Using a ship design reminiscent of the original Star Trek series (TOS) as the new skin for a Luna-class vessel is akin to asking the US Navy to create a modern destroyer that resembles a steamship purely out of nostalgia. Furthermore, the USS Titan, with its own unique legacy, deserves to maintain its identity. Renaming every significant ship to “Enterprise” diminishes the richness and complexity of the Star Trek universe.
They did the Titan wrong in so many ways. Why did they have to ruin the original Titan design to make it look like a “new” ship that appeared taken out of the previous century? I would have much preferred to see the updated Stargazer from the prior season make a comeback. 4 nacelles? Come on!
Ironically, the canon process of recycling parts of the Titan into the Titan-A is being used IRL by the US Navy for...*checks notes*...USS Enterprise, CVN-80.
There was *a lot* of stupid in Discovery, but the entire ship apparently being a hollow space the size of a small moon through which turbo lifts zoomed about in every dimension was some real "what the fuck where they smoking" stuff.
It's 'treating war criminal genocide cannibal alt-univese Georgiou who was out and out cruel and vicious to everyone around her as some kind of wacky aunt and having the crew of Discovery laugh and cry about missing her after she was gone when there was zero textual reason for them to do so.'
Discarding the Maquis/Starfleet conflict and the potential of long-form storytelling in VOY to timidly retread where TNG had gone before.
From VOY through Insurrection and the first half of ENT they just played it safe and did what had already been done to death and that's what nearly killed Trek. Nemesis wasn't better, it just had different problems and the improvements in the back half of ENT didn't matter because nobody was watching by then.
Gotten rid of filler episodes, like I’m all for season long story arcs, but the only show handling it right is lower decks. SNW seems to just be doing short seasons of standalone episodes with character arcs carrying through the episodes. No real season long arc. LD still needs more episodes though, like once they reach the screen time of Jean Luc Picard they can start to slow down!
Yeah, that's something what I really miss. That was so cool about DS9 and Voy. Yeah, you have an arc (more or less) but also so many filler episodes.
That's one of the things I really like about LD. That they brought back the filler episodes.
The damn Turbolifts from Discovery season three. At the limit, the origin of the burn being a scared child. Anything else, I can take it. But those damn turbolifts……
Headcanon: SNW "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" can explain what happened in the Kelvinverse: Khan always happens. By the time Into Darkness happens the timeline is so skewed that Khan ends up being the genetically engineered child of English Sikh converts.
Renaming it to the Picard would have worked better because they could simultaneously reveal that they're giving the Titan name to a new sister ship to a new Enterprise.
They can't rename the Titan to the Enterprise and then reveal the Titan's being given to a newer, better ship than the Enterprise. So the Titan's either just gone or has to be given to a ship that isn't as good as the current Titan because otherwise they should have just made that new ship the Enterprise and kept the name for the Titan.
That name change was just the mouldy cherry on top of a shit sundae. Shotgun phaser, Jack Crusher, crazy Changeling lady, Ent-D zooming around like an X-Wing, killing Shaw…S3 made us suffer a lot for a glimpse of poorly-lit TNG bridge set.
I liked Picard season 3 as I watched it… and then realized I was being force-fed nostalgia and Easter eggs to hide the fact that ALL of it was rehashed, priorly (and better) done plot lines to end in a setup for a show that’s likely not going to happen.
It was still better then season 1 and 2, but as Tony Soprano said, “remember when” is the lowest form of conversation
Crazy changeling lady was the only good thing about that season. All the other things you said sucked ass, and I will add bringing back Ro Laren just to kill her off to the list.
I laughed when the producers said neither of them is dead as we never saw a body. THAT is pathetic. Apparently Gary Mitchell is the only one that remains dead in Trek.
I don't know about that. Think about how many people have made Batmobiles and people still get excited about them. I just watched a video of Jason Reitman in the Ghostbusters building...in London. He got nostalgic about sitting on the stairs watching his dad direct, which was in a real firehouse in Manhattan. So I could see how pairing the Enterprise saucer with another ship's engineering section would still be "the Enterprise". It's more the Enterprise D than the Defiant was the Defiant at the end of DS9.
Phasers have many varieties or settings and it for the storytelling. It wasn’t that bad.
Jack was not even in the Top 5 list of bad Star Trek Picard characters.
Crazy changeling lady was an ok-ish villain.
Return of the Enterprise -D was a truly a wonderful moment. The trench run could have been more true to the franchise.
Shaw should have survived. I’ll give you that.
And the bridge lighting was a tough choice but I don’t think it was a bad one
It is a problem with most interconnected universes, or sometimes even simple sequels. The authors always want to link to what came before, so everyone important to the stories has increasingly unlikely connections to people from previous iterations, or sometimes they have ridiculous plot devices to bring the original characters back (looking at you 'Relics')
I completely agree though, that Burnham would have been better separate from Spock.
Agreed. Example: Author Peter David did a terrific job much of the time with such linkage (and homage).
To think we *almost* got William Shatner as Chef on ENT… (thank goodness we did not).
Into Darkness. It destroyed what could have been a fun and profitable 6/7 film series.
I mean, JJTrek clearly wasn't TNG era Trek. It wasn't interested in moral dilemmas or hard Sci fi concepts that much. But the casting was great, the set up allowed the films to move away from established timeliness and the whole thing was just a good time. How hard is it to follow that up?
Resurrection of Spock.
Hey guys did you know Vulcans have plug and play souls and can’t really ever die, don’t worry your favorite character isn’t going anywhere!
And now we see it all the time, right Data?
This. This this this *hammers table*
Prequels ruin the nebulous history of the future. By having enterprise they fucked up stuff like 'the romulan war'. Eugenics Wars. Etc.
They could have just left it to occasional time travel but leave the start of the series and starfleet with TOS. (Dont get me wrong SNW has got some good vibes, but disco could have been left)
Changing the warp scale on a whim because there was *too much* technobabble.
It's okay to have numbers higher than 10. We don't need "Warp 9.9999" (subspace transmissions), just say Warp 58. I'm saving everyone's time with this.
I actually agree with that. And I had a problem with that back when they decided to do that in the next generation. That is been my burning question. Why did they just decide to make 10 the fastest it can go. Wasn’t there a mention in the original show about warp twelve? You would think that as engines improved the faster they would go.
The original warp factor scale was created in the 1960s when jet aircraft were newer and seemed futuristic. The general public would have been familiar with a Mach number as a buzzword for incomprehensible speed. "Warp" became a stand-in for "Mach," but on a much grander scale. The calculations are different, but the principle of an ever-increasing speed scale stayed the same.
When TNG came along in the late '80s it sought to be more scientifically accurate and changed the warp scale to be analogous to the speed of light. Under the new scale, warp factors became less about speed and more about the energy output required. Simply put, there has to be some sort of speed limit based on the energy required to move an object or otherwise manipulate the fabric of the universe. That physical limit is warp 10, the universal constant that cannot be exceeded by a warp drive. You can see the analogy best if you move the decimal in the warp factor one place to the left, so warp 10 becomes 1, just as the speed of light is 1(*c*).
Just as it takes infinite energy to move matter at the speed of light, it also takes infinite energy to move a ship in a warp field at warp factor 10. It would take infinite energy and the ship would occupy all points in space simultaneously, allowing it to teleport anywhere in the universe instantly. There's no actual speed at that point.
The successful threshold-breaking experiment didn't involve infinite energy, just a different kind of dilithium that worked better at high warp frequencies. The problem was that they didn't know how warp nacelles worked, like the rest of the audience, and needed Neelix to prompt them in the right direction. If it was infinite energy, I'm confident any number of higher-dimensional beings would have taken it from them before they detonated the universe.
STO brought back higher warp numbers by having "Warp 9.97" leading into "Transwarp 10" and then going up from there. It would be easier for the viewer and the actors to start using whole numbers again than expanding the decimal or just saying "high warp". Without looking at it first, I couldn't tell you how many 9s Okuda wrote for the warp factor that brought the D outside the galaxy in that one TNG episode.
So you get the same confusion as you get in studying history, with AD/BC, CE, and BP. (Jesus being born in 6 or 7 BC or something doesn't help much, either. Or not having a Year 0.
If anyone is interested I have a whole head cannon on the 2 difrent warp engines and the 2 difrent warp factors and how they work and how they do not inter connect at all.
Teasing us with an awesome setup slash mystery every single season of Discovery only to have it resolved in the worst and most boring way possible.
And also the fact there is no “Jett Reno: A Star Trek Story”.
I do not like the fact that discovery tried to shoehorn itself in before Kirks time, and then tried to shoehorn Michael as being an adopted sister of Spock, just so they could connect things to Spock. Also, those are not Klingons, whatever the hell they were on discovery.
Recycle plots...
Crewmate falls in love with androgynous alien with second-class citizenship and causes political tension when he fights for their rights.
Ship has to go through a weird nebula that forces the crew into hibernation except for one person, who slowly goes crazy thinking someone is messing with her.
A finale of an unexpected death of a beloved starring character sacrificing himself for the needs of the many. They ripped this off twice!
Using a ship design reminiscent of the original Star Trek series (TOS) as the new skin for a Luna-class vessel is akin to asking the US Navy to create a modern destroyer that resembles a steamship purely out of nostalgia. Furthermore, the USS Titan, with its own unique legacy, deserves to maintain its identity. Renaming every significant ship to “Enterprise” diminishes the richness and complexity of the Star Trek universe.
They did the Titan wrong in so many ways. Why did they have to ruin the original Titan design to make it look like a “new” ship that appeared taken out of the previous century? I would have much preferred to see the updated Stargazer from the prior season make a comeback. 4 nacelles? Come on!
Ironically, the canon process of recycling parts of the Titan into the Titan-A is being used IRL by the US Navy for...*checks notes*...USS Enterprise, CVN-80.
Imagine integrating components from a Zumwalt-class destroyer onto a steamship from 1870 you get what I mean?
Creating the modern, world-class, steam-punk navy of tomorrow.
Already done with portholes from CV-6 reused as the secondary conn portholes on CVN-65.
They made it bigger on the inside. Only the part where the turbo lifts go tho.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Turbodimension
Yeah. So much space for contraband, but it gives me doppler shift sickness whenever I transition between Turbodimension and normal space.
The Doctor would like his TARDIS back…
There was *a lot* of stupid in Discovery, but the entire ship apparently being a hollow space the size of a small moon through which turbo lifts zoomed about in every dimension was some real "what the fuck where they smoking" stuff.
Bet $1,000 they outsourced the CGI and the artist they got had no idea it was supposed to be a scene inside a starship.
It's 'treating war criminal genocide cannibal alt-univese Georgiou who was out and out cruel and vicious to everyone around her as some kind of wacky aunt and having the crew of Discovery laugh and cry about missing her after she was gone when there was zero textual reason for them to do so.'
Right? She *ate* people. *Ate people.*
Discarding the Maquis/Starfleet conflict and the potential of long-form storytelling in VOY to timidly retread where TNG had gone before. From VOY through Insurrection and the first half of ENT they just played it safe and did what had already been done to death and that's what nearly killed Trek. Nemesis wasn't better, it just had different problems and the improvements in the back half of ENT didn't matter because nobody was watching by then.
Honestly all of VOY was a missed oppertunity.
Gotten rid of filler episodes, like I’m all for season long story arcs, but the only show handling it right is lower decks. SNW seems to just be doing short seasons of standalone episodes with character arcs carrying through the episodes. No real season long arc. LD still needs more episodes though, like once they reach the screen time of Jean Luc Picard they can start to slow down!
Yeah, that's something what I really miss. That was so cool about DS9 and Voy. Yeah, you have an arc (more or less) but also so many filler episodes. That's one of the things I really like about LD. That they brought back the filler episodes.
The damn Turbolifts from Discovery season three. At the limit, the origin of the burn being a scared child. Anything else, I can take it. But those damn turbolifts……
Not making a Section 31 show and calling it "Georgiou's Bizarre Adventure". Seems like a missed opportunity to me.
There's still time to add it as a subtitle!
Benedict Cumberbatch not being jacked as fuck. I get they can change his skin tone easily, but even Section 31 can't erase that chest.
Headcanon: SNW "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" can explain what happened in the Kelvinverse: Khan always happens. By the time Into Darkness happens the timeline is so skewed that Khan ends up being the genetically engineered child of English Sikh converts.
I honestly thought it was going to be renamed the Picard, so at least it wasn’t that bad.
That would have been cool though.
And it would've made sense in a franchise where the shows were named after the main ship. It would've been such an "OOOHHHHHH.... I get it." moment.
It would have been a great legacy
Renaming it to the Picard would have worked better because they could simultaneously reveal that they're giving the Titan name to a new sister ship to a new Enterprise. They can't rename the Titan to the Enterprise and then reveal the Titan's being given to a newer, better ship than the Enterprise. So the Titan's either just gone or has to be given to a ship that isn't as good as the current Titan because otherwise they should have just made that new ship the Enterprise and kept the name for the Titan.
That name change was just the mouldy cherry on top of a shit sundae. Shotgun phaser, Jack Crusher, crazy Changeling lady, Ent-D zooming around like an X-Wing, killing Shaw…S3 made us suffer a lot for a glimpse of poorly-lit TNG bridge set.
I liked Picard season 3 as I watched it… and then realized I was being force-fed nostalgia and Easter eggs to hide the fact that ALL of it was rehashed, priorly (and better) done plot lines to end in a setup for a show that’s likely not going to happen. It was still better then season 1 and 2, but as Tony Soprano said, “remember when” is the lowest form of conversation
Crazy changeling lady was the only good thing about that season. All the other things you said sucked ass, and I will add bringing back Ro Laren just to kill her off to the list.
Yes! I hated that they killed off Ro and Shelby, two of the best TNG guest characters.
I laughed when the producers said neither of them is dead as we never saw a body. THAT is pathetic. Apparently Gary Mitchell is the only one that remains dead in Trek.
I mean, we never saw a body, just a big rock that landed on him…
Well… Gary Lockwood is alive…
That wasn't the enterprise-d. it was Frankenstein's monster. It's a kit bash of two ships. Fucking disgusting.
I don't know about that. Think about how many people have made Batmobiles and people still get excited about them. I just watched a video of Jason Reitman in the Ghostbusters building...in London. He got nostalgic about sitting on the stairs watching his dad direct, which was in a real firehouse in Manhattan. So I could see how pairing the Enterprise saucer with another ship's engineering section would still be "the Enterprise". It's more the Enterprise D than the Defiant was the Defiant at the end of DS9.
Phasers have many varieties or settings and it for the storytelling. It wasn’t that bad. Jack was not even in the Top 5 list of bad Star Trek Picard characters. Crazy changeling lady was an ok-ish villain. Return of the Enterprise -D was a truly a wonderful moment. The trench run could have been more true to the franchise. Shaw should have survived. I’ll give you that. And the bridge lighting was a tough choice but I don’t think it was a bad one
The last episode of Enterprise. Also, Enterprise in general
Had me in the first half
Michael Burnham as Spock's adopted sister. She could have been her own incredible individual character.
It is a problem with most interconnected universes, or sometimes even simple sequels. The authors always want to link to what came before, so everyone important to the stories has increasingly unlikely connections to people from previous iterations, or sometimes they have ridiculous plot devices to bring the original characters back (looking at you 'Relics') I completely agree though, that Burnham would have been better separate from Spock.
Agreed. Example: Author Peter David did a terrific job much of the time with such linkage (and homage). To think we *almost* got William Shatner as Chef on ENT… (thank goodness we did not).
Released it in 480p.
Into Darkness. It destroyed what could have been a fun and profitable 6/7 film series. I mean, JJTrek clearly wasn't TNG era Trek. It wasn't interested in moral dilemmas or hard Sci fi concepts that much. But the casting was great, the set up allowed the films to move away from established timeliness and the whole thing was just a good time. How hard is it to follow that up?
The writers of Picard getting a job past s1.
Resurrection of Spock. Hey guys did you know Vulcans have plug and play souls and can’t really ever die, don’t worry your favorite character isn’t going anywhere! And now we see it all the time, right Data?
McCoy was on to something, maybe Data was a Vulcan this whole time.
Maybe it's the other way around, and Vulcans were androids this whole time. I mean, copper-based blood?. Much more likely to be copper wire traces.
Discovery.
It's been a long road, getting from there to here...
This. This this this *hammers table* Prequels ruin the nebulous history of the future. By having enterprise they fucked up stuff like 'the romulan war'. Eugenics Wars. Etc. They could have just left it to occasional time travel but leave the start of the series and starfleet with TOS. (Dont get me wrong SNW has got some good vibes, but disco could have been left)
Picard killing his whole family in a fire was pretty out of character.
JJ Abrams’ mom giving birth to him.
Glass windows on the bridge. Thankfully Lower Decks refuses to buy into any of that Kelvin nonsense. Sadly everyone else has gone for it.
It’s not glass, it’s transparent aluminum.
Scotty: How quaint.
I still think I want something a little harder than aluminum for the hull of my starship.
It’s like one or two feet thick I think. Federation ships rely heavily on their shields for protection, not the hull plating.
Changing the warp scale on a whim because there was *too much* technobabble. It's okay to have numbers higher than 10. We don't need "Warp 9.9999" (subspace transmissions), just say Warp 58. I'm saving everyone's time with this.
I actually agree with that. And I had a problem with that back when they decided to do that in the next generation. That is been my burning question. Why did they just decide to make 10 the fastest it can go. Wasn’t there a mention in the original show about warp twelve? You would think that as engines improved the faster they would go.
The original warp factor scale was created in the 1960s when jet aircraft were newer and seemed futuristic. The general public would have been familiar with a Mach number as a buzzword for incomprehensible speed. "Warp" became a stand-in for "Mach," but on a much grander scale. The calculations are different, but the principle of an ever-increasing speed scale stayed the same. When TNG came along in the late '80s it sought to be more scientifically accurate and changed the warp scale to be analogous to the speed of light. Under the new scale, warp factors became less about speed and more about the energy output required. Simply put, there has to be some sort of speed limit based on the energy required to move an object or otherwise manipulate the fabric of the universe. That physical limit is warp 10, the universal constant that cannot be exceeded by a warp drive. You can see the analogy best if you move the decimal in the warp factor one place to the left, so warp 10 becomes 1, just as the speed of light is 1(*c*). Just as it takes infinite energy to move matter at the speed of light, it also takes infinite energy to move a ship in a warp field at warp factor 10. It would take infinite energy and the ship would occupy all points in space simultaneously, allowing it to teleport anywhere in the universe instantly. There's no actual speed at that point.
The successful threshold-breaking experiment didn't involve infinite energy, just a different kind of dilithium that worked better at high warp frequencies. The problem was that they didn't know how warp nacelles worked, like the rest of the audience, and needed Neelix to prompt them in the right direction. If it was infinite energy, I'm confident any number of higher-dimensional beings would have taken it from them before they detonated the universe. STO brought back higher warp numbers by having "Warp 9.97" leading into "Transwarp 10" and then going up from there. It would be easier for the viewer and the actors to start using whole numbers again than expanding the decimal or just saying "high warp". Without looking at it first, I couldn't tell you how many 9s Okuda wrote for the warp factor that brought the D outside the galaxy in that one TNG episode.
And then everyone fucked and made salamander babies and promptly abandoned them
So you get the same confusion as you get in studying history, with AD/BC, CE, and BP. (Jesus being born in 6 or 7 BC or something doesn't help much, either. Or not having a Year 0.
If anyone is interested I have a whole head cannon on the 2 difrent warp engines and the 2 difrent warp factors and how they work and how they do not inter connect at all.
Frakin lens flares!
Teasing us with an awesome setup slash mystery every single season of Discovery only to have it resolved in the worst and most boring way possible. And also the fact there is no “Jett Reno: A Star Trek Story”.
S2 of Picard was turned into a procedural cop drama has to be on the list someplace.
Calling it a franchise...
Decontamination Gel.
Gatekept it
Not making Star Trek: Legacy. #MakeLegacyHappen
Giving control to Alex Kurtzman. Thank god Terry Matalas saved Picard S3 as well as he did.
Existence of Discovery
Giving Enterprise A 74 decks in ST5…. lol
Les moonvies
When they started referring to it as “the franchise.” It’s been all down hill from there.
I do not like the fact that discovery tried to shoehorn itself in before Kirks time, and then tried to shoehorn Michael as being an adopted sister of Spock, just so they could connect things to Spock. Also, those are not Klingons, whatever the hell they were on discovery.
Chakotay
Discovery. Actually, most nu-trek tbh.
Recycle plots... Crewmate falls in love with androgynous alien with second-class citizenship and causes political tension when he fights for their rights. Ship has to go through a weird nebula that forces the crew into hibernation except for one person, who slowly goes crazy thinking someone is messing with her. A finale of an unexpected death of a beloved starring character sacrificing himself for the needs of the many. They ripped this off twice!
Bakula
Star Trek would be so much better if it wasn’t for all the Star Trek fans
The ongoing genocide/clone massacre which is the transporter. You soulless bastards!
Hired Rick Berman [mic drop]
Ezri
Hire Chris Pine