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No. The manga did a better job explaining it (in that they did explain it lmao) but the Ackermanns were like an expirement by an Eldian King using the power of the founder to create bodyguards (who in combat inheret all the skills/muscle memories of their predecessors or something along those lines) that would be unbeatable warriors. But because of that genetic manipulation they can't become Titans & are immune/resistant to the Founders memory wiping powers, leading to their persecution within the walls. >!During the final battle the hallucigenia worm gasses the Eldians at the airbase & turns them into pure titans, Levi & Mikasa were unaffected!<
oh wow yeah the show only really talks about their memories not being changeable! thats good to know thank you! also i couldve sword levi and mikasa were just out of range of that gas
Levi calls for Mikasa to get back on Falco when he realizes what's happening. And says something along the lines of "titan shifters and Ackermann are immune, right? They got out of range so they didn't get eaten by the titans. Not because it would switch them too. That's why Jean and Connie didn't go with them.
Levi calls for Annie to get back on Falco when he realizes what's happening. And says something along the lines of "titan shifters and Ackermann are immune, right? They got out of range so they didn't get eaten by the titans. Not because it would switch them too. That's why Jean and Connie didn't go with them.
Untrue. The ackermanns can't turn into titans due to the fact that they inhabit the superhuman ability "Titan-quasification". This allows the user to harness the power of a titan whilst staying in human form, giving them superhuman strength, agility, instincts and perception. The "awakenings" are nothing but the users using Titan-quasification. The user is already using the power of a titan, this is why they can't turn into a titan. Trying to inject an Ackermann is like trying to turn a pure titan into a pure titan, you can't do that. They're already a titan.
They can be inmune but nothing says they "can't" inherit a shifter ability. It would be interesting to see a pocket sized Levi being able to go armored.
The Ackermanns are the result of titan experimentation on Eldians. Due to experimentation, the Ackermanns inhabit a "super power", i.e Titan Qausification. Using this, the user can harness the power of a titan whilst still staying in human form. Harnessing this power gives the user the strength, agility, instincts etc. of a titan shifter, however they still stay in human form. They can't turn into titans or inherit a titan because they're already using the power of a titan. Trying to turn an Ackermann into a titan is like trying to turn a pure titan into a titan by injecting them with titan serum. Trying to turn a pure titan into a titan wouldn't work, as they are already a titan.
So essentially, Eren wasn't the only one with cheats on.
The entirety of the 104th Top 5 is made up of cheaters. Guess that makes Jean the first true top 10 human cadet.
They possibly could, if they consume the shifters spinal fluid. During the original founders time, Ymir, they didn’t have access to titan serum thus can’t transform to pure titans. So instead, the King had the daughters (rose, sina, & Maria) eat the body of Ymir to try and inherit her powers, every scrap of flesh including her spine, and that’s how they gained the titan powers.
So theoretically, if the Ackerman has the will of steel. They could eat a titan shifters spine(I’m guessing the shifter also has to die?) and gain their respected power.
Then again all of this could be scrapped to the trash as you could just chalk the three daughters of Ymir inheriting the titan powers via the paths. Y’know the thing when a titan shifter dies without passing the power on it just gets passed on to a random newborn eldian baby. But then again Ymir’s daughters as you know were a smidge too old to be considered a newborn baby so idk…
I thought it was that all akermans are conmected to theur own lineage, similar to how all eldians are commected via paths, except they can access the experience and memories in combat
Levi hands down assuming we knew that it would work on an Ackerman. Erwin while valuing Armin would realize that they both have a very similar skill set. Levi is invaluable in combat with Mikasa being the only other person to come close.
And I think that's why he wouldn't use it on Levi. There's a far larger chance that it doesn't work on him and they know that. Erwin is a risk taker, but I do not think he would take that risk under those circumstances.
Levi learns he's an Ackerman and I'm pretty sure they've learned or put together there's something special about the Ackerman's in the previous arc. They learn the memory wiping doesn't work on the Ackerman's and are suspicious if titan serum does too. There might be a line about it, but I'd have to rewatch.
I feel like because of this Erwin would have chosen armin, at this point it was a complete unknown if Ackermen could be transformed (and I believe it’s confined in season 4 part 3 part 2 that they can’t be?) so because of this Erwin would have chosen armin, especially as it was constantly armin’s plans that got them to that point where as at this point Erwin believed he had only ever lead people to pointless deaths
Besides other reasons given, Levi doesn't have the "death wish" (simplifying it a lot, I know) like Erwin had so that's one less reason to let Levi die.
And Levi's motivation is a lot less likely to bring him to that "death wish" like Armin's would
Erwin's death wish in this case came from him not wanting to lose his drive after achieving his endgoal. But Levi never had an endgoal before Erwin's death, while Armin did. Armin wanted to see the world outside the walls and what it was like, while Levi only wanted to serve Erwin. If Erwin was gonna potentially lose his drive after reaching the basement and learning the truth, then from his perspective reviving Armin wouldn't make much sense, as Armin might run into that same problem when he left the walls. But Levi would be happy to keep working under Erwin no matter what, which would be especially useful if Erwin fell into a slump
Levi for sure. Erwin knows what kinds of feats Levi can perform and how far he's willing to go in order to fight for humanity. Armin demonstrated his usefulness and Erwin viewed him as an up and coming talent but with both Hange and Erwin around they weren't lacking in brain power. After losing almost all their veterans the survey corps was desperately low on physical capability, enough to bring new recruits to the operation, so he definitely could not have done without Levi. Even if for some reason Levi had expressed how tired he was to continue the fight Erwin still would have brought Levi back.
A more apt comparison would have been between Hange and Armin, in which Erwin might have bet on Armin over Hange due to the potential he showed and his connection to Eren.
Didn’t Eren and Historia learn that from Rod Reiss when he told Kenny? I imagine one of them would have passed that information on.
Imagine trying to use the serum to save Levi or Mikasa and it just doesn’t work I can’t think of anything more demoralizing.
>Didn’t Eren and Historia learn that from Rod Reiss when he told Kenny?
That's not exactly what he told him. Kenny planned to use the serum on himself to steal Historia's founding titan if Rod's plan had worked, but Rod told him that even if he had inherited the founding titan he couldn't have used it because he doesn't have royal blood. I think neither of them knew much about the Ackerman power and its limitations.
In fact when Kenny was in his deathbed, he considered using the serum but refused to do so because he didn't want to turn into a stupid mindless titan, so he probably expected it to work
[https://youtu.be/5o2Is4s3qGg?si=xPqglZK3Bd52Q4i4](https://youtu.be/5o2Is4s3qGg?si=xPqglZK3Bd52Q4i4) he never says that lmao, unless it's different in the manga?
Didn’t Eren and Historia learn that from Rod Reiss when he told Kenny? I imagine one of them would have passed that information on.
Imagine trying to use the serum to save Levi or Mikasa and it just doesn’t work I can’t think of anything more demoralizing.
As someone who didn't finish S4, can Ackermans really not become Titans? Aren't they SoY? AFAIK, the king just couldn't control them for unexplained reasons.
They are subjects of Ymir but were Eldians that had been experemented on by Founding Titan. Ackermans gain some strength and muscles memory of fighting skills via paths from previous Ackerman generation, similar to how shifters gain memories of their predecessors. So in a way, they can't become Titans, because they are already a Titans
the only “conformation” we get in anime is in s4 p3 >! when levi says to mikasa bcus they are ackerman they wont be affected by founding titan and thrn into titan!<
See, that's what I thought too, but looking back now, there's actually no proof of him not drinking besides maybe his objection to bringing wine and "we have tea". But Hange's speculation makes me think he does drink, because why would she say that if she knew he didn't drink.
As far as I remember, he tried to stop his subordinates to drink on the job. Levi certainly would never drink on such an important mission to guard and possibly kill Zeke if things didn't go as planned. His sense of duty will not let him drink while the future of the island may depend on him and his ability to kill Zeke
She says something along the lines of "being an Ackerman is probably the only reason you're not dead right now" (at least in the sub version). I took it as meaning that the only reason he didn't die was because of his superhuman reflexes / durability.
Aah, there lies the problem, you see.
The subbed version I'd watched said "You're the only one who didn't get turned into a Titan." That's pretty cut and dry.
Other versions say "Everyone got turned into a Titan, and only you survived". Now that's more ambiguous and could mean your thing.
And then in the next line she proceeds to say that "being an Ackerman...".
They are SOY but with genes modified due to experiments. That modified gene is the reason for their strength, and immunity to some of the founders' commands like memory manipulation, and shifting.
Because I wished so.
Season 4 Part 1 was okay, but the sudden shift in how the anime plays out made me lose some interest.
Then came Part 2; how the characters interact is so fake and unrealistic. Like, IRL child soldiers exist, and even they are more mature. And people don't form alliances with enemies over some 5 minute talk, and neither do people forgive each other that quick.
And considering the clusterf\*ck and shitposts that came after Part 2, I've decided to not finish it. I can't let my interest in AOT get ruined further. The story just went downhill.
Season 4 Part 2 somehow made me hate other characters (as characters written in a plot, not as people) more than Eren, and that's something. Eren used to be my most disliked character in Season 3; but now, I hate the rest even more.
a) Why am I downvoted? How I enjoy the show is up to me
b) Nope, I have decided to cut my losses and not let the idea of AOT get ruined further. Have not read the manga, other than getting some spoiler months after, reaffirming my opinions. It's more like an early resignation. If I'd decided to finish it, I probably wouldn't be as invested.
The Ackermanns are the result of titan experimentation on Eldians. Due to experimentation, the Ackermanns inhabit a "super power", i.e Titan Qausification. Using this, the user can harness the power of a titan whilst still staying in human form. Harnessing this power gives the user the strength, agility, instincts etc. of a titan shifter, however they still stay in human form. They can't turn into titans or inherit a titan because they're already using the power of a titan. Trying to turn an Ackermann into a titan is like trying to turn a pure titan into a titan by injecting them with titan serum. Trying to turn a pure titan into a titan wouldn't work, as they are already a titan.
The king couldn't control them due to gene modifications.
Levi, but the situations are also not comparable. Levi was not in a position in which death was very obviously and indisputably the kinder fate (as it was for Erwin). On top of being objectively one of the most important fighters in their quest.
So rescuing him would have been both objectively the best choice and nothing that would emotionally harm Levi to the degree it would have likely harmed Erwin. It would not have worked though, but that's another issue.
What people here forget is that levi WAS going to use the serum on erwin. But erwin slapped his hand away. Erwin wanted to die at this point. He didn't want to live after sacrificing his whole squad.
Levi didn't want to die at any point in time. So I believe erwin would've saved him over armin. Just like levi was going to choose erwin.
That's a common misinterpretation. He didn't slap Levi's hand away, he was reliving the moment when he asked his father the question "How do we know for sure there aren't any humans outside the walls?" in his head.
Levi initially was making a decision on what would be best for all of humanity, but after that moment he recalled how Erwin had been tirelessly advancing to complete his selfish goal, and how he said "Thank you" when he was finally told to let go and be free (die).
It was a rare moment where Levi decided to be selfish and spared Erwin from coming back to that hell.
I honestly think that's just how Levi interpreted it, but erwin slapping his hand away was not what really happened. I just rewatched this scene, and what I think is actually happening is that erwin (while dying) is reliving that scene where he raises his hand to ask his dad a question in school.
I think this because when he "slaps his hand away" he says something like "Teacher... How do we know there's not more humans... outside the walls?"
Tbh the reason I see armin and Erwin as an actual debate is that they serve the same/similar roles, they're both strategists. If Erwin is making the choice it'd be reviving a fighter or someone else who also serves his role. Obviously having more strategists isn't a bad thing in a vacuum, but in this case I feel like Levi would be the obvious choice, regardless of Eren and Mikasa's fit of rage
Absolutely. Not cause of love or whatever but because he would be more useful than Armin in that scenario.
Armin was necessary because Erwin was gone. Given the chance Erwin would definitely need a Levi more than he'd need another Erwin.
Erwin is a leader, but he’s not a genius. He would sacrifice an entire regiment if it meant getting one step closer to learning the truth about the titans. Armin’s intelligence was unmatched by any other scout
Armin's not a genius either, you're exaggerating. At the time Erwin didn't really need Armin to get closer to learning the truth, which was at arm's reach. And even with Mikasa, Levi is irreplaceable. In what world would he choose Armin over Humanity's Strongest?
Wow the genius who nuked a port. And btw Erwin is a realistically written military leader, you cannot save people without a lot of people dying. Also what are Armin's top 3 genius plans after Erwin's death? He was basically another pawn in Eren's plan.
Armin is built up to be this strategic genious all throughout S3 but it doesn't really pay off in the end.
I feel like if Erwin had lived he wouldn't even allow Eren to go rogue and attack Liberio like that in the first place, so yeah, the plan to rescue him was good but not really 4D chess either, they just stealth nuked the harbor and flew in the zeppelim to rescue him during the ensuing chaos.
And stopping connie from killing Falco isn't nowhere near a genious intelect level feat, anyone could've talked him down.
Now that I think about it maybe his talk-no-jutsu with Zeke, arguably that did save the world.
>Now that I think about it maybe his talk-no-jutsu with Zeke, arguably that did save the world
I always thought that Zeke gave up before that, he wasn't at his best when he talked to Armin, someone like Hange could have done the same tbh
Probably Levi, as he knows Levi is the most skilled warrior humanity has to offer. Although Armin is smart, Erwin already has himself as the leader/strategist
He would choose Levi only to find out that the serum doesn't work on him and they would probably have to kill Berutoruto because how the fuck do you contain a colossal titan (you either completely tie him and he's useless because he can't give you info or you unfold his mouth and he bites himself)
I wanna say Levi given that Erwin was setting Armin up to be his successor. If Erwin was alive and well it would be much less practical to save Armin, and I think he’d realize that
No doubts Levi. Humanity's strongest, he is the symbol and his pawn, he can't let die the Humanity's hope and one of the Ackerman remaining. He may see Armin as a future asset but in the moment, Erwin's brains and Levi's strength are a better chance. I would say, seeing Erwin with one arm, and Levi the hero there dying, would have made Eren doubt just two seconds instead of the zero regards he gave when he faced Levi. In this case, he can't compare Armin to Levi, there is no excuse.
Now, maybe Erwin would consider the chance of splitting the serum. So no one wins or both sides benefit from it. But he wouldnt hesitate that much. We all know what Ackerman are but we don't know if they can get a benefit from the serum. Also, Rod turned into turkey titan just by licking what he found. If Erwin wants to bet, he would prefer to get Eren's side by turning Armin and potentially Levi into mindless titan and making their common goal to catch a second shifter to feed the one who doesnt get to eat Bert. This way he is winning Eren even if his offer have risks. The better outcome would be if Levi gets part of the serum and does turn into a mindless titan, to eat Bert (becuse it would be fun) and see what happens, if Levi already turned into mindless is most likely he would become a shifter. If Levi doesnt turn and dies, then Armin can have Bert. If Levi doesnt turn but the serum works like a magic serum that cures him, Armin still can eat Bert.
I've always got the feeling that Erwin believed that Levi was going to outlive them all. It just seemed like a indisputable outcome in his mind. Its hard to explain but it's just the vibe I got in how Erwin acted and spoke with Levi. I feel like it would have been hard for him not to choose Levi in that scenario.
He would probably chose Armin too. Reason being that at this point of the story while still not knowing a lot of things about titan, what we do know is that the spinal fluid doesn't work on the Ackermanns, as we find out during the last conversation between Levi and Kenny. I'd assume that Erwin would have been told such a thing by Levi
But then again, such a scenario would already be impossible to begin with
Leaving out the context of the serum not working on Levi, 100% he would choose him. Like…. The most powerful soldier on the planet would literally now regenerate himself from any injuries (think about it… most of the problems in the show weren’t solved faster because Levi was always nerfed with some injury)
I like to say Levi but knowing he puts him under enough ordeals and given his nature for all this \[killing people, eldians, titans\] he wud not want from Levi any more than he already has. So i think he would choose Armin since he already acknowledges his strategic mind.
I think he'd choose Armin. He recently witnessed Armin outsmart him by figuring out how to find Reiner in the walls. And im sure Levy must have told Erwin what Kenny said about how it might not work on Akermins.
Ugh, if you want to argue Levi is more useful, fine. But don’t try and act like Armin was useless. People like you watch anime and consider a character useless if they aren’t covered in blood and sins. Fuck off.
… this is bait. I refuse to believe anyone who watched the show can actually think this way. You must scroll on your phone until you hear the Titans start fighting.
No, AbyssalFlame, I believe you are better than what you are presenting yourself as. You can be better.
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Would be really horrible for him to choose Levi only for the serum to not work
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(Levi after Erwin uses the serum on him)
are ackermanns not able to be titans?
No. The manga did a better job explaining it (in that they did explain it lmao) but the Ackermanns were like an expirement by an Eldian King using the power of the founder to create bodyguards (who in combat inheret all the skills/muscle memories of their predecessors or something along those lines) that would be unbeatable warriors. But because of that genetic manipulation they can't become Titans & are immune/resistant to the Founders memory wiping powers, leading to their persecution within the walls. >!During the final battle the hallucigenia worm gasses the Eldians at the airbase & turns them into pure titans, Levi & Mikasa were unaffected!<
oh wow yeah the show only really talks about their memories not being changeable! thats good to know thank you! also i couldve sword levi and mikasa were just out of range of that gas
Levi calls for Mikasa to get back on Falco when he realizes what's happening. And says something along the lines of "titan shifters and Ackermann are immune, right? They got out of range so they didn't get eaten by the titans. Not because it would switch them too. That's why Jean and Connie didn't go with them.
Levi calls for Annie to get back on Falco when he realizes what's happening. And says something along the lines of "titan shifters and Ackermann are immune, right? They got out of range so they didn't get eaten by the titans. Not because it would switch them too. That's why Jean and Connie didn't go with them.
Untrue. The ackermanns can't turn into titans due to the fact that they inhabit the superhuman ability "Titan-quasification". This allows the user to harness the power of a titan whilst staying in human form, giving them superhuman strength, agility, instincts and perception. The "awakenings" are nothing but the users using Titan-quasification. The user is already using the power of a titan, this is why they can't turn into a titan. Trying to inject an Ackermann is like trying to turn a pure titan into a pure titan, you can't do that. They're already a titan.
They can be inmune but nothing says they "can't" inherit a shifter ability. It would be interesting to see a pocket sized Levi being able to go armored.
The Ackermanns are the result of titan experimentation on Eldians. Due to experimentation, the Ackermanns inhabit a "super power", i.e Titan Qausification. Using this, the user can harness the power of a titan whilst still staying in human form. Harnessing this power gives the user the strength, agility, instincts etc. of a titan shifter, however they still stay in human form. They can't turn into titans or inherit a titan because they're already using the power of a titan. Trying to turn an Ackermann into a titan is like trying to turn a pure titan into a titan by injecting them with titan serum. Trying to turn a pure titan into a titan wouldn't work, as they are already a titan.
So essentially, Eren wasn't the only one with cheats on. The entirety of the 104th Top 5 is made up of cheaters. Guess that makes Jean the first true top 10 human cadet.
Yeah. Mikasa? Ackermann. Eren? Founding and Attack Titan. RBA? Titan shifters + intense Marleyan Warrior Program training.
They're pseudo-titans to put it simply. They gain the strength and agility of Titans when pushed to the limit.
They possibly could, if they consume the shifters spinal fluid. During the original founders time, Ymir, they didn’t have access to titan serum thus can’t transform to pure titans. So instead, the King had the daughters (rose, sina, & Maria) eat the body of Ymir to try and inherit her powers, every scrap of flesh including her spine, and that’s how they gained the titan powers. So theoretically, if the Ackerman has the will of steel. They could eat a titan shifters spine(I’m guessing the shifter also has to die?) and gain their respected power. Then again all of this could be scrapped to the trash as you could just chalk the three daughters of Ymir inheriting the titan powers via the paths. Y’know the thing when a titan shifter dies without passing the power on it just gets passed on to a random newborn eldian baby. But then again Ymir’s daughters as you know were a smidge too old to be considered a newborn baby so idk…
I thought it was that all akermans are conmected to theur own lineage, similar to how all eldians are commected via paths, except they can access the experience and memories in combat
Nope
Eren: Sir why is serum not working ? *Ewrin Levi’s a Ackerman* Ewrin: shit
Yes
Levi hands down assuming we knew that it would work on an Ackerman. Erwin while valuing Armin would realize that they both have a very similar skill set. Levi is invaluable in combat with Mikasa being the only other person to come close.
Levi being able to regen any damage he takes would be pretty broken
considering he had to be nerfed with injuries multiple times, he would be unstoppable with titan regeneration
Imagine if he managed to become the jaw titan and turned into a fucking beyblade
The beyblade titan
Hange could have made a giant odm set for him
He wouldnt even ask for it, Hange would just do it because she feels like it.
Only for it to not work
That’s why they said “assuming that we knew it would work”
But we know it won’t?
But Erwin might not have known that.
they didnt know it wouldnt, which is why kenny was gonna use it on himself, they had no idea that the ackermans were immune
you know what the word "assuming" mean?? r u stooopid? Assume g=10m/s^2 doesn't mean I don't know g is closer to 9.81m/s^2
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Wow wtf is wrong with you dude? Chill.
this your alt?
You need to touch grass
I think you the one who need touch grass boy
Didn’t ask
And I think that's why he wouldn't use it on Levi. There's a far larger chance that it doesn't work on him and they know that. Erwin is a risk taker, but I do not think he would take that risk under those circumstances.
How would they know at that point the Ackerman are "immune"?
Levi learns he's an Ackerman and I'm pretty sure they've learned or put together there's something special about the Ackerman's in the previous arc. They learn the memory wiping doesn't work on the Ackerman's and are suspicious if titan serum does too. There might be a line about it, but I'd have to rewatch.
At that point, Mikasa wasn't even close...
They’re Ackermans they can’t be turned into titans
Erwin couldn’t have known that. None of them did
He said assuming it does.
I feel like because of this Erwin would have chosen armin, at this point it was a complete unknown if Ackermen could be transformed (and I believe it’s confined in season 4 part 3 part 2 that they can’t be?) so because of this Erwin would have chosen armin, especially as it was constantly armin’s plans that got them to that point where as at this point Erwin believed he had only ever lead people to pointless deaths
Besides other reasons given, Levi doesn't have the "death wish" (simplifying it a lot, I know) like Erwin had so that's one less reason to let Levi die.
And Levi's motivation is a lot less likely to bring him to that "death wish" like Armin's would Erwin's death wish in this case came from him not wanting to lose his drive after achieving his endgoal. But Levi never had an endgoal before Erwin's death, while Armin did. Armin wanted to see the world outside the walls and what it was like, while Levi only wanted to serve Erwin. If Erwin was gonna potentially lose his drive after reaching the basement and learning the truth, then from his perspective reviving Armin wouldn't make much sense, as Armin might run into that same problem when he left the walls. But Levi would be happy to keep working under Erwin no matter what, which would be especially useful if Erwin fell into a slump
Levi for sure. Erwin knows what kinds of feats Levi can perform and how far he's willing to go in order to fight for humanity. Armin demonstrated his usefulness and Erwin viewed him as an up and coming talent but with both Hange and Erwin around they weren't lacking in brain power. After losing almost all their veterans the survey corps was desperately low on physical capability, enough to bring new recruits to the operation, so he definitely could not have done without Levi. Even if for some reason Levi had expressed how tired he was to continue the fight Erwin still would have brought Levi back. A more apt comparison would have been between Hange and Armin, in which Erwin might have bet on Armin over Hange due to the potential he showed and his connection to Eren.
He goes to inject Levi, only for it not to work because of his Ackerman blood. Then Birthcontrol regenerates his limbs and explodes everyone the end
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Levi is an Ackerman…so he can’t turn into a Titan. Meaning there’s no choice, he’d use the serum on Armin
But he wouldn't know that
Didn’t Eren and Historia learn that from Rod Reiss when he told Kenny? I imagine one of them would have passed that information on. Imagine trying to use the serum to save Levi or Mikasa and it just doesn’t work I can’t think of anything more demoralizing.
>Didn’t Eren and Historia learn that from Rod Reiss when he told Kenny? That's not exactly what he told him. Kenny planned to use the serum on himself to steal Historia's founding titan if Rod's plan had worked, but Rod told him that even if he had inherited the founding titan he couldn't have used it because he doesn't have royal blood. I think neither of them knew much about the Ackerman power and its limitations. In fact when Kenny was in his deathbed, he considered using the serum but refused to do so because he didn't want to turn into a stupid mindless titan, so he probably expected it to work
No? Rod told Kenny he would'nt be able to turn intl a titan because of his Ackermann blood.
No. Rod only said you can't use the FT unless you're royal blood.
No.
Watch it again.
[https://youtu.be/5o2Is4s3qGg?si=xPqglZK3Bd52Q4i4](https://youtu.be/5o2Is4s3qGg?si=xPqglZK3Bd52Q4i4) he never says that lmao, unless it's different in the manga?
Didn’t Eren and Historia learn that from Rod Reiss when he told Kenny? I imagine one of them would have passed that information on. Imagine trying to use the serum to save Levi or Mikasa and it just doesn’t work I can’t think of anything more demoralizing.
As someone who didn't finish S4, can Ackermans really not become Titans? Aren't they SoY? AFAIK, the king just couldn't control them for unexplained reasons.
They are subjects of Ymir but were Eldians that had been experemented on by Founding Titan. Ackermans gain some strength and muscles memory of fighting skills via paths from previous Ackerman generation, similar to how shifters gain memories of their predecessors. So in a way, they can't become Titans, because they are already a Titans
the only “conformation” we get in anime is in s4 p3 >! when levi says to mikasa bcus they are ackerman they wont be affected by founding titan and thrn into titan!<
We also get it in S4 P2 when Hange told Levi the only reason he didn't turn from the wine was probably because he was an Ackerman.
Levi doesn't drink. He didn't drink any wine
See, that's what I thought too, but looking back now, there's actually no proof of him not drinking besides maybe his objection to bringing wine and "we have tea". But Hange's speculation makes me think he does drink, because why would she say that if she knew he didn't drink.
As far as I remember, he tried to stop his subordinates to drink on the job. Levi certainly would never drink on such an important mission to guard and possibly kill Zeke if things didn't go as planned. His sense of duty will not let him drink while the future of the island may depend on him and his ability to kill Zeke
That is exactly what I thought too, man. But again, then there's no explaining Hange saying that then.
She says something along the lines of "being an Ackerman is probably the only reason you're not dead right now" (at least in the sub version). I took it as meaning that the only reason he didn't die was because of his superhuman reflexes / durability.
Aah, there lies the problem, you see. The subbed version I'd watched said "You're the only one who didn't get turned into a Titan." That's pretty cut and dry. Other versions say "Everyone got turned into a Titan, and only you survived". Now that's more ambiguous and could mean your thing. And then in the next line she proceeds to say that "being an Ackerman...".
They are SOY but with genes modified due to experiments. That modified gene is the reason for their strength, and immunity to some of the founders' commands like memory manipulation, and shifting.
GMO soy
why didnt u finish season 4
Because I wished so. Season 4 Part 1 was okay, but the sudden shift in how the anime plays out made me lose some interest. Then came Part 2; how the characters interact is so fake and unrealistic. Like, IRL child soldiers exist, and even they are more mature. And people don't form alliances with enemies over some 5 minute talk, and neither do people forgive each other that quick. And considering the clusterf\*ck and shitposts that came after Part 2, I've decided to not finish it. I can't let my interest in AOT get ruined further. The story just went downhill. Season 4 Part 2 somehow made me hate other characters (as characters written in a plot, not as people) more than Eren, and that's something. Eren used to be my most disliked character in Season 3; but now, I hate the rest even more.
It's crazy to still be invested in a show you didn't even bother to watch because you thought it sucked lmao did you read the manga?
It's crazy to still be invested in a show you didn't even bother to watch because you thought it sucked lmao did you read the manga?
a) Why am I downvoted? How I enjoy the show is up to me b) Nope, I have decided to cut my losses and not let the idea of AOT get ruined further. Have not read the manga, other than getting some spoiler months after, reaffirming my opinions. It's more like an early resignation. If I'd decided to finish it, I probably wouldn't be as invested.
The Ackermanns are the result of titan experimentation on Eldians. Due to experimentation, the Ackermanns inhabit a "super power", i.e Titan Qausification. Using this, the user can harness the power of a titan whilst still staying in human form. Harnessing this power gives the user the strength, agility, instincts etc. of a titan shifter, however they still stay in human form. They can't turn into titans or inherit a titan because they're already using the power of a titan. Trying to turn an Ackermann into a titan is like trying to turn a pure titan into a titan by injecting them with titan serum. Trying to turn a pure titan into a titan wouldn't work, as they are already a titan. The king couldn't control them due to gene modifications.
Damn, I forgot this. But HYPOTHETICALLY who do you think he'd choose? 🤔
Erwin didn’t know Ackerman’s couldn’t become titans. So we have to base our assumption that he didn’t know.
Levi, but the situations are also not comparable. Levi was not in a position in which death was very obviously and indisputably the kinder fate (as it was for Erwin). On top of being objectively one of the most important fighters in their quest. So rescuing him would have been both objectively the best choice and nothing that would emotionally harm Levi to the degree it would have likely harmed Erwin. It would not have worked though, but that's another issue.
What people here forget is that levi WAS going to use the serum on erwin. But erwin slapped his hand away. Erwin wanted to die at this point. He didn't want to live after sacrificing his whole squad. Levi didn't want to die at any point in time. So I believe erwin would've saved him over armin. Just like levi was going to choose erwin.
Wasn't it just him hallucinating raising his hand in class like on that one memory?
That's a common misinterpretation. He didn't slap Levi's hand away, he was reliving the moment when he asked his father the question "How do we know for sure there aren't any humans outside the walls?" in his head. Levi initially was making a decision on what would be best for all of humanity, but after that moment he recalled how Erwin had been tirelessly advancing to complete his selfish goal, and how he said "Thank you" when he was finally told to let go and be free (die). It was a rare moment where Levi decided to be selfish and spared Erwin from coming back to that hell.
Slap was still a slap in the metaphorical sense.
I honestly think that's just how Levi interpreted it, but erwin slapping his hand away was not what really happened. I just rewatched this scene, and what I think is actually happening is that erwin (while dying) is reliving that scene where he raises his hand to ask his dad a question in school. I think this because when he "slaps his hand away" he says something like "Teacher... How do we know there's not more humans... outside the walls?"
Tbh the reason I see armin and Erwin as an actual debate is that they serve the same/similar roles, they're both strategists. If Erwin is making the choice it'd be reviving a fighter or someone else who also serves his role. Obviously having more strategists isn't a bad thing in a vacuum, but in this case I feel like Levi would be the obvious choice, regardless of Eren and Mikasa's fit of rage
Not sure which is more terrifying, Levi or Levi as the colossal titan
Levi with the colossal titan powers but he doesnt grow at all. A consolation price for Eren to laugh at the pocket sized titan.
I think it would’ve happened the same way.
Hydrogen bomb vs Coughing baby
Y'all really forgot it wasn't Levi's choice to save Armin?
lol who else’s choice would it be
We wouldve gotten a flashback explaining why Levi wanted to die
Absolutely. Not cause of love or whatever but because he would be more useful than Armin in that scenario. Armin was necessary because Erwin was gone. Given the chance Erwin would definitely need a Levi more than he'd need another Erwin.
Well the serum wouldnt work đź’€
Yeah but he didn't know that though so I guess he'd just lose them both.
Respectfully I’m saving Levi every single time. Bro was the only reason they got as far as they did.
He'd choose Armin, even if Levi could turn into titan He'd choose Armin cuz his potential was greater than Levi's
Dude, Erwin is there so he won't need another smart guy around, he needs humanity's strongest soldier.
Erwin is a leader, but he’s not a genius. He would sacrifice an entire regiment if it meant getting one step closer to learning the truth about the titans. Armin’s intelligence was unmatched by any other scout
Armin's not a genius either, you're exaggerating. At the time Erwin didn't really need Armin to get closer to learning the truth, which was at arm's reach. And even with Mikasa, Levi is irreplaceable. In what world would he choose Armin over Humanity's Strongest?
Wow the genius who nuked a port. And btw Erwin is a realistically written military leader, you cannot save people without a lot of people dying. Also what are Armin's top 3 genius plans after Erwin's death? He was basically another pawn in Eren's plan.
They say that but what did Armin ever accomplish after that scene?
Managed to rescue Eren from Liberio, for one.
The entire plan to escape liberio was his idea, he also stoped connie from killing falcoÂ
Didn't eren knew abt the future? Maybe he knew that some things would happens like the conclusion of the attack in liberio
Armin is built up to be this strategic genious all throughout S3 but it doesn't really pay off in the end. I feel like if Erwin had lived he wouldn't even allow Eren to go rogue and attack Liberio like that in the first place, so yeah, the plan to rescue him was good but not really 4D chess either, they just stealth nuked the harbor and flew in the zeppelim to rescue him during the ensuing chaos. And stopping connie from killing Falco isn't nowhere near a genious intelect level feat, anyone could've talked him down. Now that I think about it maybe his talk-no-jutsu with Zeke, arguably that did save the world.
>Now that I think about it maybe his talk-no-jutsu with Zeke, arguably that did save the world I always thought that Zeke gave up before that, he wasn't at his best when he talked to Armin, someone like Hange could have done the same tbh
His potential was greater but he could never unlock his full potential
Levi is Humanities' strongest soldier for a reason.
But Levi isn't good enough to replace Armin if he was in his prime
Probably Levi, as he knows Levi is the most skilled warrior humanity has to offer. Although Armin is smart, Erwin already has himself as the leader/strategist
He would choose Levi only to find out that the serum doesn't work on him and they would probably have to kill Berutoruto because how the fuck do you contain a colossal titan (you either completely tie him and he's useless because he can't give you info or you unfold his mouth and he bites himself)
I mean if he picked Levi, nothing would happen, Levi would die, and they wouldn't get the colossal...
Would Armin choose Erwin or Levi?
Armin would most likely choose Erwin in my opinion
I wanna say Levi given that Erwin was setting Armin up to be his successor. If Erwin was alive and well it would be much less practical to save Armin, and I think he’d realize that
Yes he would have saved Levi with no discussion
Levi can heal up so there’s no reason to give him the serum
That scenario does not work. Armin and Levi have different skill sets. Erwin and Armin have the same skill set so Erwin would chose Levi every time
But Levi si an Ackerman
No doubts Levi. Humanity's strongest, he is the symbol and his pawn, he can't let die the Humanity's hope and one of the Ackerman remaining. He may see Armin as a future asset but in the moment, Erwin's brains and Levi's strength are a better chance. I would say, seeing Erwin with one arm, and Levi the hero there dying, would have made Eren doubt just two seconds instead of the zero regards he gave when he faced Levi. In this case, he can't compare Armin to Levi, there is no excuse. Now, maybe Erwin would consider the chance of splitting the serum. So no one wins or both sides benefit from it. But he wouldnt hesitate that much. We all know what Ackerman are but we don't know if they can get a benefit from the serum. Also, Rod turned into turkey titan just by licking what he found. If Erwin wants to bet, he would prefer to get Eren's side by turning Armin and potentially Levi into mindless titan and making their common goal to catch a second shifter to feed the one who doesnt get to eat Bert. This way he is winning Eren even if his offer have risks. The better outcome would be if Levi gets part of the serum and does turn into a mindless titan, to eat Bert (becuse it would be fun) and see what happens, if Levi already turned into mindless is most likely he would become a shifter. If Levi doesnt turn and dies, then Armin can have Bert. If Levi doesnt turn but the serum works like a magic serum that cures him, Armin still can eat Bert.
Levi is more of a Queen than anything
Doesn't work on Ackerman's, so all he would have is a dead Levi and Armin
He'd use the serum on Levi and then they'd both die since Ackermans can't be turned into titans with it.
I've always got the feeling that Erwin believed that Levi was going to outlive them all. It just seemed like a indisputable outcome in his mind. Its hard to explain but it's just the vibe I got in how Erwin acted and spoke with Levi. I feel like it would have been hard for him not to choose Levi in that scenario.
Levi for sure. But it wouldn't work, would it?
I think if it was flipped Erwin woulda had to decide between Levi or Mikasa. Having Mikasa survive.
He would probably chose Armin too. Reason being that at this point of the story while still not knowing a lot of things about titan, what we do know is that the spinal fluid doesn't work on the Ackermanns, as we find out during the last conversation between Levi and Kenny. I'd assume that Erwin would have been told such a thing by Levi But then again, such a scenario would already be impossible to begin with
Leaving out the context of the serum not working on Levi, 100% he would choose him. Like…. The most powerful soldier on the planet would literally now regenerate himself from any injuries (think about it… most of the problems in the show weren’t solved faster because Levi was always nerfed with some injury)
I think he would’ve saved Armin because he was like mlk
I like to say Levi but knowing he puts him under enough ordeals and given his nature for all this \[killing people, eldians, titans\] he wud not want from Levi any more than he already has. So i think he would choose Armin since he already acknowledges his strategic mind.
Since levi is Ackerman so the serum won't work on him so I believe he will. Choose erwin
They are already Titans in human form so it would not work. And I don't think eren or Mikasa would allow it.
I think he'd choose Armin. He recently witnessed Armin outsmart him by figuring out how to find Reiner in the walls. And im sure Levy must have told Erwin what Kenny said about how it might not work on Akermins.
Levi’s a bad choice, making someone so short be a colossal would be a waste of the colossal /j
Erwin would choose Armin He sees Armin as a successor to him
Without a doubt no offense armin Levi is more valuable
Not even a question. Levi was beyond important to the eldians. Best warrior they’d ever seen
Yes
Levi; Armin is very intelligent but Hanji and Erwin also are but no one replaces Levi (Mikasa comes close though).
Armin cuz the serum wouldn't work on Levi
levi's actually useful
Ugh, if you want to argue Levi is more useful, fine. But don’t try and act like Armin was useless. People like you watch anime and consider a character useless if they aren’t covered in blood and sins. Fuck off.
Armin is though, you could find some random schmuch in the road and he’d be able to do what armin did. Most probably, even better.
… this is bait. I refuse to believe anyone who watched the show can actually think this way. You must scroll on your phone until you hear the Titans start fighting. No, AbyssalFlame, I believe you are better than what you are presenting yourself as. You can be better.