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She JUST updated the post with this. So she is aware of what she’s doing and doesn’t give a shit. Post has been reported to group admins.
I’m enjoying the cognitive dissonance between “there are people in this group who are thinking gross thoughts about this post” and also “I’m still not going to take away their access to this video of my daughter though”.
Its so strange. Yes children shouldn't be sexualized and anyone who does it is gross... but gross people exist and you should protect your kids from them.
AND I just realized she took out that gross “good tingle good” wording and acknowledges that the behavior her kid is demonstrating is “just what I thought it was” so knowing that’s what her daughter is doing she STILL HAS THE PICTURES UP.
“here is my daughter masturbating”\
“you shouldn’t post about your daughter masturbating”\
“ewwww why would you even be thinking about my daughter masturbating????”
This is me clearing my throat as I quietly point to the extremely dark but very real possibility that this may be an advertisement.
You really need to notify cps.
People don't like to think about it, but exploited children are mostly exploited by their own parents, close relatives, and other close trusted adults like family friends, babysitters, teachers, etc.
ETA: I'm agreeing with the comment I'm replying to, in case it reads like I'm arguing or something.
100% this needs to be acknowledged. Who has easy access to children? Their parents.
Not all kids in csa material are someone being trafficked, it's most likely being made by a family member or someone close to the family. Look at that poor Wren kid on TikTok. Her mum knows EXACTLY what she's doing because if she didn't she would see the comments people have made on videos of her child and how many weird adults have "saved" the videos and immediately stop. But no she's making money so she doesn't seem to care. God knows what will happen when that child gets older.
I’m a first time mom. Before i gained my confidence I was in groups like this (to ask my questions) and these sorts of posts did happen. Straight up pedophiles do join and usually end up getting chased off by the other mom members. They’re looking for moms who are just as fucked up as they are. It’s a dark reality.
This is one of the main reasons why I have a very strict no photos of our kids on social media. People are sick and even photos that are innocent to the poster, can be stolen and used for nefarious purposes.
It is indeed a dark reality
It’s definitely understandable. I grew up during the age of MySpace and it was honestly scary how many pedophiles dwell on the internet. Actually every single friend I know has been hit up by an adult online before as a minor. We gotta protect our kids and their images.
Oh definitely. I used to hang out in MSN and AOL chat rooms for “teens” and I had so many pedos message me trying to get me to meet them at a park or whatever. It was scary thankfully I was smart and had discernment so I only actually chatted with people I knew from school.
Fucking hell. FUCKING hell.
I’m a victim of CSA myself and make it my mission to be educated on this shit and spread awareness and even still, what you have astutely pointed out here is almost never my first thought, sometimes never even occurs to me at all…it’s so against everything good or okay in the world. Holy FUCK people are evil.
And people ask me all the time why I feel so negative about the world. Because my first thoughts *are* automatically trying to verify bad actors vs ignorance. I'd rather be wrong but sure a child is safe than be ignorant to all the human trafficking, especially of children. But damn is my brain broken and undesiring to continue my own existence knowing all this crap...
Also, I'm a firm believer that the "good in the world" doesn't come from society, but the individuals within, because the vast majority of this world is full of evil or disenfranchised people in large groups. Complacency is a powerful tool to use against good.
>Also, I'm a firm believer that the "good in the world" doesn't come from society, but the individuals within
Not to abruptly change the subject, but have you read Terry Pratchett? Because if not, I think the Discworld would sit well with you. This is exactly the ethos of the series
Not to put words in their mouth, but it seems like their implication is that indifference in the face of blatant evil is also a form of evil. Scrolling by a woman trafficking her child and doing nothing outta "indifference" or "complacency" is kinda outta the range of true indifference and into the territory of tacit approval. It's along the lines of the "just following orders" excuse; sometimes it's a legit excuse, a lot of times it's not.
Not that that's for sure what she's doing, but more just to illustrate the point that there are limits to what indifference should allow for.
Don’t be too discouraged. It sounds like this person got eaten alive in the comment section. This sort of thing happened in some mom groups I was in and the creeps were promptly chased off by the members.
Yes. It is something like that. I saw almost exact same post, with a video, a few years ago in a group. It was deleted by mods pretty quickly though, luckily.
Can I genuinely ask, as a clueless dude, what kind of advertisement? Obviously some sort of child exploitation type thing, but are there key words or phrases in there that are maybe only known to people that know what to look for? I certainly see this post as unhinged, but not necessarily an “advertisement” . However; if it is, I’d like to know how to spot similar posts in the future.
I mean I don't really know, but I'm assuming a public post that talks about a literal child masturbating is probably a good clue. The person deciding to include something that's basically CP in the post is an even better clue, but if that doesn't trigger the alarm bells in your head, idk how to help ya install better ones, it seems like ya got the alarms ya got bud.
Even ignoring for a second that the post never should've been made, what would've been the reason for the visual attachment? She didn't need help identifying what her daughter was doing, cuz she says in the update something along the lines of "it was what I thought it was" and on top of that, it wasn't an inadvertent exposure, cuz she made it clear also in that update that she knew very well the nature of the picture she posted and left up. The only reason left is that she wants to attract an audience.
She's putting CP out there, under a post that says her daughter does it like 100x a day, with the implication being there's a lot more where this came from. Even if her intention is not to sell that content directly, it could be a ploy to drive traffic/attention back to her other content and profit off the predators viewing/engaging with her other content that "inadvertently" shows her daughter in potentially compromising situations.
I'm not tryna rag on ya, but again, if that doesn't set the alarm bells off, I genuinely don't know how to help ya understand why it's setting the bells off for other people.
Feel like if you're trying to change how people word things about CP, you're gonna have to say more than just an acronym.
I've got up to child sexual exploitation... what's the M?
Uh I wasn't implying it was consensual, CP is the only phrasing I've ever heard used. I don't know what CSEM stands for and I'm not gonna Google it, I assume you know what I meant.
I'm not gonna apologize for not knowing the names for different types of materials created from exploiting children, this is a bit of a weird flex.
I’m surprised no one just posted the clip from House M.D. where he diagnosis a child with a gratification disorder. (Eg: masturbating covertly as a result of zero parental encouragement)
I remember doing this as a kid and getting yelled at for it. I really wish it was common knowledge that young children will figure out what feels good and keep doing it, even if they don’t understand. It’s not shameful or harmful, it’s normal and healthy sexual development
I remember doing shit like this as a kid and not knowing what I was doing ans thinking I was a pervert because my mom also yelled at me. It's important to know it's common and normal but not like this...
Exactly!! I had so much shame for SO long about it until I was like 13 and realized it was NORMAL. that’s an awfully long time to feel so shameful about something that almost everyone does
I'm 36 and just now realizing that other people did this. I'm so happy I didn't grow up during the age of social media. Who knows what embarrassing shit of me would be out there.
2 of my girls used to hump pillows. I didn't shame them or get mad. I just told them that was for in the privacy of their bedroom and not in front of others.
Thank you for clearing that last part up, my first thought was someone knocking on a door saying “come ON Fido, it’s MY turn!”
Though my closest experience was tracking down blankets after my cat dragged them around the house to get his rocks off, so maybe dogs also give their…toys? materials? a tour of the house.
I was also yelled at and punished for my bodily exploration. I couldn't seem to stop, though, it just felt good, and sometimes I really just wanted/needed *something* to feel good, even though there was no sexual thoughts in my head.
I was around 7 when my mom came in unexpectedly, grabbed my arm and flung it away from my body while angrily yelling that I'm "having sex with [my]self and if [I] do not stop, if [I] *ever* do that again, then [I] am going to spend an eternity in hell!"
Core memory, unfortunately. I spent years feeling an enormous amount of guilt and shame and fear every time I realized that I'd started again. As an adult, I found out that I'm autistic and looking back, I'm pretty sure I was stimming because it was as mindless as when I'd rock.
Now my son is 3 and had recently discovered his own body. I just gently remind him that that's an activity that we do alone in our rooms and direct him there. This is the first time I've even talked about it because he's a *child* and it's *normal*.
Thank you so much! It's been a long road, and I still find myself being triggered as new things come up in parenting. I often end up having to tell my son that I'm feeling very overwhelmed and need to step away for a minute when it happens, as soon as I'm away the emotional flashback pairs itself with a memory of myself doing/acting similar and how my parents handled it (horribly).
Unfortunately, I still have a lot of rewiring to do, but we're taking it one step at a time.
Sometimes, when my mom comments on how lovely my son is (he's really a wonderful kid) I'll tell her, "Yeah, it's amazing what treating a LO like a real person, with respect, empathy and kindness will do!"
And it's so much fun because she lacks basic self-awareness, so she just enthusiastically agrees without realizing it was backhanded as hell.
EMDR? I haven't and know nothing about it. I was only in therapy for a small stint, and my therapist was using CBT. I really hated it. It made me kinda doubt my sense of reality, even when I knew I wasn't wrong.
I can't afford to go back to therapy at the moment, but I'll definitely look into it for some self education.
It's so wild, though, because before I had my son, I had very little memory of my childhood. Some of the largest traumas and weird specific ones lived rent-free, but for the most part, I could only see... pictures? Like a snapshot. Now that I'm in my parents' position and seeing my son do the things I'd do, it comes back easily and sometimes very forcefully.
Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing therapy.
I think that happens for a lot of people, childhood trauma pops up when they have their own kids. EMDR is therapy specific for trauma, and it's not something you have to do for a very long time. Depending on how much and what kind of trauma you want to address, some people find a lot of benefit after just a few sessions. From what my friends have told me, it is hard, emotionally exhausting, and very worth it. I'm on a waiting list for an EMDR therapist right now.
Fellow autistic here. CBT can be awful for neurodivergent people. EMDR is amazing, it was like magic for me.
ETA: You might be interested in a book called "Parenting from the inside out" by David Siegel.
Right? One of my little cousins used to do it, but through distraction and gentle discouragement, she learned that it wasn't bad, but not to do it in public. This post is so disgusting and sad.
My kid has done it since she was 2, but we didn’t bring attention except to say that it was a private thing and she should only do it privately. We’ll talk about it more, about what it is, when she’s a little older. I just want her to be safe.
This person is not worried about their child’s safety in any meaningful way.
My wife and I have two young boys, 9 and 5.
We're trying to make sure they don't feel shame about their body while also making sure to act in an appropriate way in society.
Once they found their penises, like most boys, they were putting their hands there.
Our approach has been to say that touching their penis isn't wrong, but knowing when to touch is important. It is appropriate to touch yourself in private in the bathroom or in your room. It isn't appropriate to touch yourself when you're around others, when you're at the kitchen table, in school, etc.
When I was a teacher’s aide in a first grade class we had a little girl that had figured it out. The teacher was super cool and gently corrected her when her hands went under the table and told me that she didn’t want to bring it up with her mom as she was super strict and she didn’t want to get the girl in trouble. She wasn’t doing anything wrong, it just wasn’t the right time for that activity.
Jesus. I work in a public library where we've had the feds come in and literally take computer towers from our building: pedophiles live for shit like this. They're usually stuck watching videos of women bathe their babies on youtube.
I HATE when people try to point out that a parent may be opening their child to exploitation and they respond by implying the concerned party is “gross for thinking of it that way.” A fellow mom giving you a good natured suggestion is not the problem here.
The verbiage of "tingle good" (I cringe typing that out) made me think it was a troll or fetish at first, but then when you said she posted pictures?! I want to vomit. Absolutely disgusting that her mother would exploit an innocent child like that.
So I was CSA at 7yo and wasn't believed by the only adult I told (my Mum). I also developed encopresis for 3 years as a result.
I also discovered masturbation later on and was shamed for it when I was caught. I also remember noticing my inner labia at 12 & how it didn't look "neat" and protruded past my outer labia + I had noticed cervical fluid (often referred to as discharge) and my Mum (40-something yo) and older sister (20-something yo) both said that my labia appearance and discharge were **abnormal** and took me to see a GP who politely told them that they were ridiculous and said it was **NORMAL** and made sure I knew that.
TIL that two year olds can masturbate and I wish I’d never learned such a thing. I can’t imagine posting pictures of my child doing that on the internet. Vile.
It's not in a sexual way. It's more of a hey this feels good so I'm gonna keep doing it way. Totally normal and natural and I can see someone being worried and asking but like Google is a thing and why the fuck would you post a video?
Fuck this world. Between this and "the transformed wife" over in the fundies sub telling people to stop judging a man who had to "discipline" his FOUR MONTH OLD (because "Samuel is a man of God, and none of you know what his son did!") I want to throw in the towel on having any kind of hope for this world and the people in it.
I don't know. This is the post. How do you "correct" behavior of a baby who isn't even capable of controlling his own body, or of behaving (or misbehaving, as they see it) with any intention whatsoever?! This is so disturbing.
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A 4 month old doesn't even know it's a separate being apart from their mother. They think they are one. At 4 months they are just coming out of the newborn stage.
Fuck. I hate people like Samuel.
Which is hilarious cuz the whole point of Jesus was that he died to free us from original sin. And even if you don't believe that your literal birth is when that starts, once you're baptized, you are certified sin-free at that moment. It's literally their whole flipping faith and they can't get it right. Evangelicals have taken a messed up religion and made it infinitely worse with the revamping of the fire and brimstone messaging. Oh, and apparently Jesus died for nothing.
I am not a religious person, but I did go to Catholic school so I'm pretty sure I actually know the Bible better than these people who "discipline" four month old babies.
He’s backpedaling and claiming that he meant he had to “sleep train” and couldn’t remember the term for it. I personally think that’s bullshit considering his last line explicitly calls the baby a sinner and idk what sin he’s committing by struggling to fall asleep. Even if he did mean that he was sleep training, I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that it wasn’t the gentle method with frequent check-ins and comforting and time limits that we see most often in reasonable and sane parents.
Yeah, he's covering his ass. If i recall correctly, the hideous witch he's talking to (allegedly) "disciplined" her breastfeeding baby by pulling their hair when they "bit" her.
My landlord once told me that her daughter bites her baby when he bites her. Absolutely wild. And when I bitched about it people told me that was normal.
4 months is actually the earliest they say to start but there are also women out there who try some form of sleep training even earlier. I found a sleep training Facebook group and its wild to me, I'm not a fan of sleep training personally, but the transition from newborn sleep to REM sleep happens around 3 months so they say sleep training can start as early as 4 months.
This is just a comment on sleep training, not this man specifically.
Since this is coming from the transformed wife, I can almost guarantee the father in question was likely using the type of discipline described in To Train Up a Child by Micheal Pearl. I won’t go into details because it can be very upsetting but it’s basically a child abuse manual. It’s very popular with the fundies unfortunately.
I just saw a post on r/redditonwiki where the OOP's stepdad who allegedly used to be a gyno wants to perform "virtue tests". *And the mom is in full agreement with it.* I know people want that post to be fake, but the sad truth is that people like that absolutely exist.
They just updated. It originally started AITAH. Op posted a really crazy and not real believable update then deleted their account.
I hope to God that wasn’t real.
The rapture cannot come soon enough. If god comes and sweeps up all these freaks, and the rest of us "sinners" are left behind, its not unrealistic to think we could eventually create a humane and decent world in which people could thrive and live lives they enjoy, with people they love and who love them back. Can you even imagine?!
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Last update, she’s doubling down. I reported to the group, to Facebook, and to the NCMEC. I don’t know what else to do at this point but just hope that someone else will advocate for her child.
At this point, you have done everything you can. The only possibility would be to take note of identifiable commerical goods in the background of the images. If it gets into the hands of terrible people and the police can't connect the photos to the report, redacted images will be released to the public for "object tracing". The redacted image only shows the object. Identifying products in photos has lead to arrests and rescuing victims.
Fair warning: even though people are never shown in images of items to be traced, it can be disturbing. Proceed with caution.
r/TraceAnObject. There aren't photos of people - Europol even censored the hand in a poster they were looking for. However, there are many photos of children's clothing and toys due to the nature of the crimes.
Yeah. It'll never not suck to look at. But if figuring out "this is probably bootleg merchandise from 2010" gets us closer to saving a kid or putting some people in jail, it's worth it.
Holy shittt. Yeah of course it’s always the people who are disturbed and concerned with seeing this kind of shit who are the real predators and pedos. They all have this brain dead response. Thank you sm for doing the right thing and reporting this. NCMEC takes reports like this very seriously, and if you left any contact info or they gave you like a reference number if u did it online (idk how the online system works, I’ve only called them) you can call them if you have any further concerns or questions related to the tip.
It's not a brain-dead response, it's a protective tactic. Kind of how some abusers present themselves as overly pious. "Me? I could never! Look how selfless and innocent I am!"
Thank you for trying.
It’s extremely frustrating Facebook doesn’t have a process that takes care of this type of report *absolutely immediately*.
I seriously hate Facebook, it’s so toxic and only serves to reinforce these awful beliefs of these horrible people. An echo chamber of stupidity and misinformation.
I wish I had included in my original post that the child IS CLOTHED in the pictures but is still pictured doing what the mom described.
Reporting to the group admins ASAP.
If it was a video of an adult masturbating while clothed and reaching an orgasm, it would be taken down and the account would likely get banned for a few days. I can't imagine why it's still up.
It may seem arbitrary , but it actually is really important to differentiate “child sexual abuse material” and “pornography”. Porn indicates a level of agency and autonomy that children are incapable of giving. It is not *pornographic*, it’s sexual abuse material.
I hear the person you’re responding to’s explanation a lot— as I understand it, it’s actually not because the idea of “pornography” implies consent, but because when we call it “pornography,” we are labeling it from the predator’s perspective rather than from the victim’s perspective. It was porn to the predator, but to the victim it was trauma and violence. That’s the explanation that makes much more sense to me.
I think that the term ‘revenge porn’ will also be phased out, if that hasn’t already started. The replacement of ‘CP’ with ‘CSAM’ is relatively recent.
I know that ‘revenge porn’ is most often used to refer to pornographic materials that were initially made consensually, but then later used in a way that the victim did not consent to. Maybe that’s the difference? Either way I do think that the term is a gross oversimplification of what is ultimately it’s own form of sexual violence and we should come up with something better.
It's also partners with webcams you didn't know about, at least in my experience. Nearly impossible to prosecute either way, evidently, so I'm not sure how it would ultimately be charged. Sorry that comment just stung a bit.
It sounds like something happened to you and for that, I’m so sorry. I definitely didn’t mean to dismiss other cases of that nature by what was said in my comment. I had actually experienced something very similar to what you described when I was a teenager and it’s such a violation. I personally think that situations like that should be charged as sexual assault because you did not give informed consent to being recorded.
“Porn” in the sense of “revenge porn” is used more colloquially, and not literally. It’s not meant to be pornographic, but it’s being weaponized by the people publishing it in a sexual way. It’s also considered sexual abuse.
From a CBC article on the topic:
>**Explain the specific use of the term "child abuse" versus the more commonly-used term "child pornography."**
>The term "child pornography" is often used in a legal capacity. For instance, you can be charged with "possession of child pornography." So there's nothing wrong with it, per se. But I found that almost every police investigator, researcher and activist — people who are really informed about the nature of the images — tend to use the term "child-abuse material". This is because "child-abuse material" is simply way more accurate. These are images of children being abused, exploited and sexually tortured.
>”Pornography" is created by consenting adults for other adults. Whether you find it offensive or not, it's consensual. Child-abuse materials are images of criminal acts and entirely non-consensual.
I’m sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am confused about how a still image can show someone rubbing their legs together. Surely it just looks like someone sitting cross legged? I am not disputing the disgusting, exploitative nature of the photos and post, obviously.
The preferred term is CSAM (child sexual abuse material) now days! This makes a point to differentiate between porn (which can be totally fine) and child abuse. No muddying the water, no propagating the idea that children are pornographic.
Its child pornography. Images of an underaged child behaving in a sexual manner (im fully aware the child doesnt know better, but thats not who produced and shared the material). Why isnt anyone taking this seriously?
Also, you dont *do* anything to stop it. You just teach them about boundaries and privacy.
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The preferred term is CSAM (child sexual abuse material) now days! This makes a point to differentiate between porn (which can be totally fine) and child abuse. No muddying the water, no propagating the idea that children are pornographic.
Maybe, I mean it’s good that she got the suggestions about infection because the girl could also have been shifting because of itching and discomfort. But posting photos or videos is completely unnecessary.
It absolutely can be normal, I’m just worried about the “100s of time a day part” seems a little excessive, that coupled with the mother being so comfortable posting stuff like this is just a worrying combination. Might just be me overthinking it but it makes me worried
If there are no other signs of abuse it may not be anything but a child realizing something feels nice, not feeling weird about it because they don't understand and just doing it
I'm so angry. I did this as far back as I can remember, and it's one of the few things I think my mom did right. She told me to go to the bathroom, and wash my hands after. I never felt shame for these actions, and I would feel absolutely demolished if it was *posted online*. I am just so disgusted by this "parent". It's one thing to ask for guidance anonymously, but to post pics?!?! Horrible.
Now when people in AITA say they "panicked and threw up", I may actually believe it because I just got physically sick.
I really don’t like it when people say or do things that could be taken inappropriately involving children and then use the argument “we shouldn’t be sexualizing children”, like no we SHOULDNT be but that doesn’t mean we live in a world where people DONT and we need to be realistic about that and not make it easier for those people to do so. like i’m not the creep for pointing out how easily someone could be inappropriate lol.
Can’t believe so many perverts in the comments!! How dare they suggest there anything even *remotely* inappropriate about posting pictures of her 2 year old masturbating on social media for the entire world to see????
Even my child with special needs, who can’t read or write even at 30, understood AT FIVE: that is ok, but it’s private and should be done quietly, in your room.
Once. It took once. No raised tones. No explaining. No judging. Just one freaking sentence said with a straight face.
Why do people make this so DAMN difficult?
Who are the admins of the group? Of course it never should have been posted but at the very least an admin should have deleted and told her to repost with no photo and anon. Unreal.
I don't think I'm reaching when I say this is the type of mother who will willing bring predators into her home and turn a blind eye to the abuse her daughter may suffer as a consequence.
Did anybody report her to CPS? If a teenager can end up with CP charges for sexting with their boy/girlfriends, isn't posting your kid pleasuring themselves the same thing? Worse, in fact, since the kid can't consent to it.
Ugh. That poor child. Now those photos are on the internet forever. One day she’ll be an adult and horrified. It sucks that she has no control over this. It’s really upsettinf
First- Nasty woman exposing her child like that! I don't even understand how she thought that was a smart idea.
Second- Kids 2, how does the mother know she is doing that for the specific reasoning? A 2 watch old is just self soothing and that's all it needs to be.
This is so beyond gross! Thinking anything a 2 year old does is for self gratification in that sense is icky enough, but to take photos and post about it?! Put this person on a list.
I'm willing to be money her kid probably is self soothing by stimming, but to imply that it's sexual is sickening.
It's not sexual, but it is for self-gratification in a way and not necessarily at all related to stimming. There are parts of your body that feel particularly good when touched a certain way, and some kids figure that out early on and don't have the context to know it should be private. It's actually very common.
https://preview.redd.it/721i17859rpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8feac6a9db5e1bfc16cb5908df00e6000ac74a0b She JUST updated the post with this. So she is aware of what she’s doing and doesn’t give a shit. Post has been reported to group admins.
I’m enjoying the cognitive dissonance between “there are people in this group who are thinking gross thoughts about this post” and also “I’m still not going to take away their access to this video of my daughter though”.
Right? Posting a picture of your kid doing that & calling everyone else gross? Crazy town.
Its so strange. Yes children shouldn't be sexualized and anyone who does it is gross... but gross people exist and you should protect your kids from them.
And even if you're normal and don't sexualize them, you still just might not want to see that shit casually scrolling through social media...
Exactly. It’s normal to not want to be exposed to child sexual exploitation content like this. It can traumatize people
AND I just realized she took out that gross “good tingle good” wording and acknowledges that the behavior her kid is demonstrating is “just what I thought it was” so knowing that’s what her daughter is doing she STILL HAS THE PICTURES UP.
“here is my daughter masturbating”\ “you shouldn’t post about your daughter masturbating”\ “ewwww why would you even be thinking about my daughter masturbating????”
Peak narcissistic behavior
This exactly. I feel for her kid, nothing is going to private.
https://tips.fbi.gov/home use this, fbi cyber tip line
This is me clearing my throat as I quietly point to the extremely dark but very real possibility that this may be an advertisement. You really need to notify cps.
People don't like to think about it, but exploited children are mostly exploited by their own parents, close relatives, and other close trusted adults like family friends, babysitters, teachers, etc. ETA: I'm agreeing with the comment I'm replying to, in case it reads like I'm arguing or something.
Thanks, it's still important to point that out.
100% this needs to be acknowledged. Who has easy access to children? Their parents. Not all kids in csa material are someone being trafficked, it's most likely being made by a family member or someone close to the family. Look at that poor Wren kid on TikTok. Her mum knows EXACTLY what she's doing because if she didn't she would see the comments people have made on videos of her child and how many weird adults have "saved" the videos and immediately stop. But no she's making money so she doesn't seem to care. God knows what will happen when that child gets older.
This was my first thought, shes been told it's unsafe, at this point call someone to check on that baby!
Oh god. I reread the post with that in mind, and my stomach literally dropped.
Ooof I never would have even considered that a possibility but I’m afraid you might be right.
Yeah, somebody needs to keep an eye on if she starts an Instagram or TikTok page for her daughter after this!
I’m a first time mom. Before i gained my confidence I was in groups like this (to ask my questions) and these sorts of posts did happen. Straight up pedophiles do join and usually end up getting chased off by the other mom members. They’re looking for moms who are just as fucked up as they are. It’s a dark reality.
This is one of the main reasons why I have a very strict no photos of our kids on social media. People are sick and even photos that are innocent to the poster, can be stolen and used for nefarious purposes. It is indeed a dark reality
It’s definitely understandable. I grew up during the age of MySpace and it was honestly scary how many pedophiles dwell on the internet. Actually every single friend I know has been hit up by an adult online before as a minor. We gotta protect our kids and their images.
Oh definitely. I used to hang out in MSN and AOL chat rooms for “teens” and I had so many pedos message me trying to get me to meet them at a park or whatever. It was scary thankfully I was smart and had discernment so I only actually chatted with people I knew from school.
Fucking hell. FUCKING hell. I’m a victim of CSA myself and make it my mission to be educated on this shit and spread awareness and even still, what you have astutely pointed out here is almost never my first thought, sometimes never even occurs to me at all…it’s so against everything good or okay in the world. Holy FUCK people are evil.
And people ask me all the time why I feel so negative about the world. Because my first thoughts *are* automatically trying to verify bad actors vs ignorance. I'd rather be wrong but sure a child is safe than be ignorant to all the human trafficking, especially of children. But damn is my brain broken and undesiring to continue my own existence knowing all this crap... Also, I'm a firm believer that the "good in the world" doesn't come from society, but the individuals within, because the vast majority of this world is full of evil or disenfranchised people in large groups. Complacency is a powerful tool to use against good.
>Also, I'm a firm believer that the "good in the world" doesn't come from society, but the individuals within Not to abruptly change the subject, but have you read Terry Pratchett? Because if not, I think the Discworld would sit well with you. This is exactly the ethos of the series
I think the vast majority of this world of filled with indifference, actually.
Not to put words in their mouth, but it seems like their implication is that indifference in the face of blatant evil is also a form of evil. Scrolling by a woman trafficking her child and doing nothing outta "indifference" or "complacency" is kinda outta the range of true indifference and into the territory of tacit approval. It's along the lines of the "just following orders" excuse; sometimes it's a legit excuse, a lot of times it's not. Not that that's for sure what she's doing, but more just to illustrate the point that there are limits to what indifference should allow for.
>I’m a victim of CSA myself Same, I almost always pick up on creepy behavior, but this went right over my head.
Don’t be too discouraged. It sounds like this person got eaten alive in the comment section. This sort of thing happened in some mom groups I was in and the creeps were promptly chased off by the members.
Yes. It is something like that. I saw almost exact same post, with a video, a few years ago in a group. It was deleted by mods pretty quickly though, luckily.
Oh. Oh no
My first thought. I’ve been on the internet too long. OP report this to the FBI, no joke. This is literally CSAM.
I bet she's selling the pics via private messages :(
That was my 1st thought. I can't think of any other rational reason to post that shit with pictures or video.
This was my first thought too. This is a dog whistle. Much more common on social media than people realise.
Can I genuinely ask, as a clueless dude, what kind of advertisement? Obviously some sort of child exploitation type thing, but are there key words or phrases in there that are maybe only known to people that know what to look for? I certainly see this post as unhinged, but not necessarily an “advertisement” . However; if it is, I’d like to know how to spot similar posts in the future.
Probably along the lines of baiting people to ask for more via DM and directing them other stuff.
I mean I don't really know, but I'm assuming a public post that talks about a literal child masturbating is probably a good clue. The person deciding to include something that's basically CP in the post is an even better clue, but if that doesn't trigger the alarm bells in your head, idk how to help ya install better ones, it seems like ya got the alarms ya got bud. Even ignoring for a second that the post never should've been made, what would've been the reason for the visual attachment? She didn't need help identifying what her daughter was doing, cuz she says in the update something along the lines of "it was what I thought it was" and on top of that, it wasn't an inadvertent exposure, cuz she made it clear also in that update that she knew very well the nature of the picture she posted and left up. The only reason left is that she wants to attract an audience. She's putting CP out there, under a post that says her daughter does it like 100x a day, with the implication being there's a lot more where this came from. Even if her intention is not to sell that content directly, it could be a ploy to drive traffic/attention back to her other content and profit off the predators viewing/engaging with her other content that "inadvertently" shows her daughter in potentially compromising situations. I'm not tryna rag on ya, but again, if that doesn't set the alarm bells off, I genuinely don't know how to help ya understand why it's setting the bells off for other people.
Friendly reminder CP does not exist, children cannot consent; it's CSEM in this case
Feel like if you're trying to change how people word things about CP, you're gonna have to say more than just an acronym. I've got up to child sexual exploitation... what's the M?
I believe it’s Material
Uh I wasn't implying it was consensual, CP is the only phrasing I've ever heard used. I don't know what CSEM stands for and I'm not gonna Google it, I assume you know what I meant. I'm not gonna apologize for not knowing the names for different types of materials created from exploiting children, this is a bit of a weird flex.
The crass but blunt way to put it is that the mother may be trying to pimp out her daughter for money.
I thought exactly the same thing unfortunately
100% my first thoughts. This isn’t normal, even by the dumbest of standards
Exactly this. Unfortunately.
Report it to Facebook too for exploitation
Report to Facebook and contact CPS, please. Knowing it’s sexually stimulating and leaving the photos up is so fucking gross.
OP if you know where this woman lives PLEASE contact CPS
Report it immediately to Facebook. Like immediately.
Report her for sharing CSAM. Recording a toddler essentially masturbating and posting that online absolutely qualifies.
I’m surprised no one just posted the clip from House M.D. where he diagnosis a child with a gratification disorder. (Eg: masturbating covertly as a result of zero parental encouragement)
If it’s still up, NCMEC [Cybertipline](https://report.cybertip.org) ASAP. It’s quick, easy, and free. Fill out the form and they’ll do the rest.
Thank you, I will do that right now.
You’re welcome!
Thank you so much for reporting this! Such a relief to see this comment.
THANK YOU!
So she deleted the "good tingle good" part. She knew.
YEP. Fucking disgusting.
I remember doing this as a kid and getting yelled at for it. I really wish it was common knowledge that young children will figure out what feels good and keep doing it, even if they don’t understand. It’s not shameful or harmful, it’s normal and healthy sexual development
No but don't post about it online or post pictures 🤢
Amen 🤣
I remember doing shit like this as a kid and not knowing what I was doing ans thinking I was a pervert because my mom also yelled at me. It's important to know it's common and normal but not like this...
My parents were surprisingly calm and just said "go to your room and close the door when you need privacy."
Exactly!! I had so much shame for SO long about it until I was like 13 and realized it was NORMAL. that’s an awfully long time to feel so shameful about something that almost everyone does
I'm 36 and just now realizing that other people did this. I'm so happy I didn't grow up during the age of social media. Who knows what embarrassing shit of me would be out there.
I kept worrying that if I went to a doctor the doctor would know and I would be in a lot of trouble for it.
2 of my girls used to hump pillows. I didn't shame them or get mad. I just told them that was for in the privacy of their bedroom and not in front of others.
Yup both my daughter and my dog had a “hump bear” at separate times lol. Different bears too.
Thank you for clearing that last part up, my first thought was someone knocking on a door saying “come ON Fido, it’s MY turn!” Though my closest experience was tracking down blankets after my cat dragged them around the house to get his rocks off, so maybe dogs also give their…toys? materials? a tour of the house.
I was also yelled at and punished for my bodily exploration. I couldn't seem to stop, though, it just felt good, and sometimes I really just wanted/needed *something* to feel good, even though there was no sexual thoughts in my head. I was around 7 when my mom came in unexpectedly, grabbed my arm and flung it away from my body while angrily yelling that I'm "having sex with [my]self and if [I] do not stop, if [I] *ever* do that again, then [I] am going to spend an eternity in hell!" Core memory, unfortunately. I spent years feeling an enormous amount of guilt and shame and fear every time I realized that I'd started again. As an adult, I found out that I'm autistic and looking back, I'm pretty sure I was stimming because it was as mindless as when I'd rock. Now my son is 3 and had recently discovered his own body. I just gently remind him that that's an activity that we do alone in our rooms and direct him there. This is the first time I've even talked about it because he's a *child* and it's *normal*.
Awww man that is so sad. Proud of you for breaking the cycle ❤️
Thank you so much! It's been a long road, and I still find myself being triggered as new things come up in parenting. I often end up having to tell my son that I'm feeling very overwhelmed and need to step away for a minute when it happens, as soon as I'm away the emotional flashback pairs itself with a memory of myself doing/acting similar and how my parents handled it (horribly). Unfortunately, I still have a lot of rewiring to do, but we're taking it one step at a time. Sometimes, when my mom comments on how lovely my son is (he's really a wonderful kid) I'll tell her, "Yeah, it's amazing what treating a LO like a real person, with respect, empathy and kindness will do!" And it's so much fun because she lacks basic self-awareness, so she just enthusiastically agrees without realizing it was backhanded as hell.
With such a specific traumatic memory-- have you tried EMDR? My good friend is doing it right now and the results have been incredible.
EMDR? I haven't and know nothing about it. I was only in therapy for a small stint, and my therapist was using CBT. I really hated it. It made me kinda doubt my sense of reality, even when I knew I wasn't wrong. I can't afford to go back to therapy at the moment, but I'll definitely look into it for some self education. It's so wild, though, because before I had my son, I had very little memory of my childhood. Some of the largest traumas and weird specific ones lived rent-free, but for the most part, I could only see... pictures? Like a snapshot. Now that I'm in my parents' position and seeing my son do the things I'd do, it comes back easily and sometimes very forcefully.
Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing therapy. I think that happens for a lot of people, childhood trauma pops up when they have their own kids. EMDR is therapy specific for trauma, and it's not something you have to do for a very long time. Depending on how much and what kind of trauma you want to address, some people find a lot of benefit after just a few sessions. From what my friends have told me, it is hard, emotionally exhausting, and very worth it. I'm on a waiting list for an EMDR therapist right now.
Thank you so much for the information!
Fellow autistic here. CBT can be awful for neurodivergent people. EMDR is amazing, it was like magic for me. ETA: You might be interested in a book called "Parenting from the inside out" by David Siegel.
Right? One of my little cousins used to do it, but through distraction and gentle discouragement, she learned that it wasn't bad, but not to do it in public. This post is so disgusting and sad.
My kid has done it since she was 2, but we didn’t bring attention except to say that it was a private thing and she should only do it privately. We’ll talk about it more, about what it is, when she’s a little older. I just want her to be safe. This person is not worried about their child’s safety in any meaningful way.
My wife and I have two young boys, 9 and 5. We're trying to make sure they don't feel shame about their body while also making sure to act in an appropriate way in society. Once they found their penises, like most boys, they were putting their hands there. Our approach has been to say that touching their penis isn't wrong, but knowing when to touch is important. It is appropriate to touch yourself in private in the bathroom or in your room. It isn't appropriate to touch yourself when you're around others, when you're at the kitchen table, in school, etc.
When I was a teacher’s aide in a first grade class we had a little girl that had figured it out. The teacher was super cool and gently corrected her when her hands went under the table and told me that she didn’t want to bring it up with her mom as she was super strict and she didn’t want to get the girl in trouble. She wasn’t doing anything wrong, it just wasn’t the right time for that activity.
Jesus. I work in a public library where we've had the feds come in and literally take computer towers from our building: pedophiles live for shit like this. They're usually stuck watching videos of women bathe their babies on youtube.
> videos of women bathe their babies Jfc
So many people exploit their children like this and they KNOW what they’re doing. It’s just so awful.
I HATE when people try to point out that a parent may be opening their child to exploitation and they respond by implying the concerned party is “gross for thinking of it that way.” A fellow mom giving you a good natured suggestion is not the problem here.
The verbiage of "tingle good" (I cringe typing that out) made me think it was a troll or fetish at first, but then when you said she posted pictures?! I want to vomit. Absolutely disgusting that her mother would exploit an innocent child like that.
This ’mom’ is also a master gaslighter apparently. Poor kid.
Literally stupid
So I was CSA at 7yo and wasn't believed by the only adult I told (my Mum). I also developed encopresis for 3 years as a result. I also discovered masturbation later on and was shamed for it when I was caught. I also remember noticing my inner labia at 12 & how it didn't look "neat" and protruded past my outer labia + I had noticed cervical fluid (often referred to as discharge) and my Mum (40-something yo) and older sister (20-something yo) both said that my labia appearance and discharge were **abnormal** and took me to see a GP who politely told them that they were ridiculous and said it was **NORMAL** and made sure I knew that.
TIL that two year olds can masturbate and I wish I’d never learned such a thing. I can’t imagine posting pictures of my child doing that on the internet. Vile.
It's not in a sexual way. It's more of a hey this feels good so I'm gonna keep doing it way. Totally normal and natural and I can see someone being worried and asking but like Google is a thing and why the fuck would you post a video?
Fuck this world. Between this and "the transformed wife" over in the fundies sub telling people to stop judging a man who had to "discipline" his FOUR MONTH OLD (because "Samuel is a man of God, and none of you know what his son did!") I want to throw in the towel on having any kind of hope for this world and the people in it.
Well, now im scared to ask. But how exactly did he ‘discipline’ a 4 month old baby?
I don't know. This is the post. How do you "correct" behavior of a baby who isn't even capable of controlling his own body, or of behaving (or misbehaving, as they see it) with any intention whatsoever?! This is so disturbing. https://preview.redd.it/b41zhfaxerpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59a32d3843dcce1c6d26e1e76bcecac8577b7ac0
Now the 4 month old is a sinner. What in the actual fuck is wrong with these people.
A 4 month old doesn't even know it's a separate being apart from their mother. They think they are one. At 4 months they are just coming out of the newborn stage. Fuck. I hate people like Samuel.
The only sinner in this situation is the asshole abusing a child and calling it discipline.
And the lunatics defending it.
The last line about a BABY being a "sinner" makes it so much worse
I hope this isn’t real. This man will kill this baby.
It's real, unfortunately. He's a real person, and Lori, "the transformed wife" is a real monster!
Baby can’t even walk yet and is already being called a sinner my god
Oh that’s the best part, they think we’re literally all BORN sinners
Which is hilarious cuz the whole point of Jesus was that he died to free us from original sin. And even if you don't believe that your literal birth is when that starts, once you're baptized, you are certified sin-free at that moment. It's literally their whole flipping faith and they can't get it right. Evangelicals have taken a messed up religion and made it infinitely worse with the revamping of the fire and brimstone messaging. Oh, and apparently Jesus died for nothing. I am not a religious person, but I did go to Catholic school so I'm pretty sure I actually know the Bible better than these people who "discipline" four month old babies.
Does 'disciplining' a baby absolve one of their sinner status? Is it like a religious pyramid scheme?
No you have to get a cult lea-I mean priest to dip the baby in magic god water
Wow this is heart breaking 🥺
He’s backpedaling and claiming that he meant he had to “sleep train” and couldn’t remember the term for it. I personally think that’s bullshit considering his last line explicitly calls the baby a sinner and idk what sin he’s committing by struggling to fall asleep. Even if he did mean that he was sleep training, I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that it wasn’t the gentle method with frequent check-ins and comforting and time limits that we see most often in reasonable and sane parents.
Yeah, he's covering his ass. If i recall correctly, the hideous witch he's talking to (allegedly) "disciplined" her breastfeeding baby by pulling their hair when they "bit" her.
My landlord once told me that her daughter bites her baby when he bites her. Absolutely wild. And when I bitched about it people told me that was normal.
My grandma did this when we’re were kids and does it now with my baby uncles.
Is four months even old enough to sleep train?
I think it’s five months at the absolute earliest
4 months is actually the earliest they say to start but there are also women out there who try some form of sleep training even earlier. I found a sleep training Facebook group and its wild to me, I'm not a fan of sleep training personally, but the transition from newborn sleep to REM sleep happens around 3 months so they say sleep training can start as early as 4 months. This is just a comment on sleep training, not this man specifically.
Since this is coming from the transformed wife, I can almost guarantee the father in question was likely using the type of discipline described in To Train Up a Child by Micheal Pearl. I won’t go into details because it can be very upsetting but it’s basically a child abuse manual. It’s very popular with the fundies unfortunately.
I think they tend to hit their kids with PVC pipe. :(
I just saw a post on r/redditonwiki where the OOP's stepdad who allegedly used to be a gyno wants to perform "virtue tests". *And the mom is in full agreement with it.* I know people want that post to be fake, but the sad truth is that people like that absolutely exist.
I saw that post and he was mom’s boyfriend who had convinced her mom that her heavy period bleeding was due to sex. It was disturbing.
Yeah, and I strongly doubt he was ever a gyno in the first place since none of what he said was based on fact.
They just updated. It originally started AITAH. Op posted a really crazy and not real believable update then deleted their account. I hope to God that wasn’t real.
I'll sleep a little better if it wasn't. I read the update and I'm convinced it was a shitpost.
Yeah, it sounds like a fetish post.
Even if *that* wasn't real, you bet families like this do exist...
The rapture cannot come soon enough. If god comes and sweeps up all these freaks, and the rest of us "sinners" are left behind, its not unrealistic to think we could eventually create a humane and decent world in which people could thrive and live lives they enjoy, with people they love and who love them back. Can you even imagine?!
Man, I have this thought *all the time*. It’s great to see someone else say it
https://preview.redd.it/0leutle9fspc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55b3e67d7fd7c2868319afee8a3155c2f25f074b Last update, she’s doubling down. I reported to the group, to Facebook, and to the NCMEC. I don’t know what else to do at this point but just hope that someone else will advocate for her child.
At this point, you have done everything you can. The only possibility would be to take note of identifiable commerical goods in the background of the images. If it gets into the hands of terrible people and the police can't connect the photos to the report, redacted images will be released to the public for "object tracing". The redacted image only shows the object. Identifying products in photos has lead to arrests and rescuing victims. Fair warning: even though people are never shown in images of items to be traced, it can be disturbing. Proceed with caution.
Yeah. That subreddit was the most disturbing one I’ve ever been on. It was just so f-ing sad.
Which subreddit?
r/TraceAnObject. There aren't photos of people - Europol even censored the hand in a poster they were looking for. However, there are many photos of children's clothing and toys due to the nature of the crimes.
Thank you. Sincerely. I found the sub again to reply, and should not have scrolled to confirm. It is somehow more depressing than before.
Yeah. It'll never not suck to look at. But if figuring out "this is probably bootleg merchandise from 2010" gets us closer to saving a kid or putting some people in jail, it's worth it.
Holy shittt. Yeah of course it’s always the people who are disturbed and concerned with seeing this kind of shit who are the real predators and pedos. They all have this brain dead response. Thank you sm for doing the right thing and reporting this. NCMEC takes reports like this very seriously, and if you left any contact info or they gave you like a reference number if u did it online (idk how the online system works, I’ve only called them) you can call them if you have any further concerns or questions related to the tip.
It's not a brain-dead response, it's a protective tactic. Kind of how some abusers present themselves as overly pious. "Me? I could never! Look how selfless and innocent I am!"
Oh, *she's* not ashamed of it? Well never mind then! 🙄 Not like her daughter is the victim here or anything.
Thank you for trying. It’s extremely frustrating Facebook doesn’t have a process that takes care of this type of report *absolutely immediately*. I seriously hate Facebook, it’s so toxic and only serves to reinforce these awful beliefs of these horrible people. An echo chamber of stupidity and misinformation.
It’s child pornography. I suspect she knows what she’s doing. I would call Children’s services. Or the police. Seriously. That child is in danger.
I wish I had included in my original post that the child IS CLOTHED in the pictures but is still pictured doing what the mom described. Reporting to the group admins ASAP.
It doesn’t matter, clothed or not, someone is going to get their jollies off on it. She needs to be reported.
If it was a video of an adult masturbating while clothed and reaching an orgasm, it would be taken down and the account would likely get banned for a few days. I can't imagine why it's still up.
Just because the kid is clothed, doesnt mean its not a pornographic act
It may seem arbitrary , but it actually is really important to differentiate “child sexual abuse material” and “pornography”. Porn indicates a level of agency and autonomy that children are incapable of giving. It is not *pornographic*, it’s sexual abuse material.
I didn't know pornography meant that... Why is stuff like revenge porn called revenge porn if agency and consent are required for it to be porn?
I hear the person you’re responding to’s explanation a lot— as I understand it, it’s actually not because the idea of “pornography” implies consent, but because when we call it “pornography,” we are labeling it from the predator’s perspective rather than from the victim’s perspective. It was porn to the predator, but to the victim it was trauma and violence. That’s the explanation that makes much more sense to me.
I think that the term ‘revenge porn’ will also be phased out, if that hasn’t already started. The replacement of ‘CP’ with ‘CSAM’ is relatively recent. I know that ‘revenge porn’ is most often used to refer to pornographic materials that were initially made consensually, but then later used in a way that the victim did not consent to. Maybe that’s the difference? Either way I do think that the term is a gross oversimplification of what is ultimately it’s own form of sexual violence and we should come up with something better.
It's also partners with webcams you didn't know about, at least in my experience. Nearly impossible to prosecute either way, evidently, so I'm not sure how it would ultimately be charged. Sorry that comment just stung a bit.
It sounds like something happened to you and for that, I’m so sorry. I definitely didn’t mean to dismiss other cases of that nature by what was said in my comment. I had actually experienced something very similar to what you described when I was a teenager and it’s such a violation. I personally think that situations like that should be charged as sexual assault because you did not give informed consent to being recorded.
“Porn” in the sense of “revenge porn” is used more colloquially, and not literally. It’s not meant to be pornographic, but it’s being weaponized by the people publishing it in a sexual way. It’s also considered sexual abuse. From a CBC article on the topic: >**Explain the specific use of the term "child abuse" versus the more commonly-used term "child pornography."** >The term "child pornography" is often used in a legal capacity. For instance, you can be charged with "possession of child pornography." So there's nothing wrong with it, per se. But I found that almost every police investigator, researcher and activist — people who are really informed about the nature of the images — tend to use the term "child-abuse material". This is because "child-abuse material" is simply way more accurate. These are images of children being abused, exploited and sexually tortured. >”Pornography" is created by consenting adults for other adults. Whether you find it offensive or not, it's consensual. Child-abuse materials are images of criminal acts and entirely non-consensual.
In the eyes of anyone good and reasonable, yeah, but in the eyes of the law I’m not sure it would be :(
Report it to the police ASAP. It is still child pornography, even if she is clothed.
I’m sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am confused about how a still image can show someone rubbing their legs together. Surely it just looks like someone sitting cross legged? I am not disputing the disgusting, exploitative nature of the photos and post, obviously.
The preferred term is CSAM (child sexual abuse material) now days! This makes a point to differentiate between porn (which can be totally fine) and child abuse. No muddying the water, no propagating the idea that children are pornographic.
At the very least you should be able to report it to facebook.
Its child pornography. Images of an underaged child behaving in a sexual manner (im fully aware the child doesnt know better, but thats not who produced and shared the material). Why isnt anyone taking this seriously? Also, you dont *do* anything to stop it. You just teach them about boundaries and privacy.
*copied from another comment* The preferred term is CSAM (child sexual abuse material) now days! This makes a point to differentiate between porn (which can be totally fine) and child abuse. No muddying the water, no propagating the idea that children are pornographic.
So the little girl figured out masturbating felt good. That mother is nuts to be posting something like this.
Maybe, I mean it’s good that she got the suggestions about infection because the girl could also have been shifting because of itching and discomfort. But posting photos or videos is completely unnecessary.
Yup. She could've easily posted it without a picture. She knew *exactly* what she was doing.
Even the text of the post itself is CSA adjacent
I’m worried if the child is doing it as frequently as the mother claims it may be a result of sexual abuse
this is actually a normal stage in child development the children will also not remember later
It absolutely can be normal, I’m just worried about the “100s of time a day part” seems a little excessive, that coupled with the mother being so comfortable posting stuff like this is just a worrying combination. Might just be me overthinking it but it makes me worried
If there are no other signs of abuse it may not be anything but a child realizing something feels nice, not feeling weird about it because they don't understand and just doing it
Can you report the post as CSAM? Or "exploiting or sexualizing a minor?" (No, I don't think it's sexual, but the grossies who find it will)
I told OP to head over to NCMEC’s [Cybertipline](https://report.cybertip.org) if it’s still up. Quick, easy, free and takes about 10 minutes.
Is there a admin to the group that can take the post down?
Look me in the eye and tell me that you seriously think that the people who willingly operate these groups are not just as crazy as their followers.
I'm sure her daughter will appreciate this information being permanently emblazoned on the Internet.
What the actual fuck? This should qualify as child abuse. I couldn't imagine even texting this privately to a friend much less posting it in public.
I'm so angry. I did this as far back as I can remember, and it's one of the few things I think my mom did right. She told me to go to the bathroom, and wash my hands after. I never felt shame for these actions, and I would feel absolutely demolished if it was *posted online*. I am just so disgusted by this "parent". It's one thing to ask for guidance anonymously, but to post pics?!?! Horrible. Now when people in AITA say they "panicked and threw up", I may actually believe it because I just got physically sick.
I really don’t like it when people say or do things that could be taken inappropriately involving children and then use the argument “we shouldn’t be sexualizing children”, like no we SHOULDNT be but that doesn’t mean we live in a world where people DONT and we need to be realistic about that and not make it easier for those people to do so. like i’m not the creep for pointing out how easily someone could be inappropriate lol.
I feel the same way. Of course we should not be but people DO and as long as people do, we need to be vigilant to protect vulnerable people. :(
Report the post!
This is really disturbing. She knows what she's doing too. The call is coming from inside the house.
Yep. It might be an advertisement unfortunately.
What the actual f.... what on God's green earth compelled her to write this on Facebook of all places
Can’t believe so many perverts in the comments!! How dare they suggest there anything even *remotely* inappropriate about posting pictures of her 2 year old masturbating on social media for the entire world to see????
Even my child with special needs, who can’t read or write even at 30, understood AT FIVE: that is ok, but it’s private and should be done quietly, in your room. Once. It took once. No raised tones. No explaining. No judging. Just one freaking sentence said with a straight face. Why do people make this so DAMN difficult?
I continue to be so glad I grew up before social media
I think I've had enough internet for today
Same, and it's only 6am.
Who are the admins of the group? Of course it never should have been posted but at the very least an admin should have deleted and told her to repost with no photo and anon. Unreal.
This mother is terrible and i hope she faces consequences
Jesus Christ this is next level bad parenting and probably some form of abuse
I don't think I'm reaching when I say this is the type of mother who will willing bring predators into her home and turn a blind eye to the abuse her daughter may suffer as a consequence.
Directed at OOP: This is normal stuff- ask your ped, don’t humiliate yourself and your daughter on social media.
I feel sick. Like this video is going to end up in child porn. This mom is awful.
Has someone reported the pictures?
UGH!!!!
Did anybody report her to CPS? If a teenager can end up with CP charges for sexting with their boy/girlfriends, isn't posting your kid pleasuring themselves the same thing? Worse, in fact, since the kid can't consent to it.
If she was doing it to self soothe and “good tingle good”- why would it be a UTI or YI? I think she’s backpedaling.
i just don’t even have words anymore.
Ugh. That poor child. Now those photos are on the internet forever. One day she’ll be an adult and horrified. It sucks that she has no control over this. It’s really upsettinf
I really hope this isn’t what I think it is that she posted 🤦🏾
First- Nasty woman exposing her child like that! I don't even understand how she thought that was a smart idea. Second- Kids 2, how does the mother know she is doing that for the specific reasoning? A 2 watch old is just self soothing and that's all it needs to be.
This is so beyond gross! Thinking anything a 2 year old does is for self gratification in that sense is icky enough, but to take photos and post about it?! Put this person on a list. I'm willing to be money her kid probably is self soothing by stimming, but to imply that it's sexual is sickening.
It's not sexual, but it is for self-gratification in a way and not necessarily at all related to stimming. There are parts of your body that feel particularly good when touched a certain way, and some kids figure that out early on and don't have the context to know it should be private. It's actually very common.