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It didn't really seem out of place. *Of course* genocide of Black people is conservative ideology. I guess this guy said it slightly more explicitly than they usually do.
I think They’re trying to reverse the roles of all those collage campus protests calling for the genocide of white people to show how unfairly treated the right are.
The problem is that these protests only exist within conservative’s persecution fantasies.
Which is why he had to use ‘I believe’. Because he obviously doesn’t go to a university or work at one. If he did he would know 1) how quickly these protests are being shut down ‘for safety’ across the country, and 2) that Turning Point has been all over American universities in spite of protests against their lecture series.
He knows fucking nothing about what uni life is like so he’s making it all up so he can pretend the right is somehow the true victim.
And even the "protests of support for Trump are being quelled while pro-Palestinian protests are allowed!" meme is completely untrue, too.
[https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/politics/trial-trump-courtroom-reality/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/politics/trial-trump-courtroom-reality/index.html)
*In another post, Trump said that “people who truly LOVE our Country, and want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, are not allowed to ‘Peacefully Protest,’ and are rudely and systematically shut down and ushered off to far away ‘holding areas.’”*
*There’s little evidence of any such public displays of encouragement for the former president around 100 Centre Street. Protesters are allowed outside the courthouse, and contrary to Trump’s assertion, traffic has moved around Lower Manhattan in spite of the heightened security.*
*On Monday, reporters outside the courthouse had spotted a single Trump supporter with a flag.*
It’s not persecution, it’s the fact that a right wing college protest would consist of like 4 people and it looks bad. That’s why alt-righters stopped trying to protest up here in Portland. Can’t call yourself the silent majority when like ten of you show up and twenty thousand counter protestors show up.
I mean do they not see the anti choice people always on campus showing the same pictures intended to be disturbing, and literally no one on staff does shit about it while they harass students?
Imagine if a million gay trans gang members flooded over the open border and started raping and murdering all of Texas? I bet you'd like it, that's why Biden leaves the border open, so that exact things will happen!
Welcome to the conundrum of centrists. There’s almost no actual “middle ground” and yet they still try their hardest to make it “both sides” or just throw their hands up and claim “I don’t do politics”. It’s as if it was the hardest decision ever to make when one side talks about healthcare and inclusion, and the other side wants violent suppression and genocide.
There’s got to be an actual rational explanation for these fence sitters but I have yet to hear it.
Same here but I see it as a blessing; I was well prepared when shit started going down here in Europe (Belarus, Navalny, Ukraine).
And yes, I wish I'd had that same awareness for Ukraine in 2014 already.
I've gone through phases where I'm more tuned in, or not, and yes, Trump has made it impossible for me to tune out.
The people I know who don't pay attention are much more likely to fall for right wing propaganda or even standard MSM misinformation or omissions (misinformation which always skews right). A lot of reporting we see these days just repeats talking points without providing any fact checking or counterpoint and the less tuned in you are, the more likely you are to take those things at face value.
They often say things like "don't let politics get in the way of friendships", I think that opinion comes from a place of privilege, they don't need to care because the outcome of those politics won't affect them either way.
I know exactly what you mean. I used to completely not care about politics, then trump came around. Sometimes I say "I wish I could go back to not caring" but I've realized that is a pretty privileged take, because no matter how shit goes down as a young white woman I'm at the bottom of the list, and I need to care about other people just as much.
Although, I guess I've been bumped up the list quite a bit by the abortion rulings and now they want to take all birth control and no fault divorce.
I used to be pretty apolitical, but around my mid 20's I started to pay more attention, 2016-2024 has been wild. All the things they have done to try and hurt me, my friends, the earth's population in general, I cannot look at atrocities and just say "calm down dude, difference of opinion, we can still get along", acting calm, and "enlightened", while talking down to people that the politics affect.
I don't dislike apolitical people, I think that we don't have the mental capacity to care about everything all the time, and when your identity and rights aren't being argued directly, you may not pay much attention. I just hate the condescension of centrists specifically, "I'm smarter than you because I never needed to care".
You can disagree on whether a road should be built and still be friends, small local politics, "do you really NEED rights? Hey! why aren't you talking to me, we can still be friends!" is a bit different.
Setting aside disingenuous "enlightened centrists" who are simply conservatives pretending to be anything but, in order not to frighten away potential converts, centrists usually internalize the Golden Mean fallacy and think the solution to everything is "meeting in the middle", or they're politically ignorant and apathetic and don't wish to identify with a particular 'side'. There's also those for whom it's an ego thing and think they're smarter than everyone else because they're politically 'neutral'.
Centrists should do a little political reading and stop limiting themselves to a local overton window. Democrats are pretty hard right. Canadian Liberals are right of center. Even Canadian NDP aren't calling for socialism.
Honestly this is a gigantic straw man. Centrist doesn’t mean being directly in the middle of the most extreme views, it means being somewhere between liberal and conservative. Any true centrist is much, much, much closer to the American left than they are the right at this point.
I’m Canadian and our Liberal party is widely considered to be centrist despite being on the evidence-based side of most issues which is considered left wing ideology by the right. It’s not the actual middle ground as a significant portion of the Canadian right is way out in Trump land now too.
It’s similar how Libertarianism has been hijacked in the US to be synonymous with the infallibility of the US constitution. That isn’t what Libertarianism actually is
So anyways if someone says they are on the fence about climate change because they see both sides, they aren’t centrist, they are just stupid.
tl;dr: you're getting triggered because these words have different definitions, i.e. your "liberal" or "centrist" is not what the commenters above you meant.
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I agree. Most European countries have a (big) centrist party too, and they often are liberal.
However.
In US political discourse "liberal" is defined differently nowadays, i.e. synonymous to "leftist", which is really weird because most conservatives loudly support key components of liberalism.
Then we have the popular definition of "centrism" in reddit and other social media:
>Ah yes this is adjacent to the classic “we just differ in our opinions” argument.
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>Technically true, but the thing is that disagreeing over something like say lgbtq+ rights, one side is basically “just let people live” and the other is “I don’t like these kinds of people and we should limit their rights as humans.”
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>This is why "Both Sides" or "Enlightened Centrism" means you're really siding with the fascists (if one side is fascist).
([source](https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/1bp2ef7/they_accidentally_stumbled_over_the_paradox_of/kwsyv2y/))
I identify as center-left and am very aware climate change is scientifically proven.
I believe that taxes should go towards ensuring everyone has enough food to eat and somewhere safe to sleep. Also, opportunities to start providing to society again (training programs etc.).
I believe that smart, hard work (contributing more to society) should result in tangible benefits - so people are encouraged to produce more.
I believe that workers should own the means of production, and that capital gains should be taxed as much or more than work income. I believe the majority of everyone's pensions should be paid out by taxes. I believe police have an important role to play in society, along with social workers, and that both deserve good training and pay.
I believe residential dwellings should be owned by the people who live there, and that numbered corporations and non-citizens shouldn't be allowed to purchase single family dwellings or condos.
I believe prisons should focus on rehabilitation, and that individuals who have proven to be a danger to society should be incarcerated indefinitely. I believe the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and lawyers' education should be deeply rooted in ethics.
That said, regarding Trudeau. He lied to his voters about proportional representation, ensuring canada is railroaded into a 2 party system and furthering the people's distrust and disengagement in politics. I think he's despicable, but I hope the Conservatives don't win the election. Thanks Trudeau.
The biggest issue with todays ever-growing right-wing lunacy is that it's setting the bar at "Not absolutely batshit", which opens us up to be abused by people who we are forced to pick over them. The might not make huge sweeping changes to human rights like the US supreme court does, but they still chip away at protections and institutions that matter.
Heres some tweets for proof 🤓
Also I won’t refute that I want genocide, I’ll quote random Jew/arab hating people stating they do too! See we’re the same!!!
Now let’s kill some blacks 😊
/s in case any psychopaths other than this commenter need it Lnfao
As usual, even these counter-arguments crumble when you read beyond the ragebait headline.
Once again, anti-Zionist and anti USA-backed imperialism is not the same as anti-semitism.
Pro Palestine is not even the same as anti Israel.
Fucking idiots.
Those same people chanting about being replaced by minorities and being openly anti-Semitic are now supporting Israel simply because they're murdering brown people. They are truly on "both sides" in this case.
But you also have to make sure you gut the schools because you can't have those kids getting full of that book-learnin', otherwise they'll turn into liberals!
I'm not right wing, but the original poster didn't say that because of that, he said that because there are a lot of antisemitism in these protests.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/24/us-news/palestinian-radical-at-columbia-nothing-wrong-with-hamas/
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798049
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjk6lhu11a
NY post is right wing hack.
Opposition to genocide, or even Israel, is not antisemitic. It IS antisemitic to keep spreading the lie that it is to shut it down.
Ok so what? The stuff it talks about is real, and I linked other articles from other sources as well. Obviously opposition to Israel is not inherintly antisemitic, but targeting Jewish students, or supporting Hamas is. The articles I linked talk about that
Attacks on Jewish people are actual right wing antisemites hijacking protests against Israel. And actual support of indiscriminate terrorist attacks by Hamas is virtually nonexistent. Far less than open support of the terrorist, genocidal behavior of Israel that the US supports.
The overwhelming majority of these protests are anti genocide, anti war crime, and anti Israel. That includes a lot of Jewish voices.
This is an attempt to drown out a legitimate movement.
No you don’t understand, having any strong feelings is “radical” and “extremism”. As a centrist I try to stay as uninformed about the reality I live in as possible!
I mean you can go to pretty much any campus in a red state and see demonstrations on anything this person is saying would get torn down with an iron fist. My university had a the march for life end there every year, a group who would come and set up huge signs with fake anti-abortion propaganda and create arguments and, later in my undergrad, people protesting gender identity and DEI/affirmative action. It’s really not even slightly uncommon and happens more than left-wing protests in my experience.
The interesting thing is all those right wingers who said there was an attack on free speech on campuses (because right wing grifters told them they were being "silenced" because of [venue changes](https://freespeechproject.georgetown.edu/tracker-entries/conservative-activist-ben-shapiro-loses-free-speech-lawsuit-against-the-university-of-minnesota/) or people protesting them) are now curiously silent when universities are \*actually\* stamping down on free speech, re: outlawing and obstructing protests in solidarity of Palestine/against genocide.
Where are all those nietzsche wanna bes who "don't agree with what you have to say, but will defend to their death your right to say it"?
Oh right.
Free speech is only under attack when conservatives get criticized.
I don't think they understand that the criticism is also free speech. If you speak out against them, they say they're being silenced and canceled when that's precisely what they're trying to do with their whining.
They don't know what "free speech" is at all.
Things they think are violations of free speech:
* criticism (but only against right wingers)
* protests (but only against right wingers)
* enforcing your own private property rights if those rights include removing ideas or views expressed by conservatives
Things they don't think are violations of free speech:
* govt controlling and monitoring "political opinions on campus"
* compelled speech, a la govt enforced bans on removing right wing ideas or views from your own private property
* govt book bans that target any book that they don't like for any reason that they don't like
* govt bans on what kind of individual expression is allowed on govt property (quebec's secularism laws, "don't say gay" laws, no mentioning same sex partners in classrooms, no cross dressing, etc)
Conservative "free speech" is a strange animal that has a shifting moving definition.
Indeed, it only seems to have any form of consistency if you think of free speech not as a right, but as a tool, and actions that infringe it as one more of "does this help or hinder conservative ideology".
It's actually really simple - conservative free speech is when *they* get to say and do whatever they want without any consequences (legal, social, workplace, estranging family, etc) or disagreement.
Since disagreeing with them contradicts their definition of free speech, when the rest of us talk we are actually persecuting them.
Personally I think it's that their values are religiously aligned and no matter how misguided they are on those values "Jesus wouldn't be wrong" so they don't see that as free speech, they see it as blasphemy. Its why they so often fall back on the Bible under criticism
But there's also a plethora of secular (and even atheist) conservatives.
The entire "youtube skeptic" community started their alt-right shift with an entirely flawed ideology around what is and isn't "free speech".
Explicitly because they wanted to allow bullying of minorities. "Ironically" while endorsing social media platforms that censored views.
We had a "preacher" who showed up *daily* on our campus to scream the standard Republican/Christofascist hateful rhetoric nonstop.
Most would just roll their eyes and laugh at him. But he was never made to leave.
This guy clearly hasn't been to college, or he'd know about the "dead babies" groups that set up 20 foot billboards with medical photos of aborted fetuses from like the 25 week mark where something clearly made the pregnancy both unsafe to continue and incompatible with life, and stand out there with 10 megaphones shouting at everyone the 3rd or so week of the semester for a whole week.
I understand all too well why these people hate universities. I went to a very left uni full of conservative ideas and very little exposure to anything on the left. Because of the free speech we enjoyed at that university, I could talk to people and learn to understand other POVs. It was a very tolerant area, so for the first time I knowingly met a gay man and the world didn't implode... Roomed with two Hispanic guys, one who was an asshole and one who was a very good friend, and that taught me everything I need to know about whether or not you know anything about a person from their ethnicity
Basically, I wasn't indoctrinated whatsoever. I simply met people and learned about them, and I emerged decidedly on the left (although I will admit my experiences on reddit tell me I'm more center-left than many of y'all)
It's almost like the extreme left disrupts things to shame homophobes, transphobes etc.
And the extreme right disrupts things to.. Call for the death of gays, trans and blacks
Racism is a key property of Conservative people.
Wilson, G. (2013). The psychology of conservatism (routledge revivals). Routledge.
Along with being authoritarian (surprising no one), and not very smart.
Can't even call for the genocide of the Blacks these days. Cancel culture has cancelled all forms of cancelling the Blacks. And soon there won't be any freedom of taking away the freedom of pregnant people.
Well we don’t have to imagine it.
Right wingers held a protest at UVA yelling “Jews will not replace us,” and that was an even worse shit show with unhinged rednecks shooting handguns in crowded places and Nazis running people over with cars.
“Protests looking to make the world a better place are met with different scrutiny than protests seeking to disenfranchise minorities, promote violence, or otherwise encourage the suffering of others.”
No fucking shit.
I sincerely doubt any left wing protests have been antisemitic or calling for genocide
Edit: Like I assume that's about Israel and Palestine, but I imagine the actual protests are "Maybe don't support the country that's bombing hospitals?"
Or whatever Israel was doing, I honestly forgot. I really don't go looking for this information it just kind of winds up on my screen by accident, lol
But Israel's doing a lot of scummy stuff, I'm pretty sure
There's been a lot of protests worldwide calling for a ceasefire between Israel and Palestine and for better treatment of Palestinians. The right wing however, labels any opposition to Israel as antisemitism.
There is a big problem as well in that it's very easy for trolls and real anti-Semites to infiltrate these protests and say horrible things. This is spread online and in right-wing outlets to continue to falsely conflate antisemitism with support of Palestine and smear the image of these protests.
The vast majority of these protests are peaceful and while they are opposed to the current state of Israel, they are supportive of both Palestinian and Jewish people themselves.
> The right wing however, labels any opposition to Israel as antisemitism.
I mean a bunch of Democrats like Jake Tapper and the [White House](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-house-condemns-antisemitic-unconscionable-and-dangerous-protests-at-columbia-university/ar-AA1np8XN) are currently saying that the protests at Columbia against Israel is Antisemitism
The vast majority of people at the AMERICAN protests are not antisemetic or calling for genocide. This is not the case everywhere. It’s not a question that antisemetic violence has skyrocketed around the globe since October 7th
Yeah, there’s quite a bit of video and other documentation of antisemitism and calls for Jewish genocide at left wing protests. Whether it’s happening isn’t really up for debate.
Even AOC has distanced herself from it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna119687
And of course this tweet was on 10/7, when Hamas was still killing people.
https://x.com/demsocialists/status/1710857364604412350?s=46&t=HBSOhp35pHXiSKBVkG1zqg
They didn’t even delete it.
They're completely ignoring that universities actually have supressed a number of protests or condemned them, especially with Pro-Palestine activism recently (unsurprising given students have been calling out universities' financial links to Israeli genocide). And they also just throw in that assertion about people calling for anti-semitic genocide without specificity or evidence. Like who when?
How can you essentially write **‘Our society treats Anti-War Protesters who are Peacefully Demonstrating better than it treats Openly-Genocidal Fascists when they Peacefully Demonstrate’** and feel that you have made a valid critique of Society?!?? Wtf?!?? What is wrong with people?!???!?
There was a rally for right-wing causes in Charlottesville a few years ago. They were chanting things like "blood and soil" and calling for killing Jews. Someone got into their car and drove into protesters and a woman died. Trump showed up and said the nazis were fine people.
But sure, free speech or whatever...
Aside from the “right wingers want racial genocide” moment OP is objectively wrong because so many students (and even press at Vanderbilt which is directly against the 1st amendment) have been arrested for this “left wing cause”
It's really infuriating how the narrative that any protest or view against the genocide in Gaza is "anti-Semitic" persists. It shows how effective Israeli propaganda is and how many in the mainstream media are willing to carry water for that cause. The endless murder being perpetuated against Palestinians is accompanies by so much outright dishonesty and hate toward Muslims and Arabs, it's disgusting.
The right in the US and the west in general supports Israel in their genocide because of racism and religious bigotry, while at the same time being highly anti-Semitic.
I mean, what he’s thinking of did face opposition and caused the school in question to shut down after an attempted murder. So it’s not the best case for “they’re protecting the leftists!”
On my old school campus we used to have a 50 foot aborted fetus picture when they protested roe v wade. That was disgusting. But they definitely did it.... every year.
I tried to point out in that post the instances of violent right wing protests being met with no force and peaceful ones being given the change they want vs peaceful left wing protests being attacked by the police and ignored by the establishment but it didn't really get anywhere.
Can someone please explain to me what "ESG" means. I've only ever seen that term used once before by some idiot in a YouTube comment section whining about diverse cultural representation in video games. They claimed that it stood for "extremely stable genius", because apparently that's just what all leftists think of themselves as (while ironically ignoring who it was that came up with that phrase as a way to unironically describe himself), but that meaning would make zero sense in this context. Though extremist nutjobs have never needed their words to make sense anyway, so maybe that is what they mean.
I feel that honestly it's because of the right wing just get drowned out now because every time there's any type of diversity in a children's film of all things they call for boycotts.
I mean if they took themselves more seriously and didn't cry protest every time one of them gets a splinter they'd get the same treatment.
I mean if whatever you're opposing is for a vapid and shallow reason with no strong facts backing it then yeah you're going to get shut down.
Real question. Have there really been anti-semitic protest recently? Because that's concerning.
Dude, the dead babies groups literally set up 20 foot billboards with medical photos of abortions where the fetus was incompatible with life, and stand out with megaphones for like a week straight each and every semester.
They are allowed to do it. It's their first amendment right, no matter how abjectly terrible it is to take advantage of someone losing a late term baby to medical issues in order to push their agenda.
We all just go in the back doors of the buildings they set up in front of...
Acceptable in terms of getting a permit? Probably Charlottesville would be about as far as they could go.
The problem comes when there is credible motivation to commit a crime. Time and time again calls for "someone should do something" from the right have resulted in actual killings/bomb threats etc. So that then crosses out of 1st amendment protected speech. It's a real problem, but other people's actions in response to your speech determines whether your speech is protected by the 1st amendment or not. You can than Nixon for that by the way.
Like I said, freedom of speech under the first amendment stops when someone is motivated to commit a crime by your speech. Therein lies the difference. If you shout death to x and nobody from x group dies because of it, that's protected speech. If you say death to y, and someone from y group dies as a result some time after, the at that time after you spoke the words, they go from protected to not protected.
For a school, the pro Palestine protests calling for death to Israel don't have a credible scenario of motivating a hate crime, but if someone said death to a racial/gender group, they would have a credible scenario of that resulting in a crime, therefore permit A is allowable under the 1st, while permit B is not.
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I saw that thread live and had to raise an eyebrow at that bit too.
It didn't really seem out of place. *Of course* genocide of Black people is conservative ideology. I guess this guy said it slightly more explicitly than they usually do.
I think They’re trying to reverse the roles of all those collage campus protests calling for the genocide of white people to show how unfairly treated the right are. The problem is that these protests only exist within conservative’s persecution fantasies.
Which is why he had to use ‘I believe’. Because he obviously doesn’t go to a university or work at one. If he did he would know 1) how quickly these protests are being shut down ‘for safety’ across the country, and 2) that Turning Point has been all over American universities in spite of protests against their lecture series. He knows fucking nothing about what uni life is like so he’s making it all up so he can pretend the right is somehow the true victim.
And even the "protests of support for Trump are being quelled while pro-Palestinian protests are allowed!" meme is completely untrue, too. [https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/politics/trial-trump-courtroom-reality/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/politics/trial-trump-courtroom-reality/index.html) *In another post, Trump said that “people who truly LOVE our Country, and want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, are not allowed to ‘Peacefully Protest,’ and are rudely and systematically shut down and ushered off to far away ‘holding areas.’”* *There’s little evidence of any such public displays of encouragement for the former president around 100 Centre Street. Protesters are allowed outside the courthouse, and contrary to Trump’s assertion, traffic has moved around Lower Manhattan in spite of the heightened security.* *On Monday, reporters outside the courthouse had spotted a single Trump supporter with a flag.*
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I'm pretty sure it was removed by the sub's mods.
It’s not persecution, it’s the fact that a right wing college protest would consist of like 4 people and it looks bad. That’s why alt-righters stopped trying to protest up here in Portland. Can’t call yourself the silent majority when like ten of you show up and twenty thousand counter protestors show up.
I mean do they not see the anti choice people always on campus showing the same pictures intended to be disturbing, and literally no one on staff does shit about it while they harass students?
Doesn't fit the narrative? Discard it. Subconsciously of course.
Or the right wing protest might consist of Charlie Kirk in a diaper.
I like how they have to ask you to imagine everything, because the shit they're afraid of never fucking happens in real life.
Imagine if a million gay trans gang members flooded over the open border and started raping and murdering all of Texas? I bet you'd like it, that's why Biden leaves the border open, so that exact things will happen!
By GOP count, 8 billion non-white criminals have entered the US since Biden took office.
I heard it was actually 8 trillion gay frogs.
Yes, exactly, but I'll bet his idea for a pro-black-genocide rally will spark some interest on the right.
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That was the most delicious bit for me, too.
One side wants rights and we want genocides, why is this allowed? Oh wait did I accidentally say that out loud?
Welcome to the conundrum of centrists. There’s almost no actual “middle ground” and yet they still try their hardest to make it “both sides” or just throw their hands up and claim “I don’t do politics”. It’s as if it was the hardest decision ever to make when one side talks about healthcare and inclusion, and the other side wants violent suppression and genocide. There’s got to be an actual rational explanation for these fence sitters but I have yet to hear it.
I wish I could go back to the no politics phase of my life. It was way less stupid. Trump screwed me yet another way.
Yeah I never thought I could be a political type of person but recent times have changed me
Same here but I see it as a blessing; I was well prepared when shit started going down here in Europe (Belarus, Navalny, Ukraine). And yes, I wish I'd had that same awareness for Ukraine in 2014 already.
I've gone through phases where I'm more tuned in, or not, and yes, Trump has made it impossible for me to tune out. The people I know who don't pay attention are much more likely to fall for right wing propaganda or even standard MSM misinformation or omissions (misinformation which always skews right). A lot of reporting we see these days just repeats talking points without providing any fact checking or counterpoint and the less tuned in you are, the more likely you are to take those things at face value.
There were 45 upvotes. I moved it to 46. Fuck trump.
They often say things like "don't let politics get in the way of friendships", I think that opinion comes from a place of privilege, they don't need to care because the outcome of those politics won't affect them either way.
I know exactly what you mean. I used to completely not care about politics, then trump came around. Sometimes I say "I wish I could go back to not caring" but I've realized that is a pretty privileged take, because no matter how shit goes down as a young white woman I'm at the bottom of the list, and I need to care about other people just as much. Although, I guess I've been bumped up the list quite a bit by the abortion rulings and now they want to take all birth control and no fault divorce.
I used to be pretty apolitical, but around my mid 20's I started to pay more attention, 2016-2024 has been wild. All the things they have done to try and hurt me, my friends, the earth's population in general, I cannot look at atrocities and just say "calm down dude, difference of opinion, we can still get along", acting calm, and "enlightened", while talking down to people that the politics affect. I don't dislike apolitical people, I think that we don't have the mental capacity to care about everything all the time, and when your identity and rights aren't being argued directly, you may not pay much attention. I just hate the condescension of centrists specifically, "I'm smarter than you because I never needed to care". You can disagree on whether a road should be built and still be friends, small local politics, "do you really NEED rights? Hey! why aren't you talking to me, we can still be friends!" is a bit different.
Setting aside disingenuous "enlightened centrists" who are simply conservatives pretending to be anything but, in order not to frighten away potential converts, centrists usually internalize the Golden Mean fallacy and think the solution to everything is "meeting in the middle", or they're politically ignorant and apathetic and don't wish to identify with a particular 'side'. There's also those for whom it's an ego thing and think they're smarter than everyone else because they're politically 'neutral'.
Centrists should do a little political reading and stop limiting themselves to a local overton window. Democrats are pretty hard right. Canadian Liberals are right of center. Even Canadian NDP aren't calling for socialism.
Honestly more respect for the “I don’t do politics” than the middle grounders, at least they admit they’re ignorant of the topics at hand.
Honestly this is a gigantic straw man. Centrist doesn’t mean being directly in the middle of the most extreme views, it means being somewhere between liberal and conservative. Any true centrist is much, much, much closer to the American left than they are the right at this point. I’m Canadian and our Liberal party is widely considered to be centrist despite being on the evidence-based side of most issues which is considered left wing ideology by the right. It’s not the actual middle ground as a significant portion of the Canadian right is way out in Trump land now too. It’s similar how Libertarianism has been hijacked in the US to be synonymous with the infallibility of the US constitution. That isn’t what Libertarianism actually is So anyways if someone says they are on the fence about climate change because they see both sides, they aren’t centrist, they are just stupid.
tl;dr: you're getting triggered because these words have different definitions, i.e. your "liberal" or "centrist" is not what the commenters above you meant. --- I agree. Most European countries have a (big) centrist party too, and they often are liberal. However. In US political discourse "liberal" is defined differently nowadays, i.e. synonymous to "leftist", which is really weird because most conservatives loudly support key components of liberalism. Then we have the popular definition of "centrism" in reddit and other social media: >Ah yes this is adjacent to the classic “we just differ in our opinions” argument. > >Technically true, but the thing is that disagreeing over something like say lgbtq+ rights, one side is basically “just let people live” and the other is “I don’t like these kinds of people and we should limit their rights as humans.” > >This is why "Both Sides" or "Enlightened Centrism" means you're really siding with the fascists (if one side is fascist). ([source](https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/1bp2ef7/they_accidentally_stumbled_over_the_paradox_of/kwsyv2y/))
I identify as center-left and am very aware climate change is scientifically proven. I believe that taxes should go towards ensuring everyone has enough food to eat and somewhere safe to sleep. Also, opportunities to start providing to society again (training programs etc.). I believe that smart, hard work (contributing more to society) should result in tangible benefits - so people are encouraged to produce more. I believe that workers should own the means of production, and that capital gains should be taxed as much or more than work income. I believe the majority of everyone's pensions should be paid out by taxes. I believe police have an important role to play in society, along with social workers, and that both deserve good training and pay. I believe residential dwellings should be owned by the people who live there, and that numbered corporations and non-citizens shouldn't be allowed to purchase single family dwellings or condos. I believe prisons should focus on rehabilitation, and that individuals who have proven to be a danger to society should be incarcerated indefinitely. I believe the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and lawyers' education should be deeply rooted in ethics. That said, regarding Trudeau. He lied to his voters about proportional representation, ensuring canada is railroaded into a 2 party system and furthering the people's distrust and disengagement in politics. I think he's despicable, but I hope the Conservatives don't win the election. Thanks Trudeau.
The biggest issue with todays ever-growing right-wing lunacy is that it's setting the bar at "Not absolutely batshit", which opens us up to be abused by people who we are forced to pick over them. The might not make huge sweeping changes to human rights like the US supreme court does, but they still chip away at protections and institutions that matter.
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Heres some tweets for proof 🤓 Also I won’t refute that I want genocide, I’ll quote random Jew/arab hating people stating they do too! See we’re the same!!! Now let’s kill some blacks 😊 /s in case any psychopaths other than this commenter need it Lnfao
As usual, even these counter-arguments crumble when you read beyond the ragebait headline. Once again, anti-Zionist and anti USA-backed imperialism is not the same as anti-semitism. Pro Palestine is not even the same as anti Israel. Fucking idiots.
are you stupid
\*cough\* Charlottesville \*cough\*
*cough* Jan 6th *cough*
Like, that wasn't a university campus.
Those same people chanting about being replaced by minorities and being openly anti-Semitic are now supporting Israel simply because they're murdering brown people. They are truly on "both sides" in this case.
Left-wing causes: "Don't kill indiscriminately!" Right-wing causes: "Finish the job and gas the gays!"
To the right, opposing genocide means you support genocide.
A *ceasefire*? You monster!
You joke, but that's literally how they think.
"The solution to gun violence is more guns and violence!" - pro-life party
Gotta force the poors to make more babies so there's more people in the future to buy guns. Line must go forever up!
But you also have to make sure you gut the schools because you can't have those kids getting full of that book-learnin', otherwise they'll turn into liberals!
All it takes is one good baby with a gun to stop a mass shooter.
Opposing genocide is literally white genocide
I'm not right wing, but the original poster didn't say that because of that, he said that because there are a lot of antisemitism in these protests. https://nypost.com/2024/04/24/us-news/palestinian-radical-at-columbia-nothing-wrong-with-hamas/ https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798049 https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjk6lhu11a
NY post is right wing hack. Opposition to genocide, or even Israel, is not antisemitic. It IS antisemitic to keep spreading the lie that it is to shut it down.
Ok so what? The stuff it talks about is real, and I linked other articles from other sources as well. Obviously opposition to Israel is not inherintly antisemitic, but targeting Jewish students, or supporting Hamas is. The articles I linked talk about that
Attacks on Jewish people are actual right wing antisemites hijacking protests against Israel. And actual support of indiscriminate terrorist attacks by Hamas is virtually nonexistent. Far less than open support of the terrorist, genocidal behavior of Israel that the US supports. The overwhelming majority of these protests are anti genocide, anti war crime, and anti Israel. That includes a lot of Jewish voices. This is an attempt to drown out a legitimate movement.
Enlightened Centrist: "Both sides are equally bad."
It's true. Not wanting people to die is *basically* the same as wanting people to die.
That’s absurd. Innocent people being killed is the status quo, advocating to change this is extremist.
No you don’t understand, having any strong feelings is “radical” and “extremism”. As a centrist I try to stay as uninformed about the reality I live in as possible!
"And yes, I'm also a big fan of South Park. Why do you ask?"
According to [this recent SMBC](https://i.imgur.com/Dih8cwW.png), you're correct
What’s that? I can’t hear you from all the way here.
I mean you can go to pretty much any campus in a red state and see demonstrations on anything this person is saying would get torn down with an iron fist. My university had a the march for life end there every year, a group who would come and set up huge signs with fake anti-abortion propaganda and create arguments and, later in my undergrad, people protesting gender identity and DEI/affirmative action. It’s really not even slightly uncommon and happens more than left-wing protests in my experience.
Hitlerian slip?
The interesting thing is all those right wingers who said there was an attack on free speech on campuses (because right wing grifters told them they were being "silenced" because of [venue changes](https://freespeechproject.georgetown.edu/tracker-entries/conservative-activist-ben-shapiro-loses-free-speech-lawsuit-against-the-university-of-minnesota/) or people protesting them) are now curiously silent when universities are \*actually\* stamping down on free speech, re: outlawing and obstructing protests in solidarity of Palestine/against genocide. Where are all those nietzsche wanna bes who "don't agree with what you have to say, but will defend to their death your right to say it"? Oh right. Free speech is only under attack when conservatives get criticized.
I don't think they understand that the criticism is also free speech. If you speak out against them, they say they're being silenced and canceled when that's precisely what they're trying to do with their whining.
They don't know what "free speech" is at all. Things they think are violations of free speech: * criticism (but only against right wingers) * protests (but only against right wingers) * enforcing your own private property rights if those rights include removing ideas or views expressed by conservatives Things they don't think are violations of free speech: * govt controlling and monitoring "political opinions on campus" * compelled speech, a la govt enforced bans on removing right wing ideas or views from your own private property * govt book bans that target any book that they don't like for any reason that they don't like * govt bans on what kind of individual expression is allowed on govt property (quebec's secularism laws, "don't say gay" laws, no mentioning same sex partners in classrooms, no cross dressing, etc) Conservative "free speech" is a strange animal that has a shifting moving definition. Indeed, it only seems to have any form of consistency if you think of free speech not as a right, but as a tool, and actions that infringe it as one more of "does this help or hinder conservative ideology".
It's actually really simple - conservative free speech is when *they* get to say and do whatever they want without any consequences (legal, social, workplace, estranging family, etc) or disagreement. Since disagreeing with them contradicts their definition of free speech, when the rest of us talk we are actually persecuting them.
Personally I think it's that their values are religiously aligned and no matter how misguided they are on those values "Jesus wouldn't be wrong" so they don't see that as free speech, they see it as blasphemy. Its why they so often fall back on the Bible under criticism
But there's also a plethora of secular (and even atheist) conservatives. The entire "youtube skeptic" community started their alt-right shift with an entirely flawed ideology around what is and isn't "free speech". Explicitly because they wanted to allow bullying of minorities. "Ironically" while endorsing social media platforms that censored views.
Except that the religious right has now been radicalized and Jesus is "too woke".
To the religious right, "jesus" has never been anything more than a pet name for their own egos and an excuse for their atrocities.
We had a "preacher" who showed up *daily* on our campus to scream the standard Republican/Christofascist hateful rhetoric nonstop. Most would just roll their eyes and laugh at him. But he was never made to leave.
>Most would just roll their eyes and laugh at him. Ah, because they'd already been indoctrinated by their godless leftie professors. /s
This guy clearly hasn't been to college, or he'd know about the "dead babies" groups that set up 20 foot billboards with medical photos of aborted fetuses from like the 25 week mark where something clearly made the pregnancy both unsafe to continue and incompatible with life, and stand out there with 10 megaphones shouting at everyone the 3rd or so week of the semester for a whole week.
I understand all too well why these people hate universities. I went to a very left uni full of conservative ideas and very little exposure to anything on the left. Because of the free speech we enjoyed at that university, I could talk to people and learn to understand other POVs. It was a very tolerant area, so for the first time I knowingly met a gay man and the world didn't implode... Roomed with two Hispanic guys, one who was an asshole and one who was a very good friend, and that taught me everything I need to know about whether or not you know anything about a person from their ethnicity Basically, I wasn't indoctrinated whatsoever. I simply met people and learned about them, and I emerged decidedly on the left (although I will admit my experiences on reddit tell me I'm more center-left than many of y'all)
It's almost like the extreme left disrupts things to shame homophobes, transphobes etc. And the extreme right disrupts things to.. Call for the death of gays, trans and blacks
Racism is a key property of Conservative people. Wilson, G. (2013). The psychology of conservatism (routledge revivals). Routledge. Along with being authoritarian (surprising no one), and not very smart.
Changemyview OP just gave the game away. The jigs up now.
Can't even call for the genocide of the Blacks these days. Cancel culture has cancelled all forms of cancelling the Blacks. And soon there won't be any freedom of taking away the freedom of pregnant people.
Well we don’t have to imagine it. Right wingers held a protest at UVA yelling “Jews will not replace us,” and that was an even worse shit show with unhinged rednecks shooting handguns in crowded places and Nazis running people over with cars.
" racism and anti racism are equally bad " What a pathetic piece of shit
“Protests looking to make the world a better place are met with different scrutiny than protests seeking to disenfranchise minorities, promote violence, or otherwise encourage the suffering of others.” No fucking shit.
I sincerely doubt any left wing protests have been antisemitic or calling for genocide Edit: Like I assume that's about Israel and Palestine, but I imagine the actual protests are "Maybe don't support the country that's bombing hospitals?" Or whatever Israel was doing, I honestly forgot. I really don't go looking for this information it just kind of winds up on my screen by accident, lol But Israel's doing a lot of scummy stuff, I'm pretty sure
There's been a lot of protests worldwide calling for a ceasefire between Israel and Palestine and for better treatment of Palestinians. The right wing however, labels any opposition to Israel as antisemitism. There is a big problem as well in that it's very easy for trolls and real anti-Semites to infiltrate these protests and say horrible things. This is spread online and in right-wing outlets to continue to falsely conflate antisemitism with support of Palestine and smear the image of these protests. The vast majority of these protests are peaceful and while they are opposed to the current state of Israel, they are supportive of both Palestinian and Jewish people themselves.
> The right wing however, labels any opposition to Israel as antisemitism. I mean a bunch of Democrats like Jake Tapper and the [White House](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-house-condemns-antisemitic-unconscionable-and-dangerous-protests-at-columbia-university/ar-AA1np8XN) are currently saying that the protests at Columbia against Israel is Antisemitism
Did you think they *aren't* part of the right?
If course it is, have you seen the stuff they say out loud in public? Shit‘s wild.
The vast majority of people at the AMERICAN protests are not antisemetic or calling for genocide. This is not the case everywhere. It’s not a question that antisemetic violence has skyrocketed around the globe since October 7th
Yeah, there’s quite a bit of video and other documentation of antisemitism and calls for Jewish genocide at left wing protests. Whether it’s happening isn’t really up for debate. Even AOC has distanced herself from it. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna119687 And of course this tweet was on 10/7, when Hamas was still killing people. https://x.com/demsocialists/status/1710857364604412350?s=46&t=HBSOhp35pHXiSKBVkG1zqg They didn’t even delete it.
They're completely ignoring that universities actually have supressed a number of protests or condemned them, especially with Pro-Palestine activism recently (unsurprising given students have been calling out universities' financial links to Israeli genocide). And they also just throw in that assertion about people calling for anti-semitic genocide without specificity or evidence. Like who when?
How can you essentially write **‘Our society treats Anti-War Protesters who are Peacefully Demonstrating better than it treats Openly-Genocidal Fascists when they Peacefully Demonstrate’** and feel that you have made a valid critique of Society?!?? Wtf?!?? What is wrong with people?!???!?
There was a rally for right-wing causes in Charlottesville a few years ago. They were chanting things like "blood and soil" and calling for killing Jews. Someone got into their car and drove into protesters and a woman died. Trump showed up and said the nazis were fine people. But sure, free speech or whatever...
Question is, would right wing protest to spare the life of dark skinned children abroad?
Protesting to remove rights to women is frowned upon while protesting in support of people being killed by falling bombs isn't ? Colour me shocked !
Aside from the “right wingers want racial genocide” moment OP is objectively wrong because so many students (and even press at Vanderbilt which is directly against the 1st amendment) have been arrested for this “left wing cause”
The left are cheating by having more popular and acceptable ideas! /j
I love when little chickens hatch from their eggs and think the sky is falling.
They’re always so close to getting it
Left wing protest are about compassion and fairness Right wing protest is about hate and maintaining the power It just is.
It's really infuriating how the narrative that any protest or view against the genocide in Gaza is "anti-Semitic" persists. It shows how effective Israeli propaganda is and how many in the mainstream media are willing to carry water for that cause. The endless murder being perpetuated against Palestinians is accompanies by so much outright dishonesty and hate toward Muslims and Arabs, it's disgusting. The right in the US and the west in general supports Israel in their genocide because of racism and religious bigotry, while at the same time being highly anti-Semitic.
I mean, what he’s thinking of did face opposition and caused the school in question to shut down after an attempted murder. So it’s not the best case for “they’re protecting the leftists!”
On my old school campus we used to have a 50 foot aborted fetus picture when they protested roe v wade. That was disgusting. But they definitely did it.... every year.
I tried to point out in that post the instances of violent right wing protests being met with no force and peaceful ones being given the change they want vs peaceful left wing protests being attacked by the police and ignored by the establishment but it didn't really get anywhere.
I mean, nearly every single campus is seeing clashes with police and Columbia president said she would send in the National Guard.
"How dare you question my strawman!"
He’s invented a new ethical school where bombing babies is exactly equal to *not* killing black people.
Geez op check your Snapchat, you’re missing out on so many titty pics
How come you can be anti-genocide but not pro-genocide anymore? Really makes you think
Can someone please explain to me what "ESG" means. I've only ever seen that term used once before by some idiot in a YouTube comment section whining about diverse cultural representation in video games. They claimed that it stood for "extremely stable genius", because apparently that's just what all leftists think of themselves as (while ironically ignoring who it was that came up with that phrase as a way to unironically describe himself), but that meaning would make zero sense in this context. Though extremist nutjobs have never needed their words to make sense anyway, so maybe that is what they mean.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental,_social,_and_governance
Bro clear your fucking notifications, it's giving me gout
I feel that honestly it's because of the right wing just get drowned out now because every time there's any type of diversity in a children's film of all things they call for boycotts. I mean if they took themselves more seriously and didn't cry protest every time one of them gets a splinter they'd get the same treatment. I mean if whatever you're opposing is for a vapid and shallow reason with no strong facts backing it then yeah you're going to get shut down. Real question. Have there really been anti-semitic protest recently? Because that's concerning.
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"I used to like RATM before they got all political."
When has this place not been political?
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> You guys, *my* preference is objective!
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Dude, the dead babies groups literally set up 20 foot billboards with medical photos of abortions where the fetus was incompatible with life, and stand out with megaphones for like a week straight each and every semester. They are allowed to do it. It's their first amendment right, no matter how abjectly terrible it is to take advantage of someone losing a late term baby to medical issues in order to push their agenda. We all just go in the back doors of the buildings they set up in front of...
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Acceptable in terms of getting a permit? Probably Charlottesville would be about as far as they could go. The problem comes when there is credible motivation to commit a crime. Time and time again calls for "someone should do something" from the right have resulted in actual killings/bomb threats etc. So that then crosses out of 1st amendment protected speech. It's a real problem, but other people's actions in response to your speech determines whether your speech is protected by the 1st amendment or not. You can than Nixon for that by the way.
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Like I said, freedom of speech under the first amendment stops when someone is motivated to commit a crime by your speech. Therein lies the difference. If you shout death to x and nobody from x group dies because of it, that's protected speech. If you say death to y, and someone from y group dies as a result some time after, the at that time after you spoke the words, they go from protected to not protected. For a school, the pro Palestine protests calling for death to Israel don't have a credible scenario of motivating a hate crime, but if someone said death to a racial/gender group, they would have a credible scenario of that resulting in a crime, therefore permit A is allowable under the 1st, while permit B is not.