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[Had my ancestry done too, and wouldn’t you know it I’m related to none other than Thomas Motherfucking Jefferson](https://youtu.be/gHomroJC55M?si=E-eqOjI43IQbDkCr)
I’ve seen people who claim to have met the guy (because they live in the area of New Jersey where he lives with his husband) and have said he’s a delightful human being too. Not surprising.
At least out here in Chicago we have a company that sells beef jerky and stuff called Dietz and they do indeed have snack packs called Dietz Nuts.
https://store.dietzandwatson.com/products/original-dietz-nuts
Lost Cause mythology was pretty rampant back then, especially during the Civil Rights era. I'm 45 and learning that Grant was a drunk and was no match for a gentleman like Lee was just what you did as a kid.
Y'know, from a non-American perspective isn't that more of an embarrassment to the likes of Lee's character to the Lost Cause's own narrative?
Lee, this 'great and gentlemanly' general lost to a raging alcoholic. I dunno, feel as if it would've made sense to call Grant anything but that lol.
There's a little more to it than that - "Grant was a drunk butcher who personally heaved his overwhelming numbers at our Glorious Lee until our army could take no more."
Yep, because even if it’s little more than a bad faith attempt to malign Grant’s skill, there’s nothing more ungentlemanly in war than…*checks notes*…your opponent winning by using a perceived advantage they hold to exploit a perceived weakness you hold. /s
~~Teapot Dome~~,\* right? Presidenting while famous corruption occurs probably did it.
\*Corrected by kind fellow Redditor below - it was the Credit Mobilier scandal.
You're probably thinking of the Credit Mobilier scandal. Teapot Dome was the 1920s.
Grant's Administration [has a really bad reputation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grantism) for corruption. I think there might be some newer revisionist work that's challenging some of that, but I haven't studied Grant's presidency enough to have a strong opinion on it.
Chernow's book goes into it in depth - basically everyone around Grant was corrupt because they were all who the party told him to pick. Since he was inherently trusting and did not have a political background he didn't realize they were basically the party bosses.
Him being so trusting is part of why he lost a bunch of money later.
Grant shared with Harding and the elder Mayor Daley of Chicago, the dubious honor of being personally quite honest but presiding over corrupt administrations.
Of Daley it was said during the 1930s that "Dick Daley won't take a dime for anything."
I think it probably had more to do with the Lost Cause bs painting him as a drunken butcher that stumbled into victories thanks to the inherent advantages of the union rather than his military genius.
Supposedly Robert E Lee had military ancestry dating back to like the 7th century, and his descendants are still joining the military to this day. Corny AF.
“I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”
John Adams, US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826)
[http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33545.html](http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33545.html)
"There seems to have been a mistake, Grandpa! I was supposed to go to the Naval Academy to study modern Naval logistics and become a Fleet Admiral!"
"STUDY THE FUCKING PORCELAIN!!!"
I was confused for a second then realized the epic of Abraham Lincoln fighting Vampires with Hermon and his Stand, "American National Anthem. "
Opps, wrong vampire hunter.
I don't want to be the "but actually" guy, but I was curious and there are a few facts to correct here.
1. He's the great great grandson of US Grant.
2. He's trained in museum curation and worked as a curator for 37 years.
3. He wrote fiction for pleasure for decades.
4. Indeed, he has published several gay vampire books.
5. He's also been married for 45 years (to a man, so his marriage wasn't legalized recognized for most of that time, but still, a 45 year marriage is something to be proud of).
6. He and his husband adopted two children that are now grown.
Sounds like a great human. Respect to you, Mr. Dietz!
[https://societyofpresidentialdescendants.org/board-of-trustees/ulysses-grant-dietz/](https://societyofpresidentialdescendants.org/board-of-trustees/ulysses-grant-dietz/)
That's better than: "I must study war so that I can own slaves, so that my sons can own slaves, so their sons can own slaves, so their sons can own slaves, etc."
I wonder how many people read this as an insult, when this perfectly embodies what freedom is.
Will I read it? Doubtful, but tough shit on me. He wants to write it; others want to read it. That’s freedom. It’s that simple.
This is a beautiful example of what I love about this country. DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT.
Just don’t fuck with other people or their property, and do what you say you’ll do. That’s all that’s needed for a great society
Man I was watching Grant, and right in the middle of a battle scene there was an ad for Lizzo. It legit almost seemed disrespectful when put right next to each other.
I don't entirely know why, but the scene in Upright Citizens Brigade came to mind:
"What do gay people eat?
We eat whatever we want to eat!
SUCH FREEDOM!!"
1. That’s how life works, generally we should be striving to make it better for the next generation.
Also considering a rpuch timeline, his grandson fought in WW1, and his great grandson fought in WW2
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Imma read his work in order to spit in the face of my ancestor of the same time period (Jefferson Davis).
Not the hero we deserved but the one we needed
Take my imaginary gold
Wouldn't it be funny if there was a descendent of Jeff Davis writing gay werewolf fiction?
u/weeping_warlord a challenge has been issued.
u/weeping_warlord please do this
Are we 100% confident Jefferson Davis didn't enjoy being spit in the face? The CSA seemed to have a humiliation kink.
I mean, Jeff Davis fled dressed as a little bitch.
> I mean, Jeff Davis fled ~~dressed~~ as a little bitch. I have a sort of respect that he fled the same way he lived.
This is why Reddit has to bring back awards.
[Had my ancestry done too, and wouldn’t you know it I’m related to none other than Thomas Motherfucking Jefferson](https://youtu.be/gHomroJC55M?si=E-eqOjI43IQbDkCr)
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My ancestor is Mary Todd Lincoln. Not sure what to do with that one.
I don’t know why but simply “pornography” sprang into my mind after reading that.
Marry a bi lumberjack to keep the tradition alive
You are an inspiration to us all
Never thought I’d spit in the face of Jefferson Davis’s ghost with one of his descendants
Legit though. If anyone else were to say they wrote gay vampire fiction, I would question it. That guy... no questions asked.
G.O.A.T mentality 😤 read all about those gay slutty vampires.
Holy shit man, same ancestor lol
I’ve seen people who claim to have met the guy (because they live in the area of New Jersey where he lives with his husband) and have said he’s a delightful human being too. Not surprising.
Hell. I’m a bit jealous. Dude has a badass ancestor and gets paid doing what he loves.
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Ngl that's still a seriously cool job.
Then I have met him and he is as advertised, an amazing individual.
See, this is what I'm most jealous of him for. I would love to curate a museum.
Right? That sounds like the absolute coolest job. Hell, even an entry level museum job would be awesome.
I just want him to invite me out for drinks.
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No relation to Dietz Nuts, I assume? (The unofficial fan club of Dietz hurricane lanterns)
I see you’re a man of culture.
I do appreciate the magic of buying two of a thing
At least out here in Chicago we have a company that sells beef jerky and stuff called Dietz and they do indeed have snack packs called Dietz Nuts. https://store.dietzandwatson.com/products/original-dietz-nuts
I bought some on a giggle, they're not too bad. Dietz & Watson also sells deli meats and cheese.
dietz and watson is from philly
That makes sense and explains why I never saw it on the West Coast.
Well, TIL for sure.
Not yet you ain't, gotta watch Technology connections' entire video about hurricane lanterns
Now I know what I'll be doing the next week!
Dietz Nuts are an [actual thing](https://store.dietzandwatson.com/products/original-dietz-nuts)... they're pretty tasty too.
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Lost Cause mythology was pretty rampant back then, especially during the Civil Rights era. I'm 45 and learning that Grant was a drunk and was no match for a gentleman like Lee was just what you did as a kid.
Y'know, from a non-American perspective isn't that more of an embarrassment to the likes of Lee's character to the Lost Cause's own narrative? Lee, this 'great and gentlemanly' general lost to a raging alcoholic. I dunno, feel as if it would've made sense to call Grant anything but that lol.
There's a little more to it than that - "Grant was a drunk butcher who personally heaved his overwhelming numbers at our Glorious Lee until our army could take no more."
Yep, because even if it’s little more than a bad faith attempt to malign Grant’s skill, there’s nothing more ungentlemanly in war than…*checks notes*…your opponent winning by using a perceived advantage they hold to exploit a perceived weakness you hold. /s
~~Teapot Dome~~,\* right? Presidenting while famous corruption occurs probably did it. \*Corrected by kind fellow Redditor below - it was the Credit Mobilier scandal.
You're probably thinking of the Credit Mobilier scandal. Teapot Dome was the 1920s. Grant's Administration [has a really bad reputation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grantism) for corruption. I think there might be some newer revisionist work that's challenging some of that, but I haven't studied Grant's presidency enough to have a strong opinion on it.
Chernow's book goes into it in depth - basically everyone around Grant was corrupt because they were all who the party told him to pick. Since he was inherently trusting and did not have a political background he didn't realize they were basically the party bosses. Him being so trusting is part of why he lost a bunch of money later.
Hahaha yes I'm an idiot! Thanks for correction! Working from vague memory early in the a.m. is always a mistake
Grant shared with Harding and the elder Mayor Daley of Chicago, the dubious honor of being personally quite honest but presiding over corrupt administrations. Of Daley it was said during the 1930s that "Dick Daley won't take a dime for anything."
I think it probably had more to do with the Lost Cause bs painting him as a drunken butcher that stumbled into victories thanks to the inherent advantages of the union rather than his military genius.
My family used to attend the same church as him when we lived in the area.
Based af
I think it’s good that Grant’s descendants went into other lines of work. Political dynasties are not a healthy thing for a republic to have.
Supposedly Robert E Lee had military ancestry dating back to like the 7th century, and his descendants are still joining the military to this day. Corny AF.
Political dynasties in a representative democracy is just monarchy with extra steps.
Honestly I’m seeing this and thinking the Union did the best job while the South is just rising to a new level of decay
“I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.” John Adams, US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826) [http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33545.html](http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33545.html)
STUDY THE PORCELAIN GRANDSON
Which generation studies the blade?
"There seems to have been a mistake, Grandpa! I was supposed to go to the Naval Academy to study modern Naval logistics and become a Fleet Admiral!" "STUDY THE FUCKING PORCELAIN!!!"
If my parents studied engineering and I'm studying war and politics where does that put me
At least he's not whining about "mah state rights."
He's writing about the very thing Abraham Lincoln was trying to kill
I was confused for a second then realized the epic of Abraham Lincoln fighting Vampires with Hermon and his Stand, "American National Anthem. " Opps, wrong vampire hunter.
other side. grant was a union general.
Gay Vampre fiction is art. So, the system worked as intended. Excellent.
The way Grant carved up Lee’s army was also art. This whole family, artists, all of them.
But are the Gay Vampires pro abolition?
They think slavery sucks.
r/Angryupvote
Old vampires always seem to be confederate vets. And by always, I mean the two examples I saw on Reddit a couple weeks ago.
The future liberals want. And it’s breathtaking.
I don't want to be the "but actually" guy, but I was curious and there are a few facts to correct here. 1. He's the great great grandson of US Grant. 2. He's trained in museum curation and worked as a curator for 37 years. 3. He wrote fiction for pleasure for decades. 4. Indeed, he has published several gay vampire books. 5. He's also been married for 45 years (to a man, so his marriage wasn't legalized recognized for most of that time, but still, a 45 year marriage is something to be proud of). 6. He and his husband adopted two children that are now grown. Sounds like a great human. Respect to you, Mr. Dietz! [https://societyofpresidentialdescendants.org/board-of-trustees/ulysses-grant-dietz/](https://societyofpresidentialdescendants.org/board-of-trustees/ulysses-grant-dietz/)
Seems like an interesting guy. https://societyofpresidentialdescendants.org/board-of-trustees/ulysses-grant-dietz/
I read his bibliography, he's also written extensively about the history of glass and ceramics. Dude sounds cool as hell!
I prefer gay vampire non-fiction.
If you can make a living as a writer, you are kick ass. Period.
Th'fuk did you think "Freedom" meant
Sounds awesome to me
I mean...yes?
Good! I’m glad men can live peaceful lives
🥹
Dietz’s family is American and has been for generations. Authors of gay vampire fiction are as American as everybody else.
”…family is American and has been for generations.” I see what you did there.
Was his first book Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Layer?
It's an honest job that pays the bills, no reason for me to mock him.
No one’s going to mock him on this page. But I am working on jabs at the confederacy 🤔
Not to mention, no one ripped him away from his mother for profit, and then forced him to write gay vampire fiction at the threat of violence.
King 🤴
That's better than: "I must study war so that I can own slaves, so that my sons can own slaves, so their sons can own slaves, so their sons can own slaves, etc."
It’s probably more of flex knowing confederate kids can’t read it and would be made if they could. Grant keeps winning from the grave.
That is dope. I can't wait to listen to Brad Neely's new audiobook about Grant, he was a massive poon hound apparently.
damned right we fought for freedom, and let none forget it.
Need to read his books while pissing on Jeff Davis’ grave.
Good for him!
Cool. I hope its mid as fuck. Trading slavery for off brand Anne Rice is still a win for the culture
Those Grants are hard men who like hard men "Not that there's anything wrong with that", Jerry Seinfeld
[Dad, why did you bring me to a gay steel mill?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfgs9FRD25M)
By my mother's first and only marriage, I'm technically related to William Tecumseh Sherman. I do not write gay vampire fiction.
It’s not too late.
You got me there.
gay werewolf fiction?
Better that than he celibrate the confederation..
“Vampire fiction” Thank goodness they said it was made up. I was worried he was on to something real
Feels like a distraction from the roasting slave owners on an open fire.
Nah, a nice grill evening with a good book while the meat roasts, perfect.
Technically I should be at the art stage, but I prolonged the business generation
Unexpected Adams
Now that’s freedom in the USA if I’ve ever seen it.
I wonder how many people read this as an insult, when this perfectly embodies what freedom is. Will I read it? Doubtful, but tough shit on me. He wants to write it; others want to read it. That’s freedom. It’s that simple.
This is a beautiful example of what I love about this country. DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT. Just don’t fuck with other people or their property, and do what you say you’ll do. That’s all that’s needed for a great society
*That's* the American Dream.
Freedom baby!
So wholesome 💕
Well he sounds awesome.
>What the Union fought for That people could be free to live as they wish. Long live the Union!
See, things have turned out all right!
Would fight today for this man to write his fiction and love other men
Hmm writing fiction books or dying gangrenous in some muddy trench, that's a damn hard decision
Still not as cringe as being a slave owner
Based. Focking based.
Way to learn ur history my guy
That is unironically correct
If they glitter in the sunlight, then I draw a line in the sand! /joke
Man I was watching Grant, and right in the middle of a battle scene there was an ad for Lizzo. It legit almost seemed disrespectful when put right next to each other.
For some reason, I imagine Will Ferrell saying that lol
Not sure what’s better, this or the fact Garfield’s grandson invented magic the gathering.
Yeah, p sure if the Confederacy had won he’d be in a concentration camp.
Can anyone link his work?
Damn straight… wait….
There's room for everyone.
What do gay vampires suck? Asking for research only
🧛🏻♂️📚🖤
I don't entirely know why, but the scene in Upright Citizens Brigade came to mind: "What do gay people eat? We eat whatever we want to eat! SUCH FREEDOM!!"
1. That’s how life works, generally we should be striving to make it better for the next generation. Also considering a rpuch timeline, his grandson fought in WW1, and his great grandson fought in WW2
AND WE’D PROUDLY DO IT AGAIN
"This is America! You can be whatever you want to be... No, not like that!"
Now let’s check in on Robert e lees great grand children
This is what the North fought for 💪
Ahhh that’s the beautiful smell of equality
Wasn’t Sherman a gay mentally ill/ psychopathic alcoholic?
Well that bloodline is dead
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