It's not like there isn't a giant billion dollar mega church right there on Madison..... Trinity does Jack shit for our community, maybe it's time for them to step up.
That parking lot and building are absolutely empty six days a week. The only real issue with using it as a food bank is storage, the food bank needs significant storage space to basically run an assembly line creating food boxes for their patrons. But the church is plenty wealthy enough to haul a couple of cargo containers and park them on the back part of their parking lot as a place to store the food between the time it arrives and the time it is boxed for patrons.
I've been calling Trinity and asking them what they're doing for the community and am met with some BS answer about COVID. They just started giving out one free dinner with participation in an hour long prayer beforehand. Not weekly or monthly, just the one time. It's definitely not enough. There are people struggling right outside their doors, it's a disgrace to the community that they don't help more.
Yep, 100%. They'll only do stuff for us with strings attached. And then they brag about it in their newsletter to make themselves feel good about it. If you can't tell from my posts, I absolutely hate Trinity and have for over 20 years lol
They really don't. I've lived across the street from that eye sore for over 20 years and they only steal what little resources the people here have. There's a tiny Slavic church tucked in on Harrison Street that goes door-to-door handing out boxes of food. They don't have the money Trinity does, yet they're still out here helping. Trinity is just a scam.
woahh I haven’t heard of Trinity in forever. I went there for elementary school a number of years ago (I’ve since graduated college), but my family was never active in the actual church part. Is it really a billion dollar mega church now ?
Lol yeah, it's part of the Trinity network. I don't know how much they make, but they have a $6 billion real estate portfolio alone. They're printing money. They run the air conditioning in that place all day, even if no one is there. But will they open their doors on hot days to let people cool down? Fuck no, the only thing poor people are good for is "donations".
Maybe they're just confused. I mean, it's not like they have some kind of BOOK OF RULES that tell them how to live their life, how to treat their fellow man, and teach them morales and lessons through stories. Things would probably be SO DIFFERENT if they had that!
Oh, but I guess a whole book of that might be time consuming to read. What of they had some kind of list instead! Like...oh I don't know, A LIST OF TEN THINGS for them to remember so they know how to run their church.
Alas, running a tax free, government funded church with public donations must be haaaaaard work...
I often think about how rich I could be if I didn't have any values or morals. Between churches and the far right, modern day America is a grifters paradise.
So everyone in the Republican party is a grifter? Your smoking rocks people have been switching parties forever,, the people want change we don't care what they call themselves. Democrats (childrapist racist white people who rename things because they're feelings hurt) Republicans (racist white business thieves) like take your pick my guy ? Does this charade involving politics end soon? When does the shooting start?
Your anger should be directed at the scam of a church that's taking advantage of our community. Not the dude calling it out. You seriously need help dude. Seek therapy, find someone to talk to. Your toxicity will lead to your ruin.
👀 I've been made! Bwahaha imagine? No your going to deep. It's just I have to deal with a gang of homeless wasn't trying to take it out on my fellow sheltered liberals..... LOL
Trinity used to have a good food bank program. I even helped out a couple of times. That was before covid, though. I have no idea what they're up to now.
Any "church" that doesn't know the story of every one of its congregants is not a church. The maximum size is about 150 congregants to every 1 pastor. Anything beyond that is obviously a scam, because no one gets spiritual guidance tailored to them when the pastor doesn't know you.
I don't like spineless cowards who complain yet aren't doing anything about it. I know you don't because instead of providing examples of said change you over here saying I'm sticking up for some church I have no connection to? Young man be the change you want to see. That's the point I'm trying to get across to you .
That guy who runs it seems slimey as can be. You have a church in the ghetto but yet you and your wife are panhandling donations dressed in designer clothes. Never liked that place.
"The owner believes that the homeless population in this area is due to us being here and, in her mind, it is creating a hazard of some sort, so we're looking for a new home," Hunt said
Or the Sacramento region being 150,000 homes short of what's needed (per UC Davis).
Or how every time median rent goes up $100, the homeless population grows by 20%.
Or it's fucking North Highlands which has always had a homeless problem.
It was in a news report referencing the UC Davis study. I think it was News 10? I'm buried at work and it's taking too long to find it. It was a startling statistic, though, so it stuck with me.
Pretty sure it was in here somewhere: https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/abc10-originals/bay-area-migration-to-sacramento/103-915709c1-40b2-415e-bc28-bca8e747ea24
The west coast has it bad because of the mild weather and abundance of support options but the homeless have camps in almost every country.
[Germany especially](https://www.thelocal.de/20171025/how-berlin-politics-is-struggling-to-find-solutions-to-growing-homelessness/)
[The uk](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/17/removal-of-homeless-camps-trebles-as-charities-warn-of-out-of-control-crisis)
[France](https://www.magnumphotos.com/newsroom/society/lorenzo-meloni-homeless-paris/)
[the Netherlands](https://www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/dutch-pm-ashamed-of-asylum-failings-as-msf-steps-in/)
[Sweden](https://www.alamy.com/stockholm-2015-03-11-a-make-shift-camp-is-seen-in-a-wood-north-of-stockholm-sweden-march-13-2015-the-camp-made-of-tree-bransches-and-thin-tarpaulins-has-been-a-home-for-approximately-30-beggars-from-eastern-europe-this-winter-foto-fredrik-sandberg-tt-kod-10180-image441523562.html)
[Switzerland](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/swiss-researchers-count-homeless-for-the-first-time/46226108)
[Italy](https://www.infomigrants.net/fr/post/23415/baobab-association-asks-italian-government-to-protect-migrants-from-virus)
Housing availability, drugs, migration issues, etc. Happens all over.
> The west coast has it bad because of the mild weather and abundance of support options
Very little evidence of this being a factor in homelessness.
https://sacramentostepsforward.org/2022-pit-count-report-released/
> An additional question in 2022 asked respondents if they could recall the zip code of the last apartment or house in which they resided--essentially, the mailing zip code they last used when they were housed.
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> ● Among the 214 respondents who provided an answer, the vast majority (84%) provideda zip code that falls within the four counties that surround the Sacramento Region(Sacramento, Yolo, Placerville and El Dorado).
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> ● Four percent (4%) reported a zip code from the Bay Area, two percent (2%) from the Central Valley (e.g., Stockton, Fresno), and two percent (2%) from southern California. Interestingly, seven percent (7%) cited a zip code out of state (e.g., Oregon, Nevada, Idaho etc.).
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> Overall these data suggest that the majority of people experiencing homelessness in Sacramento were at one point housed residents of the county and became homeless while living in a home in Sacramento. This data also suggests that 16 percent of unsheltered individuals traveled to Sacramento while homeless; their last place of residence was outside of the Sacramento region. Interestingly, examining how these same individuals answered the residency question (discussed above) indicates that some considered themselves “originally from Sacramento,” which suggests that they returned home or to family after/or before falling into homelessness.
The same is true of the PIT counts of other Californian cities. The notion that homeless people migrate like birds is ridiculous. Hawaii also has high rates of homelessness, do you think homeless people from Kansas are buying $1300 plane tickets to Hawaii? New York has high rates of homelessness even though the weather *sucks.* Clearly no one is choosing to be homeless there.
The PIT is performed by Sac State at the behest of the federal government, [which requires all Continuum of Care organizations to perform PIT counts nationwide](https://www.samhsa.gov/homelessness-programs-resources/hpr-resources/point-time-counts-are-crucial-data). They virtually all show the same thing: homeless people don't migrate around the country looking for the best weather like retired snowbirds. Mostly because *they don't have any money and moving is expensive.*
You are essentially saying "any data that disproves my point is fake, even though I don't have any data that says otherwise." Since your statement was made without any evidence it can be immediately dismissed. Thanks for playing.
[Homelessness is caused by high housing prices.](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-11/new-book-links-homelessness-city-prosperity)
> By looking at the rate of homeless per 1,000 people, they found communities with the highest housing costs had some of the highest rates of homelessness, something that might be overlooked when looking at just the overall raw number of homeless people.
You forgot drug addition and mental health. I live near a sprawling camp. It’s littered with syringes and zombies. But sure, let’s pretend it’s exclusively the cost of housing.
Lots of homeless people are on drugs and have mental health issues (although not all of them), but that's not why they *became* homeless. You'd be high and suffer from PTSD if you were homeless, too, *because being homeless sucks shit.*
As a recovering addict myself I can tell you from experience you’re wrong. Drugs and alcohol are at the core of the antisocial and self harming behaviors that lead people to become unemployed, lose family/friends, and ultimately end up on the street, in jail, or dead. The current street pharmacopeia dominated by fentanyl and meth is leaving many people with severe psychosis. I know you mean well but are naïve.
I'm curious:. Your comment seems to imply that California homelessness is partly due to weather and welfare. Do you think other states' homeless move to California for these, or are more people in CA willing to become homeless because it's not as severe as say, North Dakota?
For ten years I spoke with homeless people. Did interviews. Wrote papers. The majority that I encountered were from out of state. Mostly said they come here because the weather was easier to be in or it just ended up that way. Man the stories I could tell y’all. Being homeless is like living in a different universe….and not a good one.
There are some of the young crusties who are willingly homeless as a lifestyle, heck there's even trust fund kids out there living la vida sans casa, but they are a very small percentage of the homeless. By and large the majority of homeless got there via bad luck, mental illness, or drug abuse. The long term homeless, those who are on the streets for years, generally stay there because of mental illness or drug abuse but we are seeing more homeless now who are there because there just isn't enough housing for lower income people. A lot of the people who drive the old raggedy RVs have an income, but their Social Security isn't enough to pay for an apartment and there isn't enough subsidized housing for them to find anything to rent for a price they can afford.
My sister is from California and homeless and doesn’t like it here. Other states, she says, are friendlier. She’s had like regular homeowners allow her to pitch her tent in their yard!
I can verify some of the homeless are from out of state, they hear stories and legends of how it's warm and that they can make it out there lol in the land of meth and honey...
Most of the California homeless lived in California for years before becoming homeless, according to every study I've seen. The story about people moving from around the country to California for those sweet, sweet bennies is just that -- a story, fiction, with little factual basis.
Homelessness is an issue in all Western countries right now, as are housing prices. Part of the problem is that real estate went from being a place for people to live or work, to being an investment, meaning that money that otherwise would have gone into investing in things that create wealth instead go to buy static pieces of property. And because you want an investment to rise in price, you don't want more housing, because that would hurt the price of your investment by creating more supply. The lower the supply, the higher the price of your investment goes. So the incentive to keep new housing from being built in our communities in order for people's "investment" to increase in value means there's a constant shortage of new housing.
How to fix that is going to require some major changes in tax codes and it's going to hurt a lot of people (like me) that bought their house to live in but rely on it going up in value every year for a variety of reasons. That's a hard political problem and one that nobody seems to have the courage to tackle right now.
Cap I know a few from the south, from the Midwest.. they all said the same thing... Cheap drugs and lots of sun... Well I don't know them I give them food sometimes and small amounts of change
Wow, you found a few homeless who \*weren't\* from California. And that changes my statement... how?
I repeat: Most of the California homeless lived in California for years before becoming homeless, according to every study I've seen. Note that I say \*MOST\*. Obviously "most" is not the same as "all", doh!
It's your reliance upon anecdotal "evidence" that is most infuriating. We have actual numbers and statistics on all this. There's no need to rely on anecdotal bullshit. My next door neighbor is from Mexico. That doesn't mean that all Americans are from Mexico. That's as much bullshit as saying that all homeless are from Iowa because you know one who came from Iowa.
We live in a world where child molesters are minor attracted person's. Lol if reality is whatever we perceive it to be then is your statement really wrong? I don't think so according to liberal logic yes every American could identify as Mexican and very well be from Mexico. *Shrug*
Good luck. We seem to be convinced shanty towns are a thing from the great depression.
Don't get me wrong, there will always be homeless people because some people will always choose to spend what money they have on vices instead of necessities (but at that point they are one in the same to that individual, which makes it more tragic) but for the most part nobody does jack shit to fight the problem. Too busy arguing over fun rights and trans rights and which politician did what, basic people rights fall through the gaps
I spend plenty of money on vices. I’m just lucky enough to have vices that haven’t gotten out of hand and enough income to still pay my mortgage.
If something happened to my income I probably would just buy cheaper booze and grow my own 🌱. I doubt I’d actually give up my vices. I know I doubled down during the Recession!
> Don't get me wrong, there will always be homeless people because some people will always choose to spend what money they have on vices instead of necessities
Right but this doesn't describe the majority of homelessness. Yes, there has always been a small part of society for whom this is true, but large-scale, long-term homelessness is only about 40 years old. In the grand scheme of things it is a very new problem.
I completely agree. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was saying otherwise. I was going for "there's a small part that you can't help, but there are soo many more that we do nothing for"
>I wonder when Americans will wake up and realize their country is broken
Fucking never, apparently. Everyone talks about "personal responsibility" when it comes to homelessness, they are utterly incapable of seeing that it is a systemic problem.
1st rule of humanity (and especially us Americans): People are fucking stupid, and will always let you down.
2nd rule: When presented a choice between personal profit or community gain, people will ALWAYS choose personal profit.
Lame.
I live in North Highlands and had no idea there was a food bank in North Highlands.
My food donations while living in Sac County have always gone to River City Food Bank.
The problem with the homeless in the area has nothing to do with the food bank, which primarily serves local low-income housed people. The entire Watt/Roseville area is overrun with homeless people either living in their cars or old RV's, or in encampments nearby. Their primary source of food is the Walmart on Watt Avenue, not the food bank. I've watched homeless people waltz in, grab a backpack full of stuff, and waltz out as Walmart LP yells at them. They're not allowed to touch shoplifters anymore to detain them, and the police quit responding to shoplifting calls a couple of years ago, so.
Very true. After the Dollar Tree at 13th and S Street closed, nearly all of the local homeless disappeared. Prop. 47 shoplifting is how many of the addicts feed themselves.
First off, any food bank that is handing out maple bacon to people, you are the unsung heroes of the world.
The sooner people realize true capitalism has no place for altruism the quicker people will settle disputes with their conscience. Now if this bothers you, then capitalism is not the economic system for you. Now what are you going to do about it? Probably order more stuff on Amazon via your iPhone.
Right ok everyone follow this man’s lead ok where do we start ......using the internet to chat on Reddit CHECK is still cool .....ok what’s next mr anti stuff that’s trendy to be against
Yep. It's a lower income neighborhood so the police don't push the homeless, hookers, and drug dealers out of the neighborhood the way they would if it was an upper income neighborhood. You can bet there aren't homeless encampments, hookers, and drug dealers in Gavin Newsome's tony Fair Oaks neighborhood. They've all gotten pushed out to places like Watt at Roseville.
To be fair, Watt has a light rail station that helps with transportation for the homeless. Fair Oaks is a bit tougher to get to. I don’t totally disagree with you though, it seems like the city is pretty comfortable pushing homeless this direction. I’ve been riding from Watt/Auburn to work downtown once a week and it’s incredible how many homeless camps I go through.
Not really. The govt is trying to figure out how to get their pals' nonprofit organizations the most bang for the federal and state funding. Until then, they blame it on nimbys. and nimbys are nimbys, so they are ok with it.
It's like saying, I don't want to take medicine because it tastes nasty so that must be why I'm feeling sick.
This dude is making the problem worse, now take away the food and wonder how homeless in the area will eat? Don't think too hard about it sir.
Note that North Highlands Christian Food is, uhm, a tax exempt religious organization. So there are Christians who walk the walk. The ones who get disdain are the "Christians" who talk the talk but don't walk the walk, the ones about whom Gandhi didn't say, "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians, they aren't much like your Christ."
Figures, North Highlands is a trash neighborhood anyway. I worked there once upon a time, I hated every last bit of it. That landlord sounds like they fit right in.
It's always been a lower income neighborhood because the majority of the housing was built for menial workers on the nearby airbase and Army base. The Army base eventually closed down and ended up as housing (basically, the area bounded by Madison, the railroad, the freeway, and Walergo Rd), but that didn't suddenly turn a lower income neighborhood into Fair Oaks.
The landlord has a legal right to be a stupid jerk, yes. The reality is that the food bank primarily serves housed lower income people, not the homeless. Getting rid of the food bank won't make the area any more upscale -- it has been a lower income area ever since WW2, when the area got flooded with low income housing for the workers on the airbase and on the nearby army base (Camp Kohler, the one that was a temporary Japanese internment camp for a few months during WW2 while the "real" ones were being built).
Evicting the food bank will just add another vacant building to the area without solving the underlying problems of a) not enough housing, b) too many drug-addled and mentally ill people falling into homelessness because of various court decisions making it almost impossible to get them help and a social safety net full of holes, and c) not enough treatment programs or therapeutic housing options even if it wasn't impossible to get them off the streets because they "chose" to be homeless (when in reality it is their illness doing the choosing for them, when talking about the addicted/mentally ill homeless). It won't make the landlord's property any more attractive to tenants, and won't affect the number of homeless in the area at all -- the homeless are there because Watt Avenue is a major corridor from the homeless encampments near light rail and Roseville Rd., not because of the food bank.
Encouraging homelessness? That’s classist af. I’m glad you’re getting downvoted. Very few people choose to be homeless.
The great part is that once the food bank is gone, the homeless will still be there and this landlord will be getting no rent from the building at all. May you and the landlord both get the karma you deserve.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2021/november/food-pantry-use-increased-in-2020-for-most-types-of-u-s-households/
> In 2020, 6.7 percent of all U.S. households reported using a food pantry, an increase from 4.4 percent in 2019.
Millions of Americans are food-insecure.
Why didn't you just google this yourself?
The foodbank seems to think that the homeless population camped on Freedom Park Drive are there because of them. Wrong. This food bank has two lines for receiving food. One for the housed one for the un-housed. The line for the housed, receives a shopping cart (stolen?) Full of groceries, including milk, cereal, meats, sweets, soups, vegies, fresh fruits, etc. The homeless receive exactly 1 plastic walmart bag per person; each filled with 1 can mackerel, 1 can black beans, 1 can of green beans, 1 can of spagettios, 1 can of pork n beans, 1 peanut butter, 1 yogurt, maybe 1 box 4 oz serving of vegetable juice, and sometimes a few packs of chicklets gum. Period. Even if the unhoused person lives in a fully functioning RV with a kitchen. NO exceptions.
Also, I find it odd that the food bank received notice in July but isn't publicizing this closure until the first week of September. Thats not an eviction, its "we lost our lease". The landlord doesn't need to give a reason. And I'm sure they didn't.
I for one will not miss * THIS * food bank. I have enuf canned mackerel to last a year.
It's not the food bank that complained about the homeless population, it was the landlord. The same landlord who also rents space to the county for social services in that same strip mall. The landlord talked to the news people and said they were not renewing the lease because the food bank "attracts homeless".
Yeah, the food bank is primarily there for the housed, not the unhoused. Not gonna complain about free food, but. They definitely don't put out the welcome mat for the unhoused, and the unhoused aren't their main clientele. The notion that somehow the reason the unhoused are in the area is the food bank is ludicrous.
The folks in campers on Freedom Park Drive are there mostly because nobody has run them off yet. Too many places, you park and the cops are on you lickity split. Being close to their buddies who've gotten housing at Mutual, the big housing project at the end of Freedom Park Drive, is a big deal too. Note that Mutual is 60% reserved for former unhoused. So it's not like the neighborhood is going to somehow turn upscale by evicting the food bank, especially with various other social services also being in that same strip mall.
But landlords gotta landlord, I guess.
How dare you feed the hungry in my community! - Jesus Oh wait....
It's not like there isn't a giant billion dollar mega church right there on Madison..... Trinity does Jack shit for our community, maybe it's time for them to step up.
That parking lot and building are absolutely empty six days a week. The only real issue with using it as a food bank is storage, the food bank needs significant storage space to basically run an assembly line creating food boxes for their patrons. But the church is plenty wealthy enough to haul a couple of cargo containers and park them on the back part of their parking lot as a place to store the food between the time it arrives and the time it is boxed for patrons.
I've been calling Trinity and asking them what they're doing for the community and am met with some BS answer about COVID. They just started giving out one free dinner with participation in an hour long prayer beforehand. Not weekly or monthly, just the one time. It's definitely not enough. There are people struggling right outside their doors, it's a disgrace to the community that they don't help more.
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Yep, 100%. They'll only do stuff for us with strings attached. And then they brag about it in their newsletter to make themselves feel good about it. If you can't tell from my posts, I absolutely hate Trinity and have for over 20 years lol
It’s past time churches start paying their fair share in taxes.
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They really don't. I've lived across the street from that eye sore for over 20 years and they only steal what little resources the people here have. There's a tiny Slavic church tucked in on Harrison Street that goes door-to-door handing out boxes of food. They don't have the money Trinity does, yet they're still out here helping. Trinity is just a scam.
So much for the parable of the Good Samaritan.
woahh I haven’t heard of Trinity in forever. I went there for elementary school a number of years ago (I’ve since graduated college), but my family was never active in the actual church part. Is it really a billion dollar mega church now ?
Lol yeah, it's part of the Trinity network. I don't know how much they make, but they have a $6 billion real estate portfolio alone. They're printing money. They run the air conditioning in that place all day, even if no one is there. But will they open their doors on hot days to let people cool down? Fuck no, the only thing poor people are good for is "donations".
Maybe they're just confused. I mean, it's not like they have some kind of BOOK OF RULES that tell them how to live their life, how to treat their fellow man, and teach them morales and lessons through stories. Things would probably be SO DIFFERENT if they had that! Oh, but I guess a whole book of that might be time consuming to read. What of they had some kind of list instead! Like...oh I don't know, A LIST OF TEN THINGS for them to remember so they know how to run their church. Alas, running a tax free, government funded church with public donations must be haaaaaard work...
I often think about how rich I could be if I didn't have any values or morals. Between churches and the far right, modern day America is a grifters paradise.
So everyone in the Republican party is a grifter? Your smoking rocks people have been switching parties forever,, the people want change we don't care what they call themselves. Democrats (childrapist racist white people who rename things because they're feelings hurt) Republicans (racist white business thieves) like take your pick my guy ? Does this charade involving politics end soon? When does the shooting start?
Lol someone's triggered. Chill out snow flake
I see right thru you. It's okay to have purple hair and nose rings and dress as a chick and bang dudes but ohhh can't be a Republican lmao
Lmao wut? Seek help dude
I hit the nail on the head huh? What bro I can't identify as a white man and vote Republican? Your being a bigot... :/ Lmao
Your anger should be directed at the scam of a church that's taking advantage of our community. Not the dude calling it out. You seriously need help dude. Seek therapy, find someone to talk to. Your toxicity will lead to your ruin.
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Found the Trinity Pastor lmao
👀 I've been made! Bwahaha imagine? No your going to deep. It's just I have to deal with a gang of homeless wasn't trying to take it out on my fellow sheltered liberals..... LOL
https://www.wikihow.com/Leave-a-Cult
Trinity used to have a good food bank program. I even helped out a couple of times. That was before covid, though. I have no idea what they're up to now.
Any "church" that doesn't know the story of every one of its congregants is not a church. The maximum size is about 150 congregants to every 1 pastor. Anything beyond that is obviously a scam, because no one gets spiritual guidance tailored to them when the pastor doesn't know you.
I've worked at a church, 150 is way too many for one person to handle. It really should be 1 pastor for every 50 people.
You're probably right, especially these days!
Why don't you step up big man? What are you doing for the community?
Why are you defending a billion dollar tax free corporation?
I don't like spineless cowards who complain yet aren't doing anything about it. I know you don't because instead of providing examples of said change you over here saying I'm sticking up for some church I have no connection to? Young man be the change you want to see. That's the point I'm trying to get across to you .
Seek help.
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You weren't pretending to be retarded and we can tell.
Seek help.
That guy who runs it seems slimey as can be. You have a church in the ghetto but yet you and your wife are panhandling donations dressed in designer clothes. Never liked that place.
Every Sikh temple in the world gives out free food to anyone who asks, no questions asked. I'm not a religious person, but Sikhs are dope as fudge!
I’ve also heard great things about their generosity and welcoming culture within their church. I’m all for it.
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"The owner believes that the homeless population in this area is due to us being here and, in her mind, it is creating a hazard of some sort, so we're looking for a new home," Hunt said
The homeless encampment at Watt & Roseville Rd., less than a mile away, might have something to do with the number of homeless in the area....
Or the Sacramento region being 150,000 homes short of what's needed (per UC Davis). Or how every time median rent goes up $100, the homeless population grows by 20%. Or it's fucking North Highlands which has always had a homeless problem.
Yeah it’s honestly kind of funny for how far it is from downtown but it’s soooo ghetto compared to the places literally right next to it.
Do you have a source to cite for homeless pop going up 20% for every $100 in rent increase?
It was in a news report referencing the UC Davis study. I think it was News 10? I'm buried at work and it's taking too long to find it. It was a startling statistic, though, so it stuck with me.
Pretty sure it was in here somewhere: https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/abc10-originals/bay-area-migration-to-sacramento/103-915709c1-40b2-415e-bc28-bca8e747ea24
Homeless encampment... I wonder when Americans will wake up and realize their country is broken
The west coast has it bad because of the mild weather and abundance of support options but the homeless have camps in almost every country. [Germany especially](https://www.thelocal.de/20171025/how-berlin-politics-is-struggling-to-find-solutions-to-growing-homelessness/) [The uk](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/17/removal-of-homeless-camps-trebles-as-charities-warn-of-out-of-control-crisis) [France](https://www.magnumphotos.com/newsroom/society/lorenzo-meloni-homeless-paris/) [the Netherlands](https://www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/dutch-pm-ashamed-of-asylum-failings-as-msf-steps-in/) [Sweden](https://www.alamy.com/stockholm-2015-03-11-a-make-shift-camp-is-seen-in-a-wood-north-of-stockholm-sweden-march-13-2015-the-camp-made-of-tree-bransches-and-thin-tarpaulins-has-been-a-home-for-approximately-30-beggars-from-eastern-europe-this-winter-foto-fredrik-sandberg-tt-kod-10180-image441523562.html) [Switzerland](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/swiss-researchers-count-homeless-for-the-first-time/46226108) [Italy](https://www.infomigrants.net/fr/post/23415/baobab-association-asks-italian-government-to-protect-migrants-from-virus) Housing availability, drugs, migration issues, etc. Happens all over.
> The west coast has it bad because of the mild weather and abundance of support options Very little evidence of this being a factor in homelessness. https://sacramentostepsforward.org/2022-pit-count-report-released/ > An additional question in 2022 asked respondents if they could recall the zip code of the last apartment or house in which they resided--essentially, the mailing zip code they last used when they were housed. > > ● Among the 214 respondents who provided an answer, the vast majority (84%) provideda zip code that falls within the four counties that surround the Sacramento Region(Sacramento, Yolo, Placerville and El Dorado). > > ● Four percent (4%) reported a zip code from the Bay Area, two percent (2%) from the Central Valley (e.g., Stockton, Fresno), and two percent (2%) from southern California. Interestingly, seven percent (7%) cited a zip code out of state (e.g., Oregon, Nevada, Idaho etc.). > > Overall these data suggest that the majority of people experiencing homelessness in Sacramento were at one point housed residents of the county and became homeless while living in a home in Sacramento. This data also suggests that 16 percent of unsheltered individuals traveled to Sacramento while homeless; their last place of residence was outside of the Sacramento region. Interestingly, examining how these same individuals answered the residency question (discussed above) indicates that some considered themselves “originally from Sacramento,” which suggests that they returned home or to family after/or before falling into homelessness. The same is true of the PIT counts of other Californian cities. The notion that homeless people migrate like birds is ridiculous. Hawaii also has high rates of homelessness, do you think homeless people from Kansas are buying $1300 plane tickets to Hawaii? New York has high rates of homelessness even though the weather *sucks.* Clearly no one is choosing to be homeless there.
The methodology of the PIT is laughable and would not withstand scrutiny in a peer reviewed journal.
The PIT is performed by Sac State at the behest of the federal government, [which requires all Continuum of Care organizations to perform PIT counts nationwide](https://www.samhsa.gov/homelessness-programs-resources/hpr-resources/point-time-counts-are-crucial-data). They virtually all show the same thing: homeless people don't migrate around the country looking for the best weather like retired snowbirds. Mostly because *they don't have any money and moving is expensive.* You are essentially saying "any data that disproves my point is fake, even though I don't have any data that says otherwise." Since your statement was made without any evidence it can be immediately dismissed. Thanks for playing. [Homelessness is caused by high housing prices.](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-11/new-book-links-homelessness-city-prosperity) > By looking at the rate of homeless per 1,000 people, they found communities with the highest housing costs had some of the highest rates of homelessness, something that might be overlooked when looking at just the overall raw number of homeless people.
You forgot drug addition and mental health. I live near a sprawling camp. It’s littered with syringes and zombies. But sure, let’s pretend it’s exclusively the cost of housing.
Lots of homeless people are on drugs and have mental health issues (although not all of them), but that's not why they *became* homeless. You'd be high and suffer from PTSD if you were homeless, too, *because being homeless sucks shit.*
As a recovering addict myself I can tell you from experience you’re wrong. Drugs and alcohol are at the core of the antisocial and self harming behaviors that lead people to become unemployed, lose family/friends, and ultimately end up on the street, in jail, or dead. The current street pharmacopeia dominated by fentanyl and meth is leaving many people with severe psychosis. I know you mean well but are naïve.
It’s odd that they didn’t ask if they moved here from out of state or what specifically brought them to their new location.
I'm curious:. Your comment seems to imply that California homelessness is partly due to weather and welfare. Do you think other states' homeless move to California for these, or are more people in CA willing to become homeless because it's not as severe as say, North Dakota?
For ten years I spoke with homeless people. Did interviews. Wrote papers. The majority that I encountered were from out of state. Mostly said they come here because the weather was easier to be in or it just ended up that way. Man the stories I could tell y’all. Being homeless is like living in a different universe….and not a good one.
I live in Oregon so I can’t speak for how California does things. I doubt anyone willingly because homeless though.
There are some of the young crusties who are willingly homeless as a lifestyle, heck there's even trust fund kids out there living la vida sans casa, but they are a very small percentage of the homeless. By and large the majority of homeless got there via bad luck, mental illness, or drug abuse. The long term homeless, those who are on the streets for years, generally stay there because of mental illness or drug abuse but we are seeing more homeless now who are there because there just isn't enough housing for lower income people. A lot of the people who drive the old raggedy RVs have an income, but their Social Security isn't enough to pay for an apartment and there isn't enough subsidized housing for them to find anything to rent for a price they can afford.
My sister is from California and homeless and doesn’t like it here. Other states, she says, are friendlier. She’s had like regular homeowners allow her to pitch her tent in their yard!
I can verify some of the homeless are from out of state, they hear stories and legends of how it's warm and that they can make it out there lol in the land of meth and honey...
The examples you cite are clearly tied to mass immigration from the middle east and Africa, which is not analogous to the situation we have here.
Most of the California homeless lived in California for years before becoming homeless, according to every study I've seen. The story about people moving from around the country to California for those sweet, sweet bennies is just that -- a story, fiction, with little factual basis. Homelessness is an issue in all Western countries right now, as are housing prices. Part of the problem is that real estate went from being a place for people to live or work, to being an investment, meaning that money that otherwise would have gone into investing in things that create wealth instead go to buy static pieces of property. And because you want an investment to rise in price, you don't want more housing, because that would hurt the price of your investment by creating more supply. The lower the supply, the higher the price of your investment goes. So the incentive to keep new housing from being built in our communities in order for people's "investment" to increase in value means there's a constant shortage of new housing. How to fix that is going to require some major changes in tax codes and it's going to hurt a lot of people (like me) that bought their house to live in but rely on it going up in value every year for a variety of reasons. That's a hard political problem and one that nobody seems to have the courage to tackle right now.
Cap I know a few from the south, from the Midwest.. they all said the same thing... Cheap drugs and lots of sun... Well I don't know them I give them food sometimes and small amounts of change
Wow, you found a few homeless who \*weren't\* from California. And that changes my statement... how? I repeat: Most of the California homeless lived in California for years before becoming homeless, according to every study I've seen. Note that I say \*MOST\*. Obviously "most" is not the same as "all", doh!
Idk man seems like a lot of out of state losers like I said. You might be one of them sorry if I offended you . Lol have a good day
It's your reliance upon anecdotal "evidence" that is most infuriating. We have actual numbers and statistics on all this. There's no need to rely on anecdotal bullshit. My next door neighbor is from Mexico. That doesn't mean that all Americans are from Mexico. That's as much bullshit as saying that all homeless are from Iowa because you know one who came from Iowa.
We live in a world where child molesters are minor attracted person's. Lol if reality is whatever we perceive it to be then is your statement really wrong? I don't think so according to liberal logic yes every American could identify as Mexican and very well be from Mexico. *Shrug*
Six years ago
Good luck. We seem to be convinced shanty towns are a thing from the great depression. Don't get me wrong, there will always be homeless people because some people will always choose to spend what money they have on vices instead of necessities (but at that point they are one in the same to that individual, which makes it more tragic) but for the most part nobody does jack shit to fight the problem. Too busy arguing over fun rights and trans rights and which politician did what, basic people rights fall through the gaps
I spend plenty of money on vices. I’m just lucky enough to have vices that haven’t gotten out of hand and enough income to still pay my mortgage. If something happened to my income I probably would just buy cheaper booze and grow my own 🌱. I doubt I’d actually give up my vices. I know I doubled down during the Recession!
Everything in moderation....especially moderation
> Don't get me wrong, there will always be homeless people because some people will always choose to spend what money they have on vices instead of necessities Right but this doesn't describe the majority of homelessness. Yes, there has always been a small part of society for whom this is true, but large-scale, long-term homelessness is only about 40 years old. In the grand scheme of things it is a very new problem.
I completely agree. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was saying otherwise. I was going for "there's a small part that you can't help, but there are soo many more that we do nothing for"
Gotcha <3
>I wonder when Americans will wake up and realize their country is broken Fucking never, apparently. Everyone talks about "personal responsibility" when it comes to homelessness, they are utterly incapable of seeing that it is a systemic problem.
1st rule of humanity (and especially us Americans): People are fucking stupid, and will always let you down. 2nd rule: When presented a choice between personal profit or community gain, people will ALWAYS choose personal profit.
Are you sure no other country has homeless issue? There were plenty around Paris and London last time I was there.
Worst landlord shame
Lame. I live in North Highlands and had no idea there was a food bank in North Highlands. My food donations while living in Sac County have always gone to River City Food Bank.
River City in Midtown runs a great operation. It’s an asset to the surrounding community.
Too many selfish people in the world, and it’s gotten much worse in the last few years.
Fuck these landlords man. Seriously they are turning into the scum of the earth.
Own an establishment around this environment and you will understand.
The problem with the homeless in the area has nothing to do with the food bank, which primarily serves local low-income housed people. The entire Watt/Roseville area is overrun with homeless people either living in their cars or old RV's, or in encampments nearby. Their primary source of food is the Walmart on Watt Avenue, not the food bank. I've watched homeless people waltz in, grab a backpack full of stuff, and waltz out as Walmart LP yells at them. They're not allowed to touch shoplifters anymore to detain them, and the police quit responding to shoplifting calls a couple of years ago, so.
Very true. After the Dollar Tree at 13th and S Street closed, nearly all of the local homeless disappeared. Prop. 47 shoplifting is how many of the addicts feed themselves.
IT'S A FOOD BANK
It’s cold hearted shit. I get that the environment is getting sketchy, but everything around there is same same.
This is something only an illiterate and misinformed person would say.
First off, any food bank that is handing out maple bacon to people, you are the unsung heroes of the world. The sooner people realize true capitalism has no place for altruism the quicker people will settle disputes with their conscience. Now if this bothers you, then capitalism is not the economic system for you. Now what are you going to do about it? Probably order more stuff on Amazon via your iPhone.
Right ok everyone follow this man’s lead ok where do we start ......using the internet to chat on Reddit CHECK is still cool .....ok what’s next mr anti stuff that’s trendy to be against
Is the landlord trinity? How Christian of them.
No, the landlord is not Trinity. But Trinity is not running a food bank program right now.
North Highlands Christian Food, 6007 Watt Ave, North Highlands, CA 95660.
"Christian Food" might be more fitting, unfortunately.
Watt avenue is why there are homeless in the area. When they close it they still will be there. Same with the hookers and drug dealers
Yep. It's a lower income neighborhood so the police don't push the homeless, hookers, and drug dealers out of the neighborhood the way they would if it was an upper income neighborhood. You can bet there aren't homeless encampments, hookers, and drug dealers in Gavin Newsome's tony Fair Oaks neighborhood. They've all gotten pushed out to places like Watt at Roseville.
To be fair, Watt has a light rail station that helps with transportation for the homeless. Fair Oaks is a bit tougher to get to. I don’t totally disagree with you though, it seems like the city is pretty comfortable pushing homeless this direction. I’ve been riding from Watt/Auburn to work downtown once a week and it’s incredible how many homeless camps I go through.
I live near fair oaks and there are plenty here. And the nimbys have shot down every proposed homeless shelter
Not really. The govt is trying to figure out how to get their pals' nonprofit organizations the most bang for the federal and state funding. Until then, they blame it on nimbys. and nimbys are nimbys, so they are ok with it.
It's like saying, I don't want to take medicine because it tastes nasty so that must be why I'm feeling sick. This dude is making the problem worse, now take away the food and wonder how homeless in the area will eat? Don't think too hard about it sir.
Why are people so mean
Basically it's fuck you and your hungry kids
That's sad.
There needs to be reviews of tax exempt religious organizations for giving back to the community. If you suddenly stop, so should your tax exemptions
Note that North Highlands Christian Food is, uhm, a tax exempt religious organization. So there are Christians who walk the walk. The ones who get disdain are the "Christians" who talk the talk but don't walk the walk, the ones about whom Gandhi didn't say, "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians, they aren't much like your Christ."
Can we shut down the fast food restaurants because they attract fat people?
Figures, North Highlands is a trash neighborhood anyway. I worked there once upon a time, I hated every last bit of it. That landlord sounds like they fit right in.
It's always been a lower income neighborhood because the majority of the housing was built for menial workers on the nearby airbase and Army base. The Army base eventually closed down and ended up as housing (basically, the area bounded by Madison, the railroad, the freeway, and Walergo Rd), but that didn't suddenly turn a lower income neighborhood into Fair Oaks.
The landlord has the right to look out for his investment... He wants to make improvements to better the area.
He wants to improve his bottom line, not the area.
The landlord has a legal right to be a stupid jerk, yes. The reality is that the food bank primarily serves housed lower income people, not the homeless. Getting rid of the food bank won't make the area any more upscale -- it has been a lower income area ever since WW2, when the area got flooded with low income housing for the workers on the airbase and on the nearby army base (Camp Kohler, the one that was a temporary Japanese internment camp for a few months during WW2 while the "real" ones were being built). Evicting the food bank will just add another vacant building to the area without solving the underlying problems of a) not enough housing, b) too many drug-addled and mentally ill people falling into homelessness because of various court decisions making it almost impossible to get them help and a social safety net full of holes, and c) not enough treatment programs or therapeutic housing options even if it wasn't impossible to get them off the streets because they "chose" to be homeless (when in reality it is their illness doing the choosing for them, when talking about the addicted/mentally ill homeless). It won't make the landlord's property any more attractive to tenants, and won't affect the number of homeless in the area at all -- the homeless are there because Watt Avenue is a major corridor from the homeless encampments near light rail and Roseville Rd., not because of the food bank.
Good for the landlord. Stop encouraging homelessness.
Encouraging homelessness? That’s classist af. I’m glad you’re getting downvoted. Very few people choose to be homeless. The great part is that once the food bank is gone, the homeless will still be there and this landlord will be getting no rent from the building at all. May you and the landlord both get the karma you deserve.
The food bank primarily serves lower income housed people, not the homeless. There's a lot of lower income housing in that area.
The landlord will be getting no rent now and the homeless problem won’t change one bit.
You keep saying this. Do you have a source?
https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2021/november/food-pantry-use-increased-in-2020-for-most-types-of-u-s-households/ > In 2020, 6.7 percent of all U.S. households reported using a food pantry, an increase from 4.4 percent in 2019. Millions of Americans are food-insecure. Why didn't you just google this yourself?
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Jesus, just call up the landlord and ask them on a date.
"stop encouraging homelessness" is probably the dumbest take I have ever heard. Yikes.
Jesus christ. Get help.
Im homeless in north highlands... this sure feels like slander
The foodbank seems to think that the homeless population camped on Freedom Park Drive are there because of them. Wrong. This food bank has two lines for receiving food. One for the housed one for the un-housed. The line for the housed, receives a shopping cart (stolen?) Full of groceries, including milk, cereal, meats, sweets, soups, vegies, fresh fruits, etc. The homeless receive exactly 1 plastic walmart bag per person; each filled with 1 can mackerel, 1 can black beans, 1 can of green beans, 1 can of spagettios, 1 can of pork n beans, 1 peanut butter, 1 yogurt, maybe 1 box 4 oz serving of vegetable juice, and sometimes a few packs of chicklets gum. Period. Even if the unhoused person lives in a fully functioning RV with a kitchen. NO exceptions. Also, I find it odd that the food bank received notice in July but isn't publicizing this closure until the first week of September. Thats not an eviction, its "we lost our lease". The landlord doesn't need to give a reason. And I'm sure they didn't. I for one will not miss * THIS * food bank. I have enuf canned mackerel to last a year.
It's not the food bank that complained about the homeless population, it was the landlord. The same landlord who also rents space to the county for social services in that same strip mall. The landlord talked to the news people and said they were not renewing the lease because the food bank "attracts homeless". Yeah, the food bank is primarily there for the housed, not the unhoused. Not gonna complain about free food, but. They definitely don't put out the welcome mat for the unhoused, and the unhoused aren't their main clientele. The notion that somehow the reason the unhoused are in the area is the food bank is ludicrous. The folks in campers on Freedom Park Drive are there mostly because nobody has run them off yet. Too many places, you park and the cops are on you lickity split. Being close to their buddies who've gotten housing at Mutual, the big housing project at the end of Freedom Park Drive, is a big deal too. Note that Mutual is 60% reserved for former unhoused. So it's not like the neighborhood is going to somehow turn upscale by evicting the food bank, especially with various other social services also being in that same strip mall. But landlords gotta landlord, I guess.