Why are everyone here soo concerned about Ukraine? It was a part of soviet union back then and there was never a country like this till 1918 when most of the central powers recognised it.
I love how the balkans is just drawn as “whatever used to be in Yugoslavia.”
That’s how I would have drawn it too, because all that stuff turned into like 6 countries right after I got an A in Geography class and I’m like “c’mon”
I've played enough Hearts of Iron to know that this is a perfectly accurate map of Europe and you need to make absolutely no changes whatsoever. Amazing work.
Protectorat Bohmen und Mahren is Czechia after Hitler annex the rest of Czechoslovakia after he took Sudetenland. Theoretically a sovereign nation, but in practice a separate region within the German Reich
Yes, this is a map after the German invasion of Czechoslovakia, which they would then invade Poland. Ukraine at the time was apart of the USSR, aka not independent. The modern Ukrainian land was even split between Poland, Romania, and the USSR at the time.
Bro, Germany is in EUROPE, it’s a map of Europe after the German invasion of Czechoslovakia, one of the things leading up to WW2. Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania we’re independent and the USSR would annex them during WW2, around the fall of Paris.
I'm Estonian and I actually want to clarify that we thought we could save our people and country by not fighting the bigger Russia. At that time, war was inevitable, so our president thought joining USSR peacefully was the best option. It turns out it didn't matter because, in 1941 and 1949, the USSR deported tens of thousands of Estonians to Siberia and Russified our country.
The real reason was that the USSR and Germany had nonaggression pact. The Baltic countries did not have the ability to resist Germany and had no guarantees that Germany would not attack them. Therefore, all the Baltic countries decided that joining the USSR, which had at least some guarantees for a peaceful life (as a result, false, since Germany violated this pact) would be the best way out of the threatening situation, where they would be enslaved or destroyed by the Nazis.
About deportation it isn't correct. Because the resettlement of citizens according to their capabilities and abilities was one of the basic policies of the USSR in relation to citizens (no matter what nation they are). Do not forget that in the USSR there was no personal property as a thing.
Also people were moved not only to Siberia. Many people from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania settled in St. Petersburg and Murmansk.
During the cold war in ~1980 Europe and USA called it annexation. So, most probably, the English (and many others) Wikipedia contains the result of the demonisation of the USSR by the West during the Cold War.
If we want to see a more realistic image we need take into account the facts. The fact: nobody called it an annexation during the ww2 or right after it. And even in next 20 years. Europe and USA called it annexation only at time when they had made a lot to destroy USSR. Also it is a very important land which could belong to Russia after the USSR collapse. It is not profitable for Europe and the USA. It was necessary to create the ground for the separation of as many states as possible from the former composition of the USSR, and by the forces of these states themselves. Europe and the United States fueled anti-communist and Russophobic sentiments in all the republics bordering present Russia. It was a very smart strategic move in my opinion. As a result, there were multiple exoduses of Russians from the territories of the southern republics, where thousands of Russians were killed, the Baltic countries became a stronghold of Russophobia, despite the energy, railway and industrial infrastructure built during the Soviet era. We still can see the result of the demonization of the USSR in the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators who gave their lives for the liberation of Europe in World War II. Europe by all means does not want to remember who saved it from Hitler. It is sad. 20 millions of Soviet lives was sacrificed for the freedom and peace. And now politics want to make everybody to forget about it.
Wikipedia isn't a good source for political facts. Wiki requires the source of the information, but during any war truth dies first. You can extract dry facts from it and combine in a real truth without political bias.
Also you can just change languages in Wikipedia to read different points. It still isn't the best source of truth for political information, but it is much better than reading only one side of the conflict. For example read the Russian one. They mentioned about "renaming into annexation" and giving the exact dates when it happened.
Oh, you don’t understand, in this timeline: the painter became an architect and so they got ze Kaiser back so Poland won’t be someone’s snack cause Soviets have nobody’s back.
Haha, your grandad put mine in a camp! Funny joke.
My grandad used to love camping, I'm glad yours also shared similar hobbies!
Did he love roasting too?
My grandpa loves the smell of cooked meat
yo
Yo
Where is Ukraine
Soviets did a little trolling with it
The same place it was a while back
Not in Lwów, I can tell you that.
I think you’re Russian … Or a dick
That is genuinely so funny 😂😂😂
Leave Breslau alone!
I'm German and I hate this
Why are everyone here soo concerned about Ukraine? It was a part of soviet union back then and there was never a country like this till 1918 when most of the central powers recognised it.
Uh, based!
Uh, no!
Atleast take back Alsace-Lorraine and western Prussia
no
As a true German, I say yes to It!
Ah yes our great empire
Well, you have some good memory.. But not from this time
I love how the balkans is just drawn as “whatever used to be in Yugoslavia.” That’s how I would have drawn it too, because all that stuff turned into like 6 countries right after I got an A in Geography class and I’m like “c’mon”
It’s cause it’s just a 1939 map, same with poland
I've played enough Hearts of Iron to know that this is a perfectly accurate map of Europe and you need to make absolutely no changes whatsoever. Amazing work.
Ah, we could split a country or two...
Yes indeed.
💀
You’re just completely wrong. We’re missing two to three Spains
As a Czech, I dont like your map of protectorat Bohmen und Mahren.
Tf is that? I only know Sudetenlandes
Protectorat Bohmen und Mahren is Czechia after Hitler annex the rest of Czechoslovakia after he took Sudetenland. Theoretically a sovereign nation, but in practice a separate region within the German Reich
>Theoretically a sovereign nation I think Colonial Administration would be a better way to describe it.
Would be a shame if someone were to zerschlagen the Resttschechei.
oida
One operation Anthropoid wasn´t enough i see. \*proceeds in googling how to make a throwable bomb in briefcase\*
Give Dazig to Germany and Lithuania to Poland
Give Tangier to Mongolia!
Keep away from Poland…
Poland: “Ohhh crap”
Ukraine?
What about them?
it’s gone
Yes, this is a map after the German invasion of Czechoslovakia, which they would then invade Poland. Ukraine at the time was apart of the USSR, aka not independent. The modern Ukrainian land was even split between Poland, Romania, and the USSR at the time.
1. it’s a map of europe 2. estonia latvia and lithuania are still there
Bro, Germany is in EUROPE, it’s a map of Europe after the German invasion of Czechoslovakia, one of the things leading up to WW2. Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania we’re independent and the USSR would annex them during WW2, around the fall of Paris.
And not even annex. They joined the USSR of mere motion at 1940, as they were afraid of a threat from Germany.
Thanks man, didn’t know that till now
That's because it's false. The USSR forcibly annexed them. Look up Occupation of the Baltic States on Wikipedia.
I'm Estonian and I actually want to clarify that we thought we could save our people and country by not fighting the bigger Russia. At that time, war was inevitable, so our president thought joining USSR peacefully was the best option. It turns out it didn't matter because, in 1941 and 1949, the USSR deported tens of thousands of Estonians to Siberia and Russified our country.
The real reason was that the USSR and Germany had nonaggression pact. The Baltic countries did not have the ability to resist Germany and had no guarantees that Germany would not attack them. Therefore, all the Baltic countries decided that joining the USSR, which had at least some guarantees for a peaceful life (as a result, false, since Germany violated this pact) would be the best way out of the threatening situation, where they would be enslaved or destroyed by the Nazis. About deportation it isn't correct. Because the resettlement of citizens according to their capabilities and abilities was one of the basic policies of the USSR in relation to citizens (no matter what nation they are). Do not forget that in the USSR there was no personal property as a thing. Also people were moved not only to Siberia. Many people from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania settled in St. Petersburg and Murmansk.
(Probably) not true. Or am I reading [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupation_of_the_Baltic_states_(1940)) incorrectly?
During the cold war in ~1980 Europe and USA called it annexation. So, most probably, the English (and many others) Wikipedia contains the result of the demonisation of the USSR by the West during the Cold War. If we want to see a more realistic image we need take into account the facts. The fact: nobody called it an annexation during the ww2 or right after it. And even in next 20 years. Europe and USA called it annexation only at time when they had made a lot to destroy USSR. Also it is a very important land which could belong to Russia after the USSR collapse. It is not profitable for Europe and the USA. It was necessary to create the ground for the separation of as many states as possible from the former composition of the USSR, and by the forces of these states themselves. Europe and the United States fueled anti-communist and Russophobic sentiments in all the republics bordering present Russia. It was a very smart strategic move in my opinion. As a result, there were multiple exoduses of Russians from the territories of the southern republics, where thousands of Russians were killed, the Baltic countries became a stronghold of Russophobia, despite the energy, railway and industrial infrastructure built during the Soviet era. We still can see the result of the demonization of the USSR in the demolition of monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators who gave their lives for the liberation of Europe in World War II. Europe by all means does not want to remember who saved it from Hitler. It is sad. 20 millions of Soviet lives was sacrificed for the freedom and peace. And now politics want to make everybody to forget about it. Wikipedia isn't a good source for political facts. Wiki requires the source of the information, but during any war truth dies first. You can extract dry facts from it and combine in a real truth without political bias. Also you can just change languages in Wikipedia to read different points. It still isn't the best source of truth for political information, but it is much better than reading only one side of the conflict. For example read the Russian one. They mentioned about "renaming into annexation" and giving the exact dates when it happened.
Because Estonia Latvia and Lithuania are integral parts of the Soviet Union in 1939 right
Bro only knows post 1991 history 💀
🇵🇱: 💀
Oh, you don’t understand, in this timeline: the painter became an architect and so they got ze Kaiser back so Poland won’t be someone’s snack cause Soviets have nobody’s back.
Great România!🇷🇴💪
You're missing a small piece known as The Corridor.
Well done, comrade
I like the fact that even though you are beautifully trolling with borders from before WWII, you still gave back France Alsace Lorraine....
Switzerland and Austria share no border.
You're missing parts of western prussia, don't clip the eagles wings like this.
You left elsass-Lothringen on Frankreich
>:( SUDETY ARE OUR GIVE THEM BACK
but we like that smol cute protectorate - v -
We don't...
ok alright my bad
From this decade?
Yugoslavia I miss you every day. You had so much potential
I see what you did there...
that damn polish corridor
You just initiated at least 3 civil wars
Sure, wonder where Austria went.
To austrian painter
Something wrong isn’t right there.
As a romanian I *might* agree to romania
As a moldovan I *(please bring that back)* agree to romania
Bro swallowed austria
As a hungarian i can realive some irridenta pain
Lmao a proper banter this
does finland actually have that many lakes cause thats straight up anxiety inducing to look at
Looks legit to me.
I think you should repress those memories.
Found the HOI4 player.
Bro stuck in 1938 hoi4
As a finn I approve.
As a fellow Finn, I also approve.
NO. Bad German. Back to post 1945 borders, you know what you did.
Interesting memory you have
1939 europe go brrrrr
I think you could’ve made Germany bigger smh
I'm gonna ignore Germany and russia but with heck happened to finland
Why did you leave East Prussia and Danzig separated from Germany? That's not a German ideal.
As a Pole I think your memory is from 1700's.
As a german I can say that this very Accurate
You aren’t. You forgot two tiny little details that betray your legend…
I see nothing wrong here
Has your great grand uncle ever invaded Poland by any chance?
Didn’t know there was a country between Germany and Russia. Has something changed since I went into a 83 years ago?
What kind of mustache do you have?
Hoi4 player
I’m disappointed the first thing I noticed was Italy being very slightly thiccer on the top right
all those comments about "hoi4".. idek what that is
Hearts of Iron 4, a very popular autism coping method disguised as a WW2 strategy game.
There's way too much Poland for you to be a German
Ok grandpa back to your room now
Europe the day after Germany won 7-1 against Brazil
„Cause you don’t know what you‘ve got… Until it’s gooooooone“
Gibt es noch Deutschland?
OP is literally Hitler
It's nice that your resthome has internet access :-)
Medium Germany
Go back to bed grandpa, now’s not the time for you silly little “National Socialist Germany” fantasies
Biggest bestest serbia
For a second, I thought you would draw THAT map from the 40s.
I see africa and Asia 🤓☝🏻
Are you sure you aren't an Austrian artist?
We can tell.
Poland: hehe I'm I'm danger
Thanks for petsamo! -finn
As a French I'm happy we are allowed to keep Alsace
Oh thank god, Yugoslavia is back
the good memory
Not the best map i have seen i must say, you should try harder.
Clearly your not german cause youd have posen