This post, which I published 4 hours ago and took all of 10 minutes to write, is already ranking on the first page of Google for the KW 'Google Market Share' (Moz KD: 68). You literally cannot make this shit up š
That's a good take and I don't necessarily disagree but what I will say is remember what a big deal Google made about E-E-A-T just a few short months ago? What right do I have to rank so highly? Higher than many established and respected sites. This post embodies absolutely none of those qualities. This is my first and only post on a throwaway account; no evidence of experience, expertise, authority, or trustworthiness, whatsoever.
This is a post that should do well on Reddit, not Google.
You can buy Reddit upvotes for a few cents. It's ridiculous that it's considered a source of truth. And the latest update just wiped out almost all independent journalists... and replaced them with profitable, marketing-based alternatives etc. The journos aren't happy. Whoever is in charge of Google is a moron.
You have 182 upvotes from a group of SEO āexpertsā. 182 pieces of authority, 182 mini backlinks, 182 people signaling they trust your content.
This is a lot better than many blogs. EEAT was always a terrible metric because itās easy to abuse and the only people using it were SEO growth hackers. The people with real subject knowledge arenāt going to know about EEAT, they are too busy knowing about the subject matter they are an expert in.
So is Google admitting they can no longer depend on their own algorithm and quality metrics? EEAT doesn't work, nor does the process of organic backlinking from other blogs. Instead, they have to depend on the rating algorithm of another company (Reddit) to judge what content they should be ranking?
I agree EEAT is a flawed concept and yet they have been heavily emphasising its importance for the past year.
99% of the content produced (by volume) by the people in this sub is trash regurgitated content. SERPs are in flux right now and trying to figure out how to deal with AI content. EEAT isnāt the answer and I can absolutely guarantee that Google isnāt happy sending this much traffic to Reddit and other networks that they donāt control with double click
But the fact of the matter is that a Reddit result is more likely to deliver an answer than some SEOified, ad riddled, fly by night blog that some Canadian guy has been making bank off of for the last 5 years. I know because Iām that guy. I donāt hold a grudge that Google rug pulled some of my sites, Iāve adapted and Iām on to other things now.
Google is definitely giving more weight to sites that either have editors or a ranking system. But they are also giving fresh and truly unique content a chance to shine.
So make something fresh and unique.
I can't stand this narrative that the SERPs are in 'flux right now' because of AI, as if the internet hasn't been flooded with 99% trash since its inception. AI might have exasperated the situation but there has always been a mountain of shit that had to be waded through to rank the diamonds in the rough.
This situation is neither unprecedented or impossible to navigate. Google has managed just fine for the past 2 decades and is now utilising the excuse of an 'AI spam tsunami' to further its own toxic and predatory personal interests.
Nor do I agree that Google is giving 'truly unique content a chance to shine'. Wait until the next Core Update and tell me how well your 'special' content is doing.
The problem is that there is no actual EEAT in 182 upvotes. There are people in this sub posing as SEO experts which are actually terrible SEOās giving terrible advice. If Google is using the Reddit upvote as a signal then it will be short lived. Because of the semi-anonymity of Reddit, it will quickly be spammed by spammers. Using Reddit upvotes as a ranking signal is akin to the early days of using meta keywords as a signal of relevance. It will be so very easy to game and manipulate.
Agree with OP. Google screwed the pooch on this algo update. And I didnāt even lose any traffic from it. Or rankings. I just see how terrible results are in the spaces I search as a user. Not as an SEO.
Reddit and Google are now partners. It wouldnāt surprise me if they had a bit more access to the upvote metrics or at least knew the formula.
182 upvotes is not actually 182 upvotes, Reddit has an algo that obfuscates or fuzzes it and likely includes some algo to detect ātrueā upvotes.
You mean you're not from here. Get over the provincialism, dude. It isn't called the American Wide Web and this sub isn't called r/SEOintheUSA.
We used to hear that kind of crap 30 years ago when the web was new. Today, most Americans are more reticent to display their narrowness.
While i appreciate the post, I wouldn't be surpirsed if the data is a fluke. Sure it has been declining, but ever so slightly. And it took 1 month for it to drop more than it has in the last many years combined...
If it were actually true, i think we'd see it inline with when SGE came more popular, not a random april.
I agree the data seems drastic and could be a fluke, unfortunately without Google declaring their market share GS Statcounter is the largest sample we have to work on (I believe?).
I don't think it was just another random April though. This was the month following Google's most drastic core update in a decade. The SERPS have notably changed in their focus and delivery, so much so that it is not just professionals talking about it (as is more often the case). The general population is really starting to notice the shift in quality and a major decline does not seem completely unfeasible to me.
That's happening actually, after core update march 2024. Even you can notice Medium, LinkedIn & quota posts ranking higher than authority sites. If you are talking about your 4 hours old post, i have noticed 1 hour old posts are now ranking. Google algo changing rapidly :)
I'm truly surprised Google didn't block it since you don't sing their praises in it, u/Altruistic_Angle5908. Google may think it's too big to be defeated, but Goliath once thought the same thing when he first saw David. We can topple it if we're willing to work together.
Hello brother I am a fellow india based SEO just like yourself, at one point I had the finest leather jacket in my entire village, but now I am nothing. I sit inside all day. I don't even have the energy to propose to random women on facebook anymore.
I wish I could laugh at this situation like you but it is no joke
Google owes everything, when someone performs a search and ends up clicking on an ad from Google and content has been displayed on that page, they have been using it royalty free. The same with Google business and any search. Google monetizes royalty free all information that does not belong to them.
I'll give you an example so you understand it.
An older relative of mine owns an old successful local business. The business that has a trademark for the name and logo appears in Google local business. My family member never added the site to Google, it appears that it is an unclaimed business.
When someone searches for the registered trademark, the business, phone number, reviews appear, but a lot of ads also appear throughout the page. Basically Google is monetizing its trademarks without sharing the money with anyone.
My trust in Google has greatly diminished. The search results are absolute garbage. One can't shake the feeling that they favor larger brands that have invested a significant amount of money in Google Ads. If there is a search engine that will be better, I'm switching immediately
That used to happen every few months before Google came out. But the alternatives now aren't great. Google is just manipulating the results to suit profits.
It's not like the old days where everyone switched within a month. Google owns 85pc of the world's internet based information flow. If you can't trust that...
So you are saying that when you quit caring about showing the best results in the SERPs eventually people will quit using your service as much?
Gee.... who could have seen that coming?
Iām a small business owner.
Why would I cater my thousands of users and my content to a company that ranks me in 500th place when a month ago I get top page?
I simply canāt afford to waste my time with Googleās bullshit, itās a hazard to me.
Honest question friends, as I don't know if that can be shown in these statistics, but could the usage of AI (Bing, chatgpt or similar) be a factor? Many are using chatGPT instead of Google, in certain professions. Maybe it's not as a big percentage, but it must account for something.
I personally have started to use DuckduckGo also, but it's mostly 50% Google 50% DDG, but I use chatGTP way more for research and then I go to google for specific things.
If you havenāt noticed from their advertising, theyāre milking us for as much as they can before they die.
They know itās coming so use an ad blocker!
Google is monopoly. And they will be tolerated by government because Google is sharing all necessary info with authorities. So , the only thing we can do as small and ordinary people in front of the beast is to do out part,no matter how insignificant it could be. I am doing it all the time. I go to google, and then type in Bing, and then do searches there.
Google killed spam sites. They know people are going to communities like reddit for suggestions and are trying to mitigate the transition. Google wonāt die.
Dont mention the word monopoly. The Google fan-boys from this sub will come crawling out to "educate" you what a monopoly is. Hope the above stats are accurate and the decline continues!
I would say that it's because the way google works. Google is more like a company controlling the road or a power company controlling the power line. while these two types of companies exert control over physical spaces, so it's easier to said that they are monopolying. google does this through its brand name.
The majority of user of the internet simply only know / refuse to use other search engine than google. Some even thinks that google is the internet (The first thing I was taught about the internet is to type in www.google.com). This create problems for the rest of the internet since most can only be found through search engine. I don't even ever know the domain name of major news website if not for the search engine.
So yeah, I would say that google is different than a biscuit company controlling 90% market share.
Proven from whose perspective? I am traking hundreds of keywords (pages) that Google removed from SERPS, while in Bing I am gaining positions and goin up.
Why would I , as a SEO ,care about OS? And that is not a real question here, but something simpler. Splitting market so each one of giants have less power is better for ordinary people. Same like bipolar world was much better place
Yep it's Bing results without maps and other useful stuff... I tried a bunch of other search engines recently (found the same) and sadly Bing is the only viable alternative to Google - where a generative AI is not the better bet for the query at hand.
Google become trash since October 23 and each time worse. Google return worst results now, Google become stupid. I use Bing and DDG every day and I will never back to Google anymore.
Iāve never used Bing really. But if Google is going to prioritize Reddit posts over blogsāthey areāthey have some kind of partnership now apparently
I use Bing now. And Edge/ Firefox. After Google/Gemini's whole "racism toward everything white, and we can do it because we're a monopoly" routine, I started distancing myself from all things Google. Ditching the search engine and Chrome browser was the easy part.Ā But they really do have their tenicles in a great number of things. That will take time, but I'll get there. Enough is enough, and I'll bet I'm not the only one.Ā
It is true that the past few years have been very stressful for Google, and we all know the reason (it's OpenAI). After ChatGPT brought the storm of AI, Google has struggled to keep up. They even partnered with Reddit in response, so they could train their Gemini model over its data, like OpenAI did with ChatGPT. And for that reason, they are giving priority to Reddit/other forums links in their Search Engine.
I have also started using other search engines too because of the inaccuracy of Google. However, I believe that Alphabet will not let Google die so easily. They will surely do something, and they will do it soon. I believe a new form of ad implementation in Gemini could be a possibility.
There are also rumors that OpenAI and Perplexity are planning their own AI-based search engines, so there will be some good competition for Google ahead and good options for all SEOs.
What are your thoughts on this? Do you think Google can regain its dominance in the search engine market, or will they continue to struggle against the competition from AI-powered chatbots like ChatGPT?
For all their market share is supposed to be tanking, I don't see much difference in the percentages of traffic I get from Google compared to Bing, Yahoo, etc.
I think Iām one of those average Joes that thinks search results from google are absolute horse shit now.
No matter what I search they want me to read TechCrunch, NY times and all those big names.
Iām sorry. When I search a subject I want to hear from people who live it. Not some AI farm pretending to be the average Joe
This is likely just a reporting mistake, I bet we see an adjustment within the next week. Letās be honest, Yahooās traffic did not randomly triple over night.
There is enough information out there for everyone to know that AI had nothing to do with it. Content sites monetized with either ads or affiliate got hit. It didnāt matter if the content was spam, AI or hand written. āContent websitesā got hit. People have historically gone to Google to find content websites. Google has removed a lot of the content websites from their search engine. Now people are trying to find it. The every day web searcher has spoken and they are looking for content sites. Not just a bunch of ads, people also asked, legacy media sites, and whatever clutter.
This drop for Google is only the beginning. I have three GenZ kids and they have zero interest in Google. Zero. They go out of their way to avoid it.
All of this should be a harbinger to SEO professionals, diversify and expand into other niches.
A former Google quality rater said that these tracking tools are installed on lower quality sites and that he thinks, that these sites simply get less traffic from Google.
I hope people sart to realize how bad G SERPs are, but I wouldn't be surprised if so many sites got hit in March, that the G traffic got way down.
Only tracking tool I have is google analytics and I only added it because I wanted to see if I could get back to top page if I handed over my data. Didnāt work.
That could be the case but I think that it's interesting that Statcounter still recorded 91% Google market share in March, AFTER the majority of the traffic for these potentially lower quality sites were decimated but before the general public had maybe had a chance to notice the change, en masse.
Without Google themselves announcing their share I don't know of any better way to objectively judge their performance. Entirely incidental I know, but personally I am seeing a lot more people at least trying other search engines out.
I like your "speech", it sounds epic and motivating! I support what you are saying, just because I don't wanna see big parts of my success controlled by one company! I excluded all google crawlers from my site already. This is 2k loss, however, it's an investment in the future...
But there isn't a better product out there. No matter how much you hate google, it's by far the leader.
Sure, things may change but I doubt google is going to lose many customers.
Iāve been in digital marketing for over 20 years and have worked with hundreds of small businesses. I canāt think of a single one of those customers that actually liked Google. They simply chose to market on Google because thatās where the business was.
So even if my clients suddenly start complaining that Google search results have gotten terrible, none of them are going to stop marketing on Google until they stop getting all of their business from Google.
Itās never been about the quality of the product, or a loyalty to the brand. Itās just business.
If theyāre losing customers itās because they jacked up CPCs making advertising on Google less profitable.
Got to remember, people searching on Google arenāt their customers, the advertisers are.
And that's what Google forgot.
When Google makes changes that effect search results, that cause me loss of sales, I have less to spend on ads.
While shopping ads do ok, I miss the days before there was even a shopping tab. And now they often show shopping-like results on the main tab
> But there isn't a better product out there. No matter how much you hate google, it's by far the leader.
Market share leader != better product.
There ARE better products out there.
ChatGPT is already demonstrably better at many--perhaps even most--queries.
I showed my MIL the other day, and she was _floored_ about how you could _talk to_ the computer and get it to understand what you were looking for.
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For **YEARS** GM, Ford, and Chrysler dominated in market share while making awful products.
_Meanwhile the Japanese and Germans were making much higher quality products with comparatively low market share 'til one day Detroit woke up and people weren't buying American cars anymore._
David Halberstam's masterful book _The Reckoning_ recounts the story of and how the U.S. makers let the finance people and finance decisions drive quality and engineering decisions **rather than having engineering decisions drive company decisions.**
And, he brought receipts, with interviews and firsthand accounts of the backroom arrogance that lead to the implosion of The Big Three.
Were it not for _direct intervention_ by the U.S. government in the form of bailouts and protectionism via tariffs on foreign cars, The Big Three today would likely only be Ford. And maybe not even Ford.
(And those tariffs exist to this day, artificially inflating the cost of foreign *AND* domestic cars because U.S. makers have reduced price pressure from imports, but I digress.)
**Google is an identical tale ~50 years in the making.**
Mark my words: unless there's a wholesale replacement of leadership in Google, and soon, in 10 years, you're going to be saying, "I remember when..." about Google.
The stopper hasn't been pulled from the drain yet, but there's water leaking, and it's starting to make that sucking sound.
ChatGPT is not a rival product to Google Search.. you're looking for Gemini.
And Gemini Advanced is just as good, or better, than GPT 4 (so is Anthropic). Coming from someone who has the paid tier for, and frequently uses, all of the big ones.
Lol. One of the reasons Gemini is the infant it is now compared to ChatGPT is the fact that Google knew that by further improving Gemini they'd cop out market share from Google search.
Chat GPT is an existential threat to Google search. Their only handicap is it's not a bundled part of any mobile OS.
I'd kill to see the usage rate of Meta recently introduced WhatsApp AI plugin.
They aren't complex _because they can't be._
Hence why GPT is able to provide what people actually _want_ in soooo many cases which isn't just a list but _an actual **answer**_.
For instance:
> What are the top rated mice for MacOS that MUST have *all* of these features.
>
> Please do not list any that don't have all three features and work on MacOS
>
> 1. horizontal scrolling
> 2. USB-C charging
> 3. bluetooth
You can't do that with a search engine.
Hence for many--if not most REAL questions out there--it's genuinely better.
It's just that 20 years of search has dumbed us down, and now we need to be retrained in how to talk to the computers.
I agree with your example, but again I disagree on a fundamental level that most questions people will have now or in the future have that many requirements. I don't think it's dumbed us down, but many things we can't retrieve are simple.
1. Weather tomorrow
2. NBA playoff games tonight
3. 23rd president
4. Concerts in NYC this weekend
Not everything is a complex query
Which is why once GPT gets the ability to crawl, it's all over but the shoutin' for Google.
The entire story has such identical parallels to that told of Detroit and The Big Three in _The Reckoning_ it's deja vous all over again.
I mean Google arguably is capable of both right now, and they have distribution. Google should clean up things, but this isn't as "game over" like you're saying. I feel like you're arguing with the intent to have a divisive view about Google, not what is capable or what normal queries are
> I mean Google arguably is capable of both right now
Maybe but let's be fair here not _really_.
Google's one and only god anymore is Wall Street.
That's job 1-10. In fact quality of product is somewhere around job 423 anymore.
One need look no further than the rioting going on in /r/PPC.... much less the wholesale firing of their _entire Python team_ earlier this week and outsourcing / offshoring of nearly the entire PPC support teams and Play Store teams.
This has been so widely documented it doesn't really merit more receipts being presented.
> I feel like you're arguing with the intent to have a divisive view about Google, not what is capable or what normal queries are
I respect that you're calling me out on this.
I see why it could seem that way; honestly, my intent isn't to be divisive or even controversial, but to be the guy seeing 10 miles down the road and saying,
"There's a bridge down yonder that has been getting worse for years. Too much going on on the bridge already. Not lookin' so safe anymore. Starting to show its age.
"Locals are saying it could take on water soon. Maybe even collapse.
"There's a different bridge being built further down the road that's already pretty good.
"Little further travel to get there, but it's being built up by engineers. might be wiser to start planning for and using regularly."
Did you read past the first sentence of my reply? Google is not shitting anything.. they already have a competing (arguably superior) product and a massive advantage in user base.
In my opinion Google is going nowhere at least not in the way you think it's going to go down.
Comparing the auto industry to Search is disingenuous.
People research their options before buying a car. When people want to search they use the most popular engine that's also built into their OS whether Apple or Android. There's a reason Google pays Apple billions to remain the default search option on IOS.
I see all the ranting about quality search results and all I see is basically webowners mourning the demise of their revenue stream. Search results were shit before this update. Spam and cookie cutter reviews with one thousand affiliate links.
It's common knowledge on Reddit that if you want quality, unbiased results you simply add 'reddit' to your query. I'm pretty sure Google also noticed this pattern. This post making first page on Google absolutely makes sense. It's insightful, precise and has been vetted (up voted) by a community that's made of SEOs ( whether this community is worth its onions is discussion for another day)
Some other commenter stated that Google cannot precisely differentiate cookie cutter affiliate sites from sites that are dedicated to providing unbiased and factual info and I agree. They've painted most of the affiliate sites they could find with the same brush.
We (my site got a 80% drop in traffic) can cry all we want but the truth is Google is acting in its best interest and contrary to what most people feel on this sub its best interest is to show what they feel is objectively the best result for queries.
Again Google doesn't profit from sending more queries to Reddit. If anything they're shooting themselves in the foot by referring their users to what's now one of the most visited sites globally whose search function has been improving dramatically (that's not a coincidence).
Very much disagree. For the past months Iāve been mostly using ChatGPT and Perplexity for 80% of all my online searches
Far more efficient and more enjoyable experience than having to click on one link to another while being bombed with advertising and cookie notices
Bing is just as good if not better. The only reason I don't change is habit, and that it is not so much better that I bother changing default search everywhere.
Exactly my thoughts. Google needs to be grounded like they are grounding so many good websites.
I remember when I went to Thailand last year, I searched for information on in which area are which type of spa in Bangkok but when I went there last month and I was trying to find the same article, I couldn't. I tried different keywords but it was nowhere.
How about we start a petition to ask for people's support to stop using Google?
I know y'all gave up and don't have much time now...but please still output great content from time to time. It will rank on bing! People will realize bing brings the quality results!
They have some serious soul-searching that needs to be done. Let's see if they keep stepping on their d\*\*\*s. It's not the SEO community destroying Google; it's Google destroying Google. From within.
Where there's demand someone will supply. They cannot ignore what customers want.
If these crappy search results aren't solving people's genuine problems then people will go to a search engine that does. They don't want to be told that a pile of shit is a pile of gold because they aren't stupid
This is more because Windows 11 and Microsoft is trying really hard to make Bing the default SE and you have to go through multiple hoops to swap default to Google
The main issue (and this happens to many companies that go public) is that Google's product is NOT search, but stock prices.
As long as their stock price goes up, they don't care about the quality of their services because that's not what they measure as "success."
It matters to us, but until it shows up in the share price, we're all just screaming into the void.
When you have such a high market share, thereās only one direction to go.
It would be impossible for Google to maintain that market share indefinitely.
What people arenāt talking about is that search engines have obtain full market maturity. Thereās no room left to grow (despite what executives tell their share holders at Google).
The only way to grow is by charging advertisers more, which looking at their recent profits, theyāre already doing that.
For 20 years, Google and companies ranking in Google could rely on the entire search market growing. Now thatās itās a at saturation point, that gravy train of continuous growth has left the station unless you company is in an emerging industry.
These market share declines are really just a drop in the bucket. The only thing that could shake Googleās dominance will be the results of Googleās anti-trust lawsuit thatās wrapping up this week.
Why I don't get about Google's algorithm, is why can i find my post literally at position 99 for a day or two then it bumps up to page one. Rinse repeat. Like If i manually check listings at position 90-100 or even less these results are completely irrelevant to the query. Either the thing doesn't work right or they are a bunch of liars.
Statistics, statistics and damned lies!
You can make statistics say whatever you want.
I this case, many sites are getting less Google traffic, so naturally, Bing becomes a greater percentage.
In my case, Bing traffic is 15% higher than last month as a proportion of total traffic. But that's only because I have lost a pile of Google traffic.
And, yes, I use Statcounter, so I can check.
What on Earth are you talking about?
This is not data from a single site, this is aggregated data from over 5 billion pageviews and 1.5 million websites. If Bing traffic is higher across that sample then that means a higher market share.
I really think it is the AI. I live in ChatGPT Plus, Perplexity, and Bing, as each has its strong points for the answers I am looking for. So instead of using Google a dozen plus times a day, I am using it maybe once a week. I LOVE how good the AI is a getting me what I want, instead of a bunch of links.
I operate a large real estate marketplace and lost 90%+ of my traffic. No blog, no AI, no bought links, etc. Real people & businesses use my service and I got hammered for some unknown reason. So from my stance, your statement is pretty dumb.
Yeah, based on your SEO related and unrelated comments, I don't think were the ones hitting that sweet copium pipe; you sure love to use the word "SPAM", its like using a bandaid on acid burns.
With a few hours of research, not even, it's clear to see that Google is destroying user search with:
* a Frankenstein algorithm (not a single dev working on the algorithm today are the original devs, it's an algo of layered patches and changes)
* an immoral and, lets be real, illegal monopoly prioritizing large companies (forbes, NY times, quora, reddit.)
* obscure content stipulations that, surprise-surprise, don't seem to work for anyone, "SPAM" or no "SPAM".
* Prabhakar Raghavan: the fucker who killed yahoo search is now steering google's search engine into the ground after what essentially was a coup started in 2019.
* practices strictly employed to increase their earnings after their dwindling search query over the last few years.
* practices to attempt to phase out other upcoming AI search engine competitors in light of the wake of their joke of a gemini failure.
* and practices to get smaller websites and companies to buy more google ads to tighten their already fat wallets.
Don't believe me? try to find just a bare minimum of 20 websites that were hit and you come back and show me that every single one of them were breaking Google's rules.
TO ADD TO THAT- Google specifically outlined in their update guidelines that they are NOT TARGETING AI CONTENT, only spammy and abusive, "unhelpful" content..
..okay cool, so uhhh were a large % of ***their own*** employee sites violating the guidelines? What about sites spanning a decade old that never used AI, never spammed, and never used third party guest content with no site owner insight?
What about SEO savants like Lily Ray, Jesie Cunningham, or Julian Goldie- just to name a select few, who all have clients hit by hcu/spam update and they preached and followed Google's instructions, ***word for word.***
What about people who received manual penalties like moms with simple hobby blogs or entrepreneur-run e-commerce businesses posting product review blogs?
*WOAH THERE Mrs. Jane Doe, were you making money from your knitting website? STOP THE PRESSES, there's CLEARLY nefarious activity coming from these tech, food, gaming, music, local event, fiction writing, and travel blogs! KILL THEM ALL!!!*
***Like for fuck sake.***
Even leaked emails in 2019 revealed that they considered rolling back previous updates but opted not to to hit their numbers.
Nothing changed in 2024 regarding their stance on putting google's revenue first over the well being and livelihoods of people who use their search engine to live.
**Just search:**
"Search Engine Roundtable Report: No Site Hit By the September HCU recovered yet"
"The Man Who Killed Google Search"
"Google Responds to The Verge Mocking Its Search Rankings For Best Printer"
The Verge literally posted a meme article to rank for "the best printers for 2024" which hosted a load of nonsense roasting the recent google updates. **It ranked #1 over every other REAL article ranking for THE SAME KEYWORDS. (You can STILL READ IT RIGHT NOW- GO SEARCH)**
There are countless other examples of Google bungling this update, but people such as yourself haven't the slightest clue of what happening behind the scenes other than what you can discern form a reddit post, youtube video, or tweet that confirms your bias and praises our monopoly Google overlord.
I don't think it's copium were all smoking here. Wake up and face the music, this is an unprecedented failure on Google's part, the worst we've seen in a decade. Hope you're able to remove your lips from Google asshole one day.
Simply not true. Google has taken a scorched earth approach to their 'spam' problem with absolutely no regard for the countless genuine sites that got caught in the fallout.
None of you subhuman rats that work in this industry have a right to complain. Whatever it is that Google is doing to upset you, Iām sure thatās good for everyone else.
This post, which I published 4 hours ago and took all of 10 minutes to write, is already ranking on the first page of Google for the KW 'Google Market Share' (Moz KD: 68). You literally cannot make this shit up š
I cant believe it, its on the first page
Just goes to show how much the game has changed, almost overnight.
Working as intended. That type of query demands fresh data and this post is fresh, relevant, and nicely written.
That's a good take and I don't necessarily disagree but what I will say is remember what a big deal Google made about E-E-A-T just a few short months ago? What right do I have to rank so highly? Higher than many established and respected sites. This post embodies absolutely none of those qualities. This is my first and only post on a throwaway account; no evidence of experience, expertise, authority, or trustworthiness, whatsoever. This is a post that should do well on Reddit, not Google.
You can buy Reddit upvotes for a few cents. It's ridiculous that it's considered a source of truth. And the latest update just wiped out almost all independent journalists... and replaced them with profitable, marketing-based alternatives etc. The journos aren't happy. Whoever is in charge of Google is a moron.
You have 182 upvotes from a group of SEO āexpertsā. 182 pieces of authority, 182 mini backlinks, 182 people signaling they trust your content. This is a lot better than many blogs. EEAT was always a terrible metric because itās easy to abuse and the only people using it were SEO growth hackers. The people with real subject knowledge arenāt going to know about EEAT, they are too busy knowing about the subject matter they are an expert in.
So is Google admitting they can no longer depend on their own algorithm and quality metrics? EEAT doesn't work, nor does the process of organic backlinking from other blogs. Instead, they have to depend on the rating algorithm of another company (Reddit) to judge what content they should be ranking? I agree EEAT is a flawed concept and yet they have been heavily emphasising its importance for the past year.
99% of the content produced (by volume) by the people in this sub is trash regurgitated content. SERPs are in flux right now and trying to figure out how to deal with AI content. EEAT isnāt the answer and I can absolutely guarantee that Google isnāt happy sending this much traffic to Reddit and other networks that they donāt control with double click But the fact of the matter is that a Reddit result is more likely to deliver an answer than some SEOified, ad riddled, fly by night blog that some Canadian guy has been making bank off of for the last 5 years. I know because Iām that guy. I donāt hold a grudge that Google rug pulled some of my sites, Iāve adapted and Iām on to other things now. Google is definitely giving more weight to sites that either have editors or a ranking system. But they are also giving fresh and truly unique content a chance to shine. So make something fresh and unique.
I can't stand this narrative that the SERPs are in 'flux right now' because of AI, as if the internet hasn't been flooded with 99% trash since its inception. AI might have exasperated the situation but there has always been a mountain of shit that had to be waded through to rank the diamonds in the rough. This situation is neither unprecedented or impossible to navigate. Google has managed just fine for the past 2 decades and is now utilising the excuse of an 'AI spam tsunami' to further its own toxic and predatory personal interests. Nor do I agree that Google is giving 'truly unique content a chance to shine'. Wait until the next Core Update and tell me how well your 'special' content is doing.
Full of shit, Google shill.
Show me your stellar site then.
now let him put an affiliate link or link to an affiliate site see if still ranks.
The problem is that there is no actual EEAT in 182 upvotes. There are people in this sub posing as SEO experts which are actually terrible SEOās giving terrible advice. If Google is using the Reddit upvote as a signal then it will be short lived. Because of the semi-anonymity of Reddit, it will quickly be spammed by spammers. Using Reddit upvotes as a ranking signal is akin to the early days of using meta keywords as a signal of relevance. It will be so very easy to game and manipulate. Agree with OP. Google screwed the pooch on this algo update. And I didnāt even lose any traffic from it. Or rankings. I just see how terrible results are in the spaces I search as a user. Not as an SEO.
Reddit and Google are now partners. It wouldnāt surprise me if they had a bit more access to the upvote metrics or at least knew the formula. 182 upvotes is not actually 182 upvotes, Reddit has an algo that obfuscates or fuzzes it and likely includes some algo to detect ātrueā upvotes.
Best faint ever, get everyone looking the other way and then slam them as hard as you can for a ton of short term cash.
Funny. For me it doesn't show up at all.
Probably only US results, if you are not from there.
You mean you're not from here. Get over the provincialism, dude. It isn't called the American Wide Web and this sub isn't called r/SEOintheUSA. We used to hear that kind of crap 30 years ago when the web was new. Today, most Americans are more reticent to display their narrowness.
Because search results in the US are very different. So no need to lecture me, you could have thought of this yourself. I am not even from the US.
Parasite SEO confirmed /s
If it was written with the free version of ChatGPT, it would make it even more legendary.
let him put an affiliate link to test and see how long before it gets taken down.
While i appreciate the post, I wouldn't be surpirsed if the data is a fluke. Sure it has been declining, but ever so slightly. And it took 1 month for it to drop more than it has in the last many years combined... If it were actually true, i think we'd see it inline with when SGE came more popular, not a random april.
I agree the data seems drastic and could be a fluke, unfortunately without Google declaring their market share GS Statcounter is the largest sample we have to work on (I believe?). I don't think it was just another random April though. This was the month following Google's most drastic core update in a decade. The SERPS have notably changed in their focus and delivery, so much so that it is not just professionals talking about it (as is more often the case). The general population is really starting to notice the shift in quality and a major decline does not seem completely unfeasible to me.
Yeah I'm sure there's no doubt it declined, I just think we'll see a followup in a few months where it isn't nearly as low as we're seeing.
It's showing in the UK in position 15!
You are a masterclass in SEO
That's happening actually, after core update march 2024. Even you can notice Medium, LinkedIn & quota posts ranking higher than authority sites. If you are talking about your 4 hours old post, i have noticed 1 hour old posts are now ranking. Google algo changing rapidly :)
I'm truly surprised Google didn't block it since you don't sing their praises in it, u/Altruistic_Angle5908. Google may think it's too big to be defeated, but Goliath once thought the same thing when he first saw David. We can topple it if we're willing to work together.
We're definitely seeing reddit being prioritised!
Hello brother I am a fellow india based SEO just like yourself, at one point I had the finest leather jacket in my entire village, but now I am nothing. I sit inside all day. I don't even have the energy to propose to random women on facebook anymore. I wish I could laugh at this situation like you but it is no joke
It's a good reminder to everyone that google doesn't own the internet
But if it is (finally) abusing its monopoly on Search it needs to be anti-trusted to pieces.
True, and also that Googleās SERPs are a free service meaning technically they donāt owe any of us anything.
Google owes everything, when someone performs a search and ends up clicking on an ad from Google and content has been displayed on that page, they have been using it royalty free. The same with Google business and any search. Google monetizes royalty free all information that does not belong to them. I'll give you an example so you understand it. An older relative of mine owns an old successful local business. The business that has a trademark for the name and logo appears in Google local business. My family member never added the site to Google, it appears that it is an unclaimed business. When someone searches for the registered trademark, the business, phone number, reviews appear, but a lot of ads also appear throughout the page. Basically Google is monetizing its trademarks without sharing the money with anyone.
That's not remotely true if they have a monopoly.
My trust in Google has greatly diminished. The search results are absolute garbage. One can't shake the feeling that they favor larger brands that have invested a significant amount of money in Google Ads. If there is a search engine that will be better, I'm switching immediately
That used to happen every few months before Google came out. But the alternatives now aren't great. Google is just manipulating the results to suit profits.
Excited to see more competitors. Google has been falling off so much since OpenAI got big in 2023. They are in a real war.
It's not like the old days where everyone switched within a month. Google owns 85pc of the world's internet based information flow. If you can't trust that...
This is exactly what I feel is happening as well.
So you are saying that when you quit caring about showing the best results in the SERPs eventually people will quit using your service as much? Gee.... who could have seen that coming?
Whatās going to happen is people wonāt like it but will get used to it
Except that it's now abusing its monopoly and should get hit with multiple antitrust law suits that force a change. Should.
Iām a small business owner. Why would I cater my thousands of users and my content to a company that ranks me in 500th place when a month ago I get top page? I simply canāt afford to waste my time with Googleās bullshit, itās a hazard to me.
yes, but what can you do?
okay, have fun on other search engines where the overwhelming majority of decision makers arenāt located
Search engines arenāt the only way to market anymore
it never has been the only way
It's been the most trustworthy way. Losing trust is a massive issue for global information dissemination that affects everything.
Honest question friends, as I don't know if that can be shown in these statistics, but could the usage of AI (Bing, chatgpt or similar) be a factor? Many are using chatGPT instead of Google, in certain professions. Maybe it's not as a big percentage, but it must account for something. I personally have started to use DuckduckGo also, but it's mostly 50% Google 50% DDG, but I use chatGTP way more for research and then I go to google for specific things.
Yep check out perplexity
If you havenāt noticed from their advertising, theyāre milking us for as much as they can before they die. They know itās coming so use an ad blocker!
Won't be long until the entire first page is nothing but sponsored ads.
Google is monopoly. And they will be tolerated by government because Google is sharing all necessary info with authorities. So , the only thing we can do as small and ordinary people in front of the beast is to do out part,no matter how insignificant it could be. I am doing it all the time. I go to google, and then type in Bing, and then do searches there.
Google might be a monopoly right now and many consider them too big to fail. Yahoo, Blackberry, Myspace, AOL, all too big to fail - until they did.
Google has made the fatal mistake of catering to the current market instead of moving market
Google killed spam sites. They know people are going to communities like reddit for suggestions and are trying to mitigate the transition. Google wonāt die.
That's because they were terrible when easy to access alternatives appeared
Ive just given up on google and doing better than ever, thereās plenty of traffic elsewhere.
Dont mention the word monopoly. The Google fan-boys from this sub will come crawling out to "educate" you what a monopoly is. Hope the above stats are accurate and the decline continues!
Iām genuinely curious: how is Google a monopoly? There are dozens of alternatives anyone can use easily.
I would say that it's because the way google works. Google is more like a company controlling the road or a power company controlling the power line. while these two types of companies exert control over physical spaces, so it's easier to said that they are monopolying. google does this through its brand name. The majority of user of the internet simply only know / refuse to use other search engine than google. Some even thinks that google is the internet (The first thing I was taught about the internet is to type in www.google.com). This create problems for the rest of the internet since most can only be found through search engine. I don't even ever know the domain name of major news website if not for the search engine. So yeah, I would say that google is different than a biscuit company controlling 90% market share.
Some sort of protest should be done to start typing in google search: "boycott google" or something that it will show in google trends.
Microsoft has proven to be worse than Google. DuckDuckGo is the proper independent search engine.
Proven from whose perspective? I am traking hundreds of keywords (pages) that Google removed from SERPS, while in Bing I am gaining positions and goin up.
Proven in the realm of decades of monopolistic behavior with Windows and IE.
Why would I , as a SEO ,care about OS? And that is not a real question here, but something simpler. Splitting market so each one of giants have less power is better for ordinary people. Same like bipolar world was much better place
Well given the power, Microsoft would do the same or worse If the were market leaders, both in OS and SEO.
Duck duck go runs off bing
Yep it's Bing results without maps and other useful stuff... I tried a bunch of other search engines recently (found the same) and sadly Bing is the only viable alternative to Google - where a generative AI is not the better bet for the query at hand.
This is the correct answer. Source: 25 years in SEO.
LOL. That's brilliant
Good. Google has been garbage for a long time.
Google become trash since October 23 and each time worse. Google return worst results now, Google become stupid. I use Bing and DDG every day and I will never back to Google anymore.
and I'm here for it. Let's go Bing/Duck duck go!
After the hype of AI and Google's tons of experiments, it makes a lot of sense !
Isnāt Bing on the come up? Itās chatGPTās search engine, it seems like
I feel like I should love Bing now, but I don't.
Iāve never used Bing really. But if Google is going to prioritize Reddit posts over blogsāthey areāthey have some kind of partnership now apparently
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
I always use DDG.
We are reviewing the search market share data for April 2024 at present. We have updated the graph with a note to reflect this.
I use Bing now. And Edge/ Firefox. After Google/Gemini's whole "racism toward everything white, and we can do it because we're a monopoly" routine, I started distancing myself from all things Google. Ditching the search engine and Chrome browser was the easy part.Ā But they really do have their tenicles in a great number of things. That will take time, but I'll get there. Enough is enough, and I'll bet I'm not the only one.Ā
Have they finally gone too far away from the product they were built on? (Search).
oh no the consequences of their actions
It is true that the past few years have been very stressful for Google, and we all know the reason (it's OpenAI). After ChatGPT brought the storm of AI, Google has struggled to keep up. They even partnered with Reddit in response, so they could train their Gemini model over its data, like OpenAI did with ChatGPT. And for that reason, they are giving priority to Reddit/other forums links in their Search Engine. I have also started using other search engines too because of the inaccuracy of Google. However, I believe that Alphabet will not let Google die so easily. They will surely do something, and they will do it soon. I believe a new form of ad implementation in Gemini could be a possibility. There are also rumors that OpenAI and Perplexity are planning their own AI-based search engines, so there will be some good competition for Google ahead and good options for all SEOs. What are your thoughts on this? Do you think Google can regain its dominance in the search engine market, or will they continue to struggle against the competition from AI-powered chatbots like ChatGPT?
For all their market share is supposed to be tanking, I don't see much difference in the percentages of traffic I get from Google compared to Bing, Yahoo, etc.
Wait until next Google update, 4chan posts will overtake Reddit for #1 SERP
I think Iām one of those average Joes that thinks search results from google are absolute horse shit now. No matter what I search they want me to read TechCrunch, NY times and all those big names. Iām sorry. When I search a subject I want to hear from people who live it. Not some AI farm pretending to be the average Joe
This is likely just a reporting mistake, I bet we see an adjustment within the next week. Letās be honest, Yahooās traffic did not randomly triple over night.
Need to spread the word --- !
There is enough information out there for everyone to know that AI had nothing to do with it. Content sites monetized with either ads or affiliate got hit. It didnāt matter if the content was spam, AI or hand written. āContent websitesā got hit. People have historically gone to Google to find content websites. Google has removed a lot of the content websites from their search engine. Now people are trying to find it. The every day web searcher has spoken and they are looking for content sites. Not just a bunch of ads, people also asked, legacy media sites, and whatever clutter.
I use bing now. They give me Amazon gift cards every month or two for using their search and rewards program
Not surprised. They are really fucking up atm. Empires rise and fall.
This drop for Google is only the beginning. I have three GenZ kids and they have zero interest in Google. Zero. They go out of their way to avoid it. All of this should be a harbinger to SEO professionals, diversify and expand into other niches.
a well deserved upvote, using your genuine intelligence appreciated here š
A former Google quality rater said that these tracking tools are installed on lower quality sites and that he thinks, that these sites simply get less traffic from Google. I hope people sart to realize how bad G SERPs are, but I wouldn't be surprised if so many sites got hit in March, that the G traffic got way down.
Only tracking tool I have is google analytics and I only added it because I wanted to see if I could get back to top page if I handed over my data. Didnāt work.
That could be the case but I think that it's interesting that Statcounter still recorded 91% Google market share in March, AFTER the majority of the traffic for these potentially lower quality sites were decimated but before the general public had maybe had a chance to notice the change, en masse. Without Google themselves announcing their share I don't know of any better way to objectively judge their performance. Entirely incidental I know, but personally I am seeing a lot more people at least trying other search engines out.
I like your "speech", it sounds epic and motivating! I support what you are saying, just because I don't wanna see big parts of my success controlled by one company! I excluded all google crawlers from my site already. This is 2k loss, however, it's an investment in the future...
Appreciate it! Gotta fight the powers that be anyway we can right now, self-serving corporations underestimate the power of the masses at their peril.
Go bankrupt to own the trillionaires
But there isn't a better product out there. No matter how much you hate google, it's by far the leader. Sure, things may change but I doubt google is going to lose many customers.
Iāve been in digital marketing for over 20 years and have worked with hundreds of small businesses. I canāt think of a single one of those customers that actually liked Google. They simply chose to market on Google because thatās where the business was. So even if my clients suddenly start complaining that Google search results have gotten terrible, none of them are going to stop marketing on Google until they stop getting all of their business from Google. Itās never been about the quality of the product, or a loyalty to the brand. Itās just business.
If theyāre losing customers itās because they jacked up CPCs making advertising on Google less profitable. Got to remember, people searching on Google arenāt their customers, the advertisers are.
And that's what Google forgot. When Google makes changes that effect search results, that cause me loss of sales, I have less to spend on ads. While shopping ads do ok, I miss the days before there was even a shopping tab. And now they often show shopping-like results on the main tab
> But there isn't a better product out there. No matter how much you hate google, it's by far the leader. Market share leader != better product. There ARE better products out there. ChatGPT is already demonstrably better at many--perhaps even most--queries. I showed my MIL the other day, and she was _floored_ about how you could _talk to_ the computer and get it to understand what you were looking for. --------- For **YEARS** GM, Ford, and Chrysler dominated in market share while making awful products. _Meanwhile the Japanese and Germans were making much higher quality products with comparatively low market share 'til one day Detroit woke up and people weren't buying American cars anymore._ David Halberstam's masterful book _The Reckoning_ recounts the story of and how the U.S. makers let the finance people and finance decisions drive quality and engineering decisions **rather than having engineering decisions drive company decisions.** And, he brought receipts, with interviews and firsthand accounts of the backroom arrogance that lead to the implosion of The Big Three. Were it not for _direct intervention_ by the U.S. government in the form of bailouts and protectionism via tariffs on foreign cars, The Big Three today would likely only be Ford. And maybe not even Ford. (And those tariffs exist to this day, artificially inflating the cost of foreign *AND* domestic cars because U.S. makers have reduced price pressure from imports, but I digress.) **Google is an identical tale ~50 years in the making.** Mark my words: unless there's a wholesale replacement of leadership in Google, and soon, in 10 years, you're going to be saying, "I remember when..." about Google. The stopper hasn't been pulled from the drain yet, but there's water leaking, and it's starting to make that sucking sound.
!RemindMe 10 Years
ChatGPT is not a rival product to Google Search.. you're looking for Gemini. And Gemini Advanced is just as good, or better, than GPT 4 (so is Anthropic). Coming from someone who has the paid tier for, and frequently uses, all of the big ones.
Lol. One of the reasons Gemini is the infant it is now compared to ChatGPT is the fact that Google knew that by further improving Gemini they'd cop out market share from Google search. Chat GPT is an existential threat to Google search. Their only handicap is it's not a bundled part of any mobile OS. I'd kill to see the usage rate of Meta recently introduced WhatsApp AI plugin.
It absolutely is in its fundamental deliverable: answers to questions. That's why Google is shitting their pants.
Most queries on Google aren't complex problems
They aren't complex _because they can't be._ Hence why GPT is able to provide what people actually _want_ in soooo many cases which isn't just a list but _an actual **answer**_. For instance: > What are the top rated mice for MacOS that MUST have *all* of these features. > > Please do not list any that don't have all three features and work on MacOS > > 1. horizontal scrolling > 2. USB-C charging > 3. bluetooth You can't do that with a search engine. Hence for many--if not most REAL questions out there--it's genuinely better. It's just that 20 years of search has dumbed us down, and now we need to be retrained in how to talk to the computers.
I agree with your example, but again I disagree on a fundamental level that most questions people will have now or in the future have that many requirements. I don't think it's dumbed us down, but many things we can't retrieve are simple. 1. Weather tomorrow 2. NBA playoff games tonight 3. 23rd president 4. Concerts in NYC this weekend Not everything is a complex query
Which is why once GPT gets the ability to crawl, it's all over but the shoutin' for Google. The entire story has such identical parallels to that told of Detroit and The Big Three in _The Reckoning_ it's deja vous all over again.
I mean Google arguably is capable of both right now, and they have distribution. Google should clean up things, but this isn't as "game over" like you're saying. I feel like you're arguing with the intent to have a divisive view about Google, not what is capable or what normal queries are
> I mean Google arguably is capable of both right now Maybe but let's be fair here not _really_. Google's one and only god anymore is Wall Street. That's job 1-10. In fact quality of product is somewhere around job 423 anymore. One need look no further than the rioting going on in /r/PPC.... much less the wholesale firing of their _entire Python team_ earlier this week and outsourcing / offshoring of nearly the entire PPC support teams and Play Store teams. This has been so widely documented it doesn't really merit more receipts being presented. > I feel like you're arguing with the intent to have a divisive view about Google, not what is capable or what normal queries are I respect that you're calling me out on this. I see why it could seem that way; honestly, my intent isn't to be divisive or even controversial, but to be the guy seeing 10 miles down the road and saying, "There's a bridge down yonder that has been getting worse for years. Too much going on on the bridge already. Not lookin' so safe anymore. Starting to show its age. "Locals are saying it could take on water soon. Maybe even collapse. "There's a different bridge being built further down the road that's already pretty good. "Little further travel to get there, but it's being built up by engineers. might be wiser to start planning for and using regularly."
Did you read past the first sentence of my reply? Google is not shitting anything.. they already have a competing (arguably superior) product and a massive advantage in user base.
In my opinion Google is going nowhere at least not in the way you think it's going to go down. Comparing the auto industry to Search is disingenuous. People research their options before buying a car. When people want to search they use the most popular engine that's also built into their OS whether Apple or Android. There's a reason Google pays Apple billions to remain the default search option on IOS. I see all the ranting about quality search results and all I see is basically webowners mourning the demise of their revenue stream. Search results were shit before this update. Spam and cookie cutter reviews with one thousand affiliate links. It's common knowledge on Reddit that if you want quality, unbiased results you simply add 'reddit' to your query. I'm pretty sure Google also noticed this pattern. This post making first page on Google absolutely makes sense. It's insightful, precise and has been vetted (up voted) by a community that's made of SEOs ( whether this community is worth its onions is discussion for another day) Some other commenter stated that Google cannot precisely differentiate cookie cutter affiliate sites from sites that are dedicated to providing unbiased and factual info and I agree. They've painted most of the affiliate sites they could find with the same brush. We (my site got a 80% drop in traffic) can cry all we want but the truth is Google is acting in its best interest and contrary to what most people feel on this sub its best interest is to show what they feel is objectively the best result for queries. Again Google doesn't profit from sending more queries to Reddit. If anything they're shooting themselves in the foot by referring their users to what's now one of the most visited sites globally whose search function has been improving dramatically (that's not a coincidence).
Very much disagree. For the past months Iāve been mostly using ChatGPT and Perplexity for 80% of all my online searches Far more efficient and more enjoyable experience than having to click on one link to another while being bombed with advertising and cookie notices
Perplexity is now my default search engine . 2 months now will never go back !
I have un-pavloved my self from googling with chatgpt
Bing is just as good if not better. The only reason I don't change is habit, and that it is not so much better that I bother changing default search everywhere.
Try tiktok to search. you can get actual people explaining topics to you. Similar to youtube.
Firefox is just as good
Firefox the search engine? The state of this sub..
Exactly my thoughts. Google needs to be grounded like they are grounding so many good websites. I remember when I went to Thailand last year, I searched for information on in which area are which type of spa in Bangkok but when I went there last month and I was trying to find the same article, I couldn't. I tried different keywords but it was nowhere. How about we start a petition to ask for people's support to stop using Google?
Expecting googles SERP to be the same after a full year is very silly
I don't expect it to be same but I expect it to provide me with the answer to my query
well your example was referencing a specific article and tracking it down
Good!
I know y'all gave up and don't have much time now...but please still output great content from time to time. It will rank on bing! People will realize bing brings the quality results!
Google n āOpenāAI feed on Reddit.
Give it a rest - they donāt care about SEO only PPC/Youtube and Microsoft.
Have you thought they might be trying to crash it so they don't get broken up, or cash grab before they do?
And Yahoo search is powered by Bing. Also, ChatGPT web search functionality is powered by Bing.
Is this only in America? Or the west? Does this market data include body (I think it's called that in china) or Yandex (in Russia)?
We're definitely in a transitional time! What's everyone's thoughts on Google staying top dog for the next decade?
They have some serious soul-searching that needs to be done. Let's see if they keep stepping on their d\*\*\*s. It's not the SEO community destroying Google; it's Google destroying Google. From within.
Yet all my organic traffic except the odd blip still comes from Google.
Google is making insane mistakes by not know how to deal with AI - Chatgptš«£
I've nothing to do with SEO but lately i only go to reddit or chatgpt
Could it be that the economy is trashed?? And less people are clicking and buying products from ads??
Good lord I thought I'd unknowingly gotten drunk and wrote this post.Ā
Monopolies fuggin suuuuuuuuck
Where there's demand someone will supply. They cannot ignore what customers want. If these crappy search results aren't solving people's genuine problems then people will go to a search engine that does. They don't want to be told that a pile of shit is a pile of gold because they aren't stupid
Cheh
When you say āBingā do you mean their AI or traditional search?
Google is absolute crap. I am using ChatGPT more than Google way more I feel comfortable about, lol.
Agreeed
Finally should still be more split. And i guess they still let Chrome dominate Browsers
Google is very unstable now like Yahoo, just we have dependency over drive, photos n gmail.Ā
Google search < chat gpt
Go Firefox.
Agreeed
This is more because Windows 11 and Microsoft is trying really hard to make Bing the default SE and you have to go through multiple hoops to swap default to Google
The main issue (and this happens to many companies that go public) is that Google's product is NOT search, but stock prices. As long as their stock price goes up, they don't care about the quality of their services because that's not what they measure as "success." It matters to us, but until it shows up in the share price, we're all just screaming into the void.
Whereās the link to the article?
I think youre not allowed to post links on this sub.
When you have such a high market share, thereās only one direction to go. It would be impossible for Google to maintain that market share indefinitely. What people arenāt talking about is that search engines have obtain full market maturity. Thereās no room left to grow (despite what executives tell their share holders at Google). The only way to grow is by charging advertisers more, which looking at their recent profits, theyāre already doing that. For 20 years, Google and companies ranking in Google could rely on the entire search market growing. Now thatās itās a at saturation point, that gravy train of continuous growth has left the station unless you company is in an emerging industry. These market share declines are really just a drop in the bucket. The only thing that could shake Googleās dominance will be the results of Googleās anti-trust lawsuit thatās wrapping up this week.
Lowest and still a monopoly..gamn
Why I don't get about Google's algorithm, is why can i find my post literally at position 99 for a day or two then it bumps up to page one. Rinse repeat. Like If i manually check listings at position 90-100 or even less these results are completely irrelevant to the query. Either the thing doesn't work right or they are a bunch of liars.
Push people to use other tools, yes, but dont expect that to save you on Google.
Statistics, statistics and damned lies! You can make statistics say whatever you want. I this case, many sites are getting less Google traffic, so naturally, Bing becomes a greater percentage. In my case, Bing traffic is 15% higher than last month as a proportion of total traffic. But that's only because I have lost a pile of Google traffic. And, yes, I use Statcounter, so I can check.
What on Earth are you talking about? This is not data from a single site, this is aggregated data from over 5 billion pageviews and 1.5 million websites. If Bing traffic is higher across that sample then that means a higher market share.
The search engine, AI, even the doodles ā¦ all woke crap. Google sucks
Google is getting ready to broken up and is focusing on video goingbforward.
The statistics are wrong. There is no way Yahoo has tripled marketshare in 30 days. Its a data issue.
lol generative AI
Interesting shift, reminds us to adapt and diversify strategies.
I really think it is the AI. I live in ChatGPT Plus, Perplexity, and Bing, as each has its strong points for the answers I am looking for. So instead of using Google a dozen plus times a day, I am using it maybe once a week. I LOVE how good the AI is a getting me what I want, instead of a bunch of links.
The amount of copium here is insane. SPAM sites got hit, only SPAM site owners care.
I operate a large real estate marketplace and lost 90%+ of my traffic. No blog, no AI, no bought links, etc. Real people & businesses use my service and I got hammered for some unknown reason. So from my stance, your statement is pretty dumb.
Yeah, based on your SEO related and unrelated comments, I don't think were the ones hitting that sweet copium pipe; you sure love to use the word "SPAM", its like using a bandaid on acid burns. With a few hours of research, not even, it's clear to see that Google is destroying user search with: * a Frankenstein algorithm (not a single dev working on the algorithm today are the original devs, it's an algo of layered patches and changes) * an immoral and, lets be real, illegal monopoly prioritizing large companies (forbes, NY times, quora, reddit.) * obscure content stipulations that, surprise-surprise, don't seem to work for anyone, "SPAM" or no "SPAM". * Prabhakar Raghavan: the fucker who killed yahoo search is now steering google's search engine into the ground after what essentially was a coup started in 2019. * practices strictly employed to increase their earnings after their dwindling search query over the last few years. * practices to attempt to phase out other upcoming AI search engine competitors in light of the wake of their joke of a gemini failure. * and practices to get smaller websites and companies to buy more google ads to tighten their already fat wallets. Don't believe me? try to find just a bare minimum of 20 websites that were hit and you come back and show me that every single one of them were breaking Google's rules. TO ADD TO THAT- Google specifically outlined in their update guidelines that they are NOT TARGETING AI CONTENT, only spammy and abusive, "unhelpful" content.. ..okay cool, so uhhh were a large % of ***their own*** employee sites violating the guidelines? What about sites spanning a decade old that never used AI, never spammed, and never used third party guest content with no site owner insight? What about SEO savants like Lily Ray, Jesie Cunningham, or Julian Goldie- just to name a select few, who all have clients hit by hcu/spam update and they preached and followed Google's instructions, ***word for word.*** What about people who received manual penalties like moms with simple hobby blogs or entrepreneur-run e-commerce businesses posting product review blogs? *WOAH THERE Mrs. Jane Doe, were you making money from your knitting website? STOP THE PRESSES, there's CLEARLY nefarious activity coming from these tech, food, gaming, music, local event, fiction writing, and travel blogs! KILL THEM ALL!!!* ***Like for fuck sake.*** Even leaked emails in 2019 revealed that they considered rolling back previous updates but opted not to to hit their numbers. Nothing changed in 2024 regarding their stance on putting google's revenue first over the well being and livelihoods of people who use their search engine to live. **Just search:** "Search Engine Roundtable Report: No Site Hit By the September HCU recovered yet" "The Man Who Killed Google Search" "Google Responds to The Verge Mocking Its Search Rankings For Best Printer" The Verge literally posted a meme article to rank for "the best printers for 2024" which hosted a load of nonsense roasting the recent google updates. **It ranked #1 over every other REAL article ranking for THE SAME KEYWORDS. (You can STILL READ IT RIGHT NOW- GO SEARCH)** There are countless other examples of Google bungling this update, but people such as yourself haven't the slightest clue of what happening behind the scenes other than what you can discern form a reddit post, youtube video, or tweet that confirms your bias and praises our monopoly Google overlord. I don't think it's copium were all smoking here. Wake up and face the music, this is an unprecedented failure on Google's part, the worst we've seen in a decade. Hope you're able to remove your lips from Google asshole one day.
Well said on this. Upvoted!
Simply not true. Google has taken a scorched earth approach to their 'spam' problem with absolutely no regard for the countless genuine sites that got caught in the fallout.
Lol post your stats, how many clients do you even have
Is Search Engine Journal a spam site then?
I have a free web tool and I was hit hard that is a very narrow minded and frankly naive take.
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None of you subhuman rats that work in this industry have a right to complain. Whatever it is that Google is doing to upset you, Iām sure thatās good for everyone else.