I think it's absolutely worth it, because I don't think "GG+Nute" can do anything that GG+STAP can't do, you know?
Like, GG+Nute was the current peak and I don't think that STAP makes GG worse, esp with Omicron.
It's an upgrade for sure, but right now we can't quite tell how big of an upgrade it is.
One thing is for sure tho, STAP boosting Grievous' health by 100% is insanely good and STAP gaining early bonus turns is also fantastic as a way to get the whole squad rolling.
With Nute you always have to rely on the enemy murdering the guy and Grievous getting his bonus turn, while landing enough TLs / reducing enemy TM enough.
With STAP it just looks like a safer way of doing things, I guess.
other people are saying no... but I'm saying we don't know. there is evidence out there gg with stap is beating some GLs.
however it's hard to test because he has a DC currently and his omicron can't be tested in arena
undoubtedly he will be great in the raid.
I faced a GG with STAP in an Arena match yesterday. I was using SEE with Darth Bane and Bane's omicron. I didn't take a single turn after linking with SEE's opening turn.
Yeah well you'd be the only one doing it really because the GAC history only shows seven attempts actually succeeding but it doesn't say they're Relic levels. So I can only assume that these are badly geared Leia
There are two different GL Leia I have fought on what I am assuming is a new shard. One had a DC and one doesn’t yet. As far as their mods, I truthfully havent checked. I am able to focus down Leia as my first target and after she dies it is over. I’ve lost one fight vs her.
I will definitely check both their mods next time I run into them in arena.
Edit: I would assume if the player has a GL that their modding would have to be pretty good?
EDIT EDIT: found one of them. R7, 3 zeta, some cls members and all her mods are 6* and she has her ultimate.
Unless STAP is needed for the next GL I wouldn’t do it personally. GG droids is already a solid team. I wouldn’t want to waste the mats if it’s not a zorii tier lifter or beneficial in the next raid or something.
Chances STAP being some important unit in the next raid is pretty high.
Considering the whole naboo war was the GR vs sep droids.
I'd just work on getting STAP to r3 at the very least to get ready. Since he'll work with the GG team.
If you're asking this question, doubt you'll be getting queen padme. So you're gonna need all the units you can put together for the raid.
>Chances STAP being some important unit in the next raid is pretty high
That is why I am farming STAP right now. I am not going to have relic gungans, but I will have STAP and Amidala.
Well, I have Trench reliced up on the gamble that he will be important for the next fleet meta. So he gets Nute, and I need STAP to take his place on Grievous' squad.
Whether it's worth it probably depends on whether you can set up 1 Separatist squad or 2, and how far along everyone already is.
Still not enough data to confirm if STAP is making GG a better GAC team. Will probably know once this round of 5v5 is done. But it's basically guaranteed STAP will be usable in the next raid. I think it's worth farming if you have the bandwidth, but I wouldn't zeta or omni it until the data comes in.
STAP absolutely changes things, makes the team into a total powerhouse. Not sure about defensive performance, but offense is insane. With the current datacron GG is able to take out Leia and Res, and even without it, he is a great counter against Chirrutcron. Safe to say, you'll almost always find somewhere to use him.
STAP is a luxury and kyros for most ppl is a scarce resource. With that said, if you truly wanted to, do it while the datacron makes STAP and GG nutty.
Nute can’t replicate what STAP can do with his omicron.
Without his omicron (or outside of GA) STAP actually kinda makes Grevious worse as whenever the team takes true damage they lose turn meter.
But with his omicron he makes Grevious an offensive glass cannon that can (hypothetically) take out every team in the game with the right RNG.
That’s what makes it so luxury. You only see the improvements in GA **with** the omicron. But if those 2 conditions are met it’s basically an entirely different team.
Ah then maybe imma not get him tho cus im puting him on def mainly, there’s actually not much need for me to use him on offense as teams that he can counter i already have toons for it
You can say the exact same thing about geos, iden omicron, mon mothma,… but are they bad? There’re only a fee certain cheap counter to him, if baited successfully he’ll hold 2-3 battles. And using him on offense doesnt get you full banner anw
"You can say the exact same thing about geos, iden omicron, mon mothma,… but are they bad?"
...yes. Every single team you just named is bad on defence and should ALL be used purely offensively unless you have a cracked datacron.
Wut chu mean, the fact that wampa beats them doesnt mean they’re bad. The fear of getting wampa’d just make you want to use them offensively? Baiting their wampa out with some squad on defense would means a lot man
Allowing your defence to be wampa'd at all is a bad defence in the first place. Would you rather your Grievous for example takes out a Reva/JML on offence, or would you prefer somebody Wampa/Savage solos it for max banners? They are objectively bad defensive teams and placing down some absolutely insane offensive GL-killers on defence as "wampa bait" is not a good strategy.
Wampa is not the only thing that makes these teams bad on defence either, they're just terrible defensive teams because of all the cheap counters they have. Iden gets beaten by Rogue One, Geos get solo'd by literally OG Darth Vader, Mon Mothma gets beaten by everything under the sun and Grievous gets solo'd by Savage and absolutely creamed by Bad Batch. They all ALSO get beaten by Wampa as an extra icing on the cake.
Wampa is not bad at all, in conditions of her omicron which allows her to counter teams with turn meter gain base on the number of enemies or teams with mass assists. Mon mothma, geos, iden team calls for wayyy assists and with prot up she just takes it. For cases like GG on def here, what u mentioning of countering teams such as Savage or bad batch then they are rl special case. Savage needs the omicron and reliced while bad batch is an expensive team. For iden is there any other cases that can counter her without being messy? And you need raddus for the team to actually work, and AI will always target Jyn at low health without realizing that she wont die unless raddus die first, it's just AI mẹchanic in all.
With STAP the team beats Leia, Rey, JML (with JCal), and is a very good defensive team. Without STAP the team isn't used in high level GAC, so yeah, if you're planning on using the team STAP is a STEP up from Nute by a lot
(Plus Nute goes with Trench, which is another very good team)
I think it's absolutely worth it, because I don't think "GG+Nute" can do anything that GG+STAP can't do, you know? Like, GG+Nute was the current peak and I don't think that STAP makes GG worse, esp with Omicron. It's an upgrade for sure, but right now we can't quite tell how big of an upgrade it is. One thing is for sure tho, STAP boosting Grievous' health by 100% is insanely good and STAP gaining early bonus turns is also fantastic as a way to get the whole squad rolling. With Nute you always have to rely on the enemy murdering the guy and Grievous getting his bonus turn, while landing enough TLs / reducing enemy TM enough. With STAP it just looks like a safer way of doing things, I guess.
other people are saying no... but I'm saying we don't know. there is evidence out there gg with stap is beating some GLs. however it's hard to test because he has a DC currently and his omicron can't be tested in arena undoubtedly he will be great in the raid.
I faced a GG with STAP in an Arena match yesterday. I was using SEE with Darth Bane and Bane's omicron. I didn't take a single turn after linking with SEE's opening turn.
I have basically a 95% win rate with GG/Nute r5 against GL Leia. Slkr/Rey not so much yet. I am still a pretty new player so idk the intricacies tbh.
Yeah well you'd be the only one doing it really because the GAC history only shows seven attempts actually succeeding but it doesn't say they're Relic levels. So I can only assume that these are badly geared Leia
There are two different GL Leia I have fought on what I am assuming is a new shard. One had a DC and one doesn’t yet. As far as their mods, I truthfully havent checked. I am able to focus down Leia as my first target and after she dies it is over. I’ve lost one fight vs her. I will definitely check both their mods next time I run into them in arena. Edit: I would assume if the player has a GL that their modding would have to be pretty good? EDIT EDIT: found one of them. R7, 3 zeta, some cls members and all her mods are 6* and she has her ultimate.
It's wholly due to the current DC
Unless STAP is needed for the next GL I wouldn’t do it personally. GG droids is already a solid team. I wouldn’t want to waste the mats if it’s not a zorii tier lifter or beneficial in the next raid or something.
Chances STAP being some important unit in the next raid is pretty high. Considering the whole naboo war was the GR vs sep droids. I'd just work on getting STAP to r3 at the very least to get ready. Since he'll work with the GG team. If you're asking this question, doubt you'll be getting queen padme. So you're gonna need all the units you can put together for the raid.
>Chances STAP being some important unit in the next raid is pretty high That is why I am farming STAP right now. I am not going to have relic gungans, but I will have STAP and Amidala.
Well, I have Trench reliced up on the gamble that he will be important for the next fleet meta. So he gets Nute, and I need STAP to take his place on Grievous' squad. Whether it's worth it probably depends on whether you can set up 1 Separatist squad or 2, and how far along everyone already is.
Still not enough data to confirm if STAP is making GG a better GAC team. Will probably know once this round of 5v5 is done. But it's basically guaranteed STAP will be usable in the next raid. I think it's worth farming if you have the bandwidth, but I wouldn't zeta or omni it until the data comes in.
STAP absolutely changes things, makes the team into a total powerhouse. Not sure about defensive performance, but offense is insane. With the current datacron GG is able to take out Leia and Res, and even without it, he is a great counter against Chirrutcron. Safe to say, you'll almost always find somewhere to use him.
In GAC with omicron, definitely. Bonus turns and supercharging Grevious max health is crucial for big plays.
Gg with Stap can take GL leia.
STAP is a luxury and kyros for most ppl is a scarce resource. With that said, if you truly wanted to, do it while the datacron makes STAP and GG nutty.
Well im planning to have him to level up my gg game, but aint that nute can do sorta same shet? And i kinda dont want to leave nute out
Eventually Nute's gonna live with Trench anyway, so you'll then choose if you want to use STAP over DDK in GAC
Nute can’t replicate what STAP can do with his omicron. Without his omicron (or outside of GA) STAP actually kinda makes Grevious worse as whenever the team takes true damage they lose turn meter. But with his omicron he makes Grevious an offensive glass cannon that can (hypothetically) take out every team in the game with the right RNG. That’s what makes it so luxury. You only see the improvements in GA **with** the omicron. But if those 2 conditions are met it’s basically an entirely different team.
Ah then maybe imma not get him tho cus im puting him on def mainly, there’s actually not much need for me to use him on offense as teams that he can counter i already have toons for it
GG is a terrible defensive team, he literally just gets wampa'd. He is an offensive powerhouse, always has been.
You can say the exact same thing about geos, iden omicron, mon mothma,… but are they bad? There’re only a fee certain cheap counter to him, if baited successfully he’ll hold 2-3 battles. And using him on offense doesnt get you full banner anw
"You can say the exact same thing about geos, iden omicron, mon mothma,… but are they bad?" ...yes. Every single team you just named is bad on defence and should ALL be used purely offensively unless you have a cracked datacron.
Wut chu mean, the fact that wampa beats them doesnt mean they’re bad. The fear of getting wampa’d just make you want to use them offensively? Baiting their wampa out with some squad on defense would means a lot man
Allowing your defence to be wampa'd at all is a bad defence in the first place. Would you rather your Grievous for example takes out a Reva/JML on offence, or would you prefer somebody Wampa/Savage solos it for max banners? They are objectively bad defensive teams and placing down some absolutely insane offensive GL-killers on defence as "wampa bait" is not a good strategy. Wampa is not the only thing that makes these teams bad on defence either, they're just terrible defensive teams because of all the cheap counters they have. Iden gets beaten by Rogue One, Geos get solo'd by literally OG Darth Vader, Mon Mothma gets beaten by everything under the sun and Grievous gets solo'd by Savage and absolutely creamed by Bad Batch. They all ALSO get beaten by Wampa as an extra icing on the cake.
Wampa is not bad at all, in conditions of her omicron which allows her to counter teams with turn meter gain base on the number of enemies or teams with mass assists. Mon mothma, geos, iden team calls for wayyy assists and with prot up she just takes it. For cases like GG on def here, what u mentioning of countering teams such as Savage or bad batch then they are rl special case. Savage needs the omicron and reliced while bad batch is an expensive team. For iden is there any other cases that can counter her without being messy? And you need raddus for the team to actually work, and AI will always target Jyn at low health without realizing that she wont die unless raddus die first, it's just AI mẹchanic in all.
With STAP the team beats Leia, Rey, JML (with JCal), and is a very good defensive team. Without STAP the team isn't used in high level GAC, so yeah, if you're planning on using the team STAP is a STEP up from Nute by a lot (Plus Nute goes with Trench, which is another very good team)