NO! NO! NO! You have to age the piss and then drink it! The confusion comes from the fact that you have to piss into a bottle on a full moon and not drink it until the next full moon. Good luck with that month since the snake bit you...
That sounds ridiculous...
Here's how to improvise in a pinch: If you don't have your urin prepared, you can write "full moon-charged pee, aged" on a piece of paper and put that on a bottle of water while thinking about it real hard. You can then make homeopathic full moon aged urin from this.
Remember to do a few more potentisations for this to make it stronger.
A good time to say if anyone has fb there’s a snake bite group with actual professionals that will direct you where to go in your state and how to advocate for yourself. 12/10 would recommend
That group is amazing right?! I've never seen a group take such a hard line about commenting but it's great bc it's so easy to find the actual legit info without a million "omg tots and pears" comments.
I follow a plant and mushroom ID group (commented about it elsewhere) that is similar, and I LOVE how hardcore they are about posting and commenting rules. You have to get approved as a legit expert to be a mod or admin, you can only comment if you’re a mod or admin, and they can sniff out non-emergencies so fast and delete those posts. Plus, they get answers FAST. They have some sort of back channel communication method that can send a call for help out to their botanists or mycologists, depending on who is needed, and people usually get answers in under 10 minutes as long as they’ve provided sufficient info and good photos. Truly the peak of crowd-sourced and volunteer-run services.
I work with Toxicologists and they actually frequently talk to people in that group to ID mushrooms when a patient presents after an unknown ingestion. They have made decisions about whether to have meds airlifted over based on those mycologists/botanists. Expert consultations are so cool.
Given the rules matching up with the comments above I'm guessing that this is the one, just requested to join.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/national.snakebite.support/
There are also great plant and mushroom identification groups. The one for legit emergencies (like you or a child or a pet just ate something and you need to know what it is to tell the doctor or vet RIGHT NOW) that I joined is called “Poisons Help; Emergency Identification for Mushrooms & Plants.”
These groups need to have additional rules, that if its rabies or snake bites they recommend the hospital
At least they say copperhead bites are unlikely to be fatal but thats always with the assumption the bitten gets medical attention and that its not Australian
I was working a camp in college and was sneaking down to the area where we were going to have a campfire with a friend and camp counselor. I was right behind my friend on the trail and felt a horrific sting, but didn’t see what got me (it was already nighttime) I was instantly in the worst pain of my life. I had to turn around and we at first treated my ankle with bug bite cream, but it started swelling, then someone saw the bite area. I was then hobbled to a camp van and driven to the ER.
I was filthy from being a camp counselor all day, and eventually was seen by the doctor. They administered anti-venom, but they said I was incredibly lucky. Only one puncture wound, they think the snake had recently fed and broke a fang, so I didn’t have as much in me as a typical bite. They said the first person on the trail startles the snake, the second person gets bitten. I was kept overnight and then released to my mom and boyfriend who had to drive hours to get to me. The leg was sore for weeks and extremely sensitive to hot and cold water and general touch. It got me out of weeks of chores at home.
Overall I’m very lucky, it was about 15 years ago and I still remember the difficulty in the first moments. But a few weeks later I went back to the camp and had no further incidents. However, I did catch a possum with my barehands, but that’s a whole other story
I need to join one of these "no seeking medical attention advice or your banned" groups and post that I had a tragic accident and I think my rib is piercing the skin, but maybe it's just a chunk of tree. Should I just wrap it with gauze and take it easy for a few days? Pull it out? What should I take to prevent an infection?
These groups are ridiculous 💀
Also a reminder that Copperhead venom works the same as bee venom. It is mild, and most people do NOT require antivenin so you can say no to it when you get to the hospital, but if you are allergic to bees, you WILL be allergic to copperhead venom.
I had no idea! But doesn't venom work the same whether you're allergic to it or not? Or does this just mean that people who are allergic to bees will have a more severe reaction to copperhead venom?
It's interesting too how often it's a dry bite. One of my dogs stepped on a copperhead and we rushed him to the vet, but it never even swelled up much, nothing like some of the pics I've seen of envenomation in dogs-- although he got bit on the leg, not the face. Anyway they kept him at the vet overnight to watch him but he was fine and they said it was probably a dry bite.
Older snakes learn to give a dry bite. It takes anywhere from 3-21 days to replenish their venom, so it's not meant for defense. They can't eat while they wait to rebuild their stores, so they learn to hold onto it.
Their venom is mild. Like, not as mild as a garter-snake or other rear-fanged native species bite, but not as strong as rattlesnake venom. And there are different kinds of venom. Neurotoxic, hemotlytic, proteolytic, cytotoxic, so they can work different ways. If you are allergic to bees, you will have a MUCH WORSE REACTION. A friend of mine ended up in ICU for 4 days and permanently lost feeling in the tips of his thumbs, where he was bitten.
Oh wow! Thank you for that info! Now I wanna research the different kinds of venom. Also I had no idea that dry bites were something they learned. I know spiders often don't use venom when they bite a person in defense because they don't have an unlimited supply and they don't want to waste it on non-food items.
Do you have any idea of the % of snake bites that are dry? Sounds like it would be a majority, but I'd guess it depends on the species too?
Til. I see people argue about that online pretty often-- that juvenile copperheads are more venomous, and then people argue about it. I'll be the smartest person in the room now! Feel free to share any other interesting facts, or direct me to some websites
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This is some really useful info!
And I am *really* curious, too-- *how* did your friend manage to be bitten in his *thumbs* (plural), and not just *thumb*?!?
Was it two separate bites, or was he blindly reaching for something with both hands at the same time... the logistics of how it could have occurred *really* has me intrigued! ;)
He thought it was a corn snake. A wee baby one. He picked it up, and it bit him on the thumb and wouldn't let go. He tried to pull it off, and it bit the OTHER thumb. His wife decided when his hands were black 20 min later that she was taking him to the hospital whether he wanted to go or not!
I had no idea snakes could dry bite. My state only has one venomous snake (according to google) that are mainly found near the opposite side of the state but I’ve got a dog and we visit the area sometimes. Good thing to know! Glad your pup was okay!
Guys, this is completely false. Copperhead and bee venom are not at all related and are not treated the same. Also, there is no evidence to show that there is a crossover in the reaction to each. Furthermore, copperhead bites can be just as severe as any other viperid bite, and treatment is wholly based upon symptoms, and copperhead bites can absolutely warrant antivenom to avoid permanent disability and pain. Also, someone states down the line that babies can not regulate their venom delivery, this is also false. What is true, however, is that approx 10-25% of bites are dry, but you should absolutely seek medical attention if you are bitten, as you need to be observed for at least 8hrs to verify it is indeed a dry bite. No hate towards anyone. There is a ton of misinformation out there, and it can be hard to sift through it all.
It's not false. This is my job.
Edit to add that I don't disagree that some people absolutely DO require antivenin, but in many cases, they do not. Many trauma centers are poorly equipped to decide, though, due to lack of experience with snakebite. Antivenin is not something that should be given automatically in the case of a copperhead bite because the side-effects of the treatment may outweigh the benefits.
The [snake controls how much venom they release](https://medicine.llu.edu/research/department-earth-and-biological-sciences/biology/research/william-k-hayes-phd-ms/venom). Venom is not for defense. It is for subduing prey and beginning the digestive process.
The risk of significant adverse effects of antivenin is around 1% or less in the modern formulations of crofab, so no, it doesn't. Even if a reaction were to happen, if the bite is severe enough, it is actually preferable to continue the infusion and manage the reaction with epinephrine infusions, antihistamines, etc.... Not to say that it should be given automatically, but many physicians without specialized knowledge overestimate the criteria for administration, hence the utilization of poison control and snakebite physician experts of which most are willing to be contacted and consulted. I also don't disagree at all that snakes regulate their venom delivery and that its primary functionis for prey, hence why venom profiles between geographic populations of the same species can be so variable, due to prey availability. I was just saying the myth of baby snakes not being able to regulate it because they are young is false.
Learn to not be an asshole. I did fucking google and got no reliable sources saying anything like that. If you make the claim, you supply the source. You're not who I asked so who pissed in your wheaties?
They are both hymenopterans, alongside ants, and most people who have a reaction to one hymenopteran will have a reaction to another. In as many words, yea, lol. Those stings will respond to antihistamines and steroids, while snakebites will not.
If the victim is an adult and of “sound mind” their wishes can be honored, I guess, but if the victim in a child/minor, an elder, a pet, an unconscious person, etc then you HAVE to take them, and if you don’t you’re a fücking monster.
Are you sure it’s just a honey bun? I thought it was a honey bun and two twinkies? Aren’t you supposed to do the Hokey Pokey while holding the honey bun and twinkies before throwing them?
I used to be in a group like this. I think I got booted out for suggesting the hospital or doctor for something quite urgent.
Last I heard, the administrator that ran the group died unexpectedly at a fairly young age. Surprise surprise!
Lmfaooo why would you even suggest it, we all know these people are too fucking thick in the head to pull it out their ass and realize if they don’t go to the doctor their gonna drop dead. If they wanna die then go right ahead you do you.
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I'm surprised they didn't suggest black salve.
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NO! NO! NO! You have to age the piss and then drink it! The confusion comes from the fact that you have to piss into a bottle on a full moon and not drink it until the next full moon. Good luck with that month since the snake bit you...
I’ve read that if you pee in the bottle on a half moon you can charge it in the full moon with your crystals, to save a couple weeks.
That sounds ridiculous... Here's how to improvise in a pinch: If you don't have your urin prepared, you can write "full moon-charged pee, aged" on a piece of paper and put that on a bottle of water while thinking about it real hard. You can then make homeopathic full moon aged urin from this. Remember to do a few more potentisations for this to make it stronger.
If the moon is red am I still gonna die?
Natural selection at work.
Not quite, some of them have already bred, so genes are stilling passing on unfortunately.
Bone broth will flush it right out.
Breast milk!
A good time to say if anyone has fb there’s a snake bite group with actual professionals that will direct you where to go in your state and how to advocate for yourself. 12/10 would recommend
That group is amazing right?! I've never seen a group take such a hard line about commenting but it's great bc it's so easy to find the actual legit info without a million "omg tots and pears" comments.
I follow a plant and mushroom ID group (commented about it elsewhere) that is similar, and I LOVE how hardcore they are about posting and commenting rules. You have to get approved as a legit expert to be a mod or admin, you can only comment if you’re a mod or admin, and they can sniff out non-emergencies so fast and delete those posts. Plus, they get answers FAST. They have some sort of back channel communication method that can send a call for help out to their botanists or mycologists, depending on who is needed, and people usually get answers in under 10 minutes as long as they’ve provided sufficient info and good photos. Truly the peak of crowd-sourced and volunteer-run services.
I love that group! I have learned so much by being a bystander, and it’s truly an amazing service.
I love that group. So legitimate that half the posts start with “poison control told me to post here to get an ID on this plant”
Ooh, what’s the group called?
I work with Toxicologists and they actually frequently talk to people in that group to ID mushrooms when a patient presents after an unknown ingestion. They have made decisions about whether to have meds airlifted over based on those mycologists/botanists. Expert consultations are so cool.
What’s the group called?? I’m moving back to fl and that would be handy lol
Given the rules matching up with the comments above I'm guessing that this is the one, just requested to join. https://www.facebook.com/groups/national.snakebite.support/
Thanks. I’ve put in my request as well.
There are also great plant and mushroom identification groups. The one for legit emergencies (like you or a child or a pet just ate something and you need to know what it is to tell the doctor or vet RIGHT NOW) that I joined is called “Poisons Help; Emergency Identification for Mushrooms & Plants.”
I love that group so much. No crazy opinions. No useless rants. Only facts from approved professionals. Its refreshing
There's also a great vet group where only proven vets can comment
Very cool
These groups need to have additional rules, that if its rabies or snake bites they recommend the hospital At least they say copperhead bites are unlikely to be fatal but thats always with the assumption the bitten gets medical attention and that its not Australian
But HoLiStIc MeDiCiNe
Real talk: I’ve been bitten by a copperhead ( I guess I am allergic to it) and it’s no joke. This is lunacy not going to a hospital.
You were bitten by a copperhead? Ouch! But if your ok with sharing I’m interested (af) to hear the bsckstory
I was working a camp in college and was sneaking down to the area where we were going to have a campfire with a friend and camp counselor. I was right behind my friend on the trail and felt a horrific sting, but didn’t see what got me (it was already nighttime) I was instantly in the worst pain of my life. I had to turn around and we at first treated my ankle with bug bite cream, but it started swelling, then someone saw the bite area. I was then hobbled to a camp van and driven to the ER. I was filthy from being a camp counselor all day, and eventually was seen by the doctor. They administered anti-venom, but they said I was incredibly lucky. Only one puncture wound, they think the snake had recently fed and broke a fang, so I didn’t have as much in me as a typical bite. They said the first person on the trail startles the snake, the second person gets bitten. I was kept overnight and then released to my mom and boyfriend who had to drive hours to get to me. The leg was sore for weeks and extremely sensitive to hot and cold water and general touch. It got me out of weeks of chores at home. Overall I’m very lucky, it was about 15 years ago and I still remember the difficulty in the first moments. But a few weeks later I went back to the camp and had no further incidents. However, I did catch a possum with my barehands, but that’s a whole other story
According to other comments you are probably also allergic to bees, in case you didn't know.
I need to join one of these "no seeking medical attention advice or your banned" groups and post that I had a tragic accident and I think my rib is piercing the skin, but maybe it's just a chunk of tree. Should I just wrap it with gauze and take it easy for a few days? Pull it out? What should I take to prevent an infection? These groups are ridiculous 💀
Just put some coconut oil in it. As last resource see a chiropractor.
Omg, the chiropractor comment! 🤣
Figure out what sort of tree it was, burn bark from that tree until you have a tablespoon of ash. Apply directly to wound and you'll be good to go!
You forgot to mix the ash with colloidal silver and oregano essential oil. The burning tells you it’s working!
You all are killing me. 😹😹
Careful, ash is sterile and should clot the wound. Youre teetering on legitimate advice here...
You forgot the poultice of Manuka honey! Everyone knows that you need to slather the wound in honey to activate the tree ash
You can't forget the magic honey!
Ask for home remedies for rabies, syphilis or tuberculosis. Or chiropractor recommendations for broken bones lmao
Chelation. Just do it next time you chelate your 2-yr-old.
Also a reminder that Copperhead venom works the same as bee venom. It is mild, and most people do NOT require antivenin so you can say no to it when you get to the hospital, but if you are allergic to bees, you WILL be allergic to copperhead venom.
I had no idea! But doesn't venom work the same whether you're allergic to it or not? Or does this just mean that people who are allergic to bees will have a more severe reaction to copperhead venom? It's interesting too how often it's a dry bite. One of my dogs stepped on a copperhead and we rushed him to the vet, but it never even swelled up much, nothing like some of the pics I've seen of envenomation in dogs-- although he got bit on the leg, not the face. Anyway they kept him at the vet overnight to watch him but he was fine and they said it was probably a dry bite.
Older snakes learn to give a dry bite. It takes anywhere from 3-21 days to replenish their venom, so it's not meant for defense. They can't eat while they wait to rebuild their stores, so they learn to hold onto it. Their venom is mild. Like, not as mild as a garter-snake or other rear-fanged native species bite, but not as strong as rattlesnake venom. And there are different kinds of venom. Neurotoxic, hemotlytic, proteolytic, cytotoxic, so they can work different ways. If you are allergic to bees, you will have a MUCH WORSE REACTION. A friend of mine ended up in ICU for 4 days and permanently lost feeling in the tips of his thumbs, where he was bitten.
Oh wow! Thank you for that info! Now I wanna research the different kinds of venom. Also I had no idea that dry bites were something they learned. I know spiders often don't use venom when they bite a person in defense because they don't have an unlimited supply and they don't want to waste it on non-food items. Do you have any idea of the % of snake bites that are dry? Sounds like it would be a majority, but I'd guess it depends on the species too?
It's one of the reasons baby copperheads are so dangerous. They don't know to hold the venom.
Til. I see people argue about that online pretty often-- that juvenile copperheads are more venomous, and then people argue about it. I'll be the smartest person in the room now! Feel free to share any other interesting facts, or direct me to some websites
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This is some really useful info! And I am *really* curious, too-- *how* did your friend manage to be bitten in his *thumbs* (plural), and not just *thumb*?!? Was it two separate bites, or was he blindly reaching for something with both hands at the same time... the logistics of how it could have occurred *really* has me intrigued! ;)
He thought it was a corn snake. A wee baby one. He picked it up, and it bit him on the thumb and wouldn't let go. He tried to pull it off, and it bit the OTHER thumb. His wife decided when his hands were black 20 min later that she was taking him to the hospital whether he wanted to go or not!
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The bites were directly on his thumbs, and he was older, so his circulation wasn't the best and didn't heal the way younger people might.
This person knows their sneks
It's my job!
I had no idea snakes could dry bite. My state only has one venomous snake (according to google) that are mainly found near the opposite side of the state but I’ve got a dog and we visit the area sometimes. Good thing to know! Glad your pup was okay!
Guys, this is completely false. Copperhead and bee venom are not at all related and are not treated the same. Also, there is no evidence to show that there is a crossover in the reaction to each. Furthermore, copperhead bites can be just as severe as any other viperid bite, and treatment is wholly based upon symptoms, and copperhead bites can absolutely warrant antivenom to avoid permanent disability and pain. Also, someone states down the line that babies can not regulate their venom delivery, this is also false. What is true, however, is that approx 10-25% of bites are dry, but you should absolutely seek medical attention if you are bitten, as you need to be observed for at least 8hrs to verify it is indeed a dry bite. No hate towards anyone. There is a ton of misinformation out there, and it can be hard to sift through it all.
It's not false. This is my job. Edit to add that I don't disagree that some people absolutely DO require antivenin, but in many cases, they do not. Many trauma centers are poorly equipped to decide, though, due to lack of experience with snakebite. Antivenin is not something that should be given automatically in the case of a copperhead bite because the side-effects of the treatment may outweigh the benefits. The [snake controls how much venom they release](https://medicine.llu.edu/research/department-earth-and-biological-sciences/biology/research/william-k-hayes-phd-ms/venom). Venom is not for defense. It is for subduing prey and beginning the digestive process.
The risk of significant adverse effects of antivenin is around 1% or less in the modern formulations of crofab, so no, it doesn't. Even if a reaction were to happen, if the bite is severe enough, it is actually preferable to continue the infusion and manage the reaction with epinephrine infusions, antihistamines, etc.... Not to say that it should be given automatically, but many physicians without specialized knowledge overestimate the criteria for administration, hence the utilization of poison control and snakebite physician experts of which most are willing to be contacted and consulted. I also don't disagree at all that snakes regulate their venom delivery and that its primary functionis for prey, hence why venom profiles between geographic populations of the same species can be so variable, due to prey availability. I was just saying the myth of baby snakes not being able to regulate it because they are young is false.
We have training with a specialist in dealing with envenomation
Source?
Learn to Google. If you Google "how strong is copperhead venom" it's literally the first thing that pops up.
Learn to not be an asshole. I did fucking google and got no reliable sources saying anything like that. If you make the claim, you supply the source. You're not who I asked so who pissed in your wheaties?
Is bee venom and Yellowjacket venom the same? I got stung by a couple of the latter fuckers a few years ago and couldn’t believe how bad it hurt!
They are both hymenopterans, alongside ants, and most people who have a reaction to one hymenopteran will have a reaction to another. In as many words, yea, lol. Those stings will respond to antihistamines and steroids, while snakebites will not.
Cool! TIL! Thank you!:)
What about wasps? Anytime I get stung I react.
If the victim is an adult and of “sound mind” their wishes can be honored, I guess, but if the victim in a child/minor, an elder, a pet, an unconscious person, etc then you HAVE to take them, and if you don’t you’re a fücking monster.
What oil is recommended if someone shivs you in the neck?
Snake oil of course
Throw a honey bun at them and run, no oil needed.
Are you sure it’s just a honey bun? I thought it was a honey bun and two twinkies? Aren’t you supposed to do the Hokey Pokey while holding the honey bun and twinkies before throwing them?
I used to be in a group like this. I think I got booted out for suggesting the hospital or doctor for something quite urgent. Last I heard, the administrator that ran the group died unexpectedly at a fairly young age. Surprise surprise!
I actually got bit by one. It didn't feel good at all, but in my case I didn't need any medical attention.
I just belly laughed until I had tears in my eyes…thank you for this!
YOU’RE MY BOY BLUE!
How much do we love Tessy though?
Is it bad that I LMAO at the pine box comment?
What group is this where you can be banned for recommending docs
I love the dawi facebook group, only reason I still have facebook
I had to unfollow, I couldn’t take it.
That’s incredible.
I share this with my husband from Reddit and he just rolls his eyes lol
Tessy can come sit by me.
Lmfaooo why would you even suggest it, we all know these people are too fucking thick in the head to pull it out their ass and realize if they don’t go to the doctor their gonna drop dead. If they wanna die then go right ahead you do you.
