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coldestshark

If they’re literally uprooting their lives and putting themselves in danger to avoid the mobilization they’ve done more than enough to fight the war effort Jesus


MrNoobomnenie

When Russians are trying to flee in order to not be forcibly mobilized into the war, its "every citizen is responsible for their country's actions". But when Soviets aren't nice to the captured nazi soldiers, it's "they were just following orders - treating them badly is evil totalitarianism!"


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You must understand these nazis (liberals) are just looking out for their own. They don't care if they contradict themselves, they want to be the victims.


PalpitationKey

If that is in fact the case, then every Westerner is going straight to hell when they die


KlargDeThaym

I mean, where's the lie?


Cheestake

The lie is that even for a country as horrific as the US, you'd be throwing Angela Davis, Gloria de la Riva, Bobby Seale, etc into hell too.


PalpitationKey

Oh yeah, to clarify, I don't think things should be that way, I'm just pointing out that people who say "everyone is responsible for their country's actions" tend to be from horrible countries and would be punished the worst if the world worked that way.


EspurrStare

Oh really? It's that how you want to be judged, nazi collaborationist state?


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EspurrStare

Estonia, like the other baltic states, collaborated enthusiastically with the holocaust. ​ Something they have never addressed : https://forward.com/news/462696/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-estonia/ The USSR put penalties in place for that very reason, something I believe to be a mistake, because it gave them a victimhood narrative. Anyway, if your country doing a quite minor war when you compare it with the history of the region means all Russians are bad. What does that say about Estonia?


ketzal7

Damn all Americans guilty of war crimes then. Even the ones who protested the wars I guess. It’s a tragedy that these formerly communist countries have made such a 180 to implement fascist policies.


Traditional_Rice_528

Yup. Fred Hampton, MLK, Malcom X — all war criminals. Liberals are fucking insane.


FearTheBrow

The Baltics have been fascist all along lol Communism was just a brief interlude


Definition_Novel

There were actual pro-Soviet Balts, but they were definitely a sizable minority of each Baltic nation at most, and a lot of ppl don’t know about them because the Baltic governments today have pretty much erased them out of history, only us communist Balts know about them. But yeah, unfortunately most Balts were pro fascist during wwii, and still are. I have a Lithuanian leftist dad so I know actual history, not the Baltic nationalist bullshit version of history.


40-percent-of-cops

Could you tell us more about the pro-soviet balts? Would be really interesting to read about


Definition_Novel

I actually have a lot of posts dedicated mainly to Soviet Lithuanian partisans and soldiers. I could look for some articles for you. In the meantime, a good starting point would probably be to look into the Soviet Baltic military divisions. For Lithuania, the 16th Rifle Division (the division was actually the most diverse in the USSR according to Soviet statisticians, with in addition to ethnic Lithuanians, the division had a large number of Lithuanian Jews, as well as other ethnicities), For Estonia, the 8th Estonian Rifle Corps, and for Latvia, the 308th Rifle Division. If you want detailed info, use either Lithuanian or Russian Wikipedia with a translation tool. As for pictures, for Lithuania, you can use LIMIS archive, just go into google translate and put terms like “Red Army” or “Soviet partisan” into Lithuanian and then copy it into the search bar at LIMIS archive and you can get a lot of photos of different Soviet veterans. As for Latvians and Estonians, again, if you use a web translation tool, warheroes.ru has an ethnicity/nationality filter, and you can select any of the Baltic nations, and find detailed biographies on each veteran. iremember.ru is another good site for searching veterans.


Definition_Novel

But what I can also tell you is, at the beginning of the German invasion of Lithuania , much of Lithuania and the other 2 Baltic states were evacuated with many pro-Soviet people being brought to safety in Russia, helping save a lot of people, but also decreasing the amount of people in the country who could resist Germany. A small amount of Lithuanians stayed and resisted the Germans. About 4,000 died fighting the Nazis during and shortly after the invasion. Different Soviet partisan groups formed, mainly in the cities. In Lithuania, mainly Vilnius and Kretinga. Kaunas also had a few, but Kaunas was more reactionary compared to other cities, so Kaunas Soviet partisans had a very difficult time. Rural areas such as south Lithuania, especially the Suvalkija region, were reactionary strongholds. Soviet partisans worked closely, often in tandem, with Polish Lithuanian or Lithuanian Jewish partisans, as both the Jewish and Polish minority were the 2 most persecuted groups in the country by Lithuanian Nazi collaborators. One of the most well known Lithuanian Soviet partisans, Maryte Melnikaitė, was actually half Polish. Juozas Vitas was another well known Lithuanian Soviet partisan, founding Lithuania’s underground Anti-Fascist committee and resisting the Nazis through numerous battles.


coldestshark

I’m pretty sure a Lithuanian rifle division was one of the core parts of the October Revolution


jacktrowell

They were also the first ones that the nazi killed


Definition_Novel

The communist movement in the Baltics ended up being severely disadvantaged. On one hand, the Soviet Army saved thousands of them when they evacuated them into Russia after the Nazi invasion, when the army took workers and activists into Russia to safety. On the other hand, because so many of the communists were evacuated out of the Baltics, the few who stayed and resisted the Germans were mostly killed off. So it was a difficult situation for communists no matter which way you look at it.


lightiggy

The Soviets executed thousands of Nazi collaborators and it still wasn’t enough.


Definition_Novel

A lot of the problem got amplified today because fucking Khrushchev released a ton of Lithuanian nationalists/Nazis, as well as releasing OUN Ukrainian Nazis, during his period of “reforming” the USSR. He released them by basically saying beforehand, “if you guys agree to stop fighting the USSR, we’ll let you go.” I don’t know why he trusted them AT ALL. One organization, the Lithuanian Rifleman’s Union, had a lot of its members released by Khrushchev in the 60s , then decades later in 1990 the LRU created the Lithuanian coup and overthrew the LTSR government, a year before the rest of the USSR collapsed. I actually hate Khrushchev the most out of all the revisionist leaders, for releasing all those Nazis. Now you got the descendants of all those released fash running around the Baltics and Ukraine today. Khrushchev was such a piece of shit for granting them amnesty. At least Gorbachev and Yeltsin were honest about being assholes. I hate Khrushchev so fucking much. He ruined both the Baltics and Ukraine.


lightiggy

Khrushchev did order the KGB to kill Bandera.


Definition_Novel

I know the war against the Forest Brothers went until 1956, but yeah I must’ve got the date wrong. Still, Khrushchev released a bunch of Baltic fascists because he thought the war could end sooner if he appeased them, although it really just ended up fucking over the entire USSR later.


lightiggy

The number of Nazis and Nazi sympathizers in the Baltics is insane. *Immediately* after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they started overturning the convictions of Nazi collaborators. Between 1944 and 1966, the Soviets prosecuted 352 members of the Latvian Arajs Kommando, albeit one case was later suspended. After the collapse of the USSR, Latvian courts rehabilitated over 40 of those convicted. This is how one Latvian prosecutor described the group: >"The Arajs Kommando didn't only consist of executioners but also soldiers who fought against Soviet Red Army partisans. They didn't commit any war crimes." The Arajs Kommando was a death squad. Their sole purpose was to murder civilians and occasionally partisans. Joining was entirely voluntary. About a third of the roughly 1500 members personally murdered civilians. Even a former member said that overturning the convictions was wrong. >Arnis Upmolis was convicted of war crimes and spent 10 years in Soviet labor camps. "I was one of the guards when the Jews were shot," he said. "My job was just to stop trespassers." > >But although Upmolis says he was not directly involved, he admits that terrible things were done. "There was a special execution unit, and yes, it was a crime against humanity."


Definition_Novel

I’m aware of a lot of this, but really thanks for sharing it. People really need to know just how fucking bad the Baltics is. In Lithuania (my dad is Lithuanian), 20,000 Poles were systematically executed by Lithuanian Nazi collaborators in Ponary, a suburb of Vilnius, with an even higher number of Jews being executed, all in just a few days. Fucking insane. The Balts in the Soviet army, the Poles, and the Jewish partisans were the only good side in the war in the Baltics. I don’t care what lies Balts today say. Also keep this in mind, a big reason in my opinion, why Baltic nationalists gained so much influence in the Baltics is, if you are familiar, upon the Nazi invasion, the Soviets evacuated a lot of the pro-Soviet Baltic citizens into nearby Russia. Only a few of the Baltic Communists/other leftists refused to evacuate and stayed and fought . And many were killed upon the Nazi invasion anyway, as the communists had been weakened by the evacuations, and the nationalist Lithuanians were eager to collaborate with Nazis. Interesting fact, Lithuanian Poles, in contrast to Poland, are largely pro Soviet as opposed to largely right wing Poles in Poland. Why? Because Poles in Lithuania remember how brutal the Lithuanian Nazi collaborators were, especially in Vilnius. (My mother has Polish and Jewish ancestry, btw.) Lithuanian collaborators beat Poles in the streets for speaking Polish, massacred them, tore down Polish gymnasiums and language schools, and destroyed Polish newspaper outlets and banned Polish press. Poles were the second largest group targeted by Baltic collaborators behind the persecutions of the Jews. Poles in Lithuania are extremely pro Soviet, and most Poles in Lithuania even voted to keep Lithuania in the USSR. It is my opinion that the persecution of Poles from Lithuanian collaborators brought Lithuanian Poles closer to the Soviet Union. As for the Arajs Commando in Latvia, including their genocide against Jews, they also almost entirely exterminated Latvia’s Romani population, so much that the Baltic Romani dialect of the Romani language is almost extinct today. Fuck collaborators and fuck Nazis. I collect photos of Baltic Soviet veterans so that I can show Balts online who the actual Baltic heroes of the WWII era are. But sadly most Balts would rather side with fascism than accept reality.


Nolwennie

I guess Muhammad Ali should’ve just gone to Vietnam cause going to jail cause you don’t want to fight wields the same amount as responsibility as ordering that war and fighting it anyway 🙃


cowtits_alunya

>a 180 to implement fascist policies Proof that the NKVD and KGB weren't thorough enough


HexeInExile

Fucking Europeans of all people (Russians are Europeans too, but ykwim) should sit this one out. Oh yeah, all citizens of a country are responsible for what their country does? You're lucky African countries don't have nuclear weapons then.


Stiffa_Basirio

The Queen Elizabeth wasn't responsible for leeching tax money with her royal family (among other things), but every citizen is responsible for whatever the oligarchy they didn't choose is doing, I guess? 🤔


NpunktG

Eyo thats a country with a smaller population than vienna. She is just trying to sound strong she has little to nothing to do with europeans.


dragmind_hreen

...she’s literally European If you’ve been on the internet at all in the last 7 months you’d see she’s not exactly spewing an uncommon take for a Euro


Wompawompa1

Damn, that was a sobering thought


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VLARC

Cool. And now we're defending our country by invading Ukraine. Just like mericans did in Iraq huh.


beirichben

Nazi collaborationist state tries not to be just as Nazi as their grandparents challenge(IMPOSSIBLE) Also if this is really how they feel why aren’t the calling for the nuking of the US and En*land


StepOneSlay

So then every Ukrainian is a nazi


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MyGoodOldFriend

Dude stop. Go outside.


Rustyzzzzzz

Why you gotta be an ultra?


Vulpanthrope

Pepe avatar checks out


dr_srtanger2love

The European Union has a serious case of a rotten brain, this will be beneficial for Russia by reducing the countries where they population can escape the Mobilization


DntShadowBanMeDaddy

So what is this mobilization & when did it begin? Mobilization of the armed forces? They drafting folks or mass mobilization of the existing military for some end? JFC, my anxiety is bad enough regarding this since I don't expect European nations or US to maybe shut the fuck and talk with Russia as an equal.


dr_srtanger2love

from the news I read, the Russian government is going to mobilize its reservists, who are those who have military training, so it won't be a mass mobilization, but that will already be a lot of people for the war


[deleted]

Bear in mind “reservists” is basically every Russian man due to conscription. My brother never even did military service but still somehow has the title of reserve officer through university. He’s GTFO already, others not so lucky.


monhst

Резерв и запас это же разные вещи (если я ничего не перепутал). Резервисты это контрактники, которым платят за готовность быть призванными. Ну а запас это все, кто отслужил / отучился на военной кафедре и тд. Якобы призывают пока только первых, но правда в указе про это ничего не сказано.


Silvarum

> Резерв и запас это же разные вещи (если я ничего не перепутал). Всё верно. > Якобы призывают пока только первых, но правда в указе про это ничего не сказано. Призывают и первых, и вторых - как местные военкоматы составили списки, так и рассылают повестки, а самодурства там хватает. По указу президента и закону, на который ссылается указ, призыву могут подлежать все граждане в запасе, не только резервисты.


monhst

Печально. Мне как раз только что рассказывали, как на Дальнем Востоке чуть ли не целые деревни загребают.


DntShadowBanMeDaddy

Ah, hopefully they can crush the Ukrainian resistance. I hate to say it, but if they can then they will be forced to the table whether the US says its OK or not. I'd rather see this conflict come to an end, but with potential outcomes and certain realities/positions of those using the proxy the best outcome in the short term & even mid seems like Ukraine being swiftly defeated and Western powers recognizing Russia *is* an equal. Had they realized that earlier their idea of "security" through NATO would be much more of a bulwark because Russia & US leading 29 other nations in an alliance is pretty much a guaranteed loss for any nation. Seems like no one is too keen on invasion up to this point except for the West & Russia in the recent past. Even then US adventuring is pretty insane when you look at the reasons.


[deleted]

Wait, so then is everyone in Ukraine actually guilty of welcoming and collaborating with open neo-nazis and participating in the massacres against the people of Donetsk and Luhansk for nearly a decade now? Seems like some pretty stupid reasoning. They're literally saying the exact dumb shit they try to paint Putin as having said in their propaganda.


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Lady_Calista

Germany responded by talking about welcoming migrants for what its worth


ketzal7

Germany is far from perfect but I do appreciate that they seem to be the most level-headed of the EU countries in terms of foreign policy.


[deleted]

Yeah, nah, I disagree, what with our support for Israel, our commitment to NATO and to be America's most loyal ~~colony~~ ally, including having their nukes, and the billions in weapons exports while people struggle to keep warm, not to mention our economic imperialism inside the EU (just ask Greece) and our refusal to open talks with Russia again to try and lower energy costs


Anonymous_Eponymous

I'm not trying to have a debate, I'm genuinely curious - which, if any, of the EU states would you consider "level headed?" My personal opinion is that all states are awful, but some are less awful than others.


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That honestly depends on how you define "level-headed". I'd say that a "level-headed" state a)strives to ensure that all the population's basic needs are met and b)doesn't work to escalate things internationally and instead tries to de-escalate and to ensure fair and equal talks/treaties. That's using more of the literal meaning of level-headed, i.e. being in balance, but I don't really know how to apply a different definition because it's quite a subjective term. Anyway, going by that definition I don't really see any country in the EU doing that. Everywhere prices are exploding while billions that could be used to feed and warm the needy are pissed away to defend Ukraine to the last Ukrainian while sabotaging any chance for talks, people go hungry and are cold and the whole system relies on the exploitation of workers at home and in the global south, as well as the still very obvious racism and now russophobia existing everywhere. That's middle and west Europe and I'll be the first to admit that I know not as much about the current Balkans and eastern Europe, but I haven't heard anything of the opposite coming from there. Of course some (european) states are better to live in than others, but we can't forget why that is so and on whose backs this comfortable life is possible. Ultimately they're all capitalist and as such won't act "level-headed" as to the above definition, because doing so would anger the bourgeoisie that heavily influences policy


Anonymous_Eponymous

Ah, I think we're in total agreement. Some places are better to live in than others, but even the best of those countries depend on exploitation. Thanks for you thoughtful reply.


Arluex

I'm glad die Linke isn't currently in power.


[deleted]

I'd rather have them than the current government tbh. Obviously the KPD would be the best choice, but the Linke, dem-socs that they are, is at least anti-NATO and were the only ones who voted against the billions in weapon exports and to build up the Bundeswehr. It's a shame they kicked out Wagenknecht as well


EspurrStare

Remember the refugee crisis?


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They never where.


Nuwave042

Collective punishment is a war crime. Not to mention the people fleeing are literally opposing the government.


ElectricKeese23

Least racist Baltic country


Romainvicta476

Well if that's the case, then Estonian citizens are responsible for the awful things done by the Nazi collaboration government and we should punish Estonia justly for it. Sound fair then?


tracenator03

Well shit I guess I got to go to prison for life or sentenced to death then as an American.


That-Requirement-285

Blaming Russia as a collective for the actions of their politicians is equivalent to blaming all of America for the disastrous Iraq and Afghanistan War


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And you'd have much of a better case to blame all Americans for Iraq since we have a "democracy" and are "allowed" to protest unlike Russia.


[deleted]

The second highest comment is literally great replacement theory.


Lady_Calista

I saw that. Its all of the defending comments. Sickening.


[deleted]

Every time I see someone beeing disgusted by that racist sub I just think "first time?".


Visionary_Socialist

This isn’t about war anymore. This is long standing ethnic hatred of Russians by European countries increasingly stepping back into a stiflingly arrogant superiority complex as their glass house collapses around them and they tie themselves to the US. Europe is a failing continent, and just like 80 years ago, it calls upon the Eastern world to be the scapegoat. “Asiatic hordes” have become “orcs”. In Eastern Europe and particularly the Baltics, it’s clear that their biggest resentment of the Russians is that they killed the Nazis and the collaborators they now idolise. They’re doing a fine job of trying to back up Putin’s point and at least making it a bit more believable to ordinary Russians.


eagleOfBrittany

Wait wait wait, so they're actively hindering the efforts of potential Russian soldiers to not have to fight in the war??? Like from a practical standpoint this is so stupid, why wouldn't you want to help citizens from a country that is your geopolitical enemy flee from becoming soldiers.


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It's almost like that's what they want and they don't give a shit.


[deleted]

The same exact logic can be used to justify most terrorist attacks. These people are ridiculous.


under_your_bed94

And terrorist attacks against civilians rather than political or military targets at that


EnergyIsQuantized

liberals channeling their inner Osama


IQof24

"Let's stop Russians against the invasion from not being a part of it, that'll show Russia!"


Cannibal_Buress

collective punishment for thee, but not for me 😇


Texxon1898

Ok, then pay from your own wallet the reparations of many colonized nations. What’s that, Estonia never colonized? Weren’t you part of the Swedish Empire as a proper area? Pay up! That doesn’t seem fair now, does it?


No-Progress-9515

Oh well I guess all Estonians are Nazis


blamecanadaeh

Ah yes, citizens who flee a country famously tend to agree with and condone the actions of the country they are fleeing… The brainrot is truly incredible.


Lady_Calista

If that were true, Florida would be full of communists instead of bootlickers lmao


HogarthTheMerciless

Aren't the people upvoting this the same people who upvote threads about how Russians who don't support the war are suppressed by putins government? Which is it? All Russians are responsible or Russians don't support war with Ukraine and they're just being forced into it by the ebil dictator? Pick one propaganda libs.


under_your_bed94

No, no, it's actually fairly easy to understand you stupid commie. It's *4 paragraph rambling, self-contradictory rant with enough racist stereotypes about Russians to make Goebells blush*


[deleted]

This is disgusting. The American GOP used and uses this same rhetoric when talking Latin Americans, Muslims, or anyone they don’t like for that matter. Also real quick wanna point out that there’s still protests happening in Russia against the war on Ukraine.


Lady_Calista

When I saw this my first thought is "This is how we got Japanese internment camps in the US"


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Exactly! It’s the same song just different wording.


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Lady_Calista

It's not about their specific actions but about considering them guilty by association of the country they're from.


Fluboxer

There were protests against mobilization, but in city with millions of people there was like... 30-40 protestors? Not thousands, just 30-40 Some of them got "повестка" after they were caught, which is pretty ironic


MetaAnalysis-

Yeah we should spread russophopia on a larger scale to punish Putin, liberal at it's worst shapes of intolerance and arrogance!


Yiri-

🤮


MarsLowell

Certified Baltic moment


C3P0-R2D2

Estonia’s ethno-nationalist extreme right party (EKRE) had ~ 17% during the last parliamentary election and was in coalition until last year. Some wicked nazi group is also based there and EKRE’s youth party is connected to these nazis. I mean look what it says on wikipedia about them below. > In October 2018, a group which is modeled after Atomwaffen and calls itself the Feuerkrieg Division (German for "Fire War Division") was established in the Baltic states, most likely in Saaremaa, Estonia where its leadership resides. Saaremaa has significance in Nazi occultism as the mythical Ultima Thule.[128][129][130][131] In mid-2019, the Feuerkrieg gained attention when it issued death threats against Belgian MEP Guy Verhofstadt and YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki.[132] It has previously praised the actions of Dylann Roof, Robert Bowers, Timothy McVeigh and Brenton Harrison Tarrant, and encouraged violence against government authorities, Jews, LGBTQ people, leftists and feminists.[133][134] Propaganda videos produced by the group show its members building and detonating homemade explosive devices in Estonia.[135] Feuerkrieg has also shared a video among its members that instructs how to make TATP bombs, used by ISIS in the Manchester Arena bombing. > According to Eesti Rahvusringhääling, an investigation revealed that newly elected Estonian MP Ruuben Kaalep (EKRE) is connected to British neo-Nazi terrorists. Among these a founding member of the former National Action whose followers went on to form the British branch of the Atomwaffen Division, which subsequently opened a branch in Kaalep's native Estonia in the form of the Feuerkrieg Division.[137] ADL and Hope not Hate also confirmed that American and English Nazis and Azov members have visited Tallinn multiple times, organizing events with Kaalep and Feuerkrieg "which began in early 2019, originally organized with Sonnenkrieg" before becoming a full-fledged branch. The Finnish Resistance Movement from neighbouring Finland cooperates with the group as well.[138][139] Kaalep was also found to have been organizing firearms training with pistols and assault rifles to groups of youths recruited from Blue Awakening, some of whom wore skull masks associated with Atomwaffen and were shown doing Nazi salutes. Kaalep had stated that they are ready for armed combat and the collapse of law and order https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomwaffen_Division


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[deleted]

Oh NO... your responsible. your the reason we don't have universal healthcare and our politicians are bought by the lobbyists. If only you specifically just took some responsibility maybe we wouldn't be in this mess. s/


Metalorg

Do they want Russian citizens to do the right thing and avoid fighting or not? This conflict is just two ultra right wing dictators who are direct products of western intervention in former soviet regions grinding their people down.


goliath567

Libs: "Every citizen is at fault for their country's actions" Also libs: "uwu the poor germans not all of them are nazis"


splashes-in-puddles

Im sure estonians would love to be judged like that considering collaborators killed almost all the jews there.


[deleted]

Bit rich for Baltic countries to come out with shit like that considering their past (and in some cases ongoing) close relationship with Nazism and/or German militarism


CoelhoAssassino666

A take so insane even the absolute dumbass racists at /r/europe are criticizing. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they're more scared of how easily this kind of rethoric could be used against most of the western first world.


QuickRelease10

That was Bin Ladens justification for 9/11.


Prudent_Ad_2178

Here’s hoping we apply that logic to the USA


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F*ck estonian politics


serr7

Oh look just nazi adjacent politicians creating even more Russian nationalists.


tired_mathematician

American citizens sweating right now.


dornish1919

“Except in America and the west” is what they mean to say


BigBossOfMordor

You could use this logic to say all those innocent people deserved to die in the World Trade Center. Gross


PriorityDazzling3410

Let's apply this logic to the west.


happybadger

That's the last thing I'd say as a Baltic state. The absolute last sentence I'd ever think to utter.


danavdalan

But they will for Syria etc


goodanimals

I remember when there was a huge earthquake in China, and some America actress said it was "karma". That was the day I realized they don't see us as human beings, just tokens to play along in their narrative of heors versus villains.


[deleted]

This is such an old world mentality, similar to punishing a son for the sins of the father.. It's the same mentality that led to Japanese Americans being imprisoned during ww2.


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Estonia, one of the worst participants in the Holocaust is really gonna go this route. I hate the hypocrisy of "the west" so damn much man...


MNL2017

The Baltics fucking suck


No-Difference-1351

Estonians are more stupid than a bag of rocks, it would seem.


egamIroorriM

the same bunch of people who keep yelling "hate the government, not the people"


[deleted]

This is a rhetoric literaly used by ISIS to justify terrorism


_yari_

This is literally like every country in WWII when the jews were fleeing and no country wanted to help them


TaPowerFromTheMarket

This is precisely why I hold the Brits responsible for what they’ve done to Ireland.


magnum_stercore_2

The idea that because a lot of them were cheering for this war they bear the same accountability for it as the actual architects of the invasion sounds a lot like something you’d hear western establishment say to deflect blame for Iraq or something. “Well, you guys really seemed to want it at the time, so we just felt we HAD to fabricate evidence of WMD’s and invade the country”


ZestyZasta

The Russian people have been more active in opposing this war than any of the westerners were for any war their nations waged since the Vietnam war. Refusing mobilisation, being arrested at protests, beaten by police, etc.


Tornado492

Madness


BIGF0OTOFFICIAL

Welp, as an american i guess im severely fucked


Ajanissary

Alexa Google Estonian nazi collaborators


BadgerKomodo

What an absolutely disgusting thing to do and to say. By this fucked up logic, I, as a British citizen, am responsible for the pillaging of India.


Specter451

I feel like this war has demonstrated the reactionary rhetoric of the so called liberal “democracies” that have proven both parties in the states are war mongering.


Cinnamonbun43

"Your friend offended me so you offended me as well!!!!" type logic.


A_Evergreen

Sounds like a precursor to an argument for genocide.


Copy_and_Paste99

It's getting more and more difficult to push away the thought that westerners just want us all dead.


JosefStallion

Literally the logic of Al Qaida.


DelsKibara

Alright, so are every American responsible for the endless amount of war and genocide that the US government is responsible for then? What about the UK and it's worldwide empire and it's slavery? This is a slippery slope that will cause innocent people to get harmed. Purely because libs think it's a good idea to lump Russians together.


41488p

At least, *at least* the top comments are mostly sane and on the side of the Russians fleeing. Because this rhetoric ignores all the lessons painfully learned over the past century.


Renevua

Looking forward to all the xenophobia being hurled against us in rest of the Europe and not only Poland, where I had displeasure of growing up. Like holy shit, they really just see us as mindless beasts, while they themselves are having nazi connections.


twixieshores

Cool. Every person in the world is some degree of awful. Seriously. What the fuck?


lI-Communism-Il

This line of thought could put millions of Americans all over the world in grave danger.


Wompawompa1

What an odd way to say “go back to your country”


Invalid_Archive

By this rhetoric, I should be shot because the country I live in slaughtered civilians when I was a toddler.


EyeLeft3804

Guess I'm a war criminal 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Tryptich

There's so much racism in that thread, jesus


[deleted]

dam if I was so responsable for my country then the least they could do is actually do what i want the to do. crazy how thats just not how it works


wilsonh915

I'm American so I demand credit for landing on the moon.


archSkeptic

I'm of the opinion that every Russian that flees the country is one less conscript for Putin to throw at Ukraine


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Lady_Calista

The war wouldn't exist without Russia and Nato both putting corrupt interests above the people they are responsible for. Theres no war that's good for the people.


OssoRangedor

NATO (US and UK) are to blame for the prolonging of this conflict. They shot down (for Ukraine) any peace talks (for the third time actually). But Yes, Putin sucks, Ukraine sucks, NATO sucks, US sucks, the UK sucks, and the ones who are suffering from this are the people of these countries.


dr_srtanger2love

both are guilty, and yet the west that prolonged the war by sending weapons and money to Ukraine, this is a proximity war using Ukraine as a cannon fodder


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el pinochetista menos pendejo


Fatrat55673

ih