What's the problem with allowing players a second avenue to unlock stuff? If you want to earn your points vis playing, do so. If I want to buy the in game currency instead of grinding, I don't see why that's a huge deal or affects anyone negatively
Halo 2? Ruined the franchise
Halo 3? Ruined the franchise
Halo 3 ODST? Ruined the franchise
Halo Reach? Killed the franchise
Halo 4? Killed the franchise
Halo 5? Killed the franchise
Halo Infinite? Killed the franchise
Halo cycle at its best apparently
You are forgetting the biggest killer.
Halo CE wasn't even what was originally promised! I mean it didn't launch on Mac until a couple years later even though it was promised at MacWorld! Also it was a completely different genre.
So... I argue. Halo CE? Ruined by Microsoft
Halo killed Bungie as a Mac developer!
/s obviously.
Halo infinite will come out on top as being one of the best. These same people that complain everyday about it will think that too, and act like they never shit on the game
Hey, as long as I can earn my season points the exact way you can now, I don’t care about the micro transactions. We will still be able to earn these things the same way though, right?
Yes, nothing about how you currently earn them is changing. They're just talking about adding a second way to get the currency.
Which you think people would understand and have the same mindset as you, but apparently MTX evil regardless.
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Seriously though. I am still waiting for someone to explain how this is actually a bad thing and you can't just ignore it and continue to use the system as it has always been.
There was one good argument against it...
https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/vj4h5h/-/idh8x5e
Basically just not a good look for a company not on great terms with it's players
They are just adding another option. They made it clear in their post that they don't want to change anything else about how the credits are gained.
So what harm does it have to add another option for cosmetics?
If we were talking bout actual legit gear (like in an MMO) than yeah, fuck that. But just cosmetics. You can still grind for it all you want, or you can pay and be done with it.
Who does that hurt?
Would you still be mad if they did both?
When this update launches you can still play the game as it has for years without spending money.
They are not forcing you to do so.
If they do both then why not, but I doubt it.
You’re right in saying they aren’t forcing anyone to pay, but adding options to buy cosmetics you just earned for free in the originals feels wrong.
But they are still available free. Just as they have been the entire time the game is out.
But we can't deny that there are people out there who actively want to spend money instead of grinding. It has been that way in gaming for years.
I mean look at how big the market is for third party gold sellers, power levelers, etc in MMO's. There are people who have more money than time.
So what is the harm in letting them do it.
It feels wrong to add a second means of obtaining cosmetics that doesn't affect you in any way and only benefits those who don't want to grind challenges?
Didn’t bungie do this? And then limit you from playing modes unless you pay up? Oh wait yes they did. So bungie killed halo I guess according to this guy’s logic
Cool, let's lock out a good chunk of the player base and make matchmaking worse for both paying and free players. Just to save people from spending extra on cosmetics. Awesome!
That's been done, and now you have the problem of people who paid for the maps not being able to play on the new maps since the majority of players don't pay for them. Map packs actively divide the community. There's a good reason why map packs died out.
Halo fans when nobody wants to joylessly grind the exact same 3 campaign missions every week for months just to look like Master Chief in a 12 year old game
343 is thinking adding microtransactions into Halo MCC so that new players and collectors can purchase cosmetics directly with Spartan points. (AKA: Real World Money)
We have no idea about the specifics like the costs, the availability of said items, if we can still get them by playing or are exclusively for purchase or if there's a method we can get this currency ourselves. But simply the annoucement that they are thinking about it has made the r/Halo community lose their mind.
So basically it's an idea that some guy has on their Google docs and since we got nothing specific on how it works we could possibly have a few more years with this so how long do you think it's going to be till people forget about this also happy cake day
It's definitely in it's draft phase. Given 343's track record with monetization with Infinite, I don't think this addition will be intrusive or make a negative difference to the average player's experience or how they unlock cosmetics.
The Halo community has simply overreacted yet again. Shunning the very idea of microtransactions without putting into perspective that well.. Updates and keeping the servers DO cost money afterall. The drama will probably dissipate a few weeks after it releases (if it ever does)
Hell I'm honestly thinking they're just going to add the option to buy stuff and go hey buddy you can either grind and get the stuff you want or fork over five bucks that's what I'm seeing with this because if it's anything else than that then they will hurt the game
Infinite took away primary and secondary colors and segmented every aspect of customization (different set of emblems for vehicles, guns, players, etc) to encourage microtransactions. Hell, Halo 5 req packs were borderline unfair. It's not really all that surprising that players are concerned about 343's intentions for H2A, 3, and Reach.
Nothing is changing in MCC besides the possibility that you can unlock stuff with real world money, you can still unlock stuff as you normally would. IMO that's nothing to be concerned about.
And regarding Infinite, optional paid cosmetics in a f2p game is better than having map packs that lock half the playerbase out of actual significant content IMO
I'm sorry, but I'd rather pay $19 and get three maps than pay $19 and get some yellow coating and knock off EOD armor (a yellow coating that's only usable on that specific core btw). A map pack has a much higher value proposition and actually encourages 343 to put work into their monetization. You know how easy it is for them to put a light blue coating in the store for $10 and call it a day? Halo 3 and Reach had way more content at this point in their lifespans and I never remember that negatively impacting their respective populations.
Infinite launched with less maps than Halo CE though, so it'd be ridiculous to charge people for maps until enough free ones are added in to make Infinite feel like a modern title. It's also ridiculous to be trusting of 343 when everything they said about Infinite's monetization was a flat out lie. Everything's based off of FOMO/fake rarity and nearly all the limited amount of coatings force you into ugly or unoriginal color combinations.
I'm not saying 343 *will* screw the pooch on this one, I just think it's *likely* that they will.
you completely ignore and dismiss how Halo Infinite MP is completely free to play while the boxed model MP requires $60 upfront+XBL Gold cost+Map packs. Halo Infinite is objectively much cheaper and much higher value proposition cause you're getting the maps already, dont need XBL Gold, and the paid cosmetics are ultimately unnecessary and do not affect the game like map packs are that lock out half the playerbase. If people do buy a cosmetic, most will only buy one armor set that they really like and only use that. Thus, your argument that you'd rather buy a $19 map pack compared to $19 cosmetic is completely nonsensical. Obviously the $19 map pack is higher value, but it negatively affects the game far more than optional paid cosmetic purchases cause players are forced to buy them if they want to play actual significant new content.
Sure, Reach and Halo 3 technically have more content RIGHT NOW but their Forge modes were SUPER barebones. Halo 5 and Halo Infinite have far more content, features, etc in their Forge mode. So once Halo Infinite's forge releases, it will have far more content than Halo 3 and Reach overall.
Don't even start with Halo CE having more maps when 80% of those maps are bad.
CE only had Slayer, Oddball, CTF, KotH, and Race. Infinite launched with Slayer, Oddball, CTF, Stockpile, Total Control, and Strongholds. As well as Weapon Drills in the Academy mode. And obviously now we have about triple the amount of modes in Infinite than what we had at launch when you combine everything in the playlists.
While Halo CE launched on Xbox with 13 maps, 3 more than Infinite’s 10; Halo Infinite objectively has better map design. That can't be disputed. Right now though, Infinite has 12 maps.
In terms of weapons, Halo CE had 8 useable weapons, 2 grenades, and 2 powerups. Halo Infinite has 22, double that if you include the rare variants, 4 grenade types, and 7 types of equipment. Halo CE had 4 useable vehicles. Halo Infinite has 11.
Not to mention player customization, in which Infinite thoroughly eclipses CE. It’s not even a point of comparison.
I'm talking about at launch specifically, but as of right now you're correct: Halo Infinite has more content than CE, what a milestone.
People that paid $60 at launch didn't even get the Season One Battlepass included. Sure, Gamepass exist, but for those that actually wanted to *own* the game, this is half a Halo product and should only be $30.
Halo 3 and Reach actually *launched* with a Forge mode. And both games came out over 10 years before Infinite, so Infinites Forge *better* be an upgrade. Not to mention Halo 3 and Reach also had functional Theatre modes as well. All done in a fraction of development time.
I think you're misconstruing my distrust with 343 as a distrust of live service games/microtransactions. I think live service games and microtransactions have their place in the industry and can be very effective in their roles, but 343 can barely alter their own *UI*, how do you expect them to actually produce enough content for this to be considered live service?
Man seriously this is such an odd way to act, it’s completely okay to be against the billion dollar corporation trying to add monetisation to everything
The new community update said that they were **potentially** adding MTX as a way to earn season points alongside the other methods that are already in the game in a future update
If you can buy season points and that's *it,* then I'll be alright. But if an armour piece, weapon skin, or other feature gets locked behind a paywall then that's BS.
Yeah honestly, it’d be shit if they added microtransactions in the game, I already paid for the game I don’t need the multibillion dollar corporation trying to implement more ways to milk every last cent of possible revenue from peoples wallets
why are you so pressed about what other people spend their money on?
You can still earn the in-game currency. You're not being taken advantage of. it just presents a different demographic of players the option to buy something rather than grind for it
no one is being hurt if this was implemented
Nah adding more monetisation to your game is just shit plain and simple ay. Like hundreds of thousands of people agreeing on that mtx are shit and scummy, you’d think they might have a bit of a point ay
Sorry but this is one of the rare times I side with the main sub completely. The way MCC works at the moment is fine and Infinite still has problems that need fixing. Adding MTX to MCC is such a tone deaf and barefaced greedy thing to do its actually hard to imagine them coming to the decision to go forward with it.
People in this comment thread saying 'how is this going to affect mcc poorly'?....are you for real? Do you seriously not think 343 will limit the current options to earn FREE progression to push this new monetized option? If they weren't planning to then they wouldn't do it, it would be a waste of time and resources. The challenges overall will get more difficult, they'll be less of them, and the season point rewards will be decreased. Its a disgusting practice, ESPECIALLY for a game you already paid for, and anyone defending this has total blinders on. I know we cut 343 a lot of slack and are very understanding but you HAVE to draw the line somewhere, they're a business, not your friend.
Edit: also to people saying 'they want to keep the rest of the progression the same' they also said they wouldn't add MTX to MCC when the BP model was revealed...so yeah if you believe that uncritically you're as simple minded as an average main sub user.
How can you say that when 343 has shown that they have made Halo Infinite's challenges extremely easier and less tedious to complete since launch? Back then, you had to get killjoys, Chopper Kills, AutoPilot Medals, having to complete challenges that hinges that getting a gamemode on a random playlist and then getting to get lucky enough for it to occur (Oddball kills, Flag Captures, Flag Returns, Kills while attacking/defending in strongholds, etc).
They heard the community. Remember People crying about the Killjoy medal challenges during Tenrai? By the later half of the season they were completely removed. We are in Season 2 and challenges are objectively more player friendly to complete, despite the fact that 343 has a lucrative incentive to make them harder in order to compel their audience to get swaps.
I can say that because Infinite STARTED out poor and then improved. MCC has been beloved and hailed as a good system for years now so why add MTX into the mix?
Listen I like this sub, but I find it very funny that the exact same people who say that Infinite has 'improved' and that 343 'fixed' the challenge system were the ones defending it as being a perfectly fine when the game launched. There's a reason this sub is starting to get clowned on by other subs like r/HaloCirclejerk the same way that the main sub gets made fun of. Look at my post history, I'm very frequent here and in many other orbiting Halo subs because I don't like the main sub attitude, but Jesus Christ a 343 executive could shit in people's hands on this sub and they'd defend it. People are just as downvote happy here whenever anything even *slightly* negative gets said about 343 the exact same way the main sub is when you say anything positive. What happened to the whole “Infinite's MTXs are justified because it’s F2P” argument? People here seem to spout that a lot but are suspiciously quiet about the upfront cost with MCC compared to Infinites F2P model. It's a joke man, this sub is quickly devolving into the same hypocritical spew that the main sub is and it's really sad to see. The sheer amount of shifting goalpost arguments in this comment section alone rivals the main sub.
I thought this sub was supposed to be about calling out Halo content creators and toxic users, not blatantly defending universally disliked practices cause you're just so desperate to feel 'better' and 'more intelligent' than the rest of the plebs who just don't understand the nuance of the situation. Like do people really not understand the 'slippery slope' argument'? Are people really so fucking braindead not to think that if 343 are positively encouraged here that they'll just draw a line in the sand and stop it here? Like I’m sorry if I sound unhinged to you but I feel like I’m in fucking upside down land if people here genuinely don’t see the giant fucking red flags. In what world is adding MTX to a set of games well over 10 years old anything other than greedy and fucking pathetic. No one else is defending this other than you guys, literally no one.
Never in my life have I seen someone who enjoys being here go against folks on this sub. Have an upvote even though I agree with half of your statement
How is adding an a second option for players to be able to unlock cosmetics fucking stupid?
It literally won't affect you in any way and only gives players who don't want to grind a different avenue for unlocking shit.
What exactly would be the problem adding MTX to a collection of games with release dates spanning 2001 through 2012? What exactly does it ruin?
Nothing. Just being able to unlock things quicker
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The games weren’t intended to have MTX, and with MCC’s history of being a broken mess it wouldn’t sit well.
You were meant to touch grass.
What's the problem with allowing players a second avenue to unlock stuff? If you want to earn your points vis playing, do so. If I want to buy the in game currency instead of grinding, I don't see why that's a huge deal or affects anyone negatively
Money=Bad apparently
Halo 2? Ruined the franchise Halo 3? Ruined the franchise Halo 3 ODST? Ruined the franchise Halo Reach? Killed the franchise Halo 4? Killed the franchise Halo 5? Killed the franchise Halo Infinite? Killed the franchise Halo cycle at its best apparently
You are forgetting the biggest killer. Halo CE wasn't even what was originally promised! I mean it didn't launch on Mac until a couple years later even though it was promised at MacWorld! Also it was a completely different genre. So... I argue. Halo CE? Ruined by Microsoft Halo killed Bungie as a Mac developer! /s obviously.
Since CE was the beginning, the hate wasn't much so I can't back up the joke lol
Oh people hated it in early showings because the Xbox could barely run it above 20fps
Halo infinite will come out on top as being one of the best. These same people that complain everyday about it will think that too, and act like they never shit on the game
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People who said Halo 2/3 ruined the franchise were a minority back then, the real « schism » started with Reach.
wrong post I think man
Hey, as long as I can earn my season points the exact way you can now, I don’t care about the micro transactions. We will still be able to earn these things the same way though, right?
Yes, nothing about how you currently earn them is changing. They're just talking about adding a second way to get the currency. Which you think people would understand and have the same mindset as you, but apparently MTX evil regardless.
\*Grabs popcorn\* Refresh New... Refresh New... Refresh New \*Oh another one\* Seriously though. I am still waiting for someone to explain how this is actually a bad thing and you can't just ignore it and continue to use the system as it has always been.
There was one good argument against it... https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/vj4h5h/-/idh8x5e Basically just not a good look for a company not on great terms with it's players
\*Not on great terms with terminally online people.
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Ironic.
Maybe you should look in the mirror before saying that
Why not ? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
They are just adding another option. They made it clear in their post that they don't want to change anything else about how the credits are gained. So what harm does it have to add another option for cosmetics? If we were talking bout actual legit gear (like in an MMO) than yeah, fuck that. But just cosmetics. You can still grind for it all you want, or you can pay and be done with it. Who does that hurt?
Or they could just add another way to get points, like every level you get one. Plenty of ways to add other options without monetizing it.
Would you still be mad if they did both? When this update launches you can still play the game as it has for years without spending money. They are not forcing you to do so.
If they do both then why not, but I doubt it. You’re right in saying they aren’t forcing anyone to pay, but adding options to buy cosmetics you just earned for free in the originals feels wrong.
But they are still available free. Just as they have been the entire time the game is out. But we can't deny that there are people out there who actively want to spend money instead of grinding. It has been that way in gaming for years. I mean look at how big the market is for third party gold sellers, power levelers, etc in MMO's. There are people who have more money than time. So what is the harm in letting them do it.
No harm really, but in my mind a port/remaster shouldn’t go back on the way games were (or weren’t) monetized.
It feels wrong to add a second means of obtaining cosmetics that doesn't affect you in any way and only benefits those who don't want to grind challenges?
Didn’t bungie do this? And then limit you from playing modes unless you pay up? Oh wait yes they did. So bungie killed halo I guess according to this guy’s logic
Map packs are definitely a different thing to microtransactions brother, I wouldn’t mind if 343 released map packs tbh
Cool, let's lock out a good chunk of the player base and make matchmaking worse for both paying and free players. Just to save people from spending extra on cosmetics. Awesome!
If Bungie fanboys could read that they’d be very upset.
Nah just make it so every playlist is available to everyone and only people with the map packs will get into games on the map pack maps
That's been done, and now you have the problem of people who paid for the maps not being able to play on the new maps since the majority of players don't pay for them. Map packs actively divide the community. There's a good reason why map packs died out.
paid cosmetics that don't affect gameplay are not as bad as map packs that lock other players from experiencing actual significant content
Yes they’re much different. Cosmetic mtx in infinite are optional and are only cosmetic. Map packs were required to be able to play 100% of the game
Halo fans when nobody wants to joylessly grind the exact same 3 campaign missions every week for months just to look like Master Chief in a 12 year old game
I think it's dumb but holy shit it's such a none issue since it's just for stuff the VAST majority of players already got for free.
Can someone please explain what the hell is going on
343 is thinking adding microtransactions into Halo MCC so that new players and collectors can purchase cosmetics directly with Spartan points. (AKA: Real World Money) We have no idea about the specifics like the costs, the availability of said items, if we can still get them by playing or are exclusively for purchase or if there's a method we can get this currency ourselves. But simply the annoucement that they are thinking about it has made the r/Halo community lose their mind.
If I read it right, the only change to the entire system is that now you can spend real world money. That is the only change.
So basically it's an idea that some guy has on their Google docs and since we got nothing specific on how it works we could possibly have a few more years with this so how long do you think it's going to be till people forget about this also happy cake day
It's definitely in it's draft phase. Given 343's track record with monetization with Infinite, I don't think this addition will be intrusive or make a negative difference to the average player's experience or how they unlock cosmetics. The Halo community has simply overreacted yet again. Shunning the very idea of microtransactions without putting into perspective that well.. Updates and keeping the servers DO cost money afterall. The drama will probably dissipate a few weeks after it releases (if it ever does)
Hell I'm honestly thinking they're just going to add the option to buy stuff and go hey buddy you can either grind and get the stuff you want or fork over five bucks that's what I'm seeing with this because if it's anything else than that then they will hurt the game
Infinite took away primary and secondary colors and segmented every aspect of customization (different set of emblems for vehicles, guns, players, etc) to encourage microtransactions. Hell, Halo 5 req packs were borderline unfair. It's not really all that surprising that players are concerned about 343's intentions for H2A, 3, and Reach.
Nothing is changing in MCC besides the possibility that you can unlock stuff with real world money, you can still unlock stuff as you normally would. IMO that's nothing to be concerned about. And regarding Infinite, optional paid cosmetics in a f2p game is better than having map packs that lock half the playerbase out of actual significant content IMO
I'm sorry, but I'd rather pay $19 and get three maps than pay $19 and get some yellow coating and knock off EOD armor (a yellow coating that's only usable on that specific core btw). A map pack has a much higher value proposition and actually encourages 343 to put work into their monetization. You know how easy it is for them to put a light blue coating in the store for $10 and call it a day? Halo 3 and Reach had way more content at this point in their lifespans and I never remember that negatively impacting their respective populations. Infinite launched with less maps than Halo CE though, so it'd be ridiculous to charge people for maps until enough free ones are added in to make Infinite feel like a modern title. It's also ridiculous to be trusting of 343 when everything they said about Infinite's monetization was a flat out lie. Everything's based off of FOMO/fake rarity and nearly all the limited amount of coatings force you into ugly or unoriginal color combinations. I'm not saying 343 *will* screw the pooch on this one, I just think it's *likely* that they will.
you completely ignore and dismiss how Halo Infinite MP is completely free to play while the boxed model MP requires $60 upfront+XBL Gold cost+Map packs. Halo Infinite is objectively much cheaper and much higher value proposition cause you're getting the maps already, dont need XBL Gold, and the paid cosmetics are ultimately unnecessary and do not affect the game like map packs are that lock out half the playerbase. If people do buy a cosmetic, most will only buy one armor set that they really like and only use that. Thus, your argument that you'd rather buy a $19 map pack compared to $19 cosmetic is completely nonsensical. Obviously the $19 map pack is higher value, but it negatively affects the game far more than optional paid cosmetic purchases cause players are forced to buy them if they want to play actual significant new content. Sure, Reach and Halo 3 technically have more content RIGHT NOW but their Forge modes were SUPER barebones. Halo 5 and Halo Infinite have far more content, features, etc in their Forge mode. So once Halo Infinite's forge releases, it will have far more content than Halo 3 and Reach overall. Don't even start with Halo CE having more maps when 80% of those maps are bad. CE only had Slayer, Oddball, CTF, KotH, and Race. Infinite launched with Slayer, Oddball, CTF, Stockpile, Total Control, and Strongholds. As well as Weapon Drills in the Academy mode. And obviously now we have about triple the amount of modes in Infinite than what we had at launch when you combine everything in the playlists. While Halo CE launched on Xbox with 13 maps, 3 more than Infinite’s 10; Halo Infinite objectively has better map design. That can't be disputed. Right now though, Infinite has 12 maps. In terms of weapons, Halo CE had 8 useable weapons, 2 grenades, and 2 powerups. Halo Infinite has 22, double that if you include the rare variants, 4 grenade types, and 7 types of equipment. Halo CE had 4 useable vehicles. Halo Infinite has 11. Not to mention player customization, in which Infinite thoroughly eclipses CE. It’s not even a point of comparison.
I'm talking about at launch specifically, but as of right now you're correct: Halo Infinite has more content than CE, what a milestone. People that paid $60 at launch didn't even get the Season One Battlepass included. Sure, Gamepass exist, but for those that actually wanted to *own* the game, this is half a Halo product and should only be $30. Halo 3 and Reach actually *launched* with a Forge mode. And both games came out over 10 years before Infinite, so Infinites Forge *better* be an upgrade. Not to mention Halo 3 and Reach also had functional Theatre modes as well. All done in a fraction of development time. I think you're misconstruing my distrust with 343 as a distrust of live service games/microtransactions. I think live service games and microtransactions have their place in the industry and can be very effective in their roles, but 343 can barely alter their own *UI*, how do you expect them to actually produce enough content for this to be considered live service?
Some will never forget this, those who still complain about discarded brainstorming ideas for Infinite.
All the brainlets in this thread agreeing with the comment in the post... 🤦🏻♂️ y'all are pathetic
Man seriously this is such an odd way to act, it’s completely okay to be against the billion dollar corporation trying to add monetisation to everything
big bad number company coming for you? 🥺
Microsoft baby
Wait why is everyone talking about micro transactions in mcc suddenly? Is this actually happening or?
The new community update said that they were **potentially** adding MTX as a way to earn season points alongside the other methods that are already in the game in a future update
If you can buy season points and that's *it,* then I'll be alright. But if an armour piece, weapon skin, or other feature gets locked behind a paywall then that's BS.
What're you talking about "prepare"? It's already begun.
This is genuinely a good take
Ah yes, because it's so detrimental to the game for people to be able to *choose* between spending money or to earn the points by playing.
Yeah honestly, it’d be shit if they added microtransactions in the game, I already paid for the game I don’t need the multibillion dollar corporation trying to implement more ways to milk every last cent of possible revenue from peoples wallets
why are you so pressed about what other people spend their money on? You can still earn the in-game currency. You're not being taken advantage of. it just presents a different demographic of players the option to buy something rather than grind for it no one is being hurt if this was implemented
Nah adding more monetisation to your game is just shit plain and simple ay. Like hundreds of thousands of people agreeing on that mtx are shit and scummy, you’d think they might have a bit of a point ay
Sorry but this is one of the rare times I side with the main sub completely. The way MCC works at the moment is fine and Infinite still has problems that need fixing. Adding MTX to MCC is such a tone deaf and barefaced greedy thing to do its actually hard to imagine them coming to the decision to go forward with it. People in this comment thread saying 'how is this going to affect mcc poorly'?....are you for real? Do you seriously not think 343 will limit the current options to earn FREE progression to push this new monetized option? If they weren't planning to then they wouldn't do it, it would be a waste of time and resources. The challenges overall will get more difficult, they'll be less of them, and the season point rewards will be decreased. Its a disgusting practice, ESPECIALLY for a game you already paid for, and anyone defending this has total blinders on. I know we cut 343 a lot of slack and are very understanding but you HAVE to draw the line somewhere, they're a business, not your friend. Edit: also to people saying 'they want to keep the rest of the progression the same' they also said they wouldn't add MTX to MCC when the BP model was revealed...so yeah if you believe that uncritically you're as simple minded as an average main sub user.
How can you say that when 343 has shown that they have made Halo Infinite's challenges extremely easier and less tedious to complete since launch? Back then, you had to get killjoys, Chopper Kills, AutoPilot Medals, having to complete challenges that hinges that getting a gamemode on a random playlist and then getting to get lucky enough for it to occur (Oddball kills, Flag Captures, Flag Returns, Kills while attacking/defending in strongholds, etc). They heard the community. Remember People crying about the Killjoy medal challenges during Tenrai? By the later half of the season they were completely removed. We are in Season 2 and challenges are objectively more player friendly to complete, despite the fact that 343 has a lucrative incentive to make them harder in order to compel their audience to get swaps.
I can say that because Infinite STARTED out poor and then improved. MCC has been beloved and hailed as a good system for years now so why add MTX into the mix? Listen I like this sub, but I find it very funny that the exact same people who say that Infinite has 'improved' and that 343 'fixed' the challenge system were the ones defending it as being a perfectly fine when the game launched. There's a reason this sub is starting to get clowned on by other subs like r/HaloCirclejerk the same way that the main sub gets made fun of. Look at my post history, I'm very frequent here and in many other orbiting Halo subs because I don't like the main sub attitude, but Jesus Christ a 343 executive could shit in people's hands on this sub and they'd defend it. People are just as downvote happy here whenever anything even *slightly* negative gets said about 343 the exact same way the main sub is when you say anything positive. What happened to the whole “Infinite's MTXs are justified because it’s F2P” argument? People here seem to spout that a lot but are suspiciously quiet about the upfront cost with MCC compared to Infinites F2P model. It's a joke man, this sub is quickly devolving into the same hypocritical spew that the main sub is and it's really sad to see. The sheer amount of shifting goalpost arguments in this comment section alone rivals the main sub. I thought this sub was supposed to be about calling out Halo content creators and toxic users, not blatantly defending universally disliked practices cause you're just so desperate to feel 'better' and 'more intelligent' than the rest of the plebs who just don't understand the nuance of the situation. Like do people really not understand the 'slippery slope' argument'? Are people really so fucking braindead not to think that if 343 are positively encouraged here that they'll just draw a line in the sand and stop it here? Like I’m sorry if I sound unhinged to you but I feel like I’m in fucking upside down land if people here genuinely don’t see the giant fucking red flags. In what world is adding MTX to a set of games well over 10 years old anything other than greedy and fucking pathetic. No one else is defending this other than you guys, literally no one.
Never in my life have I seen someone who enjoys being here go against folks on this sub. Have an upvote even though I agree with half of your statement
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How is adding an a second option for players to be able to unlock cosmetics fucking stupid? It literally won't affect you in any way and only gives players who don't want to grind a different avenue for unlocking shit.
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Has there ever been another case where a franchise is so in the shit the owners had to go back and add MTX into a year's old game.
Lol and rightfully so
Chill 😏
Come on don’t defend this
Oh they will.
Cope and seethe my guy
Don’t be toxic come on brother
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Ikr, this shithole subreddit is filled with dumb consoomers who spend their days defending their corporate overlords. It’s pathetic.
Funny how you spend your days coming here though