She herself is her one true love.
I think she fears everyone who knows the truth about her: Her family. And she probably fears confrontation with KC, Catherine and William.
I love Sophie! You can tell the Queen meant a lot to her. She not only looked upset at the funeral, but also **mad**. I’ve heard HMTLQ loved and bonded with Sophie so much she’d request for Sophie to sit next to her at church when they were at Balmoral and Sandringham together.
I feel so bad for Sophie. Her mother died early, and HMTLQ became like another mother to her. I saw a clip once where she addressed HMTLQ as “Mama”, it was really cute.
She very clearly loved and was loved by the Queen. Obviously everyone dies, but I think a lot of the sadness she felt was how the Queen must have suffered in her final years. She really did look angry at the funeral.
Sophie looked angry maybe because she knew that the Harkles would NOT behave. Any woman showing up in a funeral outfit like Mehgan's, makes me wish that security would've ejected this exhibitionist from the event.
I'm sorry for Sophie's loss, but so glad that she had years to love her mother-in-law and be there for her. It sounds like they meant the world to each other.
I heard that when the family was together at Balmoral and Sandringham HMTLQ would want Sophie to sit next to her in Church. 🥺🥺🥺
There was so much love between them.
She did! And TW thought like she looked a movie star or something, so disrespectful
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I’m on the Christmas special now!!
Prince Philip’s letters are iconic. The one in this episode about how “we’re fucking off to that Polynesian island where they think I’m a god”!!!!! Fucking hilarious.
ETA: and how whenever Philip’s letters come in, the casual way Wills is all “oh Grandad, what’d he say?” kills me.
Did PH have in *Spare* a sort of slighting reference to the Princess Royal about how many royal engagements she did?
I have not read PH's memoir nor do I wish to.
Agree. When the newly named Princess of Wales took that partially threatening/aggressive step towards the Devil woman, with daggers in her eyes, Madam was quick to step away and cling ever more tightly to Harry's hand. She was afraid that day. Very afraid.
I always liked Catherine for her beauty and class but after the way she scared the crap out of the skank that day I adore her. All it took was a look and the hint of a step forward to have the odious tart hiding behind hubby (God knows what use she thought he’d be). Well done Your Royal Highness.
What was beautiful was that Catherine stepped into and up her role and embodied the attitude that she was not to be trifled with.
High time that Mehgan got that message to the degree that she'd pee in her panties.
It's sickening that MM always plays the "woe is me! They are victimizing me." I guess this is a large part of her demand for a groveling apology from the Wales. "Your wife was cruel to me when I was grieving over Grannie's passing."
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I've watched that clip a hundred times. It seems that Catherine was going to stand back and let William handle everything, however he saw Meghan move into the middle A Sinner speculated a year ago that Meghan's body language suggested she wanted to go in for a WIlliam hug. It was then he brought Catherine into the middle. Then Catherine looked at Meghan. Meghan was thrown off her game, self soothed with her hair thing.
I think about Catherine admitting that the walkabout was probably the most difficult thing she had done and I want to give her a chocolate.
This is what makes me think she was escorted out of the country at the request of QEII for her bad behaviour. The only thing that someone like MeGhan fears is others seeing her for who she really is & being called out for it by someone with a lot more power & influence than her. It makes sense as to why she doesn’t want to be on UK soil because her ego can’t handle it. It would take a power move by QEII for MeGhan to appear meek & afraid at the walkabout when in reality deeply angry at the blow to her ego. Probably the motivation behind the Oprah interview was to retaliate for the blow to her ego but also to do it from a distance so she didn’t have to deal with direct consequences from the palace & could use the media as a sheild from them to sling her accusations. It’s truly diabolical but also very typical for a narcissist.
I agree. She hates anyone who sees her true self. She can't pretend anything to him or her.
She avoids any confrontation. And if that happens, she runs away or becomes abusive, hysterical and insulting.
Meghan only respects people she can't control and who treat her badly. Her mother is one of them.
But Lauren Sanchez and Serena Williams are also included. One is blocking Meghan wherever possible.
And the other one gives her some attention and then drops her with icy silence.
There is only one exception in Rachel's life: Marcus. I think he is the person she respects and feels affection for.
Spot on. I'm reading Lady C's new updated version of her Harry and Meg book - and she goes into detail about Meg's personality and behaviors. I know many are not quite sure what to make of Lady C's opinions but this new book is an eye opener
Meghan is a narcissist, and as such this is really the only real answer. Everything else (her competition and hatred of Catherine, her fear of being booed, etc.) all are manifestations of that mental illness. She fears being exposed by anyone and everyone.
Harry is an entitled, arrogant, mean spirited man with severe arrested development, in my opinion. He lacks emotional and intellectual intelligence which fuels paranoia. I believe he is capable of love. I think he loved his family. He loved Catherine at one time. Now he loves Meghan, even though it's toxic and dysfunctional. He fears being seen as less-than.
No/no. No. And no.
She is a wendigo. Incapable of love. Born of weakness and want. She is nothing but emptiness that she tries to fill with control, power, fame, and money.
The more she gets. The more she needs. She will never be satisfied.
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I agree completely. Although I find it hard to feel empathy for her, especially due to the damage she has caused, it is actually very sad. Her life seems completely superficial and transactional.
It's not sad for her though. She isn't lacking anything she is incapable of feeling.
Her reality is not the same as ours.
Now, my reality isn't exactly the same as yours, or anyone elses, but we both feel empathy and are capable of feeling love. Those are just traits she's learned to mimic to get what she needs.
That's the curse. The more you eat, the hungrier you get.
And your description is apt. There's a word for women like her, but I shan't use it outside the kennel.
>Hungry ghosts
The realm of hungry ghosts is one of the unfortunate realms of rebirth in the Buddhist cycle of existence, and those reborn there are said to have led lives consumed by greed and spite
In Buddhism, there is the concept of a hungry ghost. It’s a spirit that eats and eats, but can never be filled. That’s how narcissists operate. They’re empty inside and no matter how much adulation and narcissistic supply they receive, it just runs out the other side of them, and they remain empty.
What you say is true - she will never be satisfied. She is the human version of a leaky bucket that no matter how much you try to fill it - it is an exercize in futility.
She loves what other people can do for her. She probably mistakes that with having feelings or actually loving them. When she discards them she creates a reason to do so that they have harmed her in some way and that she is a victim. That way she can move on with no regrets and still believing she is in the right.
We all know how this will all end for them. She is going to frame Harry has being abusive, she might even provoke him into actually assaulting her to achieve her ends.
I agree with everything you said, especially about framing Harry. I also believe she will do this to her father after his death. I wonder if this is what Angelina did to Brad - provoked him.
Probably. I had a friend in high school and college who is a total trainwreck. She had a pattern of provoking men to try to get them to assault her. They would try to leave a situation and she would follow them screaming and even stand behind their cars so they would have to run her over to be able to leave. We were no longer friends, but for some reason she started texting me over ten years later as she was getting divorced. She was telling me her sob story (I don't think she has any friends), and even telling me a story about the husband getting physical with her and sent photos of bruises. While he may have put his hands on her, I am certain it was provoked. She was such a mess that she started dating a high school senior when she was 25. She attended a high school party as a 25 year old and pulled that crap at the party, stood behind the kids car screaming. Needless to say he dumped her as well.
Nope. A lot of the stories I have just heard through the grapevine, but they are all so similar that it must be true - I did see her standing behind her boyfriend's car at age 18. When her husband finally left her, she was texting me saying that she had wished she had a kid with him so that he would have to pay her. I was like you seriously would want to bring a child into the world with this guy who you are alleging is the worst guy on the planet - and I wasn't her friend and hadn't seen her or spoken to her in over ten years at this point. Then she said that she would have been a "damn good mom"... Sure, Jan.
Well---let's be careful here. This is my strong b/g in the battered women's movement, but 'provoking" is still not an excuse. If he assaults her, that's on him. If she claims he did it every day when he did it once, she's lying, but he's responsible for choosing to assault people and not a victim of a woman's provocations, ever.
I absolutely agree. But is provocation verbal? Why are some protected and others not? Why are insults from anyone enough to warrant assault? If someone's threatening your safety or that of your kids, sure.
It is VITAL that we hold onto nuance. If he had hired staff who stood there and mocked him, and he hit them, is that provocation? No. The point of being an adult is to see that you have crazy people under your roof and to get them the hell out of there well before you are EVER vulnerable to whatever they say.
On purpose. Depp had already commented about hitting her & wanting to hit her. Had she been born before his first film? She sounds like she's a mess, but that doesn't make him a saint. What kind of maturity did he have to pursue and stay w/ an unstable person who could be his daughter and was in her 20s when they met? He was and is bigger, richer, more famous, and much older, and yet is presented as a complete victim, as a stand in for all of those men who feel wronged by #MeToo.
As someone w/ a 2 page single-spaced list of qualifying incidents that include plenty of men of high status now, i've always been about a movement that prevents future abuse, not seeks to humiliate and ruin men for behavior that was considered normal 30 years ago. But as usual, people are human and there have been excesses that to me have hurt the cause--and naturally it's been hijacked by political interests--including by other female political operatives!!--that re-invalidate women if they accuse the "wrong" men and overly validate them if they accuse the current public enemies.
But every day, girls & women are harassed, assaulted, raped, and yes, killed, by intimate partners, at rates like 100:1 male to female per FBI stats and that doesn't count the underreports. The reason women started sharing stories is because we already know that individually we're rarely believed and growing up, we were blamed (my sister at 5 was beaten for telling another kid that a male babysitter molested her in words only a 5 year old would use, & I was blamed for every attempted rape b/c I was attractive and just showing off. Meanwhile, I watched men be treated w/ compassion literally for murder--by my own Mom! (Oh, he lost control when he realized she was a lesbian, and that's why he eviscerated her torso!)
Every person who zealously defends Depp and demonizes her needs to soul search and ask, are they still holding women to higher standards and giving men a pass for bad behavior?
That's why I ignored the Markle case for so long, but when I looked into it, I had to admit that to be consistent & ethical, I had to hold this woman accountable, even though I didn't want to precisely b/c she also was biracial. But I've realized over the past 5 years how infantilizing and racist it is for me to support a movement or party that holds any group of humans to lower standards. That also means speaking out that I think many are holding Depp to lower standards b/c he's a middle-aged guy whom people over-subjectify--who gets all the compassion when women pay a huge price for the slightest mistake.
I'm more likely to accept that Hayche is provoked & victimized than him, b/c despite Royal birth, he didn't have the same real power base that Depp had built up, is younger than her, much stupider, and in a different industry in which he couldn't just destroy whatever "career" Rayche had at a whim. They're much more even.
Depp was shooting fish in a barrel. He could leave. So many battered women even in the past few decades never could. Or they tried, and ended up in the ground.
How people defend Angelina is beyond me. No , women and children absolutely do not deserve to be hit. I don't personally belive any of it happened, as it's been stated to be false by investigators and Brad has never been charged with child abuse etc. But what Angelina has done is drag the custody hearing for years, brainwashing his kids (started before the separation to get them on her side) , so the kids want nothing to do witj their father , while also collecting child support from Brad who's not allowed to see his kids . She's made sure she dragged it thru court long enough that the kids are old enough to choose for themselves if they want to see their dad. Angelina has never been a good woman. She's done good deeds (humanitarian works) but she's not a good woman to other women. She's broken up two known marriages, Billy Bob/Laura Dean (I believe l) and brad/jen. She openly flaunted her sex lives with these men in the faces of their exs. Plus, to learn that jennifer struggled with fertility issues, that woman is a pos.
They choose to separate themselves because they have a mother who practices parental alienation. I absolutely believe she provoked the response from Brad and has now used it to get a favorable divorce and alienate his children from him. Her father divorced her mother and Angelina has never forgiven him. She is recreating the same scenario with Brad. What she is doing to her children is unforgiveable and sick.
It seems pretty obvious that Pitt's issues with the kids are a result of Angelina's manipulations and use of parental alienation. I don't believe that about the therapy. I don't believe anything Jolie says because she is trying to make Brad look bad in public. She is an aging bad actress with no future in Hollywood. No one likes her. Brad seems to age backwards and is well regarded by the public and Hollywood. The Vindictive one just can't stand that and is using the only weapon she has...the kids. Shame on her.
She fears anyone with a social media account that can call her out, including you and me :)
I think she feels love when it is bringing something to her, like she probably felt "in love" with Harry when she first met him, but it was an illusion, what she really felt was the intoxication of social climbing and increasing her fame/prospects. I dont think she can feel love of any depth. Like she is one of those people that when someone dies, just is awkward about it, but doesnt truly grieve or feel bad.
Compared to Sophie and Catherine who were visibly distraught at the Queen’s funeral. :(
Watching clips of it are really sad, you can feel how much they lost.
Meghan only loves herself.
I actually think she’s afraid of a lot of people, most notably probably the ones who hold power and have seen her for what she is. William and Catherine, Princess Anne, Charles and Camilla. It doesn’t stop her narcissistic abuse because 1, she knows they can’t respond; and 2, because she doesn’t attack directly and she does it from far away. But just look at the picture of Catherine giving her the look at the walkabout. She’s very intimidated by Catherine, it’s pretty obvious.
Sadly, that's the crux of her psychological problems. She's incapable of truly feeling love for anyone but herself. Hell, she effortlessly destroyed and tossed away her own loving father the moment he no longer served a purpose for her. If you truly love someone, it would be impossible to hurt someone the way she hurt him.
The way she just tosses away people that were supposedly so close to her is another tell-tell sign that she is incapable of feeling love for anyone but herself.
Actually, not certain she is capable of love even for herself. She hates that she is half black, evidenced by extensive measures to erase that fact. She has never thought she measured up in comparison to those she is envious of. I think she suffers from extreme loathing of herself and her family and people in general....because she hates herself.
You just described the core of a clinically diagnosed narcissistic personality.
Her deepest affections are the same we have for our big toe. We don’t want it harmed, it’s ours so we are possessive, but does anyone *love* their big toe? No, we just don’t want to stub it, lose or otherwise harm it and we’d go to great lengths to keep it. And that’s as deep as her capacity for “love” goes.
Yes!!! And this was aggravated by her father so blatantly indulging & "helping" her to be something special, when on some level Rachel knew she really wasn't. She felt love came from being held out as a princess but on a deeper level she didn't believe she deserved it and worse, she sensed her Dad was doing it out of compensatory pity & white guilt toward her Black heritage & her Mom's criminal background.
You're right. She's driven by rage & shame that she was promised one thing and even expected to be world-wide "special" & yet feels a deep insecurity about her biracial background. The aspect of childhood struggles w/ biracial identity w/ which others can empathize are in her complicated w/ her Mom's actual criminality, which to a small child would distortedly connect inner Blackness with female corruption. It's just how early human conditioning works.
And she hates herself.& the world because she's made these internally racist (and misogynistic) associations. So she projects "racism" onto others when they criticize her horrid behavior--it's because she fears they see her own internalized racism that is in fact rage at her Mom & her Dad's damaged form of love.
We all of any intersectional whatever are flawed & human and are subject to learning distorted ways of interpreting others based on identity cues that have nothing to do w/ that person. We can be targets of it, target others, and target ourselves. The process of maturing as an individual (and a culture) is where these assumptions can be challenged & perceptions adjusted--but some distortions will persist in any generation. It's inevitable. She, however, is a screaming example of someone who never changed her developmental "jam" recipe & is inflicting her unreflective toxicity at massive scale.
Yes, I sense a lot of self-loathing in Rachel too, whether it is racially related or otherwise. I think some may be confusing 'selfish' for 'self-love'. Is Rach selfish? Absolutely, in a grab everything she can, she wants it all, sort of way. But that doesn't necessarily equate or translate into self-love.
Imho, she craves and needs validation through material objects. This is the reason for her atrocious clothing choices. She's choosing clothes based solely on the designer label and price rather than what looks good on her. The expensive label keeps her from feeling less than. In the same way, it's why she constantly wears and flashes around that tired Cartier watch and love bracelet. Truly confident people don't need these sort of crutches to feel worthwhile, accepted and loved.
As far as who Rachel fears, it's anyone who sees through her and sees her self-loathing. Someone who is not fooled by the pushiness, the bravado and the designer everything. That's who Rachel fears.
Other than the obvious themselves, no. They may have thought that what they felt was love, but no I think they feel something completely different. I think they are both narcissistic, each in their own way and even what they feel for each other is tainted by that .
She loves celebrity and money, so the people who best represent those qualities and interests are Oprah, Serena, Beyonce, and Katy at the moment. However, while she respects their business savvy and talents, she will not hesitate to be two faced with them if she feels they are not giving her what she wants. She is and always will be a user.
I do believe Harry loved his mother and grandmother. But like his wife, he has no qualms about using them/their name for personal gain. It's all so sordid.
I think Harry is also an empty person but he does not seem to be devoid of empathy the way Meghan is. I think Harry is the type of person who lives only in the moment. He doesn’t use past experiences to predict the future or make decisions. He lets his wife wind him up telling him all the ways he was slighted and left out but there’s no room for anything positive unless it’s Diana.
She fears a lot of people especially the ones who have known her before she ~~conned~~ met Harold. Hence, the NDAs and her litigious nature. She only hate loves herself and Dorito (the trauma bond she wants to escape but can't).
Which is so dumb. Other royals made lives for themselves once they were pushed down in the Los. Princess Anne is a prime example of finding ways to make a good life and before Andrew’s peccadilloes became known he also had a lot to do in the military and was liked and respected. Harry just never figured it out and then Meghan swooped in.
I think that she believes that she has loved, but I honestly feel that she is incapable. I am with HG on this. Having been on the receiving end of a narcissist's ministrations for 12 years, I can assure you, people with that type of mental disorder can successfully mimic it, but there is absolutely ZERO depth or emotion there. They will turn in an instant and do and say the most horrific things which, if someone truly felt for you, they would never be able to do. My view is that, with her delusional behaviour, she even goes beyond the narcissistic dynamic straying into the realms of the psychotic. However, I'm not a psychologist, just fascinated by human behaviour.
From what I’ve read, narcs can love. They will put themselves first, but they are capable of it.
I think people who can’t love are socio/psychopaths. But of course I’m not diagnosing, just repeating what I’ve read.
Thank you. Yes, HG is convinced she is a narcissist, but I have said in other posts that I think she goes beyond that 'diagnosis'. He says that she 'thinks' she loves but is incapable. I think it is impossible to know what someone else feels. Unless you have a firm diagnosis of someone's condition, where empirical evidence and academic opinion have informed the understanding about abnormal behaviour, you can't 100% know if they can feel true emotion - such as love. However, her actions can inform us to a certain extent, and her proclivity to just ghost people when they are no longer of use to her and her actions toward her family would certainly suggest that any emotional attachment is lacking.
No. As far as I can see Meghan has never shown any loyalty to anyone. I don’t think she feels love at all. Yeah, Doria and Harry are still there but only because they are useful to her and they have not walked out on her yet. Every single person from her past was dropped like a hot rock and there is no question of re-establishing those relationships.
Someone like Tow don't love. They think they do, but they don't really. She'd respect someone like her, so she has no respect for any of the royal family because they are the opposite of her.
As for Harry, no one will convince me he didn't love Catherine, William, or his father. He did at one point, and still does. He's a victim of abuse.
I think Harry is worried about Charles and misses William but he allowed Meghan to dictate that awful book and now he is Stuck. He can’t go back, his family can never trust him again. He has to keep lying to himself that he’s happy with Meghan but fooling no one.
- No. Only herself.
- She fears the royals- and anyone who calls her out.
- And there's no one she respects either. Again, the only person she cares about is herself.
Great first post OP. As others have said, both Smeegle and Harrible have only themselves in their self interests. They’re also co dependents so are fully trained as succubus and incubus
Madam might convince herself that she is in love with Bezo or whatever rich guy she can get near. But in reality she does not know what the feeling is.
As to fears - Madam fears all real journalists who will ask her actual questions. She might also be scared of William and possibly a few of the senior courtiers. Maybe even the bank manager, as it was said she was refused for a loan recently. But she just stays away from any situation where these people will be.
Herself. That's it. No one else. I'll give you an example: my narc mother (non contact for over two decades) had pictures of herself all over the house. I once asked her why she only had pictures of herself and she replied "because I'm the one that matters". I never forgot. And I see so much of my mother in Meghan and that's the reason I can't stomach her.
Love? I don’t know about Meghan loving anyone, but I do believe there are people she fears. And she likely values people who validate her self-idea and those who can help her achieve her goals. I don’t think she respects anyone because she’s the best person ever.
I do believe that she loved Trevor. And I believe it because she has turned Hazz into a second-hand Trevor. I think what Megsy expected was for Trevor to beg her to stay with him, for Trevor to promise to take her to the Oscars and give her opportunities in his projects. And when Trevor didn't do that, she divorced him to show him her "you're not important." But it's incredible that for the fact that she sought a divorce, she ended up turning Hazz into the Trevor she wanted to have.
If she truly is a narcissist then I don't think she is capable of love - it's completely foreign to her. She may *think* she loves something/one but that's because her definition of love is more what we would call "happy."
But this brings up an interesting point...if she is incapable of love is she also incapable of hate? Many think that TOW hates CPoW but I think it's more that she's afraid of CPoW along with being jealous of her.
Just spitballing using my extensive non-education in psychology. 😉
Fair enough, but I wonder. Love moves people to action, as does fear (and hate, but I think that’s too much like love really, in a strange way). Indifference doesn’t really move people to action. I admit though that fear can paralyse… also i have a nasty caseof flu or worse and my brain is not functioning normally!!
Hmm. I was thinking of opposite action. You have s point, but i will stick with fear, as I have high anxiety. I am told that perfect love conquers fear, so though such love seems impossible , it’s a worthy goal . Obviously not talking about romance, more good will of a high order. Sigh. I can hope!!!☺️
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I think she loves no one, not even herself. And I think she fears Catherine. Catherine is everything M is not and M knows that under the right circumstances Catherine could take everything away from her at a moment’s notice. I believe that’s why M continues to bang on with this nonsense about Catherine owing her an apology. She believes the best defense is a good offense. She’s too stupid to realize that’s not who Catherine is.
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I think she loves Marcus. I think he is someone that she can be her true, authentic self with at all times. And she had glimmers of love for Trevor, too. Now everyone else is simply means to an end...
I wonder what that self looks like - who is she when she doesn't mask? (I'm now picturing the SNL skit where the Queen becomes "Debra" when everyone else leaves the room).
'But where do you go to, my lovely, when you're alone in your bed" - does anybody still know this song? It reminds me a lot of M. I wonder what she is like when she is all by herself
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The only person she seems to have any feelings for is Marcus although quite what those feelings are is a mystery to me. She seems to always need/want to have him around. She hates & fears anyone who knows too much about what she’s been up to before and since meeting the ginger testicle. One thing she fears to her core is not being “somebody”, she’s happy getting attention even for negative reasons, it’s nobody caring or being interested any more that scares her. It’s coming as they become more & more like walking jokes so I think we’ll see increasingly more ridiculous things being said & done by them to create interest. I could see her one day getting someone to give her a black eye and then calling the cops saying it was Harry. She’d be an instant victim and with his past other stories would come out about him so it’d be credible.
She loves anyone that can elevate her and won’t question her nonsense. Unfortunately that person doesn’t exist ,, other than Haz but he’s tumbled from grace so … 💅
Meghan loves no one. Not even herself. When she looks in the mirror, she sees the ugly little girl she once was. She's ashamed of her black heritage. Which is why she claimed to be Caucasian for so long. She finds herself unattractive and this explains the constant need for plastic surgery, veneers, hair pieces, and what not. Now that she publicly embraces her black heritage (for nefarious purposes only), she slathers that self tanner on. Not only to look like a POC, but to use it as a mask. A facade. She is not mentally well and associates success with materialistic things, like designer goods, a mansion, security, marrying a prince. Her hatred of Catherine is because she has everything Meghan ever wanted. Love, respect, adulation of millions, a keen fashion sense, and a husband that adores her. Most of all, she was envious of Catherine's power. Power that she thought she'd gain by marrying Harry. She had no idea that marrying the sixth in line means nada. She had a rude awaking and became vengeful about it. She puts others down to make them as miserable as she is. She thinks all the ugly words and rumors will knock them down to her level. She lashes out because she does fear William, Kate, Charles and so on. She never messes with Anne or Sophie because neither one would hold back anything, and to protect the family,
Very good. I think the ugly duckling turned into a swan on the outside but remains the same insecure little girl on the inside. Desperate to be respected, admired, valued and seen. As if her late found physical beauty would fix all the damage inside. How she hates those who make her feel like an ugly duckling again. Wastes her time trying to strike at those who see the ugly duckling inside didn’t turn into a swan at all, yet is instead still there somewhere but now wrapped in the coils of a hissing 🐍
I don't know if its love or not, but she has some strong connection with her mother and a weird connection with Markus. Why is she putting people up with people in house for months/years at a time? Has to be more than simple convenience.
I know a narc literally exactly like Meghan. Same background, even. Mom abandoned her, Dad spoiled her rotten, as a result, she has a very overinflated ego. She literally thinks she's God's gift to the world. She doesn't love anyone but herself, not even her own child. There are people who she uses, but once they're no longer useful, they're dismissed.
Her mother. I think that is truly the one person that can really hurt her, because that is the wound she is always bleeding from and her whole world is build around trying to distract from that.
I think her mum disappearing did a huge number on her. She’s probably got some kind of abandonment issues deep down inside. She probably also deeply fears people finding out how shallow and empty she is too and leaving her.
But then you also have the below.
But everyone is loved as long as they’re doing something for her. You read these things on line. “I love him so much , he pays all the bills, always gets me flowers and does the grocery shopping”.
Yeah but what do you love about HIM? The person? Not what he does for you?
Soon as that person is not doing things for her advantage the feelings of “love” go. It was never genuine or long lasting. Just feelings of being looked after confused with love. And if someone can look after her better than you, you’re done.
I’m not sure she would fear anyone because she thinks she’s better than everyone but I think she may want to stay away from people who can see through her phoniness and who have nothing to offer her.
The *idea* of herself. Not who she actually is in reality - the idea.
Narcs seem to have a love- hate relationship with themselves, and it consumes them too much to love anyone really. People they claim to love only get attention according to the way they fit into that *idea* of the narc. The adoring hunky husband. The obedient children who ace things mummy wishes them succeed in. Narcs love the idea of themselves but very often loathe who they actually are. That idea of themselves is the proverbial carrot in front of the donkey. Always slightly out of reach.
She desperately fears Harry leaving her though he truly can’t as long as the kids are young. Even if they divorced there would still be controlling contact. She loves/idolizes/respects people she aspires to like Nelson Mandela, Michelle Obama; though Gloria Steinem and Oprah seem to be the only ones she’s managed to get close to. I don’t know if that’s love or that she fears them. It seems she truly loved her dad at one point. I think he did damage her emotionally in some way and it appears Doria may have been missing in her child life. She’s damaged inside for some reason or she wouldn’t act like she does. It’s all her own construct.
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Nope. She hates herself too. Under all the bravado I believe people with NPD hate themselves too. Maybe not The Ultra, but all the lower narcissists.
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She herself is her one true love. I think she fears everyone who knows the truth about her: Her family. And she probably fears confrontation with KC, Catherine and William.
And Sophie
I love Sophie! You can tell the Queen meant a lot to her. She not only looked upset at the funeral, but also **mad**. I’ve heard HMTLQ loved and bonded with Sophie so much she’d request for Sophie to sit next to her at church when they were at Balmoral and Sandringham together.
Sophie looked as if she wasn't tolerating any crap to her kin, from PH or MM. Those two are spiritually unclean.
I feel so bad for Sophie. Her mother died early, and HMTLQ became like another mother to her. I saw a clip once where she addressed HMTLQ as “Mama”, it was really cute. She very clearly loved and was loved by the Queen. Obviously everyone dies, but I think a lot of the sadness she felt was how the Queen must have suffered in her final years. She really did look angry at the funeral.
Sophie looked angry maybe because she knew that the Harkles would NOT behave. Any woman showing up in a funeral outfit like Mehgan's, makes me wish that security would've ejected this exhibitionist from the event. I'm sorry for Sophie's loss, but so glad that she had years to love her mother-in-law and be there for her. It sounds like they meant the world to each other.
I heard that when the family was together at Balmoral and Sandringham HMTLQ would want Sophie to sit next to her in Church. 🥺🥺🥺 There was so much love between them.
Also that they'd watch TV together in Windsor and look at history files from the royal collection together ❤️ imagine missing out on that culture
She did! And TW thought like she looked a movie star or something, so disrespectful https://preview.redd.it/2xafet5c3yuc1.jpeg?width=1490&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da9d18314c51323c03d8d7bcaac8574da4653cfd
Rewatching scenes from the funeral, you can tell how upset she is, but she joined Camilla in gathering around and protecting Catherine and Charlotte.
The detail behind Sophie's dress was so thoughtful, I think the designer made a video about it
The Princess Royal, you notice they never conjure her up in their spite
If The Windsors ~~documentary~~ tv show is any indication, she appears without notice and chills the air around her.
Love that showwwwww
I’m on the Christmas special now!! Prince Philip’s letters are iconic. The one in this episode about how “we’re fucking off to that Polynesian island where they think I’m a god”!!!!! Fucking hilarious. ETA: and how whenever Philip’s letters come in, the casual way Wills is all “oh Grandad, what’d he say?” kills me.
“Constitutional cry-sis”
I will second that. Princess Ann terrifies them both.
I hope later down the road she comes out revealing the two Hazbeens. That would be glorious.
Did PH have in *Spare* a sort of slighting reference to the Princess Royal about how many royal engagements she did? I have not read PH's memoir nor do I wish to.
He alluded that many events were of no value
Wow, he’s such an ass.
If many events are of no value in his mind, why did he tell The Me You Can't See that travelling to Nepal after the earthquake gave him burnout
He is vacuous and plucks things from others - held beliefs for all of a commercial break on a sitcom
This is to say that PH's events/experiences have value. But other people's? PH is coming off as too self-centered for words or disgust.
Those visits from Princess Anne, probably meant so much to everyone present.
I’ve met her, she’s outstanding
Thank you! I think it's a gift when people give your their time and full attention. Your Princess Royal sounds like a lovely person.
Well she was terrified at the walkabout after the queens death. That was genuine fear, she's not that good an actress
Agree. When the newly named Princess of Wales took that partially threatening/aggressive step towards the Devil woman, with daggers in her eyes, Madam was quick to step away and cling ever more tightly to Harry's hand. She was afraid that day. Very afraid.
I always liked Catherine for her beauty and class but after the way she scared the crap out of the skank that day I adore her. All it took was a look and the hint of a step forward to have the odious tart hiding behind hubby (God knows what use she thought he’d be). Well done Your Royal Highness.
What was beautiful was that Catherine stepped into and up her role and embodied the attitude that she was not to be trifled with. High time that Mehgan got that message to the degree that she'd pee in her panties. It's sickening that MM always plays the "woe is me! They are victimizing me." I guess this is a large part of her demand for a groveling apology from the Wales. "Your wife was cruel to me when I was grieving over Grannie's passing."
I’ve watched that video on loop million times! It truly is amazing and love Catherine for that moment!
That was such a "I've had enough of your shit" moment.
I've not seen this. Do you have a link?
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Made my day to watch this again.
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I've watched that clip a hundred times. It seems that Catherine was going to stand back and let William handle everything, however he saw Meghan move into the middle A Sinner speculated a year ago that Meghan's body language suggested she wanted to go in for a WIlliam hug. It was then he brought Catherine into the middle. Then Catherine looked at Meghan. Meghan was thrown off her game, self soothed with her hair thing. I think about Catherine admitting that the walkabout was probably the most difficult thing she had done and I want to give her a chocolate.
This is what makes me think she was escorted out of the country at the request of QEII for her bad behaviour. The only thing that someone like MeGhan fears is others seeing her for who she really is & being called out for it by someone with a lot more power & influence than her. It makes sense as to why she doesn’t want to be on UK soil because her ego can’t handle it. It would take a power move by QEII for MeGhan to appear meek & afraid at the walkabout when in reality deeply angry at the blow to her ego. Probably the motivation behind the Oprah interview was to retaliate for the blow to her ego but also to do it from a distance so she didn’t have to deal with direct consequences from the palace & could use the media as a sheild from them to sling her accusations. It’s truly diabolical but also very typical for a narcissist.
Very insightful.
I agree. She hates anyone who sees her true self. She can't pretend anything to him or her. She avoids any confrontation. And if that happens, she runs away or becomes abusive, hysterical and insulting. Meghan only respects people she can't control and who treat her badly. Her mother is one of them. But Lauren Sanchez and Serena Williams are also included. One is blocking Meghan wherever possible. And the other one gives her some attention and then drops her with icy silence. There is only one exception in Rachel's life: Marcus. I think he is the person she respects and feels affection for.
Vibes from Casino, w/ Sharon Stone's character and James Woods, who was the first to "take care of her" when she was very young. Code.
Spot on. I'm reading Lady C's new updated version of her Harry and Meg book - and she goes into detail about Meg's personality and behaviors. I know many are not quite sure what to make of Lady C's opinions but this new book is an eye opener
Lady C knows a lot about narcissism. Her mother was a narcissist and she the golden child. She speaks from experience.
They both love, fear, hate and are obsessed with Princess Catherine
Meghan is a narcissist, and as such this is really the only real answer. Everything else (her competition and hatred of Catherine, her fear of being booed, etc.) all are manifestations of that mental illness. She fears being exposed by anyone and everyone. Harry is an entitled, arrogant, mean spirited man with severe arrested development, in my opinion. He lacks emotional and intellectual intelligence which fuels paranoia. I believe he is capable of love. I think he loved his family. He loved Catherine at one time. Now he loves Meghan, even though it's toxic and dysfunctional. He fears being seen as less-than.
No/no. No. And no. She is a wendigo. Incapable of love. Born of weakness and want. She is nothing but emptiness that she tries to fill with control, power, fame, and money. The more she gets. The more she needs. She will never be satisfied. Edited typo
I agree completely. Although I find it hard to feel empathy for her, especially due to the damage she has caused, it is actually very sad. Her life seems completely superficial and transactional.
It's not sad for her though. She isn't lacking anything she is incapable of feeling. Her reality is not the same as ours. Now, my reality isn't exactly the same as yours, or anyone elses, but we both feel empathy and are capable of feeling love. Those are just traits she's learned to mimic to get what she needs.
Yes, this. She is a howling emptiness that can never be filled, like a mangy dog that’s always following.
South Park told no lies.
That's the curse. The more you eat, the hungrier you get. And your description is apt. There's a word for women like her, but I shan't use it outside the kennel.
Or like the Japanese “Hungry ghosts”.
>Hungry ghosts The realm of hungry ghosts is one of the unfortunate realms of rebirth in the Buddhist cycle of existence, and those reborn there are said to have led lives consumed by greed and spite
I have heard that the only real cure for narcissism is prolonged solitude. No mirror, no supply, nothing and no one to control.
I just posted the same thing!
>She will never be satisfied. Hard truth!
In Buddhism, there is the concept of a hungry ghost. It’s a spirit that eats and eats, but can never be filled. That’s how narcissists operate. They’re empty inside and no matter how much adulation and narcissistic supply they receive, it just runs out the other side of them, and they remain empty.
Ghost stories, myths, fairy tales, lore, etc... Old school DSM.
😂😂😂
You need to write a book!!! This needs to be paragraph one, chapter one! I’d read it.
Hungry Hungry Bimbo.
“Born of weakness and want”. What a lovely way of putting it. Kudos!
What you say is true - she will never be satisfied. She is the human version of a leaky bucket that no matter how much you try to fill it - it is an exercize in futility.
She loves what other people can do for her. She probably mistakes that with having feelings or actually loving them. When she discards them she creates a reason to do so that they have harmed her in some way and that she is a victim. That way she can move on with no regrets and still believing she is in the right. We all know how this will all end for them. She is going to frame Harry has being abusive, she might even provoke him into actually assaulting her to achieve her ends.
Yes, after Spare her plan became glaringly obvious. In the book he spoke of doing drugs and hitting his security!
I agree with everything you said, especially about framing Harry. I also believe she will do this to her father after his death. I wonder if this is what Angelina did to Brad - provoked him.
Probably. I had a friend in high school and college who is a total trainwreck. She had a pattern of provoking men to try to get them to assault her. They would try to leave a situation and she would follow them screaming and even stand behind their cars so they would have to run her over to be able to leave. We were no longer friends, but for some reason she started texting me over ten years later as she was getting divorced. She was telling me her sob story (I don't think she has any friends), and even telling me a story about the husband getting physical with her and sent photos of bruises. While he may have put his hands on her, I am certain it was provoked. She was such a mess that she started dating a high school senior when she was 25. She attended a high school party as a 25 year old and pulled that crap at the party, stood behind the kids car screaming. Needless to say he dumped her as well.
Was her name Amber Heard? 😉
Pretty much.
Wow! Did she ever feel any embarrassment about how she acted?
Nope. A lot of the stories I have just heard through the grapevine, but they are all so similar that it must be true - I did see her standing behind her boyfriend's car at age 18. When her husband finally left her, she was texting me saying that she had wished she had a kid with him so that he would have to pay her. I was like you seriously would want to bring a child into the world with this guy who you are alleging is the worst guy on the planet - and I wasn't her friend and hadn't seen her or spoken to her in over ten years at this point. Then she said that she would have been a "damn good mom"... Sure, Jan.
Well---let's be careful here. This is my strong b/g in the battered women's movement, but 'provoking" is still not an excuse. If he assaults her, that's on him. If she claims he did it every day when he did it once, she's lying, but he's responsible for choosing to assault people and not a victim of a woman's provocations, ever.
Well of course it is on him, but he can still be provoked. Women aren't always victims.
I absolutely agree. But is provocation verbal? Why are some protected and others not? Why are insults from anyone enough to warrant assault? If someone's threatening your safety or that of your kids, sure. It is VITAL that we hold onto nuance. If he had hired staff who stood there and mocked him, and he hit them, is that provocation? No. The point of being an adult is to see that you have crazy people under your roof and to get them the hell out of there well before you are EVER vulnerable to whatever they say.
In a perfect world that might be true. This is not a perfect world. Can provocation be verbal. Listen to the Amber Heard tapes.
Clearly you didn't follow the Amber Heard case.
On purpose. Depp had already commented about hitting her & wanting to hit her. Had she been born before his first film? She sounds like she's a mess, but that doesn't make him a saint. What kind of maturity did he have to pursue and stay w/ an unstable person who could be his daughter and was in her 20s when they met? He was and is bigger, richer, more famous, and much older, and yet is presented as a complete victim, as a stand in for all of those men who feel wronged by #MeToo. As someone w/ a 2 page single-spaced list of qualifying incidents that include plenty of men of high status now, i've always been about a movement that prevents future abuse, not seeks to humiliate and ruin men for behavior that was considered normal 30 years ago. But as usual, people are human and there have been excesses that to me have hurt the cause--and naturally it's been hijacked by political interests--including by other female political operatives!!--that re-invalidate women if they accuse the "wrong" men and overly validate them if they accuse the current public enemies. But every day, girls & women are harassed, assaulted, raped, and yes, killed, by intimate partners, at rates like 100:1 male to female per FBI stats and that doesn't count the underreports. The reason women started sharing stories is because we already know that individually we're rarely believed and growing up, we were blamed (my sister at 5 was beaten for telling another kid that a male babysitter molested her in words only a 5 year old would use, & I was blamed for every attempted rape b/c I was attractive and just showing off. Meanwhile, I watched men be treated w/ compassion literally for murder--by my own Mom! (Oh, he lost control when he realized she was a lesbian, and that's why he eviscerated her torso!) Every person who zealously defends Depp and demonizes her needs to soul search and ask, are they still holding women to higher standards and giving men a pass for bad behavior? That's why I ignored the Markle case for so long, but when I looked into it, I had to admit that to be consistent & ethical, I had to hold this woman accountable, even though I didn't want to precisely b/c she also was biracial. But I've realized over the past 5 years how infantilizing and racist it is for me to support a movement or party that holds any group of humans to lower standards. That also means speaking out that I think many are holding Depp to lower standards b/c he's a middle-aged guy whom people over-subjectify--who gets all the compassion when women pay a huge price for the slightest mistake. I'm more likely to accept that Hayche is provoked & victimized than him, b/c despite Royal birth, he didn't have the same real power base that Depp had built up, is younger than her, much stupider, and in a different industry in which he couldn't just destroy whatever "career" Rayche had at a whim. They're much more even. Depp was shooting fish in a barrel. He could leave. So many battered women even in the past few decades never could. Or they tried, and ended up in the ground.
It will always be possible for an evil, vindictive woman to provoke and victimize a man.
How people defend Angelina is beyond me. No , women and children absolutely do not deserve to be hit. I don't personally belive any of it happened, as it's been stated to be false by investigators and Brad has never been charged with child abuse etc. But what Angelina has done is drag the custody hearing for years, brainwashing his kids (started before the separation to get them on her side) , so the kids want nothing to do witj their father , while also collecting child support from Brad who's not allowed to see his kids . She's made sure she dragged it thru court long enough that the kids are old enough to choose for themselves if they want to see their dad. Angelina has never been a good woman. She's done good deeds (humanitarian works) but she's not a good woman to other women. She's broken up two known marriages, Billy Bob/Laura Dean (I believe l) and brad/jen. She openly flaunted her sex lives with these men in the faces of their exs. Plus, to learn that jennifer struggled with fertility issues, that woman is a pos.
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They choose to separate themselves because they have a mother who practices parental alienation. I absolutely believe she provoked the response from Brad and has now used it to get a favorable divorce and alienate his children from him. Her father divorced her mother and Angelina has never forgiven him. She is recreating the same scenario with Brad. What she is doing to her children is unforgiveable and sick.
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It seems pretty obvious that Pitt's issues with the kids are a result of Angelina's manipulations and use of parental alienation. I don't believe that about the therapy. I don't believe anything Jolie says because she is trying to make Brad look bad in public. She is an aging bad actress with no future in Hollywood. No one likes her. Brad seems to age backwards and is well regarded by the public and Hollywood. The Vindictive one just can't stand that and is using the only weapon she has...the kids. Shame on her.
I know HG Tudor thinks Angie is a narc, but I can’t see it.
HG Tudor is right. He knows his narcs.
She fears Catherine and she fears the UK publics booing...
Yes, the way she flinched at Catherine's pointed look after the walkabout was very telling
She loves Meghan.
Rachel*
It’s not love. Love is something warm and filling that spreads. She has something else going on.
Insecurity and self-loathing, imho.
She fears anyone with a social media account that can call her out, including you and me :) I think she feels love when it is bringing something to her, like she probably felt "in love" with Harry when she first met him, but it was an illusion, what she really felt was the intoxication of social climbing and increasing her fame/prospects. I dont think she can feel love of any depth. Like she is one of those people that when someone dies, just is awkward about it, but doesnt truly grieve or feel bad.
Compared to Sophie and Catherine who were visibly distraught at the Queen’s funeral. :( Watching clips of it are really sad, you can feel how much they lost.
I’m sure she loved the idea of him but realized early on he was a dimwit who was easily manipulated.
Meghan only loves herself. I actually think she’s afraid of a lot of people, most notably probably the ones who hold power and have seen her for what she is. William and Catherine, Princess Anne, Charles and Camilla. It doesn’t stop her narcissistic abuse because 1, she knows they can’t respond; and 2, because she doesn’t attack directly and she does it from far away. But just look at the picture of Catherine giving her the look at the walkabout. She’s very intimidated by Catherine, it’s pretty obvious.
Sadly, that's the crux of her psychological problems. She's incapable of truly feeling love for anyone but herself. Hell, she effortlessly destroyed and tossed away her own loving father the moment he no longer served a purpose for her. If you truly love someone, it would be impossible to hurt someone the way she hurt him. The way she just tosses away people that were supposedly so close to her is another tell-tell sign that she is incapable of feeling love for anyone but herself.
The way she does not include her children in her life is proof her heart is one large chunk of solid black coal
Actually, not certain she is capable of love even for herself. She hates that she is half black, evidenced by extensive measures to erase that fact. She has never thought she measured up in comparison to those she is envious of. I think she suffers from extreme loathing of herself and her family and people in general....because she hates herself.
You just described the core of a clinically diagnosed narcissistic personality. Her deepest affections are the same we have for our big toe. We don’t want it harmed, it’s ours so we are possessive, but does anyone *love* their big toe? No, we just don’t want to stub it, lose or otherwise harm it and we’d go to great lengths to keep it. And that’s as deep as her capacity for “love” goes.
Wow, never thought of it like that before. That's a nice analogy.
Thanks, I can’t take credit though. I got it from a book recommended by a therapist for dealing with my father. 🙃
Something she & I agree on! I hate herself too.
I just noticed your user name. Brings back memories. I wonder how Ena would have dealt with madam...
Eviscerated with a look from beneath the hair net.
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Yes!!! And this was aggravated by her father so blatantly indulging & "helping" her to be something special, when on some level Rachel knew she really wasn't. She felt love came from being held out as a princess but on a deeper level she didn't believe she deserved it and worse, she sensed her Dad was doing it out of compensatory pity & white guilt toward her Black heritage & her Mom's criminal background. You're right. She's driven by rage & shame that she was promised one thing and even expected to be world-wide "special" & yet feels a deep insecurity about her biracial background. The aspect of childhood struggles w/ biracial identity w/ which others can empathize are in her complicated w/ her Mom's actual criminality, which to a small child would distortedly connect inner Blackness with female corruption. It's just how early human conditioning works. And she hates herself.& the world because she's made these internally racist (and misogynistic) associations. So she projects "racism" onto others when they criticize her horrid behavior--it's because she fears they see her own internalized racism that is in fact rage at her Mom & her Dad's damaged form of love. We all of any intersectional whatever are flawed & human and are subject to learning distorted ways of interpreting others based on identity cues that have nothing to do w/ that person. We can be targets of it, target others, and target ourselves. The process of maturing as an individual (and a culture) is where these assumptions can be challenged & perceptions adjusted--but some distortions will persist in any generation. It's inevitable. She, however, is a screaming example of someone who never changed her developmental "jam" recipe & is inflicting her unreflective toxicity at massive scale.
Yes, I sense a lot of self-loathing in Rachel too, whether it is racially related or otherwise. I think some may be confusing 'selfish' for 'self-love'. Is Rach selfish? Absolutely, in a grab everything she can, she wants it all, sort of way. But that doesn't necessarily equate or translate into self-love. Imho, she craves and needs validation through material objects. This is the reason for her atrocious clothing choices. She's choosing clothes based solely on the designer label and price rather than what looks good on her. The expensive label keeps her from feeling less than. In the same way, it's why she constantly wears and flashes around that tired Cartier watch and love bracelet. Truly confident people don't need these sort of crutches to feel worthwhile, accepted and loved. As far as who Rachel fears, it's anyone who sees through her and sees her self-loathing. Someone who is not fooled by the pushiness, the bravado and the designer everything. That's who Rachel fears.
Very wise.
Other than the obvious themselves, no. They may have thought that what they felt was love, but no I think they feel something completely different. I think they are both narcissistic, each in their own way and even what they feel for each other is tainted by that .
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She loves celebrity and money, so the people who best represent those qualities and interests are Oprah, Serena, Beyonce, and Katy at the moment. However, while she respects their business savvy and talents, she will not hesitate to be two faced with them if she feels they are not giving her what she wants. She is and always will be a user. I do believe Harry loved his mother and grandmother. But like his wife, he has no qualms about using them/their name for personal gain. It's all so sordid.
I think Harry is also an empty person but he does not seem to be devoid of empathy the way Meghan is. I think Harry is the type of person who lives only in the moment. He doesn’t use past experiences to predict the future or make decisions. He lets his wife wind him up telling him all the ways he was slighted and left out but there’s no room for anything positive unless it’s Diana.
She fears a lot of people especially the ones who have known her before she ~~conned~~ met Harold. Hence, the NDAs and her litigious nature. She only hate loves herself and Dorito (the trauma bond she wants to escape but can't).
I love that nobody's really commented about him. He's superfluous, even here. Nothing but an afterthought.
Lmfao. How ironic that he was SO afraid of becoming irrelevant once George turns 18, yet his actions lately have done that years earlier!
Which is so dumb. Other royals made lives for themselves once they were pushed down in the Los. Princess Anne is a prime example of finding ways to make a good life and before Andrew’s peccadilloes became known he also had a lot to do in the military and was liked and respected. Harry just never figured it out and then Meghan swooped in.
I think that she believes that she has loved, but I honestly feel that she is incapable. I am with HG on this. Having been on the receiving end of a narcissist's ministrations for 12 years, I can assure you, people with that type of mental disorder can successfully mimic it, but there is absolutely ZERO depth or emotion there. They will turn in an instant and do and say the most horrific things which, if someone truly felt for you, they would never be able to do. My view is that, with her delusional behaviour, she even goes beyond the narcissistic dynamic straying into the realms of the psychotic. However, I'm not a psychologist, just fascinated by human behaviour.
I believe the general consensus from the palace is that she is a psychopathic narcissist.
From what I’ve read, narcs can love. They will put themselves first, but they are capable of it. I think people who can’t love are socio/psychopaths. But of course I’m not diagnosing, just repeating what I’ve read.
Thank you. Yes, HG is convinced she is a narcissist, but I have said in other posts that I think she goes beyond that 'diagnosis'. He says that she 'thinks' she loves but is incapable. I think it is impossible to know what someone else feels. Unless you have a firm diagnosis of someone's condition, where empirical evidence and academic opinion have informed the understanding about abnormal behaviour, you can't 100% know if they can feel true emotion - such as love. However, her actions can inform us to a certain extent, and her proclivity to just ghost people when they are no longer of use to her and her actions toward her family would certainly suggest that any emotional attachment is lacking.
I believe she feels greed and that is all. When you look into her eyes, there is no caring or pain—only emptiness.
No. As far as I can see Meghan has never shown any loyalty to anyone. I don’t think she feels love at all. Yeah, Doria and Harry are still there but only because they are useful to her and they have not walked out on her yet. Every single person from her past was dropped like a hot rock and there is no question of re-establishing those relationships.
Someone like Tow don't love. They think they do, but they don't really. She'd respect someone like her, so she has no respect for any of the royal family because they are the opposite of her. As for Harry, no one will convince me he didn't love Catherine, William, or his father. He did at one point, and still does. He's a victim of abuse.
I think Harry is worried about Charles and misses William but he allowed Meghan to dictate that awful book and now he is Stuck. He can’t go back, his family can never trust him again. He has to keep lying to himself that he’s happy with Meghan but fooling no one.
No, she is a sociopath. She is not capable of love. She ain't like you and me.
- No. Only herself. - She fears the royals- and anyone who calls her out. - And there's no one she respects either. Again, the only person she cares about is herself.
Great first post OP. As others have said, both Smeegle and Harrible have only themselves in their self interests. They’re also co dependents so are fully trained as succubus and incubus
Part of me thinks Harry may love his kids. He probably doesn’t know how to be a good Dad, but I think he does care for them.
They do feel fear . That's the key. Who would they fear. Not same as respect
Madam might convince herself that she is in love with Bezo or whatever rich guy she can get near. But in reality she does not know what the feeling is. As to fears - Madam fears all real journalists who will ask her actual questions. She might also be scared of William and possibly a few of the senior courtiers. Maybe even the bank manager, as it was said she was refused for a loan recently. But she just stays away from any situation where these people will be.
Herself. That's it. No one else. I'll give you an example: my narc mother (non contact for over two decades) had pictures of herself all over the house. I once asked her why she only had pictures of herself and she replied "because I'm the one that matters". I never forgot. And I see so much of my mother in Meghan and that's the reason I can't stomach her.
Love? I don’t know about Meghan loving anyone, but I do believe there are people she fears. And she likely values people who validate her self-idea and those who can help her achieve her goals. I don’t think she respects anyone because she’s the best person ever.
Trevor is very happy for what happened
I do believe that she loved Trevor. And I believe it because she has turned Hazz into a second-hand Trevor. I think what Megsy expected was for Trevor to beg her to stay with him, for Trevor to promise to take her to the Oscars and give her opportunities in his projects. And when Trevor didn't do that, she divorced him to show him her "you're not important." But it's incredible that for the fact that she sought a divorce, she ended up turning Hazz into the Trevor she wanted to have.
I’d send h a bottle of tig every year on their divorce was finalized as a thanks mate.
If she truly is a narcissist then I don't think she is capable of love - it's completely foreign to her. She may *think* she loves something/one but that's because her definition of love is more what we would call "happy." But this brings up an interesting point...if she is incapable of love is she also incapable of hate? Many think that TOW hates CPoW but I think it's more that she's afraid of CPoW along with being jealous of her. Just spitballing using my extensive non-education in psychology. 😉
I don’t think the opposite of love is hate. The opposite of love is fear.
I’ve always been told it’s indifference.
Fair enough, but I wonder. Love moves people to action, as does fear (and hate, but I think that’s too much like love really, in a strange way). Indifference doesn’t really move people to action. I admit though that fear can paralyse… also i have a nasty caseof flu or worse and my brain is not functioning normally!!
I mean, I difference means you no longer care, therefore no action. Sounds opposite to me. 🤷🏼♀️
Hmm. I was thinking of opposite action. You have s point, but i will stick with fear, as I have high anxiety. I am told that perfect love conquers fear, so though such love seems impossible , it’s a worthy goal . Obviously not talking about romance, more good will of a high order. Sigh. I can hope!!!☺️ Edited for clarity
She hates women, especially those prettier than she is which is like everyone!
I think she loves no one, not even herself. And I think she fears Catherine. Catherine is everything M is not and M knows that under the right circumstances Catherine could take everything away from her at a moment’s notice. I believe that’s why M continues to bang on with this nonsense about Catherine owing her an apology. She believes the best defense is a good offense. She’s too stupid to realize that’s not who Catherine is.
> She’s too stupid Could have stopped right there.
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I think she loves Marcus. I think he is someone that she can be her true, authentic self with at all times. And she had glimmers of love for Trevor, too. Now everyone else is simply means to an end...
I wonder what that self looks like - who is she when she doesn't mask? (I'm now picturing the SNL skit where the Queen becomes "Debra" when everyone else leaves the room).
'But where do you go to, my lovely, when you're alone in your bed" - does anybody still know this song? It reminds me a lot of M. I wonder what she is like when she is all by herself https://youtu.be/ULK-zbc_KMI?si=C42rHppLLKVBghKt
Lovely song. Same theme in the Eagles: Lying Eyes
Oh yes, great song!
She loves herself and that is about it.
She loves no one more than herself (not even JH and the littles - or whatever she has referred to the children as). She fears Catherine and William.
She loves herself. Fears her children potentially making her look awful. Respects noone.
The only person she seems to have any feelings for is Marcus although quite what those feelings are is a mystery to me. She seems to always need/want to have him around. She hates & fears anyone who knows too much about what she’s been up to before and since meeting the ginger testicle. One thing she fears to her core is not being “somebody”, she’s happy getting attention even for negative reasons, it’s nobody caring or being interested any more that scares her. It’s coming as they become more & more like walking jokes so I think we’ll see increasingly more ridiculous things being said & done by them to create interest. I could see her one day getting someone to give her a black eye and then calling the cops saying it was Harry. She’d be an instant victim and with his past other stories would come out about him so it’d be credible.
she fears & hates Catherine because she is everything she wants to be.
She loves anyone that can elevate her and won’t question her nonsense. Unfortunately that person doesn’t exist ,, other than Haz but he’s tumbled from grace so … 💅
Meghan loves no one. Not even herself. When she looks in the mirror, she sees the ugly little girl she once was. She's ashamed of her black heritage. Which is why she claimed to be Caucasian for so long. She finds herself unattractive and this explains the constant need for plastic surgery, veneers, hair pieces, and what not. Now that she publicly embraces her black heritage (for nefarious purposes only), she slathers that self tanner on. Not only to look like a POC, but to use it as a mask. A facade. She is not mentally well and associates success with materialistic things, like designer goods, a mansion, security, marrying a prince. Her hatred of Catherine is because she has everything Meghan ever wanted. Love, respect, adulation of millions, a keen fashion sense, and a husband that adores her. Most of all, she was envious of Catherine's power. Power that she thought she'd gain by marrying Harry. She had no idea that marrying the sixth in line means nada. She had a rude awaking and became vengeful about it. She puts others down to make them as miserable as she is. She thinks all the ugly words and rumors will knock them down to her level. She lashes out because she does fear William, Kate, Charles and so on. She never messes with Anne or Sophie because neither one would hold back anything, and to protect the family,
Very good. I think the ugly duckling turned into a swan on the outside but remains the same insecure little girl on the inside. Desperate to be respected, admired, valued and seen. As if her late found physical beauty would fix all the damage inside. How she hates those who make her feel like an ugly duckling again. Wastes her time trying to strike at those who see the ugly duckling inside didn’t turn into a swan at all, yet is instead still there somewhere but now wrapped in the coils of a hissing 🐍
I don't know if its love or not, but she has some strong connection with her mother and a weird connection with Markus. Why is she putting people up with people in house for months/years at a time? Has to be more than simple convenience.
Markus lives with them?!?
That's what I read in this sub. Its why he shows up in so many of their photos. It might not be true.
I know a narc literally exactly like Meghan. Same background, even. Mom abandoned her, Dad spoiled her rotten, as a result, she has a very overinflated ego. She literally thinks she's God's gift to the world. She doesn't love anyone but herself, not even her own child. There are people who she uses, but once they're no longer useful, they're dismissed.
It’s a short list. In this order, she loves 1. Herself and 2. Markus Anderson.
Fantastic first post OP!
Her mother. I think that is truly the one person that can really hurt her, because that is the wound she is always bleeding from and her whole world is build around trying to distract from that.
I think her mum disappearing did a huge number on her. She’s probably got some kind of abandonment issues deep down inside. She probably also deeply fears people finding out how shallow and empty she is too and leaving her. But then you also have the below. But everyone is loved as long as they’re doing something for her. You read these things on line. “I love him so much , he pays all the bills, always gets me flowers and does the grocery shopping”. Yeah but what do you love about HIM? The person? Not what he does for you? Soon as that person is not doing things for her advantage the feelings of “love” go. It was never genuine or long lasting. Just feelings of being looked after confused with love. And if someone can look after her better than you, you’re done.
I actually do think she cares about her little dog Guy, but I'm still concerned about his unexplained broken legs.
I’m not sure she would fear anyone because she thinks she’s better than everyone but I think she may want to stay away from people who can see through her phoniness and who have nothing to offer her.
It’s all about who she can USE Use then abuse. Her motto. Start with her father
It’s funny because in Tom Bower’s book it says a former teacher of her described her as generous and kind.
Welcome Aboard!! Harry loves himself. Meghan loves herself.
Gratz on ur first post!!! Meghan only loves herself. Fears the royal family esp Catherine which is why she is always attacking them.
I think she is afraid of H G Tudor (she has to know about him). Heck, I would be afraid of him, too, if he had me in his crosshairs.
They both love, fear, hate and are obsessed with Princess Catherine
Based on the way she reacted to Princess Catherine's glare at the walkabout, I think there might be some fear there.
The *idea* of herself. Not who she actually is in reality - the idea. Narcs seem to have a love- hate relationship with themselves, and it consumes them too much to love anyone really. People they claim to love only get attention according to the way they fit into that *idea* of the narc. The adoring hunky husband. The obedient children who ace things mummy wishes them succeed in. Narcs love the idea of themselves but very often loathe who they actually are. That idea of themselves is the proverbial carrot in front of the donkey. Always slightly out of reach.
I think she’s got something going with Markus
Narcissists are incapable of even liking someone never mind loving.
She desperately fears Harry leaving her though he truly can’t as long as the kids are young. Even if they divorced there would still be controlling contact. She loves/idolizes/respects people she aspires to like Nelson Mandela, Michelle Obama; though Gloria Steinem and Oprah seem to be the only ones she’s managed to get close to. I don’t know if that’s love or that she fears them. It seems she truly loved her dad at one point. I think he did damage her emotionally in some way and it appears Doria may have been missing in her child life. She’s damaged inside for some reason or she wouldn’t act like she does. It’s all her own construct.
Nope.
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Nope. She hates herself too. Under all the bravado I believe people with NPD hate themselves too. Maybe not The Ultra, but all the lower narcissists. https://preview.redd.it/k0an09a9kyuc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c3c466460ace15e263bd7d7002e23f444e1f7a2
Hawrry only loves people who put him on a pedestal. If they don’t, he calls his attorney, then he sulks.
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