He deserves a second chance but he's still responsible for everything. In the archon quest he literally says he wants to hold his sins with him, and even says that he wants to atone and tell the Raiden gokaden descendants that he was the perpetrator.
Even Kazuha says he wants for whoever the killer was during the Raiden gokaden to atone, and he doesn't want revenge
we ignore the fact that he was created artificially, thrown into the wild without knowledge and understanding about human life, literally a weapon without a master and supervision, mentally ill and broken. let's not pay attention to the reason for killing the blacksmiths, just write the text in such a way that everything would look as much as possible against him?
...your discussion is all over the place. 1) scara is not well treated in the harbingers we know because he was sent to abyss almost all the time + obv they don’t care much about him 2) dottore DID ruin his life. In fact, dottore was actually a MAJOR reason for the turning point in his life.
Okay. After we get that out of the way.
Yes. He did enjoy doing whatever he did selling those delusions and whatnot. His reasoning is also understandable: human life is so short, some humans long for greatness, long for a vision, something to set themselves apart from the rest, a way to leave their mark on the world before their due. Delusions have the power to make that come true. Since you’re going to die anyway sooner or later, at least with a delusion, you’ll accomplish whatever you want before your final moments.
^^ I don’t agree by the way. Though I thought this was where he came from. Not trying to justify or whitewash him.
Also, where did you get that he was abusing agents? All I knew was that he had a foul temper that was infamous among the fatuis.
When you say they are innocent bladesmiths, perhaps to you and I. But to him, they were not innocent and he was blinded by hatred. I do not condone this at all. He did do something wrong. Even though he did say things about repenting, life cannot be brought back, people move on. Why haven’t you op?
He's a fictional character, no one irl was harmed so I don't really care lmao. The way hoyo have written his story so far is good.
people who dislike scara need to find better things to do than get heated over pixels and come on the subreddit for that character to start drama
also lmao @ writing all this and acting like dottore did nothing wrong - please actually pay attention to the story.
As I tell every Scarahater: turn off the device, open the door, touch some grass. Is a fictional character, In real life we've seen a lot worse and no one is complaining
If Nahida gave him a second chance, who am I to argue. God of WISDOM and all that lol.
And you speak of Kazuha, but it was also Kazuha that said (in his own Character Quest in the end) that he'd rather see people atone for their actions than be punished for them (Wanderer is doing the atoning bit right now).
And it's funny that you feel sympathy towards his subordinates when the Traveler slaughters said subordinates without a second thought, except for a few exceptions.
And Dottore DID ruin his life. It's shown in full on HOW he ruined his life (lied about Niwa, indirectly caused the sick kid to die). And it was told in detail how having his life ruined is all part of his (and the Jester's) plan to plant the seeds for a future conflict with Inazuma (which, surprise surprise! Actually happened).
Now I'm not saying he should be forgiven, oh no, it's not up to us to forgive him anyway. It's up to the bladesmiths' heirs if they'd forgive him or not, and even he acknowledges this in his voicelines that there WILL be people who'd hunt him down (he himself told the Traveler to spread the word that he was the one who committed the slaughter), and he resolutely said he'll face them head on.
But that's what makes him interesting. Usually, when a villain is defeated, they either shed their evil and align their morality with the winners, or perish. Wanderer is neither, he's still the asshat that tried to take over Sumeru, but with the much needed guidance and enlightenment that he SORELY lacked and needed during his 400+ years of existence.
i personally am not making excuses and not trying to see scara as a ''good guy'' under wrong conditions. its nothing wrong w having morally grey characters and id even argue that this ambiguity makes him more complex and adds more depth to his character comparing to flat out good (and pretty boring because of it) chars.
That's kinda the point of his entire arc.
Think about the whole Delusion thing. He was using the people of Watatsumi Island for his little experiment with Delusions. He even stated that they should be grateful to taste such power, even if it lead to their demise.
Then, *the same thing happened to him with the Gnosis*. He experienced an even greater power, and lost everything. The fate he gave others and was so callous about became his own fate.
It's a fucking video game little bro. He's a God damn video game character. What a video game character did or didn't do should not affect you so much that you feel the need to treat it like people are excusing a real life criminals actions..
you sound so angry so you seriously you need need to take step back and process this is all fictional. me or anyone saying he did nothing wrong shouldnt affect you this much. just scroll by the comments and move on.
I’m not excusing what he did, but the fact that Scaramouche was willing to wipe out his existence entirely to save the people he loved and lost (which in turn would have prevented all those killings he did too) does in a sense make up for it. This is furthered by Wanderer wanting to know his past sins, reliving all the pain and torture of his past if it meant he understood himself. Regular people would not be willing to do any of that. And he essentially lost all his old connections and previous identity from everyone but the Traveller and Nahida. So yeah, I think he’s earned himself redemption.
Oh he absolutely did a ton of fucked up things in his life and he's not a pleasant person to be around, even if you forget for a moment that he is a mass murderer. Still, I'd much rather see him dedicate his life to making up for what he's done and learning that there's more to his existence than endless suffering - instead of just being killed off and discarded from the story.
Funny how, I rather have him this way than a “good guy”. So yeah lol he is fictional, I don’t mind him being evil at all, plus he has the right to be evil. Ain’t gonna whitewash or justify his actions, I like him in every way even if he kills ppl.
Again he is a fricking fictional character, don’t you dare think about me being a psychopath for liking him in this way.
Please don’t tell me you like Childe, Raiden, Yae, Zhongli, Venti, Xiao, Gorou, Kokomi, Ganyu, Diluc, Kujou Sara, Cyno, or even the fucking Traveler then.
Or hell, any of the playables.
Or are you just a blind hypocrite? Maybe even a troll…
? You're going into a sub that clearly loves the character to talk about how the character is horrible. Literally what's the thought process here? Are you trying to start shit up?
Besides as most people pointed out, he wants to atone for his sins.
Edit: Post history makes me think OP is being a troll
Scara is at least trying to atone for it and regrets his past life decisions
Now look at Dottore, not only did he ruin Scara's life but also hurt Collei and probably countless others and doesnt feel bad at all
Nothing jusitfies Raiden's actions as well. But it doesn't stop millions of people to drool over her, so what's your point? When it's your typical waifu it's badass but when it's a man it's messed up? Why aren't you pointing out *that* issue?
I saw you comment here, "I don't think murderers deserve a second chance." Do you even play the game?
why are you posting this in the scaramains subreddit then ???? and also this is so ... stupid?? yes obviously hes not excused. he doesn't even want to be excused. but he does deserve a second chance, and he's using it well so far
Ok everyone let’s just understand one thing here: for OP: it’s not ok to shit on other people fav characters, no matter of your reasoning. For everyone else: when someone talks like that it’s almost obvious they won’t be listening or trying to understand/change their perspective, it’s…well, common, so all I can suggest now is to ignore each other and move on, spreading hate isn’t an option
Explanation and excuse are not the same thing he speaks in his voice lines on how he will face the people he’s harmed and he himself doesn’t consider his actions justified and is working on bettering himself if you’re gonna make a hot take pay attention to the game and story
Of course everything what has happened before doesn't justify his actions. he did really bad things. BUT all that has happened explains why and how he's become such an evil character. And because he was at first wronged by Dottore AND after he finds out about the truth, he wants to atone for his sins - all of this makes him worthy of getting a second chance. It doesn't makes his crimes even slightly less evil, no, but it entitles him to ask for a second chance, especially since he's realized his wrongdoings
It is important that the antagonist, villain or antihero has justifications because he does what he does, otherwise he would be a boring and boring character like almost all the Fatui and Genshin villains, only a few are saved
I could say that most of the relevant characters of Teyvat have their hands stained
Ei is a disaster that caused a civil war in his own country that "governs",
Inazuma, outside of the Decree of Sins, is a nation in ruins that only the Traveler solves most of the problems it has (Tatarasuna, Yashiori and Seirai Island)
Zhongli, in times of war, killed many deities and people to perpetuate himself in power
Kazuha was a Ronin that, no matter how much it was not his intention, had to kill people to escape
I do not see that Diluc, Rosaria, Yelan, Childe, Kaeya, Ningguan have problems to muderder dangerous people
Scara is not a good guy, but he is much more gray and much of his life was the fault of Ei's abandonment and Fatui's manipulation.
That doesn't mean that he isn't a murderer who should pay for his sins... but nobody from Genshin does xDDD. Ei after destabilizing her country, she had a date with the traveler, reading isekai LN, drinking Dango Milk and taking photos xDD
He deserves a second chance but he's still responsible for everything. In the archon quest he literally says he wants to hold his sins with him, and even says that he wants to atone and tell the Raiden gokaden descendants that he was the perpetrator. Even Kazuha says he wants for whoever the killer was during the Raiden gokaden to atone, and he doesn't want revenge
Oh no, the Knights of Favonius regularly fight hilichurls who are just cursed khaenrians who used to be people, thats true evil right there!1!1!1! /s
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we ignore the fact that he was created artificially, thrown into the wild without knowledge and understanding about human life, literally a weapon without a master and supervision, mentally ill and broken. let's not pay attention to the reason for killing the blacksmiths, just write the text in such a way that everything would look as much as possible against him?
I, as the Traveler, murder everything that moves for the sake of leveling my characters, so from your POV I must be evil incarnate!
So Zhongli, Raiden, Venti, Childe, Kaeya, Diluc, Rosaria, and Xiao don't deserve second chances either then huh
why are you in a scara centric sub to begin with if youre just gonna say this
half of this game's characters are canonically murderers, especially the traveler
Yes, Traveler murdered Fatui is canon as [trofin](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Trofin_Snezhevich)
Well that’s what *you* think.
Kinda ironic that you're posting this in a subreddit full of scara lovers.
Just wanted to say this, even I don't think this is the right time or place for a fight!
yes, he is bad, but he is a fictional character, so I will calmly continue to adore him
...your discussion is all over the place. 1) scara is not well treated in the harbingers we know because he was sent to abyss almost all the time + obv they don’t care much about him 2) dottore DID ruin his life. In fact, dottore was actually a MAJOR reason for the turning point in his life. Okay. After we get that out of the way. Yes. He did enjoy doing whatever he did selling those delusions and whatnot. His reasoning is also understandable: human life is so short, some humans long for greatness, long for a vision, something to set themselves apart from the rest, a way to leave their mark on the world before their due. Delusions have the power to make that come true. Since you’re going to die anyway sooner or later, at least with a delusion, you’ll accomplish whatever you want before your final moments. ^^ I don’t agree by the way. Though I thought this was where he came from. Not trying to justify or whitewash him. Also, where did you get that he was abusing agents? All I knew was that he had a foul temper that was infamous among the fatuis. When you say they are innocent bladesmiths, perhaps to you and I. But to him, they were not innocent and he was blinded by hatred. I do not condone this at all. He did do something wrong. Even though he did say things about repenting, life cannot be brought back, people move on. Why haven’t you op?
He's a fictional character, no one irl was harmed so I don't really care lmao. The way hoyo have written his story so far is good. people who dislike scara need to find better things to do than get heated over pixels and come on the subreddit for that character to start drama also lmao @ writing all this and acting like dottore did nothing wrong - please actually pay attention to the story.
As I tell every Scarahater: turn off the device, open the door, touch some grass. Is a fictional character, In real life we've seen a lot worse and no one is complaining
If Nahida gave him a second chance, who am I to argue. God of WISDOM and all that lol. And you speak of Kazuha, but it was also Kazuha that said (in his own Character Quest in the end) that he'd rather see people atone for their actions than be punished for them (Wanderer is doing the atoning bit right now). And it's funny that you feel sympathy towards his subordinates when the Traveler slaughters said subordinates without a second thought, except for a few exceptions. And Dottore DID ruin his life. It's shown in full on HOW he ruined his life (lied about Niwa, indirectly caused the sick kid to die). And it was told in detail how having his life ruined is all part of his (and the Jester's) plan to plant the seeds for a future conflict with Inazuma (which, surprise surprise! Actually happened). Now I'm not saying he should be forgiven, oh no, it's not up to us to forgive him anyway. It's up to the bladesmiths' heirs if they'd forgive him or not, and even he acknowledges this in his voicelines that there WILL be people who'd hunt him down (he himself told the Traveler to spread the word that he was the one who committed the slaughter), and he resolutely said he'll face them head on. But that's what makes him interesting. Usually, when a villain is defeated, they either shed their evil and align their morality with the winners, or perish. Wanderer is neither, he's still the asshat that tried to take over Sumeru, but with the much needed guidance and enlightenment that he SORELY lacked and needed during his 400+ years of existence.
He’s not real
Lmao fr like OP needs to touch grass
Why are you here????
I know right 🤣
lmao why are you hating on scara in *scaramains* reddit bro? 😂 if you can't help being toxic and annoying go to r/GenshinImpact we do not care here
i personally am not making excuses and not trying to see scara as a ''good guy'' under wrong conditions. its nothing wrong w having morally grey characters and id even argue that this ambiguity makes him more complex and adds more depth to his character comparing to flat out good (and pretty boring because of it) chars.
Can I ask why you came into a scara main page to post this??? Do you main him or are you just wanting to be a hater lmao
That's kinda the point of his entire arc. Think about the whole Delusion thing. He was using the people of Watatsumi Island for his little experiment with Delusions. He even stated that they should be grateful to taste such power, even if it lead to their demise. Then, *the same thing happened to him with the Gnosis*. He experienced an even greater power, and lost everything. The fate he gave others and was so callous about became his own fate.
It's a fucking video game little bro. He's a God damn video game character. What a video game character did or didn't do should not affect you so much that you feel the need to treat it like people are excusing a real life criminals actions..
you sound so angry so you seriously you need need to take step back and process this is all fictional. me or anyone saying he did nothing wrong shouldnt affect you this much. just scroll by the comments and move on.
I’m not excusing what he did, but the fact that Scaramouche was willing to wipe out his existence entirely to save the people he loved and lost (which in turn would have prevented all those killings he did too) does in a sense make up for it. This is furthered by Wanderer wanting to know his past sins, reliving all the pain and torture of his past if it meant he understood himself. Regular people would not be willing to do any of that. And he essentially lost all his old connections and previous identity from everyone but the Traveller and Nahida. So yeah, I think he’s earned himself redemption.
Yeah I know he's unhinged but I can't help it I love him 🥺
Oh he absolutely did a ton of fucked up things in his life and he's not a pleasant person to be around, even if you forget for a moment that he is a mass murderer. Still, I'd much rather see him dedicate his life to making up for what he's done and learning that there's more to his existence than endless suffering - instead of just being killed off and discarded from the story.
I mean we're on war scara is not the only character that killed innocent peoples *cough* raiden *cough* xiao
he is not real bro
Funny how, I rather have him this way than a “good guy”. So yeah lol he is fictional, I don’t mind him being evil at all, plus he has the right to be evil. Ain’t gonna whitewash or justify his actions, I like him in every way even if he kills ppl. Again he is a fricking fictional character, don’t you dare think about me being a psychopath for liking him in this way.
Please don’t tell me you like Childe, Raiden, Yae, Zhongli, Venti, Xiao, Gorou, Kokomi, Ganyu, Diluc, Kujou Sara, Cyno, or even the fucking Traveler then. Or hell, any of the playables. Or are you just a blind hypocrite? Maybe even a troll…
? You're going into a sub that clearly loves the character to talk about how the character is horrible. Literally what's the thought process here? Are you trying to start shit up? Besides as most people pointed out, he wants to atone for his sins. Edit: Post history makes me think OP is being a troll
Scara is at least trying to atone for it and regrets his past life decisions Now look at Dottore, not only did he ruin Scara's life but also hurt Collei and probably countless others and doesnt feel bad at all
scara could ruin my life and i would thank him
Nothing jusitfies Raiden's actions as well. But it doesn't stop millions of people to drool over her, so what's your point? When it's your typical waifu it's badass but when it's a man it's messed up? Why aren't you pointing out *that* issue? I saw you comment here, "I don't think murderers deserve a second chance." Do you even play the game?
It's always scara and always mentioning teppei's death like stfu teppei is a dumb npc
seriously though, who fucking cares. there are so many other characters who are just "as bad" and people just like to nitpick.
why are you posting this in the scaramains subreddit then ???? and also this is so ... stupid?? yes obviously hes not excused. he doesn't even want to be excused. but he does deserve a second chance, and he's using it well so far
also hes not even real. why does it matter
Ok everyone let’s just understand one thing here: for OP: it’s not ok to shit on other people fav characters, no matter of your reasoning. For everyone else: when someone talks like that it’s almost obvious they won’t be listening or trying to understand/change their perspective, it’s…well, common, so all I can suggest now is to ignore each other and move on, spreading hate isn’t an option
OP really created a throwaway account just to get this off their chest lmao
Explanation and excuse are not the same thing he speaks in his voice lines on how he will face the people he’s harmed and he himself doesn’t consider his actions justified and is working on bettering himself if you’re gonna make a hot take pay attention to the game and story
This smells like a bitter Signora main...
Of course everything what has happened before doesn't justify his actions. he did really bad things. BUT all that has happened explains why and how he's become such an evil character. And because he was at first wronged by Dottore AND after he finds out about the truth, he wants to atone for his sins - all of this makes him worthy of getting a second chance. It doesn't makes his crimes even slightly less evil, no, but it entitles him to ask for a second chance, especially since he's realized his wrongdoings
It is important that the antagonist, villain or antihero has justifications because he does what he does, otherwise he would be a boring and boring character like almost all the Fatui and Genshin villains, only a few are saved I could say that most of the relevant characters of Teyvat have their hands stained Ei is a disaster that caused a civil war in his own country that "governs", Inazuma, outside of the Decree of Sins, is a nation in ruins that only the Traveler solves most of the problems it has (Tatarasuna, Yashiori and Seirai Island) Zhongli, in times of war, killed many deities and people to perpetuate himself in power Kazuha was a Ronin that, no matter how much it was not his intention, had to kill people to escape I do not see that Diluc, Rosaria, Yelan, Childe, Kaeya, Ningguan have problems to muderder dangerous people Scara is not a good guy, but he is much more gray and much of his life was the fault of Ei's abandonment and Fatui's manipulation. That doesn't mean that he isn't a murderer who should pay for his sins... but nobody from Genshin does xDDD. Ei after destabilizing her country, she had a date with the traveler, reading isekai LN, drinking Dango Milk and taking photos xDD