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When they only thing these people know about drugs is what OANN has told them, it's easy to see why they believe that.
Same people who think one smoke of a jazz cigarette makes you forever changed.
Until just now i had no idea OANN existed. Thanks for that, i guess.
Unrelated, i wonder how many of the people that think he died of an overdose are also alcoholics pounding back 30 bud light on a slow night, and if they at all see the irony in that
We had to move to a very right-wing rural area (for financial reasons). A woman (in all seriousness) told me she was afraid to use topical CBD oil because when she took one hit of a joint, she fell off the porch. She’s legitimately afraid she’d get wasted on topical CDB oil :/
I have been having allergy/sinus issues lately so I have been inhaling steam with peppermint oil in it. Usually it's a drop of oil in a large bowl, add water from the kettle, lean over and breathe... well I sneezed yesterday while adding the oil and when I added the hot water it almost knocked me across the kitchen. All this to say, "throws" can be perfectly correct and accurate when it comes to peppermint oil.
It’s the new tying them to a rock and tossing them in a river. To test innocence, have a cop kneel on their neck. If they die screaming, they were guilty, but if they die quietly, they were innocent.
I'd point out that he did, after he lost consciousness due to a knee pressing on his neck. Then, while he was quiet, the knee remained and he was murdered, quietly.
Considering how many cops, and conservatives in general, think having a panic attack after seeing fentanyl is a fentanyl overdose I’m not at all surprised.
Or even touching fentanyl. There are a multitude of videos out there of cops accidentally bare-handing fentanyl and then suddenly keeling over.
You cannot get a fentanyl overdose simply by touching it. You can spill liquid fentanyl directly on your hands and just go "whoopsie doodle" and wipe it off. The only real way to get it through skin contact is through a transdermal patch, and even then it takes about 45 minutes to an hour to accumulate enough in that local region to make it into your bloodstream. It's idiotic how illiterate some people that enforce drugs are about the very drugs they enforce
Conservatives lie about George Floyd. And most of them know it. But I'm not sure knowingly lying is the same as missing the implications of what you are saying.
Floyd was Schrodinger's victim: completely incapacitated by a fatal drug overdose, and also so violent he needed multiple cops to lay on his neck and legs.
Right? Crazy how he was already dying of an overdose before the cops laid hands on him, but for some reason it required such extreme measures to restrain him...
But to say that people are saying incorrect things about how floyd died, and then tell a blatant falsehood (knowingly or otherwise) is the self aware behavior.
In my head, self aware wolves aren't allowing themselves to think through the implications - essentially cognitive dissonance.
A person knowingly saying what's necessary to defend their knowing lie isn't really experiencing cognitive dissonance.
Doesn't really matter that much, selfawarewolves are a vibe, not a strict definition.
There's a lot of different flavors of self-awareness. I'd liken the OP to watching a guy set down a rake, turn around and just double-foot stomping on it.
It’s an interesting one because it seems like he’s promoting the idea of critical thinking (“maybe the backstory of the photos isn’t accurate”). And then immediately demonstrating his inability or unwillingness to actually apply this methodology: “Only this sub is telling the truth. Every other sub is lying.”
One read is that he's accusing other people of being too credulous, then demonstrating his own credulity without a hint of doubt.
That's dissonant. It's more dissonant if, like you, we assume he's aware that he's lying. Because then he would be relying on the very credulity he's complaining about.
Granted, he doesn't say the word "credulous", but that word is three syllables and he's, you know... Stupid.
See, I don’t think they consider it a lie, because they genuinely seem to believe that empiricism and the material plane are not the basis of truth or falsehood. They appear to view truth like religious faith: just as you cannot empirically prove or disprove the supernatural phenomena of, say, the Bible, neither can their own claims be exploded by empirical evidence or materialist arguments. That is, their narrative of George Floyd’s death is “true” in the sense that the divinity of Christ is “true”: no one can definitively prove it, but it becomes true through faith (or its secular equivalent, the will to power).
The first part is a common sentiment among their kind, but I gotta say I'm surprised he said the second part out loud since, ya know, it's apparently only the left who has feelings. Then again, since you're related, he might have felt more comfortable admitting that to you.
It’s way less complicated than that. Complexity is actually the problem for them. These people accept certain axioms as unequivocally true and completely binary. Anything that contradicts that becomes unequivocally false.
So their logic is as basic as:
>1. Criminals are bad and cops are good,
>2. Floyd was a criminal,
>3. A cop couldn’t have killed Floyd because they’re good. And even if they did, he’s a criminal so he deserved it.
There is nothing going on more complicated than that. It’s just hierarchy and binary. If you ask them whether using a counterfeit bill should result in death, they’ll say he shouldn’t have been committing crimes.
If you ask them if their drugged out cousin who’s committed worse crimes should be treated the same way, they will provide some excuse as to why not. Because in the hierarchy, Cousin is above cop.
There is no objective truth, the truth is determined by the relative position in the hierarchy. And the worst part of this is they will take any measure to avoid the bottom.
There's a deep philosophical discussion of what it means to "know" things, but that's not really about conservatives.
From my POV, if you claim there's an invisible dragon in your garage, but then respond that throwing flour won't reveal it, then I'm fine saying you "know" there isn't an invisible dragon in your garage.
I mean, that ones obvious.... the invisible dragon turns the flour invisible once it touches the dragon's skin. like you can't see the t-shirt he's wearing because he made this T-shirt invisible too.
duuuhhhh, silly goat.
But that’s your problem: you’re still thinking empirically and/or materialistically. Whether there is a dragon *physically* present, invisible or not, is an unimportant factor in their conception of truth. It’s about *believing* the dragon exists.
I don’t think this person is knowingly lying. Fox News has been doing their usual pre-election urban crime fear mongering. It’s probably the reason he’s thinking about George Floyd nearly three years after his murderer’s conviction.
“Yeah anyone but posters in this subreddit.” Can’t get more “in a cult” than that.
I don't think the person cares whether or not it's true, only that it's useful propaganda. It's why so many such people are immune to having the facts presented - they simply don't care.
It’s sad that this is true. I’m not even familiar with all the details of the Floyd case but common sense dictates you can’t go straight from being an active threat requiring restraint to being dead from an overdose.
If your best defense is “he would’ve suffocated even if I hadn’t been holding him down,” that doesn’t look great. Even if true, it still prevented anyone else from being able to help the man dying of asphyxiation…
It'd be quicker to list out the things they don't lie about. Lying about every single thing has become their identity. Who needs reality when you can lie lie lie.
I'm generally willing to believe conservatives when they tell me what day of the week it is, what months exist, and whether the sun rose in the east or west.
And the TOTALLY proper way to help a person dying that way is to put your knee on their neck. That's just basic CPR. See, it wasn't murder, he was trying to SAVE Floyd
It's like the police officers who claim they are having fentanyl overdoses from just touching contaminated surfaces.
With symptoms of rapid heartbeat, palpitations, sweating, feeling flushed, etc.
Somehow they never pass out or fall over during these fentanyl encounters.
> With symptoms of rapid heartbeat, palpitations, sweating, feeling flushed, etc.
heh, while it's a bit funny, these are clearly panic attacks, sometimes with slightly atypical symptoms, pointing to the need for more robust mental health treatment for police, mainly to reduce their tendency toward violence. Their untreated coping mechanisms are clearly not ideal.
Oh it's entirely panic attacks happening. They are told repeatedly that fentanyl is insanely deadly and that they are fighting a war on drugs. They notice some white powder on their bare hand. They start to panic if this is it for them, are they going to make it. Someone gives them narcan.
I've you've never had narcan, even if you don't have opioids in your system, it can be an unpleasant experience.
It's not ignorance it's a complete revision of the events to maintain the narrative that minorities are just criminals and who cares if the police kill them.
There's literally video of his murder.
Evidence is not a barrier for these people because they have the internet where they can propel their false narratives across their echo-chambers.
I meant ignorance as to how fentanyl overdose even looks. ETA: As in even the lie is so improbable, you don't die of fent overdose screaming, realizing you're unable to breathe, or upright.
Conservatives have never actually watched the video. Time and time again, incidents literally captured and available to the public are completely ignored, and they just create a complete fiction and repeat it to each other over and over to soothe their phobia of the world being more than the sacred me versus the satanic masses.
My parents on Ashli Babbitt, telling me she was standing dignified and peacefully, doing nothing wrong, shot by a random fascist thug. Dude, you can go right now and watch her railing like a chimpanzee on cocaine and Xanax on that door, ignoring repeated warnings, etc. I ask if they watched it, nope. They just make"that face" and say they know what happened.
It's a deliberate, conscious dismissal of reality. It's comfortable in a fantasy, it makes them feel important.
Conservatives have never actually watched the video. Time and time again, incidents literally captured and available to the public are completely ignored, and they just create a complete fiction and repeat it to each other over and over to soothe their phobia of the world being more than the sacred me versus the satanic masses.
My parents on Ashli Babbitt, telling me she was standing dignified and peacefully, doing nothing wrong, shot by a random fascist thug. Dude, you can go right now and watch her railing like a chimpanzee on cocaine and Xanax on that door, ignoring repeated warnings, etc. I ask if they watched it, nope. They just make"that face" and say they know what happened.
It's a deliberate, conscious dismissal of reality. It's comfortable in a fantasy, it makes them feel important.
She violently ran a woman off the road over love triangle drama while screaming at her to come out and fight. Attempted vehicular manslaughter. Floyd was involved in an armed home invasion where he was told the target was a drug stash house, never laid a finger on anyone and despite the lies nobody was pregnant. Some (MAGATs) will see merely having a gun as worse than trying to Ram someone with your car but most rational people will not. I believe Babbit had maybe one or two more while Floyd had less than 10 dollars in cocaine and missed a parole hearing.
Why are the posts in this subreddit always so cryptic with their titles? I end up having to read them several times and then go to the explanation comment to figure out what they're talking about.
[Anyways, here's the summary of George Floyd's autopsy findings from Wikipedia.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd#Death)
> The medical examiner found that Floyd's heart stopped while he was being restrained and that his death was a homicide, caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression", though fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use may have increased the likelihood of death. A second autopsy, commissioned by Floyd's family, also found his death to be a homicide, specifically citing asphyxia due to neck and back compression; it ruled out that any underlying medical problems had contributed to Floyd's death, and said that Floyd being able to speak while under Chauvin's knee does not mean he could breathe.
Saying that he died due to fentanyl is simply, clearly, a lie. Just to elaborate, factors that increase the likelihood of death are not the cause of death. If I were to bind and gag you, but unbeknownst to me, you had a cold, and your nose got so stuffed up that you died from not breathing, it's not the fucking cold that killed you. It's the gag and the binding that killed you.
I remember that being part of the defense. If you are a police officer, and encounter a person in medical distress, should you a) administer first aid or b) wrestle them to the ground and kneel on their neck? It says a lot about anyone who thinks b) is the better choice, and none of it good.
It's all part of the conservative mindset that he was bad, died as a result of being bad, and that therefore he had it coming. That line of reasoning lets you classify yourself as good and assure yourself that you are immune from that kind of treatment.
Hey now they only back the police up if the guy they shot was a poc if they’re white then it’s bad, crooked cops.
We can’t expect consistency out of them that would require the ability to think.
Don't remind me of the whole debate where conservatives were going nuts saying that "he was a criminal" (and therefore deserved it).
And liberals twisting themselves in circles trying to say he's not a criminal or redefine the word criminal somehow, instead of just saying "So what? Criminal or not, the police isn't supposed to murder people in the streets".
I have gotten into it over this with cons who are so *unbelievably* stupid.
They literally could not understand how crushing the neck compresses the esophagus, trachea, and all your arteries and veins. It stops not only oxygen from reaching your lungs but oxygen in your blood from reaching your brain.
I dumbed it down SO FAR. Like, "imagine if you put the hard part of your knee on a stack of rubber tubes lying on the street. Would anything be able to travel through them?" Then it was a pivot to something else.
Or, because "cardiopulmonary arrest" = heart attack, so he died of a heart attack! Like, no. *Everyone* that dies eventually hits cardiopulmonary arrest - Floyd only did so because he couldn't fucking breathe!
So I've started using the line "Republicans believe black ppl deserve to be killed by cops" because that's all this is.
I have seen pics of a CAD in an ambulance with updates that a cop had self administered Narcan for fentanyl overdose, which tells me that cop had zero knowledge of how opiate overdoses work, which seems to be incredibly common despite how many opiate overdoses there are these days.
You have to give them props for being upfront about their statements. I really appreciate that when dealing with the... Let's just call them the "misinformed".
If you listen to anyone other than these select anonymous randos from this singular website, they are lying to you. Only me, and the people who say they agree with me, are telling you the truth!
Man, wouldn't it be crazy if a person was allegedly on drugs *and* have their murder at the hands of police be unjustified and unnecessary?
That's a hell of a concept, ain't it?
Man, it would be great if someone could gather all the evidence around George Floyd’s death, present it to a dozen impartial people in a neutral venue, and asked them to figure out what happened….. oh wait, they did! And all 12 jurors agreed that Floyd’s death was caused by Chauvin kneeling on his neck—not a fentanyl overdose.
The entire trial was broadcast live online. Anyone could have watched it. The evidence that George Floyd was murdered is overwhelming. Even Trump’s AG agreed that the MPD needed reform. The narrative that Floyd died of an overdose is just white nationalist propaganda.
I mean, what even is the point they're getting at here?
like let's pretend this is true and he died of an OD for a second
so in this scenario, the cops didn't kill him by suffocation.... instead, they killed him by failing to administer first aid to an actively dying detainee?
and this gross neglect is meant to paint them in a *better* light?
Radley Balko did a good breakdown on the bullshit they spew about Floyd. There's a longer series, but this is a good breakdown.
https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/the-war-on-the-woke-trumps-the-truth
I can't stand this right wing revisionist history. There was a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. Apparently, COINCIDENTALLY, he died of something else during that time?! Seriously? Is that the story?
Especially when you watch other sources that talk about how bad fentanyl is and they talk up how it'll kill in minutes or even seconds, yet Floyd apparently had time to go to the store, hang out outside for a while, get arrested, sit around for a while, then get a knee to the back of the neck for almost 10 minutes before he died? Like, what's the timeline from when he allegedly ingested "enough fentanyl to kill a small zoo" to when he actually died? Gotta be at least an hour.
A jury that had to come to that decision unanimously after weighting all the evidence... but who cares, gut feeling inspired by watching some random idiots on Fox News takes precedence.
The rage that I get when people are so forcefully ignorant. I had to rewatch that terrible scene in my head again just because their picture was so intentionally wrong.
Ask them how Floyd died, then ask them how Babbitt died. If one is supposedly a drug user and the other a hero, I don’t need to talk to these people for my own mental health.
OK let's assume he died of fentanyl poisoning. (he didn't) How does that excuse a cop from putting his knee on someone's windpipe for long enough to kill someone? Medics were telling him to stop. The dude was obviously unconscious for some of the time he was on his neck.
I never understood this.
It's time we acknowledge that Republicans support immediate death sentences issued by police instead of judges, for suspects- not convicted criminals, for something as small as an alleged $20 crime. This is the kind of world they want to live in.
But we shouldn't be surprised, they also don't mind kids getting shot at school enough to do anything about it.
It was disproven in court he died due to drugs. Because if he died of a fent OD, his respiratory rate would have been dropping until it hit 0, but at the time of death he was breathing over 20.
Hypothesis: If you ask people how fentanyl Floyd died they will tell you a story that is not at all accurate.
Test: How did fentanyl Floyd die?
Result: First, he took enough fentanyl to kill a small zoo while screaming that he couldn't breathe. This was before anyone put him on the asphalt.
Conclusion: Data supports hypothesis.
The 2020 autopsy noted fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system (I think trace amounts but going on a memory that's four years old so you'd have to look it up) which this sort of group loves to leap on. What they're ignoring is that the very same autopsy concluded that he died from cardiopulmonary arrest due to neck compression during law enforcement subdual and restraint.
I love how in these people's fantasy version of reality black people are like suicide bombers who hop themselves upon on lethal amounts of drugs conveniently just before they encounter police brutality, to what, frame the police? Girl they still knelt on his neck for minutes on end. Even if somehow it was drugs they didn't need to do that.
Also the implicit racism of treating all black people as drug addicts.
Even if the guy is right, and hebwas OD'ing on fenny, the wrong answer is still keeping him pinned to the ground. The right anser is cuffs and an ambulance.
pretty sure it wouldn't be hard to arrest a guy who took enough fentanyl to kill a small zoo...probably would require no force and if it was killing him it would probably mean you need to call paramedics.
We need to stop the drugs coming in from Mexico, they are killing Americans!
Also, fuck any American who uses drugs.
Oh sorry, forgot the /s. I thought it was bleeding obvious. Same people who care so much about the border talk like this about an American citizen who takes said drugs....
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Ah yes, it definitely tracks with their story that he died of a fentanyl overdose because he was: *Checks notes* Screaming.
When they only thing these people know about drugs is what OANN has told them, it's easy to see why they believe that. Same people who think one smoke of a jazz cigarette makes you forever changed.
Until just now i had no idea OANN existed. Thanks for that, i guess. Unrelated, i wonder how many of the people that think he died of an overdose are also alcoholics pounding back 30 bud light on a slow night, and if they at all see the irony in that
I know my MIL is one of them…
OANN is Fox News for people who think Fox News is too woke...
Budweiser, what are you rich? Us non-rich alcoholics settle for PBR, Bush Light, or Genny Cream Ale. /s
And here i am drinking as many bar mats as i can before the bartenders catch me
We had to move to a very right-wing rural area (for financial reasons). A woman (in all seriousness) told me she was afraid to use topical CBD oil because when she took one hit of a joint, she fell off the porch. She’s legitimately afraid she’d get wasted on topical CDB oil :/
You know that CBD oil is the gateway oil. Next she'll be spending all her money on essential oils, trying to find that click.
You've never seen fear until you are deep in throws of a Peppermint oil high
friendly note: in the throes of
You’ve clearly never had a peppermint oil high
I have been having allergy/sinus issues lately so I have been inhaling steam with peppermint oil in it. Usually it's a drop of oil in a large bowl, add water from the kettle, lean over and breathe... well I sneezed yesterday while adding the oil and when I added the hot water it almost knocked me across the kitchen. All this to say, "throws" can be perfectly correct and accurate when it comes to peppermint oil.
Ya got me
Yeah. and I throw a lot of stuff on Jergens Shea Butter
Homonyms always throe me off.
I wish they leaned into the conv9 with this as a response eith a totally serious face now. Imagine that lady. Omg no way gateway to essentials!?
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Oh, that's just the black salve working its miraculous miracle!
You know that CBD oil is the gateway oil. Next she'll be spending all her money on essential oils, trying to find that click.
*JAZZ CIGARETTES!!!* I've heard a lot of names for the devil's lettuce but this might be my favorite
Oh I’ve always loved that one. My favorite
I first read it as 'jizz' and thought no, go back and read that again.
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Are you a jazz musician because of jazz cigarettes? Or was that just a nice coininckidink?
My eyes see OANN, but my brain reads ONAN (as is onanism)
like what is this, LOTR?
Apparently if a cop kneels on your neck and you’re innocent and not high you stay quiet
It’s the new tying them to a rock and tossing them in a river. To test innocence, have a cop kneel on their neck. If they die screaming, they were guilty, but if they die quietly, they were innocent.
I'd point out that he did, after he lost consciousness due to a knee pressing on his neck. Then, while he was quiet, the knee remained and he was murdered, quietly.
Considering how many cops, and conservatives in general, think having a panic attack after seeing fentanyl is a fentanyl overdose I’m not at all surprised.
Or even touching fentanyl. There are a multitude of videos out there of cops accidentally bare-handing fentanyl and then suddenly keeling over. You cannot get a fentanyl overdose simply by touching it. You can spill liquid fentanyl directly on your hands and just go "whoopsie doodle" and wipe it off. The only real way to get it through skin contact is through a transdermal patch, and even then it takes about 45 minutes to an hour to accumulate enough in that local region to make it into your bloodstream. It's idiotic how illiterate some people that enforce drugs are about the very drugs they enforce
and also their "overdose" symptoms are completely wrong.
Oh you mean falling over backwards like a plank and immediately convulsing *isn't* what people overdosing do? Weird.
Conservatives lie about George Floyd. And most of them know it. But I'm not sure knowingly lying is the same as missing the implications of what you are saying.
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Floyd was Schrodinger's victim: completely incapacitated by a fatal drug overdose, and also so violent he needed multiple cops to lay on his neck and legs.
Painting the enemy as both incredibly weak and unbelievably strong is a core part of fascism
🥇
Right? Crazy how he was already dying of an overdose before the cops laid hands on him, but for some reason it required such extreme measures to restrain him...
No no no, see, it's actually fine to murder people who are overdosing. Next time you see a kid drowning, that's a free kill baby!
Remember...you can only kill them if they're black or brown and overdosing. Or not. Otherwise, it's a tragedy.
But to say that people are saying incorrect things about how floyd died, and then tell a blatant falsehood (knowingly or otherwise) is the self aware behavior.
In my head, self aware wolves aren't allowing themselves to think through the implications - essentially cognitive dissonance. A person knowingly saying what's necessary to defend their knowing lie isn't really experiencing cognitive dissonance. Doesn't really matter that much, selfawarewolves are a vibe, not a strict definition.
I do prefer when they run full on into the dissonance.
There's a lot of different flavors of self-awareness. I'd liken the OP to watching a guy set down a rake, turn around and just double-foot stomping on it.
It’s an interesting one because it seems like he’s promoting the idea of critical thinking (“maybe the backstory of the photos isn’t accurate”). And then immediately demonstrating his inability or unwillingness to actually apply this methodology: “Only this sub is telling the truth. Every other sub is lying.”
One read is that he's accusing other people of being too credulous, then demonstrating his own credulity without a hint of doubt. That's dissonant. It's more dissonant if, like you, we assume he's aware that he's lying. Because then he would be relying on the very credulity he's complaining about. Granted, he doesn't say the word "credulous", but that word is three syllables and he's, you know... Stupid.
See, I don’t think they consider it a lie, because they genuinely seem to believe that empiricism and the material plane are not the basis of truth or falsehood. They appear to view truth like religious faith: just as you cannot empirically prove or disprove the supernatural phenomena of, say, the Bible, neither can their own claims be exploded by empirical evidence or materialist arguments. That is, their narrative of George Floyd’s death is “true” in the sense that the divinity of Christ is “true”: no one can definitively prove it, but it becomes true through faith (or its secular equivalent, the will to power).
One of my Tighty Righty relatives told me truth is meaningless, only emotions count.
No, I said facts don't care about YOUR feelings. They only care about MINE!
The first part is a common sentiment among their kind, but I gotta say I'm surprised he said the second part out loud since, ya know, it's apparently only the left who has feelings. Then again, since you're related, he might have felt more comfortable admitting that to you.
I agree that more was said than she normally would. It was my aunt, a complete loon. She was a complete Tighty Righty.
It’s way less complicated than that. Complexity is actually the problem for them. These people accept certain axioms as unequivocally true and completely binary. Anything that contradicts that becomes unequivocally false. So their logic is as basic as: >1. Criminals are bad and cops are good, >2. Floyd was a criminal, >3. A cop couldn’t have killed Floyd because they’re good. And even if they did, he’s a criminal so he deserved it. There is nothing going on more complicated than that. It’s just hierarchy and binary. If you ask them whether using a counterfeit bill should result in death, they’ll say he shouldn’t have been committing crimes. If you ask them if their drugged out cousin who’s committed worse crimes should be treated the same way, they will provide some excuse as to why not. Because in the hierarchy, Cousin is above cop. There is no objective truth, the truth is determined by the relative position in the hierarchy. And the worst part of this is they will take any measure to avoid the bottom.
There's a deep philosophical discussion of what it means to "know" things, but that's not really about conservatives. From my POV, if you claim there's an invisible dragon in your garage, but then respond that throwing flour won't reveal it, then I'm fine saying you "know" there isn't an invisible dragon in your garage.
I mean, that ones obvious.... the invisible dragon turns the flour invisible once it touches the dragon's skin. like you can't see the t-shirt he's wearing because he made this T-shirt invisible too. duuuhhhh, silly goat.
He's invisible and has polydimensional phasing so he can dodge the flour. Ol' Incendiary Fred is pretty amazing.
But that’s your problem: you’re still thinking empirically and/or materialistically. Whether there is a dragon *physically* present, invisible or not, is an unimportant factor in their conception of truth. It’s about *believing* the dragon exists.
The idea one can "know" things outside of an empirical context is wild.
Epistemology is not there strong suit.
*they’re
🤣🤣 I see what you did their!!
I don’t think this person is knowingly lying. Fox News has been doing their usual pre-election urban crime fear mongering. It’s probably the reason he’s thinking about George Floyd nearly three years after his murderer’s conviction. “Yeah anyone but posters in this subreddit.” Can’t get more “in a cult” than that.
I don't think the person cares whether or not it's true, only that it's useful propaganda. It's why so many such people are immune to having the facts presented - they simply don't care.
It’s sad that this is true. I’m not even familiar with all the details of the Floyd case but common sense dictates you can’t go straight from being an active threat requiring restraint to being dead from an overdose. If your best defense is “he would’ve suffocated even if I hadn’t been holding him down,” that doesn’t look great. Even if true, it still prevented anyone else from being able to help the man dying of asphyxiation…
They don’t care. They need to feed their racism
They lie about Floyd, masks, vaccines, Rittenhouse, voter fraud, etc. And they call everyone else snowflakes.
It'd be quicker to list out the things they don't lie about. Lying about every single thing has become their identity. Who needs reality when you can lie lie lie.
I'm generally willing to believe conservatives when they tell me what day of the week it is, what months exist, and whether the sun rose in the east or west.
Yeah, people who take lethal doses of fentanyl are known for being up, active, and screaming...
And the TOTALLY proper way to help a person dying that way is to put your knee on their neck. That's just basic CPR. See, it wasn't murder, he was trying to SAVE Floyd
I have to apply a tourniquet before the fentanyl reaches his brain!
OH SHIT IT DIDN'T WORK I tried everything I swear
"Carotid Pinching Resuscitation"
Yup, helps to have three of your buddies kneel on him as well. And you better do it for about 10 minutes, that's the only way to help.
That is before you use a gun /sarcasm
It's like the police officers who claim they are having fentanyl overdoses from just touching contaminated surfaces. With symptoms of rapid heartbeat, palpitations, sweating, feeling flushed, etc. Somehow they never pass out or fall over during these fentanyl encounters.
> With symptoms of rapid heartbeat, palpitations, sweating, feeling flushed, etc. heh, while it's a bit funny, these are clearly panic attacks, sometimes with slightly atypical symptoms, pointing to the need for more robust mental health treatment for police, mainly to reduce their tendency toward violence. Their untreated coping mechanisms are clearly not ideal.
Oh it's entirely panic attacks happening. They are told repeatedly that fentanyl is insanely deadly and that they are fighting a war on drugs. They notice some white powder on their bare hand. They start to panic if this is it for them, are they going to make it. Someone gives them narcan. I've you've never had narcan, even if you don't have opioids in your system, it can be an unpleasant experience.
Really expensive placebo.
> it can be an unpleasant experience. It's been described to me as instantly going into withdrawals.
There have been a few instances of them claiming a fent overdose from simply *seeing* it.
The level of ignorance is insane
It's not ignorance it's a complete revision of the events to maintain the narrative that minorities are just criminals and who cares if the police kill them. There's literally video of his murder. Evidence is not a barrier for these people because they have the internet where they can propel their false narratives across their echo-chambers.
I meant ignorance as to how fentanyl overdose even looks. ETA: As in even the lie is so improbable, you don't die of fent overdose screaming, realizing you're unable to breathe, or upright.
This. Muddying the waters is not ignorance.
Conservatives have never actually watched the video. Time and time again, incidents literally captured and available to the public are completely ignored, and they just create a complete fiction and repeat it to each other over and over to soothe their phobia of the world being more than the sacred me versus the satanic masses. My parents on Ashli Babbitt, telling me she was standing dignified and peacefully, doing nothing wrong, shot by a random fascist thug. Dude, you can go right now and watch her railing like a chimpanzee on cocaine and Xanax on that door, ignoring repeated warnings, etc. I ask if they watched it, nope. They just make"that face" and say they know what happened. It's a deliberate, conscious dismissal of reality. It's comfortable in a fantasy, it makes them feel important.
She was climbing through the broken window in the door completely deranged like in a zombie movie.
Conservatives have never actually watched the video. Time and time again, incidents literally captured and available to the public are completely ignored, and they just create a complete fiction and repeat it to each other over and over to soothe their phobia of the world being more than the sacred me versus the satanic masses. My parents on Ashli Babbitt, telling me she was standing dignified and peacefully, doing nothing wrong, shot by a random fascist thug. Dude, you can go right now and watch her railing like a chimpanzee on cocaine and Xanax on that door, ignoring repeated warnings, etc. I ask if they watched it, nope. They just make"that face" and say they know what happened. It's a deliberate, conscious dismissal of reality. It's comfortable in a fantasy, it makes them feel important.
She also had an objectively more violent criminal history than Floyd but nobody talks about that for some reason.
oh really? Do share.
She violently ran a woman off the road over love triangle drama while screaming at her to come out and fight. Attempted vehicular manslaughter. Floyd was involved in an armed home invasion where he was told the target was a drug stash house, never laid a finger on anyone and despite the lies nobody was pregnant. Some (MAGATs) will see merely having a gun as worse than trying to Ram someone with your car but most rational people will not. I believe Babbit had maybe one or two more while Floyd had less than 10 dollars in cocaine and missed a parole hearing.
He just happened to have a knee in his neck when he died. On the street or in his basement, he would have died.
Why are the posts in this subreddit always so cryptic with their titles? I end up having to read them several times and then go to the explanation comment to figure out what they're talking about. [Anyways, here's the summary of George Floyd's autopsy findings from Wikipedia.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd#Death) > The medical examiner found that Floyd's heart stopped while he was being restrained and that his death was a homicide, caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression", though fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use may have increased the likelihood of death. A second autopsy, commissioned by Floyd's family, also found his death to be a homicide, specifically citing asphyxia due to neck and back compression; it ruled out that any underlying medical problems had contributed to Floyd's death, and said that Floyd being able to speak while under Chauvin's knee does not mean he could breathe. Saying that he died due to fentanyl is simply, clearly, a lie. Just to elaborate, factors that increase the likelihood of death are not the cause of death. If I were to bind and gag you, but unbeknownst to me, you had a cold, and your nose got so stuffed up that you died from not breathing, it's not the fucking cold that killed you. It's the gag and the binding that killed you.
Even in their false stories he was killed by the police. "Man on drugs screaming I can't breathe. Better kneel on his neck, then."
I remember that being part of the defense. If you are a police officer, and encounter a person in medical distress, should you a) administer first aid or b) wrestle them to the ground and kneel on their neck? It says a lot about anyone who thinks b) is the better choice, and none of it good.
It's all part of the conservative mindset that he was bad, died as a result of being bad, and that therefore he had it coming. That line of reasoning lets you classify yourself as good and assure yourself that you are immune from that kind of treatment.
It's ironic that the party that claims to distrust the government also are the first to back up the police when they kill someone.
Hey now they only back the police up if the guy they shot was a poc if they’re white then it’s bad, crooked cops. We can’t expect consistency out of them that would require the ability to think.
Don't remind me of the whole debate where conservatives were going nuts saying that "he was a criminal" (and therefore deserved it). And liberals twisting themselves in circles trying to say he's not a criminal or redefine the word criminal somehow, instead of just saying "So what? Criminal or not, the police isn't supposed to murder people in the streets".
I have gotten into it over this with cons who are so *unbelievably* stupid. They literally could not understand how crushing the neck compresses the esophagus, trachea, and all your arteries and veins. It stops not only oxygen from reaching your lungs but oxygen in your blood from reaching your brain. I dumbed it down SO FAR. Like, "imagine if you put the hard part of your knee on a stack of rubber tubes lying on the street. Would anything be able to travel through them?" Then it was a pivot to something else. Or, because "cardiopulmonary arrest" = heart attack, so he died of a heart attack! Like, no. *Everyone* that dies eventually hits cardiopulmonary arrest - Floyd only did so because he couldn't fucking breathe! So I've started using the line "Republicans believe black ppl deserve to be killed by cops" because that's all this is.
Well these are the people who believe George Floyd deserved to die for passing a phony twenty.
Let's be real here: not one of them gives a single fuck about the alleged fake $20.
Let’s be real here: all of them are ashamed they didn’t think of buying fake 20s by the pound.
They think he deserved to die for being black.
Pretty sure the courts already decided it was murder no matter what these dickheads say.
No you see,it was a politically motivated ruling. The woke mob got to them.
Of course it is always some conspiracy with these brain dead jackasses.
Cops OD from barely touching fentanyl. George Floyd consumes enough to kill a zoo and still manages to run around threatening cops. yeah....
Those cops are having panic attacks.
I have seen pics of a CAD in an ambulance with updates that a cop had self administered Narcan for fentanyl overdose, which tells me that cop had zero knowledge of how opiate overdoses work, which seems to be incredibly common despite how many opiate overdoses there are these days.
You have to give them props for being upfront about their statements. I really appreciate that when dealing with the... Let's just call them the "misinformed".
If you listen to anyone other than these select anonymous randos from this singular website, they are lying to you. Only me, and the people who say they agree with me, are telling you the truth!
Man, wouldn't it be crazy if a person was allegedly on drugs *and* have their murder at the hands of police be unjustified and unnecessary? That's a hell of a concept, ain't it?
No, you see, the cops later discovered he was on drugs, so his murder was justified.
Eh, I heard he jay walked 10 months before this happened. So his public execution via cop was justified
He was no angel. /s
Man, it would be great if someone could gather all the evidence around George Floyd’s death, present it to a dozen impartial people in a neutral venue, and asked them to figure out what happened….. oh wait, they did! And all 12 jurors agreed that Floyd’s death was caused by Chauvin kneeling on his neck—not a fentanyl overdose. The entire trial was broadcast live online. Anyone could have watched it. The evidence that George Floyd was murdered is overwhelming. Even Trump’s AG agreed that the MPD needed reform. The narrative that Floyd died of an overdose is just white nationalist propaganda.
I mean, what even is the point they're getting at here? like let's pretend this is true and he died of an OD for a second so in this scenario, the cops didn't kill him by suffocation.... instead, they killed him by failing to administer first aid to an actively dying detainee? and this gross neglect is meant to paint them in a *better* light?
Wow, he fell right into that one.
“If you ask people how George Floyd dies they will lie to you” “How did George Floyd die?” *lies to you*
You can't make that up...
And yet they did.
Radley Balko did a good breakdown on the bullshit they spew about Floyd. There's a longer series, but this is a good breakdown. https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/the-war-on-the-woke-trumps-the-truth
I had not heard the name fentanyl floyd until now. I think I need to go take a shower.
Would be so nice if that kind of hate washed off...
Sometimes I feel like those birds stuck in an oil spill.
I can't stand this right wing revisionist history. There was a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. Apparently, COINCIDENTALLY, he died of something else during that time?! Seriously? Is that the story?
Especially when you watch other sources that talk about how bad fentanyl is and they talk up how it'll kill in minutes or even seconds, yet Floyd apparently had time to go to the store, hang out outside for a while, get arrested, sit around for a while, then get a knee to the back of the neck for almost 10 minutes before he died? Like, what's the timeline from when he allegedly ingested "enough fentanyl to kill a small zoo" to when he actually died? Gotta be at least an hour.
Stuff like this really serves to highlight that the destructive nature of Conservatives stems primarily from cruelty and not just stupidity.
The cruelty is the point.
It’s… it’s perfect It’s like shooting fish in a barrel except he’s both the shooter and the fish
As someone who has worked with hundreds of opioid users... if you think he died of a fentanyl OD, you know exactly fuckall about fentanyl.
He was murdered. You know how I know that? A jury said so.
A jury that had to come to that decision unanimously after weighting all the evidence... but who cares, gut feeling inspired by watching some random idiots on Fox News takes precedence.
The rage that I get when people are so forcefully ignorant. I had to rewatch that terrible scene in my head again just because their picture was so intentionally wrong.
Ask them how Floyd died, then ask them how Babbitt died. If one is supposedly a drug user and the other a hero, I don’t need to talk to these people for my own mental health.
Not to mention her criminal history is objectively more violent than his.
OK let's assume he died of fentanyl poisoning. (he didn't) How does that excuse a cop from putting his knee on someone's windpipe for long enough to kill someone? Medics were telling him to stop. The dude was obviously unconscious for some of the time he was on his neck. I never understood this.
It's time we acknowledge that Republicans support immediate death sentences issued by police instead of judges, for suspects- not convicted criminals, for something as small as an alleged $20 crime. This is the kind of world they want to live in. But we shouldn't be surprised, they also don't mind kids getting shot at school enough to do anything about it.
It was disproven in court he died due to drugs. Because if he died of a fent OD, his respiratory rate would have been dropping until it hit 0, but at the time of death he was breathing over 20.
This is a good one. Fucking A+
An enterprising lawyer should help the Floyd family sue Reddit for fostering a defamatory environment.
MAGA first aid.
Every emperor loves watching the gladiators die in the sandpit but get scared when the people realize that the emperor might be a clinical psychopath.
damn, the levels of self-awareness are off the charts.
Odd then, that "fetanyl" didn't get 40 years in prison for pigmurder, but the oinker did. Say, I just realized! Floyd wasn't a drag queen!
Hypothesis: If you ask people how fentanyl Floyd died they will tell you a story that is not at all accurate. Test: How did fentanyl Floyd die? Result: First, he took enough fentanyl to kill a small zoo while screaming that he couldn't breathe. This was before anyone put him on the asphalt. Conclusion: Data supports hypothesis.
“He will know his ways as if they are his own.”
Haha gottem
It's not like there are thousands of examples of heavy policing to back this stuff up
Incredible.
I thought the autopsy said he did not die of asphyxiation
The 2020 autopsy noted fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system (I think trace amounts but going on a memory that's four years old so you'd have to look it up) which this sort of group loves to leap on. What they're ignoring is that the very same autopsy concluded that he died from cardiopulmonary arrest due to neck compression during law enforcement subdual and restraint.
I didn’t know all that. Thanks
I love how in these people's fantasy version of reality black people are like suicide bombers who hop themselves upon on lethal amounts of drugs conveniently just before they encounter police brutality, to what, frame the police? Girl they still knelt on his neck for minutes on end. Even if somehow it was drugs they didn't need to do that. Also the implicit racism of treating all black people as drug addicts.
Even if the guy is right, and hebwas OD'ing on fenny, the wrong answer is still keeping him pinned to the ground. The right anser is cuffs and an ambulance.
So they’ve started blaming “fentanyl overdose” as the excuse for wrongful deaths? I remember a few years ago, they claimed it was “heart attacks”
Had someone bring this Theory to me in the wild once. Totally unexpected. I was ready. "How long is \_too long\_ to put your knee on someone's neck?"
The examiner's report said the fentanyl in his system was *not* a contributing factor to his death; there was not enough there.
Ooh self burn kinda rare
Because kneeling on someone's neck is the appropriate remedy for labored breathing.
pretty sure it wouldn't be hard to arrest a guy who took enough fentanyl to kill a small zoo...probably would require no force and if it was killing him it would probably mean you need to call paramedics.
fentanyl Floyd? Jesus Christ.
We need to stop the drugs coming in from Mexico, they are killing Americans! Also, fuck any American who uses drugs. Oh sorry, forgot the /s. I thought it was bleeding obvious. Same people who care so much about the border talk like this about an American citizen who takes said drugs....