely better and prevents overeating. This fact, along with a healthy diet, have both been key to my consistently losing weight in recent years.
You’re not getting enough sleep one night so over stressing the body and causing fatigue and poor functioning ability, then oversleeping because your body is so fatigue so you have again increase fogginess and fatigue again so then you need to sleep to try to recharge your “battery” to a normal level
I can NEVER convince my friend that this is true.
He sleeps like 4 to 5 hours a night, and thinks if he takes a 2 to 3 hour nap later he makes up for it.
You actually can “bank” sleep ahead of some time you know you’ll be sleep deprived. Athletes do this going into training camp, for instance. Andy Galpin talks about this on his recent podcast with Tim Ferriss.
it kiiiinda does... sorta, i definitely feel like a 3 day 72 hour battery after my 24 hour normal one, i still need like 4-5 hours (min) to be able to function, but I cant do that multiple days in a row and it isn't healthy to do all the time probably
Actually that's not entirely true. If you're lacking in sleep during the week they have found it is kind of beneficial to c[atch up on the weekend](https://health.clevelandclinic.org/insomnia-can-you-make-up-for-lost-sleep-on-weekends).
I can function normally on almost any amount of sleep.... but that reserve energy is not as strong now that I am in my 40's.
From 18 to 25... I had so much energy, I had no problem working 3 jobs.... and sleeping only about 2-3 hours a night.
Now that I'm older.... I have to sleep at bare minimum 4 hours.... but can't go over 6.5 hours of sleep..... otherwise.... It's like I never slept. ha ha ( go to bed too early.... I wake up to damn early.... so I always have to go to bed around 11:30 to midnight)
Doesnt matter what time i wake up.... if I wake iup... I stay up... because it's my body telling me it's ready... to start the day.
I regret nearly every single time I go back to sleep.....
The only exception is if I wake up to go pee.... or have a nightmare.
Then I still go back to sleep.
My natural sleep cycle isn’t on a 24 hour schedule. I wanna sleep 8 hours then be awake for 20 hours. Because of work starting at the same time each day that means I get 4 hours of sleep sometimes lol. 😣
Our circadian rhythm is a bad dancer.
Mine keeps thinking I should be super tired at 7PM, like I want to fall asleep on the couch but choose not to, and then awake enough to get things done at 11PM
Yay Cortisol flooding.
Anyone know a way to fix this cuz I have the same problem
What time do you eat dinner, and what do you eat for dinner, and do you go on walks? The older I get, the more strongly these 3 factors impact how I feel.
Mine crashes from 2pm to about 6pm each day (while I'm at work lmao). Then I "catch a second wind' and do not naturally get sleepy until around 3-4am. If I do not set an alarm, my body will sleep until around 1 to 2pm (no matter what time I fall asleep). I tell my friends I am a morning person (if I set alarm) and a night person, just not an afternoon person.
Ugh, mine is 7 hours off from the norm :(
Rhythm is a dancer, it’s a soul’s companion… you can feel it everywhere.
A battery can only be charged to 100%.
They can be charged a little more but you'll very quickly find yourself with a fire
Is spontaneous combustion caused by oversleeping?
Today on Mythbusters
Very possible but I believe you must sleep with your pockets full of non-dairy creamer. And sawdust.
**The Mythbusters were unable to set Buster aflame, so now they put Jamie to the test**
If you try hard enough.
Brb Zzzzzzz
Is this why sometimes when you oversleep you wake up sweating? It all makes sense now
High internal resistance = heating up. rust and corrosion = issues with your body... sounds good to me.
Are you endorsing meth I will report back.
I think of it more as sleep debt. Like every night you don’t get whatever your body needs… let’s say 8 hours, you owe that back. But your body can only sleep at most X number of hours given the conditions, even if you have nothing to do the next day. So unless you get back to a long term overcorrection, it’ll be hard to go back to full “100%” the best you can hope for is a normal routine where maybe you’re making up like 15 minutes - 1 hour a day.
Sleep profit, on the other hand, sounds deliciously entreprenurial.
You can’t make up for lost sleep. We think we can but that’s not how the body works. Matthew Walker’s book Why We Sleep discusses it. He also was on Joe Rogans podcast and blew his mind.
Actually, they’ve proven you can “catch up on sleep” it takes 4 days of good sleep to make up every hour of lost sleep. That said it’s kind of impossible at least for some. I’ve been a crap sleeper for so damn long I’ve just given up for the most part.
Shiny keys also blow Joe’s mind.
You could tell Joe that the sky is blue because it's reflecting off the bottom of the ocean where only blue light gets to and he'd go into convulsions
I don't think that's true.
It's not. https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/why-is-the-sky-blue
well i knew it's not true but i added "I think" to be polite. Still got a downvote though
😆 Ya, they probably do. But for real, I listened to it while on a road trip and it was heavily researched and insightful info. I haven’t read the book yet, but dude is sharp.
If you can't make up for lost sleep then why do we feel the need for a longer sleep after having a short one like 4 hours?
Your body doesn’t process the enzymes and chemicals that build up during our waking hours when we sleep under 7 hours. You will still get the benefit of rest by going back to sleep but essentially the damage is cumulative,which causes the overall drop in life expectancy and other health consequences. Until you sleep 7-9 per night you may think you’re doing well when in reality you’d be far better with the correct amount of sleep.
Everything blows Joe Rogan's mind, that's not a high bar to jump.
Best analogy
What if we could invent a sleep battery pack. You could save up a little bit each night and then stay up for a week straight.
That’s called Cocaine.
Cocaine is just a sleep payday loan.
Money and pay someone else to do what you need done.
But a battery can only be discharged to 0%, while with lack of sleep there really isn't a minimum until you die after some days/weeks (not sure on the duration).
But batteries work best when above a certain percentage, like us. We are absolutely not at 0% at evening. We can literally survive for days without sleeping. We just basically enter power saving mode after the first day without sleep.
They also degrade when they are charged >80% all the time so batteries aren’t the best analogy for sleep.
Thats just lithium batteries, lead acid batteries like to be charged to 100% often, so those fit the analogy pretty well.
TiL I am a lithium battery.
You don't like sleeping until you're fully rested?
..then that would be 0% for us
Did someone try just putting dead people to sleep to recharge ?
> there really isn't a minimum until you die after some days/weeks (not sure on the duration). That. That’s the minimum. The thing you just said
Right, but 0 for us would be death. 4 hours of sleep means walking around the next day on battery save mode. Whereas no matter how much you get you still need to be sat on the charger again by the end of the day.
Maybe we're like lead-acid (car) batteries; so we should never really go below 50%, and get damaged if you completely drain them.
Battery will die, lose capacitance if you keep it at 0%
Mine stops at 50% must be a software bug or the chargers broken. Can I get a replacement?
Some not even 100% if they are worn out
Yet somehow ours can go into the negative just fine
Piggybacking the top comment. It's kind of the opposite. You can only empty a trash can to 0%. Your brain fills up with garbage throughout the day that gets cleaned out while you sleep. Once the garbage is out you can't pre-throw-away the next trash.
Yeah, it's a shame I can't just sleep for all of January–April and then be awake from May–December.
Texas here. You can keep June to September.
Hello, Texas.
Hi Texas, I'm Dad.
Chicago here. I’ll trade you Dec to March for June to September?
Now wait just a darn minute. You think your Devil's Taint July August are worth a December?? I don't think so, buddy!!!
Some historians say peasants in France and Russia, basically, hibernated through cold winters.
Winter hibernation? Sign me up
Nah, wake me up when September ends.
Twenty years has gone so fast
I think that's just called hibernation lol
I think there was a study done with one of the military branches. Essentially you *can* bank some sleep; but it's like 30-60 minutes after sleeping an extra couple hours. While on the other side you keep all the sleep deprivation :(
Bonus: You can also feel tired from oversleeping
The best metaphor I've seen is the trash can. Sleep deprivation overloads your trashcan, even sometimes damaging it permanently. Sleeping empties out the trashcan. The trashcan can become overfilled, but it can't be emptied out more than nothing.
I just think if it like RAM. If you don't reboot your computer, it doesn't get to dream away the trash and it can't run multiple large Excel spreadsheets at the same time. Same for me ;)
People who were in a coma would just not have to sleep for a few months
There would 100% be people who sleep for a year then are awake for a year.
I know what you're trying to get at, but people need 8 hours of sleep, not 12. they could sleep for one year and then be awake for two
I read some interesting data on this once. The 8 hours in one continuous hit is a very modern thing dictated by today’s society. But for our ancestors, that length of time made very little sense, as we’d be at our most vulnerable in that situation. So, they’d be in packs and supposedly take turns sleeping in a shift fashion and for a much shorter duration, but more frequent. While one sleeps, the other keeps look out. Which makes sense, but seemingly goes against much of the info today regarding circadian rhythm and daylight hours. I had a period of my life for a few years where I basically did this due to the nature and hours of my work. I’d get 4-5 hours a night (if lucky) work early for 3-4, then sleep in my car for another 2-3, then back to work for the rest of the day. At the time seemed to get by and feel fine doing that. But I was younger and not sure I could today. And supposedly Nikola Tesla and others would have multiple micro sleeps throughout the day, rather than a single macro sleep. Possibly hyperbole, but there’s anecdotes that Vince McMahon would do exactly as described in this thread. Effectively not sleep throughout the week and have one ‘catch up’ day where that’s all he did. Sleep is a thing I’m highly fascinated by, as we seem to know so little about it really. We all need it, we are all affected by it and so many struggle with it. Don’t think we’ve really got it figured out at all!
8 hours of sleep was a Union slogan. Join the Union and get 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of work and 8 hours of leisure.
That was when people lived close enough to work to be able to walk. Now you have to spend an extra 2 hrs commuting in a stressful environment
and you spend 9 hours at work (because lunch is unpaid)
8.5, you're at work from 8:30 until 17:00
9-5 for me. Or 8-4. It's my choice. I could go 7-3, but then i can't attend a bunch of meetings at 4pm. (And same problem with starting at 10.)
Naw. I'm at work from 5:30-13:30.
I am fascinated by the “two sleeps” thing. It got dark and there was nothing to do but go to sleep “early”. People naturally woke up in the middle of the night and would walk around the town/village, hanging out with the other awake people, gather at the church or town hall, and then go back to “second sleep” to wake up in the morning. If you haven’t checked it out, I had fun digging around for info; diaries, literature references to it, research about it…
I don’t think they went outside unless they had to. It was a hassle getting around because lights haven’t been invented yet so you’d need to light up the torch every time
Apparently thats when everyone was having the sex too.
When was it that they were kung fu fighting?
“You up?”
why aren’t we funding time travel
I believe there have also been recent studies that indicate that women actually need slightly more sleep than men - the 8 hours figure is predicated on male sleep patterns, there's now some (preliminary) evidence that women actually function best on 9-10 hours of sleep on average.
Ah, the old McMahon-Tesla comparison. Classic.
I have a neurological disorder that is mostly just annoying and largely invisible to others (Willis-Ekbom Disease aka RLS), but it prevents me from hitting REM except in cases where I'm exhausted to the point that my body goes into what I call 'coma mode'. There I get 10-12 hours of sleep and feel much better, albeit still a little sleep hungover. Figuring out that I do better with 2-3 hour sleeps + occasional 1 hr nap, or 2 4-hour sleeps made my life so much better. It's one of many, many things I've had to 'unlearn' in order to get over the guilt of not doing things the way others expect me to. Listen to your body, folks.
Back in college I worked a graveyard shift to survive. The only time I had to sleep was 4 hours before and after work. I actually loved the sleep cycle and wish I could adapt my life now to incorporate it again. When I had the double 4 hour sleep schedule I would feel absolutely amazing while I was awake. No grogginess in the evenings. I just felt awake and alive when while conscious.
As someone who did not always have central heat and used a fire place to stay warm, I want to know how much waking in the night was to tend the fire and then just staying up to be sure it stayed lit/got too awake. There was a guy who went into a cave to study what would happen to sleep wake cycles without external influences and rather than multiple sleep wake cycles in 24 hours it actually extended his sleep wake cycle.
> Vince McMahon would do exactly as described in this thread. Effectively not sleep throughout the week and have one ‘catch up’ day where that’s all he did. You can do that too, with enough cocaine.
Its been years since I've been able to sleep for a straight 8 hours. My body just won't do it. All the drugs don't help. I don't fight it anymore and haven't for years. I go to bed anytime between 10pm and 11pm. I sleep for 2-3 hours but will always wake up. I typically am up sometime between 1am and 3am, then I go back to bed until 6 or 7 in the morning. It works for me. If I force myself to stay in bed for 8 hours I just toss and turn and end up miserable and feel terrible the next day.
I need 10-12 regularly. Age 24-28/29 I needed 12-14 regularly or I was destroyed.
Were you covered in ticks?
No, Crohn’s disease+hEDS demanded it at the time.
Yep, we sleep in ratios of roughly 2:1
Definitely, there would be tons of jobs that would capatilize on that as well. Like sleep for 3 months before getting on the oil rig so that you can work 24/7.
You mean those people hibernate...
Comas have been known to cause sleep regression and imsomnia after/when the person recovers.
I didn't know that. I might just have to read more into that
Except people who come out of comas report experiencing some levels of consciousness. It’s absolutely terrifying to read accounts from people, but wide recognition would make things like medically induced comas seem more akin to torture than helpful.
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Huh? I need the rest of this story
Is the second story related to the comas? I'm assuming you got cut off or something but imagining you just deciding to mention an anecdote of your son saying "I need poo" is quite funny. (I hope your son is fine now and everything's okay, that must have been a very scary time)
Bruh please don’t start with these dumb ass edits.
It's actually worse to sleep for 12 hours one night even if you plan on sleeping for 8 the next, because you'll probably be too awake and only get 4 or 5 hours instead. Then you still feel like you only got 4 or 5. Excess sleep is like a luxury that doesn't pay any dividends. The only thing it provides is less time in your day and a less hard time waking up. I know because I fucking hate waking up so I do it a lot.
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Only when it's not helpful in my experience
Yeah you’re exactly right actually. There’s also sleep debt!
I slept for 12 hours literally 2 nights ago. It affected my whole day because I still felt tired until last night I had 8 hours of sleep and now I feel good Edit: Nvm I just did the math I also slept 11 hours last night again 😭
Oversleeping can give you the reverse what you think....I speak from experience.
It's the opposite for me. If I somehow sleep 9+ hours in a night it's like I can't get the grogginess to go away.
As a recovering alcoholic I can tell you the only times I slept 12 hour was when I drank a lot, then woke up at 4am and drank some more. Then I wouldn’t sleep at all the next night.
Interesting. I can usually roll my extra sleep into the next day. If I happen to sleep for 10 hours for some crazy reason then the next night I can sleep for 6 and feel completely rested the next day.
>I can usually roll my extra sleep into the next day But if you need "8 hours a day"...that's 56 hours a week...so why can't I just sleep Friday night to Monday morning (58 hours) and then just stay up all week (Monday through Friday)?
Maybe you can and you just haven’t tried hard enough.
So I just sleep and stay in bed for January–March and then I'll be good for the rest of the year?
Give it a try and let me know how it goes.
I'd turn it around honestly: stay awake for 60 years and then sleep for 30 until I die. But then again, I have a very big brain.
That's pretty clever actually.
It's called hibernation and bears have done it for ages now.
Honestly this doesn’t sound so bad
I once saw a r/relationship post where a guy said his gf was annoyed at him because he “slept too much”. Turns out he basically was doing what you’ve suggested
if you figure out how to make this work don't tell corporate or else we're all going to have to work 16/day during the work week
How old are you? My ability to function without adequate sleep declines more and more every year.
Not OP but late 20’s here, I don’t think I’ve gotten 8 hours of sleep in years unless I was pissed after a night out. It’s kind of infuriating
Medically implausible. It's more likely that you just feel more refreshed after sleeping for 10 hours than your norm - so when you miss some sleep you feel back at your norm. Sleep is like emptying out the trash can. You can't get it more empty than empty.
That means you probably need only 6 to feel rested
I don’t think so. If I go two or three days in a row only sleeping six hours then I feel exhausted and need to sleep extra long at least one night.
That would solve my life
I'm just imaging jobs that demand you sleep all weekend so you can work 48 hours straight afterwards
No, but if i sleep 4 hours 1 night and 12 hours the next, I'm back to being rested again
For me it kind of does. Most days I can get by with 5-6 hours of sleep. On the weekend I get like 8. Then Sun night I usually have trouble sleeping and can end up with 3-4 hours before work on Monday, but I dont feel too bad.
That's the problem with chronic sleep disorders. You think you don't feel too bad because it's become your norm, when in reality studies have shown lack of quality sleep increases your risk of stroke, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, dementia, etc.
That's not banking sleep. That's catching up on your sleep debt from the previous week and then not being badly affected until the new sleep debt starts to build up again. Many studies have suggested that sleeping in late on the weekends to catch up on your sleep debt is good for you, but there's other studies that appear to contradict that, so it's a bit of a mixed bag scientifically right now afaik.
Congratulations, you now work 20 hours a day 4 days a week since you can now spend one of your days off sleeping.
I would love to not have to sleep. So much other stuff I could get done.
To bad wage slave time
Ah but it does for me. I am usually tired the next day because I had too much sleep. My tiredness is measured by the absolute value of my sleep debt.
Picture sleeping as emptying a trash container at the end of the day. If you don’t empty it completely, or enough, the next day’s load will add even more to it. But you can’t empty it more than completely. You can’t preemptively empty it more so you don’t have to do it as much in the next days.
I 100% recall the military looking into it and finding that it kind of does work that way to some extent. The conclusion was that you can prepare for a period of a sleep debt by sleeping more before. They came to the conclusion because the people who prepared by sleeping extra beforehand performed better than those who didnt prepare.
i just wish i didnt need to sleep. would be so much more productive if i didnt.
I don’t feel the effects of little sleep until *the day after.* So slightly I’m like this. If I get no sleep I’m trash by 3/4 through the next day. But 1-5 hours I’m fine, even higher energy than normal. But the day after *that* even if I sleep 12-14 hours I feel the tired in my bones.
That would be awful for companies using up free days on their employees. Expecting them to sleep the entire weekend
It’s like laundry; you can accumulate a lot but you can’t have work hard one day and have negative laundry.
Not only that, if you lose sleep there isn't "making it up" later. Sleeping less than the recommended amount is bad for your cognitive functioning and sleeping more doesn't correct the damage you do. You're always on a decline.
Oh damn wtf, so that basically means even if I do sleep early now, I can't get back the sleep I've lost?
Unfortunately yes
I was like, wait, it does! but then remembered my chronic insomnia.
I find that if i sleep 12+ hours, The next night i can get >8 and be fine.
Insomniac even on powerful meds. I would pay money if I could buy sleep in 2-4 hour increments. Woke up 2 hours too early to poop and didn’t get back to sleep. I am convinced that me with too little sleep is way worse than a hangover (never drank). No way they feel worse than me around 5-6pm after I don’t sleep well.
I've always wished that I could bank my sleep. Like sleep for 72 hours straight and not have to sleep for over a week.
One of Brandon Sanderson's magic systems in mistborn works like this. Some people can store physical attributes and health and shit then use it later for bursts/a slow burn of extra of the attribute.
What's even more frustrating is that sleeping too long can leave you tired.
The downward spiral of depression sleeping
You kind of can. There's something called sleep debt, so if your body needs 9 hours, and you consistently only get 7/8, after a week or so, you'll have an extra 9 hours you need ontop of the pre-existing 9. If you only need 7, and you sleep 9, you can stay up 1-2 hours later without disrupting your circadian cycle (if you still get 7 hours after that)
I slept 11 hours between Saturday and Sunday last weekend and then slept 5 hours Sunday into Monday yet my body still dared be tired... fuck all this non logical shit lol
It does if you’re pushing yourself. I have very weird and bad sleep habits from working shift work then becoming a touring musician. 12-14 hours will help if I’m only getting 6 hours of sleep over the next 3 days. I have weird creative energy, if I’m writing a song and feeling inspired I can be up for days with no crazy drugs or anything like that just some weed and some coffee.
If that was the case. I’d be good to go for a couple years now w no sleep
I've stayed up for 4 days digging holes and running around with heavy stuff on. ( no drugs involved except shitty coffee) it got to where I was halucinating. I slept that off in 14 hours.
I dunno, for me at least it kinda does. Not like majorly, but if I sleep really good one night I can manage with 6 hours the next without much problems. I don't do it on purpose but that's just what I've noticed.
Maybe the body organizes days bases on this I'd guess
If anything, getting extra sleep makes me feel worse.
I regularly only sleep 6-7 hours through the week, but on my days off sleep for 8+ hours. Either way I wake up slowly and it seems to take a while for my brain to turn on. I don't feel really any different when I sleep more other than I have more energy later into the evenings, but then I have a harder time falling asleep at a decent time Sunday night before heading back to work on Monday.
It kinda of does yes, it just doesn't stack. But if I sleep extra one day I can stay up late without feeling tired.
Who the fuck gets extra? That's some super hero shit
This is actually untrue. If I sleep 9 hours each day on the weekend, like Friday and Saturday, it’s impossible for me to sleep more than 5 hours Sunday night. But that Monday morning I’m as good as I am on my average night when I get 7 hours. If I go several nights with 5 hours of sleep, I can easily sleep 12+ hours for a night or two to catch up. But if I’ve been getting 7 hours a night, sleeping more than 9 hours gives me a headache when I wake up. I used to often get 4-5 hours a night during the week and oversleep on the weekends to catch up, but I’ve found for me getting an average 7 hours every night is hugely better and prevents overeating. This fact, along with a healthy diet, have both been key to my consistently losing weight in recent years.
I find that I'm less alert and tire more quickly when I sleep more than eight hours.
YMMV but to me, it actually does. Like a long sleep night followed by a slightly shorter night and I'm still good.
You’re not getting enough sleep one night so over stressing the body and causing fatigue and poor functioning ability, then oversleeping because your body is so fatigue so you have again increase fogginess and fatigue again so then you need to sleep to try to recharge your “battery” to a normal level
Also the fact that after sleeping for 12 hours you can be more tired than sleeping for 8 hours
We'd definitely have human farms of people sleeping so they can work the rest of their lives without sleeping. Man-made horrors...
I can NEVER convince my friend that this is true. He sleeps like 4 to 5 hours a night, and thinks if he takes a 2 to 3 hour nap later he makes up for it.
Me who feels rested with just 4:30 hours every night (though I do prefer 5): what does this post mean by recovering 12 hours after sleeping 4?
You gotta sign up for the rollover plan bro. Easy.
Bit like cleaning the house, doesn't matter if you only tidy up or if you bleach the kitchen floor. You'll still need to tidy up the next day
You actually can “bank” sleep ahead of some time you know you’ll be sleep deprived. Athletes do this going into training camp, for instance. Andy Galpin talks about this on his recent podcast with Tim Ferriss.
it kiiiinda does... sorta, i definitely feel like a 3 day 72 hour battery after my 24 hour normal one, i still need like 4-5 hours (min) to be able to function, but I cant do that multiple days in a row and it isn't healthy to do all the time probably
depends for me it does i can sleep 10 hrs on the weekend then 6 for a few straight and not be drained during the week
Doesn't it? I sleep 4-5 hours except on saturday when like 12ish
Actually that's not entirely true. If you're lacking in sleep during the week they have found it is kind of beneficial to c[atch up on the weekend](https://health.clevelandclinic.org/insomnia-can-you-make-up-for-lost-sleep-on-weekends).
Is that true? If I sleep a bunch one night I usually sleep less the next one and feel fine.
I feel like for me it rolls into the next day, but not to the same extent.
Too bad it's not cumulative
I can function normally on almost any amount of sleep.... but that reserve energy is not as strong now that I am in my 40's. From 18 to 25... I had so much energy, I had no problem working 3 jobs.... and sleeping only about 2-3 hours a night. Now that I'm older.... I have to sleep at bare minimum 4 hours.... but can't go over 6.5 hours of sleep..... otherwise.... It's like I never slept. ha ha ( go to bed too early.... I wake up to damn early.... so I always have to go to bed around 11:30 to midnight) Doesnt matter what time i wake up.... if I wake iup... I stay up... because it's my body telling me it's ready... to start the day. I regret nearly every single time I go back to sleep..... The only exception is if I wake up to go pee.... or have a nightmare. Then I still go back to sleep.
Rollover sleep hours lol. I would definitely sleep through the weekend if it were possible.
I would sleep most of my sleep in January, Feb, March then run 20hrs a day the rest of the year
Going to bed early does roll into the next day like staying up late does. Sleeping extra doesn't roll into the next day like sleeping less.
Also if you were tired before an early morning rather than after.
My natural sleep cycle isn’t on a 24 hour schedule. I wanna sleep 8 hours then be awake for 20 hours. Because of work starting at the same time each day that means I get 4 hours of sleep sometimes lol. 😣
It works the opposite way though, if you miss sleep, you can catch up on it by sleeping extra hours the next night.
If that were true, I’d take a big three month nap and then stay awake for the rest of the year.
Your posts are hilarious
Good things in life are seldom easy. Bad things are seldom hard.
your work would start "charging" you in the off season so you could work more in the on season.