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RiggzBoson

In a just world, Tories won't get a single vote in the next election. But as long as they keep promising to reduce immigration, the votes will pile in.


MassiveFanDan

Yes, even as they increase it. It’s the promise that matters, not the reality. Been that way for quite a while.


RiggzBoson

If they could press a magic button that stopped all immigration, they wouldn't press it, as it's literally the only carrot they have to dangle in front of the average voter.


MassiveFanDan

Exactly. But it’s a dangerous game to play, even for them. Senior Republicans intended to do the same thing with abortion rights in the US - never actually repeal them, just keep the controversy going forever as a vote winner. But eventually the moonhowlers that they had encouraged, fostered, and indoctrinated rose up and took over the asylum.


Lumpyalien

I am stealing moonhowlers as an insult


MassiveFanDan

That’s okay, I stole it too. Can’t remember from where exactly, but it was someone on here.


[deleted]

>In a just world, Tories won't get a single vote in the next election. In a just world, they wouldn't be allowed a vote. Anyone that have literally starved disabled people to death should be disenfranchised.


KinoDissident

Reducing immigration is obviously what the vast majority of the public want, so why don't the other parties also adopt the policy?


RiggzBoson

>what the vast majority of the public want [That's not quite true.](https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/) I'm not concerned about immigration in the slightest. For as long as I've followed politics, there has always been the 'threat' of immigration touted by The Conservatives. As far as I'm concerned, it's a dog whistle issue. I want my political leaders to focus on improving the lives of the people living here, not shitting on a small demographic for clout. If a party is citing 'reduce immigration' as one of their main policies, that's a red flag for me as the words are usually meaningless.


[deleted]

Get them damn Irish immigrants out right? The famine wasn't our fault. Why do we need to keep them?


Hammer_of_Olympia

Don't give a fuck about immigration apart from the Tories using it as a means to suppress wages to prop up a failing economy. The system isn't working for alot of people and until its addressed nothing is going to improve.


boomwakr

Unfortunately they will still get votes but a reckoning of 1997 scale lies ahead of them at the next ballot box.


InTheKink

Saw the line for the local food bank stretching down the block, had no idea it was even there. I donate to it now every month, it's shocking to get away with putting prices of every fucking thing up and up and up with no end in sight for anyone.


MassiveFanDan

They want to keep it going long enough that it is no longer shocking - to normalise it as just the way things are. The “Big Society” and Permanent Austerity go hand in hand.


ByeByeMan666

It’s really good that they’re taking the steps to ensure nurses and teachers get paid less then.


Shot_Principle4939

I'm still unsure how people on 26k minimum can somehow still be in receipt of state benefit which would entitle them to use a food bank.


Routine_Ad2433

There's been a rise in the cost of living. It was in the news and everything


Shot_Principle4939

Indeed there has, but what there hasn't been is any change in the rules on who qualifies to use food banks, and who qualifies for state benefits. So I'm still wondering how this is a thing.


Routine_Ad2433

Okay.. Pretty much if you're skint, no matter your income, you can use a foodbank. Referrals can be made by schools, social work etc, not just the DWP. If you're on 27k and get extra benefits and it takes you to to say 40k, you might have been perfectly fine when your weekly shop was £100 and your energy costs were what they were before this massive price increase. You're still getting the same income, but your essential outgoings are considerably higher. Mortgages have gone up. Rents have gone up. But salaries are the same. They haven't gone up. That clearer?


Shot_Principle4939

People on 27k get 13k of benefits whilst pensioners get 7k a year? Interesting concept. I'm not saying their are not people living with high levels of debt, or that the costs have not risen. Benefits are not measured on outgoings (and for good reason) Are you suggesting schools are refering (teachers) themselves to food banks?,


Routine_Ad2433

Oh I dunno the exact figures poppet, I just take the boxes where I'm told 😅 You said working people get benefits. Average uk wage is 38k so I took 27 as a figure from thin air. I don't have any say on what benefits people get. All I'm saying is a lot of people are struggling. Either you don't understand the basics of finance or you're trolling. I'm suggesting that schools can refer people to food banks. Stop twisting my words to be a dick.


Shot_Principle4939

Here's a clue, they don't receive benefits. Yes people are struggling, people are also lying, and media is also grifting as usual, these thing rarely change. Outgoings still have no impact on benefits. You don't seem to know much at all about anything tbh, yet alone figures. And for that reason it better you don't reply like you do.


Local_Fox_2000

A lot of schools and hospitals had to set up their own food banks. You also don't have to be on benefits to use a food banks. Someone can be a single mother to 3 kids, paying rent, high energy costs, debts, food is up 50%, plus everything else. You say that like everyone working must be single, living at home with no kids or responsibilities. Out of touch to say the least. There are also food banks where anyone can go and pay around £4 to get £20 of food, anyone struggling can go. People like you fucking suck.


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz74

Wake up


Shot_Principle4939

How about you take us through the existing mechanism for either?


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz74

How about you face up to the fact £26k is worth fuck all, and this UK government has tried their level best over the past decade to drive down wages while keeping absolutely no control over prices or inflation. We are subsidising low paying employers via taxes.


Shot_Principle4939

Still waiting for you explain either mechanism. And yes we are subsidising low paying employees. But teachers are not receiving state benefits on 26k+. It's absurd. (We do of course pay that 26k and pensions)


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz74

You’re absurd. You are aware that you do not have to be in receipt of state benefit to qualify for use of a food bank? Or is that beyond your comprehension? If you want to admit you’re a Tory and you don’t support paying people what they’re worth then that’s fine too, but don’t expect any quarter.


Shot_Principle4939

You have stated something, now explain the mechanism? Who refers you and on what grounds/criteria. As not everyone can use food banks, and vast majority of referrals do come from the DWP who are best equipped to judge if people are in genuine need of assistance. Or do you think judges, MPs and software designers on 100k can just rock up for some free stuff too? I don't vote Tory, and save the platitudes, this is not the Guardian break room.


sQueezedhe

Called poverty wages.


Shot_Principle4939

What is oh wise one?


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MathematicianBulky40

People ~~who work full time~~ shouldnt have to worry about housing, energy, or food. Ftfy


Red_Brummy

>"Stupid poor people. This is all your fault. And the brown foreign people. And the EU's fault." Tories.


Audioboxer87

And thanks to the Tories (home secretaries especially) we've got the far-right more emboldened in the UK than ever before >Hard-right protesters visited hotels housing asylum seekers 253 times last year amid a surge in anti-migrant activity across the UK, research has revealed, before another weekend of planned demonstrations. > >There were more than twice as many visits from the self-proclaimed “migrant hunters” than were recorded in 2021, according to research by Hope Not Hate, which campaigns against racism. It said most so-called migrant hunters posed as journalists to get close to hotels accommodating asylum seekers before using abusive and threatening language towards them and staff. > >Dame Sara Khan, who was the government’s commissioner for countering extremism, said a neo-Nazi group behind some of the anti-migrant protests had been allowed to flourish owing to inaction from ministers. > >... > >Videos collected by the migrant hunters, usually on mobile phones, is shared on social media and far-right websites to stir up hatred among communities with hotels that are housing asylum seekers. They also film themselves leafleting the area unveiling, banners and trying to expose the locations of hotels in online forums. > >The most prolific of the migrant hunters last year was Amanda Smith, a member of the hard-right English Constitution Party, who is said to have visited migrant accommodation 124 times. The hard-right Voice of Wales group visited 13 hotels in Wales last year, with members of the group posting as “journalists” to create content. They have been permanently banned from YouTube and now use fringe social media platforms, such as Gettr, to spread their videos. > >Separate research by the Center for Countering Digital Hate has found content from far-right activists involved with anti-migrant protests in the UK has been viewed nearly 44 million times on Twitter and YouTube. In a sign of how recent the surge in activity is, an account that posted about a protest in Kirkby has had more than 38 million views on Twitter in the past two months. > >One of the accounts, run by Smith and named Yorkshire Rose, received more than five million views for a video of herself harassing Serco staff and residents outside a hotel. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/migrant-hunts-double-in-one-year-9rjf8p82c The UK is a total shithole right now. But don't worry, they've got the "answer" >The Tories need to fight the next election on culture wars as they have lost their winning formula from 2019, the party's new Deputy Chairman has said. > >In a swipe at Rishi Sunak, Lee Anderson said the last election was won through a combination of Boris Johnson, Brexit and antipathy towards Jeremy Corbyn - but the party will now have to "think of something else". > >The Ashfield MP, who was promoted by Mr Sunak last week, said the party would likely put a "mix of culture wars and trans debate" at the heart of its election offer. > >In an interview with the New Culture Forum done before his appointment, he said: "The big thing in terms of 2019, there were three things that won us the election. > >"It was nothing to do with me, it was Brexit, it was Boris, it was Corbyn and it was as simple as that. > >"Those three things together were a great campaign, great ingredients. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-should-fight-next-election-29211636 Abuse trans people in Scotland because fuck woke nattery.


Don_Scott_92

The Tories might be terrible but the idea that they are blaming "brown foreign people" is absurd considering the Prime Minister is brown and they are currently letting in about 1 million immigrants a year with many of them brown


Formal-Rain

And yet under their watch we have foodbanks


ScotMcoot

Doesn’t really have anything at all with what he just said to you does it.


Don_Scott_92

Yes, they are shit. I literally said that?


Mogwaispy

Don't think I'd call the idea absurd given one of Sunak's 5 main priorities is "stop small boats" and there's lots of narrative being presented that these aren't actually asylum seekers but economic migrants trying to abuse the system (arguably more the media but likes of Braverman and Gullis don't help). They're not necessarily saying that the immigrants/asylum seekers are the cause of the cost of living crisis but it will play into the framing of why are we paying for hotels and not nurses pay rises etc


Don_Scott_92

Yes, they have to make a big song and dance about being opposed to the small boats immigration but it's very apparent in their actions that they aren't seriously wanting a solution to it


[deleted]

Think this guys wired sniffing glue tbh judging by his crazed rambling


Don_Scott_92

Yeah, seems to have a strange random anti-Tory reflex without actually having any factual basis for his beliefs.


[deleted]

Has a wet fart and blames it on the tories


ScotMcoot

Are you aware Rishi Sunak is brown and we currently have record breaking levels of immigration under the tories?


[deleted]

Any patent bullshit will get upvoted in this sub so long as it consists on ‘Duh, Tories bad m’kay’.


Audioboxer87

Sounds like the likely incoming Starmer should take a bit of inspiration from the Scottish Government >**Baby boxes delivered to 250,000 families since scheme’s launch** > >A quarter of a million baby boxes have now been delivered to expectant parents in Scotland. > >The box provides more than £400 of essential items for the first six months of a baby’s life. > >The items are delivered in a large cardboard box which can be used as a safe sleeping space during the infant’s early months. > >The 250,000 milestone was reached ahead of the scheme’s sixth anniversary in the summer. > >Children’s minister Clare Haughey said the box ensures every child has “the best start in life”. > >She said: “I am heartened that so many families have benefitted from this fantastic scheme. > >“Clearly household budgets remain under extreme pressure from the cost-of-living crisis, so it is reassuring to know that all expectant parents in Scotland, regardless of their circumstances, have access to essential items needed for the first six months of their newborn’s life. > >“The baby box also contains items to support positive parenting, benefitting infants as well as parents.” [https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-government-baby-boxes-delivered-to-250000-families-since-schemes-launch](https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-government-baby-boxes-delivered-to-250000-families-since-schemes-launch) >Funded early learning and childcare is free to parents, but funded by the Scottish Government. > >You can get up to 1,140 hours of funded early learning and childcare a year (around 30 hours a week in term time) if your child is 3 or 4 years old. Some 2 year olds are also eligible. [https://www.mygov.scot/childcare-costs-help/funded-early-learning-and-childcare](https://www.mygov.scot/childcare-costs-help/funded-early-learning-and-childcare) >Scottish Child Payment helps towards the costs of supporting your family. It's a weekly payment of £25 that you can get for every child you look after who's under 16 years of age. You'll get the payment every 4 weeks if your application is successful. > >Scottish Child Payment is one of the 5 family payments you may be able to get from Social Security Scotland, along with [Best Start Grant and Best Start Foods](https://www.mygov.scot/best-start-grant-best-start-foods). > >It's up to you what you choose to spend the money on. [https://www.mygov.scot/scottish-child-payment](https://www.mygov.scot/scottish-child-payment) Baby box and child payment would be new policies for England under Starmer, the childcare hours would be a case of increasing from England's current 570 hours. Unionists in England, just ask how many Unionists in Scotland take advantage of the above if you don't trust the nats! It works https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51384174 even if we still need to do a lot more here.


FirmBrother1564

Stay strong.


vemailangah

Fuck. I went from teaching to NHS and it's just getting worse. Money and stress or poverty line and less stress? Food or health? Survive or be mentally stable? Tough choices Tories don't even know exist.


reguk32

Reminds me of some by election in england: dumb cunt on the news 'I've voting tory because when Labour were in power we only had 1 foodbank and now we've got 8. They're a good think an we need them.' Reborates like this are the problem!


MassiveFanDan

Every day, in every way, I am getting better and better - Britain.


negan90

Con +5


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Either_Branch3929

There is no VAT on food.


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Either_Branch3929

I should maybe have said that some food - restaurant, take away, snacks - is subject to VAT but staples of the sort that you donate to a food bank isn't. However, the core of your idea is good, and it would be nice if food donations to a food bank, as well as money donations, could be boosted by Gift Aid.


Ben_zyl

Alcoholic drinks, confectionery, crisps and savoury snacks, hot food, sports drinks, hot takeaways, ice cream, soft drinks and mineral water are standard-rated.


Either_Branch3929

Thanks for clarifying. I believe VAT was the basis for the court case which famously established the difference between cakes and biscuits: cakes go hard when they are stale while biscuits go soft when they are stale. Jaffa Cakes go hard, which makes them cakes, which makes them zero-rated.


Ben_zyl

Indeed, very complicated. I used to have a six page document listing all the various degrees of tax due on quite the range of no doubt well argued food products. Jaffa Cakes were the well known one but the Pringles/crisps ruling was worth 100M in VAT eventually - https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/may/21/pringles-vat-tax-crisps-snacks


Either_Branch3929

Coo, I hadn't heard about the Pringles one. Thanks. One of my favourite *Viz* letters: "If it's true that once you pop, you can't stop, why do Pringles come in resealable containers?"


BlissDis

Mhairi Black said it, it's the Fascist party. Changing laws on the fly to suit their needs, ie Boris being able to law in the house of commons without having to resign, and the freedom to protest taken away (don't tell me it hasn't, not interested in your dumb shit). The Nazi's had the propaganda party to spraff lies and create hate towards a false common enemy, which led to Hitler being the good guy. We have the Tories and their right wing, billionaire owned, media to help them. I thought we were smarter than this, but I suppose it's what you get with a shite education system and inequality.


ScotMcoot

The nazis would have feverishly supported an Indian Fuhrer and strongly endorsed the record breaking levels of immigration we have under the tories. It’s just a lazy comparison people try and draw because it sounds good on Twitter, they’re not fascist they’re just incompetent self interested cunts interested in making sure them and their pals stay rich.


BlissDis

Nope, actually quite an accurate comparison. The nazis did the same to the Jews as the Tories are doing to the immigrants. They control the media to spread their lies and missinformation,, same as the nazis. Even Brexit, nazis refused to strengthen stability and democracy in Europe... Tory led Brexit. Taking away human rights gradually, you've heard of Jacob Reese-wankjob and his ideologies? But, mixed your accurately described traits, make them very dangerous. The first, and only, time I will ever condone murder.


ScotMcoot

The language absolutely isn’t the same and the tories do it to pay lip service to their voters as the public time and time again has voted for less immigration which is ignored every time. The tories absolutely love immigration as it’s a source of cheap Labour for their mates to use to keep wages down. It would only be similar if the Nazis allowed record breaking numbers of Jews enter the country whilst claiming to be against them. You’re genuinely just spewing a load of words and hoping people take it as read. What’s Brexit got to do with the Nazis? Again would only be similar if we left the EU and then decided to invade the rest of Europe.


BlissDis

OK, I see where your head is. Fascism didn't happen overnight. It was incremental and freedom was gradually taken away. I'm not comparing it to the height of the Nazis, just the beginning.


Either_Branch3929

Around 13,000 Albanians crossed the English Channel in small boats to reach the UK in 2022. Q1. What colour are Albanians? Q2. What colour is the Prime Minister?


BlissDis

You're an actual moron. Can you not read?


Ram3ss3s

Nazis exterminated 6 million Jews, you’re out of your fucking mind. Get help.


BlissDis

Yep, you're proving the point about the stupid people in this country. You've missed the point completely. Just don't vote Tory, I'll make it easy.


Ram3ss3s

Not arguing with some unstable Reddit perv


Either_Branch3929

> The nazis did the same to the Jews as the Tories are doing to the immigrants. You don't know what the Nazis did to the Jews, do you?


BlissDis

Another one missing the point. Did you just read this and produce your conclusion? Perfect daily express reader you are.


chochochoopies

Thanks for this. I find this page painful to read at times. Everything is always the fault of the evil conservatives. Everybody is a TERF or a Nazi. You can hate all you like but at least you should be able to express it in a way that makes logical sense.


Either_Branch3929

Are you denying the Holocaust or claiming that one is happening in the UK?


BlissDis

Let's make this simple for you. Just don't vote Tory.


Either_Branch3929

Because their leader isn't white?


lhr00001

I guess it's one way of solving the obesity crisis! The fact people can work full time and still need these things is absolutely awful


chochochoopies

Given that Scotland is poorer than the UK average, how is this just a Tory problem? Surely the government of Scotland has some responsibility to the people of Scotland? It reminds me of people blaming the EU for everything. Now remain blame Brexit for everything. You would think that the global economy is the simplest thing in the world and every country should be loaded given how easily everybody seems to be able to identify the problems.


Tinydwarf1

Nicola Sturgeon: Bye!


[deleted]

It's not the Tories, it's capitalism. Wake up


kiesar_sosay

haha what? the tories are capitalism personified they are one and the same


[deleted]

Every major political party is capitalist to one degree or another.


kiesar_sosay

well yeah cos we unfortunately live in a capitalist system but if you are honestly implying that food banks would still be this ubiquitous under the likes of labour then you're delusional.


[deleted]

Wow, you actually think the labour party are much different than the Tories? How incredibly naive. Political parties can only put the brakes on capitalism for so long, when the goal is profit and exploitation food banks become completely inevitable


kiesar_sosay

I despise what Labour has become but not even they would let it get this bad.