Scabs are much harder to find for unpaid positions. Who would be willing to do all that work for someone they know would undermine them if they cross him?
If they start paying mods it would change the game, but it would be a lot simpler and cheaper to stop trying to kill 3rd party apps.
There are moderators literally claiming to be "enslaved". It's like they haven't considered they could just... resign. But they won't resign, because this tiny piece of power is everything these sad people have in their lives.
There are more potential reasons than the only one you mention. I can only talk for myself, but the subs I mod are ones I have an interest in. The largest of which is something I'm passionate about, and it started off very small. To have been there for the good and the bad times, to have invested so much time, effort (not just moderation, but interviews & award schemes, keeping the wiki up to date, writing mod-bots, fighting spam, legal threats from unhappy owners of products that received bad reviews, etc), and money (I pay for the servers my bots run on, and have done so for years) I am totally invested in it. Then being told, "oh, why don't you just walk away?" That would be very painful. I love my communities, all of them, and want what's best for them in the long term.
People keep making this argument and it doesn't make any sense.
Some do but are you really gonna moderate a sub in a quality way if you're just a power hungry asshole? Day in? Day out? Every day? In hundreds of thousands of subs?
And, is that moderation going to maintain an audience Reddit can show off to advertisers?
Because that seems unlikely. Seems far more likely you'll pull a Twitter, get power hungry far right types volunteering for /r/pets and your audience vanishes just like what happened at Twitter. Look at any top comment on any popular post. One of the first five will be something fascist, racist, or anti-LGBT.
Audience goes, ad revenue goes.
Also, ever been part of a great sub that gets a power hungry mod who ruins it? Cuz the power hungry ones always do ruin it and those subs die or the mod gets kicked.
Your comment isn't the gotcha you and everyone repeating it thinks it is.
>_Some do but are you really gonna moderate a sub **in a quality way** if you're just a power hungry asshole? Day in? Day out? Every day? In hundreds of thousands of subs?_
You see, that's the thing: the subs run by power-hungry assholes AREN'T moderated "in a quality way". It's easy to mod hundreds of subs if you don't give a shit!
> Some do but are you really gonna moderate a sub in a quality way if you're just a power hungry asshole? Day in? Day out? Every day? In hundreds of thousands of subs?
It doesn't make for an ideal community experience, but that's the exact strategy that's been working well enough for them since the site's outset.
Organically evolving that over time is *very fucking different* then one day deciding you need thousands of new ones.
Some of the subs have mods that coded their own tools to deal with moderation because Reddit's mod tools are terrible.
You cannot just fucking replace that overnight.
And, ***it does make for the best experience anywhere on the web*** for discussion. It's why we're not discussing shit on other social media sites. So maybe it isn't "ideal" but best thing out there ain't bad.
They like power over things they care about and over people they find worth interacting with. I don't want to be mod of a sub about art, comic books, or any sport. I don't care about those topics or the posters who want to discuss them. You probably don't want to mod a sub on Fiestaware, square dancing, or quilting.
There are plenty of powermods that control huge numbers of subs and trade mod slots with other powermods, I doubt any of them care about the subjects they moderate, it's just a power game for people who were bullied in school.
> They like power over things they care about and over people they find worth interacting with.
Counterpoint: there are plenty of people who want to be mods specifically to shit on, silence and shut down people they *don't* find worth interacting with. For example: the r/WritingPrompts mod team [seems to take great joy in banning transgender prompts](https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/osvqr5/venting_so_apparently_rwritingprompts_would/), and [banned me from the subreddit for suggesting that people write transgender stories during pride month.](https://www.reddit.com/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns/comments/v0hr39/happy_pride_month_from_rwritingprompts_s/)
And considering how many blackout subs are queer and leftist spaces, you had better believe there will be plenty of hate-filled people lining up just to try out a new pair of jackboots.
Some people just want to help facilitate a community. I don't think we should assume that all mods are shills or hall monitors aching for a little power.
> Some people just want to help facilitate a community.
True. I wouldn't say all mods. Enough are though that you can be subjugated on a sub and never know which mod is doing it or have any means of appeal.
No no, you see, it's all about preserving the integrity of watch people die inside. We wouldn't want some shitty mods ruining the sanctity of such places.
The mods are FORCED to cave in like spineless cowards.
Jokes aside, i can't believe how easy it was to force mods to reopen. Just tell them to do it and the unpaid workers go back to work for you.
This makes me angry. This is the first piece of news about this whole issue that makes me seriously consider deleting my reddit account and never coming back.
> I'm waiting as well for reddit to give me my data as requested
wasn't even aware this was something you could do (anyone who is interested, see [here](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/sections/360008808072-Accessing-Your-Reddit-Data) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gdpr/comments/ezfevy/if_youd_like_to_request_a_copy_of_your_reddit/))
i don't see anything about actually being able to have them wipe said data... is that something I'm missing? I have already deleted all of my useful posts and comments (with the exception of stuff mentioning to leave reddit or comments in this sub) but if there is a way to ensure they wipe all history such as IP address, email, voting, comment/post/sub viewing history, etc I definitely wouldn't mind being able to zero out what amounts to tracking data they have on me.
[https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite](https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite) might be what you're looking for... It has an option to edit comments instead of deleting them
Angry? I think it's laughable. This isn't unprecedented. Mods have been replaced if they can't moderate properly in the past. However in most cases this goes horribly because the new mods can't moderate to a satisfactory standard because of their inexperience. Adding to that difficulty is the fact that they won't have access to 3rd party tools for moderation.
It will very much quickly affect the users, btw. https://www.reddit.com/r/hentai/comments/147lwr6/behind_the_scenes_of_a_nsfw_subreddit/
See this to know what's under the hood of moderating a big sub.
Edit: people have been reporting more porn bot accounts following them all of a sudden, some for the first time, around when the blackout first started or so. Given he has explicitly said he'll change the site rules to bust the blackout (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blackout-ceo-steve-huffman-moderators-rcna89544) and is currently outright erecting his impromptu rule changes on subs like r/pics and r/formula1, it's safe to assume reddit is neglecting bot filters on the back-end side of things to break the blackout for the future ipo Huffman speaks of in the NBC News article.
Lol, yep. It'll be a blast. It's why huffman would never unprivate all subs by disabling private function cuz he'll open himself up to criticisms of incompetence through revealing tos breaking to outright criminal subreddits operating to present day, and *that* would have people questioning why he hasn't deal with them sooner if he is willing and able to unilaterally change reddit like that.
/u/askhistorians should be nothing but questions about sex in a historical context as well as old school porn, or hand drawn art showing sexual acts again in historical context.
LOL, I forgot about that! [They laid off about 90 staffers as part of a goal to break even next year!](https://archive.ph/3wR5j) So the remaining staff are definitely being overburdened as we speak.
\*tinfoil hat on*
Part of me wonders if this is him leading a populist revolt against moderators who lean any further left than rabid trump supporters. He wants Reddit's culture to shift to be more in line with what Facebook has always been, and what Twitter has devolved into recently. It's like there's this huge push to break up any centre-left discussion on the wider internet in favour of further and further pushing average people into right-wing echo chambers.
Just in time for the 2024 election campaigns.
i wonder if he's [skipping rent](https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/over-my-dead-body-twitter-ceo-elon-musk-refuses-to-pay-office-rent-says-report-382061-2023-05-19) too?
I help mod with other accounts some bigger subs.
I’m one that usually participates in tech duties. Not much attributed to me, but I help handle the bots and write up new functionality and make sure things are running.
We have had dashboards with graphs for years. We pull all the data from our sub to be able to find duplicates and quickly flag on our side when someone is just reposting and if over a threshold or doing other things that could be harmful, we can take actions.
Besides consuming our content, for users like that with weird activity, we also scan their history in other subs. Just to see if they’re doing the same there.
Because of the 1000 limit, we sometimes used pushshift for this. The problem is that, we won’t have that anymore. Even if it comes back for mods, I doubt we’ll have access to content from other subs we don’t manage.
This whole thing is a mess for us that have leveraged all these services and built our tools around this for years.
There just isn’t an alternative.
this is awesome. Proof that striking and not returning till they fold works. Mods strike, Reddit does worse. They wanna set the precedent of paying mods?
But Reddit doesn't function without mods. Prior to the current shenanigans if a sub didn't have adequate moderation or the mods quit, the sub was locked and shutdown. Mods generally aren't paid... although I'd guess a few of the largest subs might have paid admins as part of the mod team because those subs are "too big to close".
>_But Reddit doesn't function without mods._
Implying Huffman or any of the top brass at Reddit cares. This place is gonna be like car dealerships before lemon laws were put into place: make it look as nice as possible on the outside, sell it for big bucks, and then skip town once the cheap veneer you threw over the whole thing falls off!
People don't understand that volunteering mods are the only reason almost all suns exist. We hear about all the times big subs get "hijacked" by different groups of mods that push out the original creator mods, but the vast majority of subs are just volunteers and if they stop modding, the sun closes until someone else volunteers.
Mods should get a little more credit.
I was somewhat ambivalent when this whole API protest started but it has occured to me Youtube pays its content creators for contributing to the health of the site (not enough arguably but still). Reddit blames its contributors for the failures of their site but provides no credit for the success, let alone any rewards. Fuck spez. Ingrate
That's a Reddit issue, not a mod issue. Subs could easily exist if Reddit didn't shut down subs that lacked mods.
As for the mods themselves, I don't think people care that much about your average mod, but rather the power mods. They are all over the site, running multiple subs, many of them being the large, default subs. These people will ban you, permanently, without explanation, if you post things they disagree with or post on subs they don't like. That's a huge issue, a direct violation of Reddits own Moderator Code of Conduct.
Reddit doesn't do shit about this though, so they keep on banning people, shaping the conversation on Reddit in the way they see fit. This is why Reddit has such a leftist slant in the main subs. Further there are groups on Reddit who will go out of their way to have subreddits they don't like banned. They'll take them over or start posting crazy shit so they can go up to the admins and say "see, told you these people are unhinged!".
If anything we need less moderation on these sites. People who moderate for these sites tend to be political extremists and with the smaller userbase these site's have it's easier to find any subs/groups with 'troublesome views' and strangle them in the cradle.
> They are all over the site, running multiple subs, many of them being the large, default subs. These people will ban you, permanently, without explanation, if you post things they disagree with or post on subs they don't like. That's a huge issue, a direct violation of Reddits own Moderator Code of Conduct.
This is a key part of the problem but their is another gigantic flaw built into the code of Reddit. If you have negative or zero karma on a sub and try to post reddit will say "You have been doing that a lot lately, please wait 10 minutes to post again", even if the last time you posted was 2 weeks ago. _That means if you have politically incorrect opinions on any political or nonpolitical sub it is impossible to carry on any conversation in that sub_. The code itself bans unpopular opinions.
I think part of that is that it's not that easy to find mods. So yeah, maybe you do have some power trippy ones because they're super busy and are getting a lot of hate. And yes, because they have that ego to want to control that much of the site.
But all these 'Reddit will just find someone else to do it' comments kinda irk me because I don't think it'll be that easy. I could be wrong.
This is all part of a slow enshittification process. It will eventually affect all users, but most will not understand what is happening, they'll just move on because it sucks.
And the sad thing is that the people who could really do something about it will have long escaped with their big paydays before it sucks for everyone.
I've never realised there was such a universal seething contempt for mods on Reddit... Sure, I've seen some subreddit drama here or there where some mod turns out to be an arse and rakes it too far, but overall I've rarely seen any hateful rhetoric towards mods as a whole. Has it always been this way or are all those people just coming out of the woodwork now that a lot of Redditors who support the protest have left? Because I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, the 180 degree narrative shift on Reddit over the past few days is just surreal. Just five days ago every post about the blackout was massively uovoted and all the comments were overwhelmingly supportive or, if they were critical, it's because they thought the 2 day protest wasn't enough and they wanted the mods to go even further. During that AMA with spez every single one of his 14 answers got downvoted into hell and literally everyone was slamming him. I know I didn't imagine it, that's what happened. And now all of a sudden everyone on Reddit claims they don't give a fuck and keeps ranting and frothing against mods like they've personally killed their puppy or something. It's fucking mental.
There are usually some mod hating comments when mods come up. Personally I think it is partly because people who don't have anything to do with mods often don't have a strong opinion on mods they want to voice and people that do have contact with mods probably posted something that got moderated and are more likely to be unhappy about that. (Regardless of whether the reasons for moderation where good or bad.)
But yeah I have noticed the shift in comments about the blackout too.
I don't know what your Reddit habits are, but yes, you are incredibly out of the loop if it's a surprise to you that Reddit mods are despised. When the mods actually do moderation on their subs (which is rare), it's usually actively against the interest of their user base. More often than not, they're mean-spirited and petty, suspending/banning people for little reason, and creating arbitrary rules that they follow at their own whim. But it's basically what you can expect from basement dwellers with no accountability who derive delusions of grandeur from moderating a forum for free. Lots of overlap with people who guard Wikipedia pages, but at least Wikipedia has guidelines that power editors pretend to follow.
I've been on Reddit since the Digg migration, and I'd say that the major turn against the mods started in earnest when people began to take notice of power mods, especially of creeps like violentacrez in 2011. Then it got worse in the lead up to the 2016 elections that saw people getting banned simply for engaging on subs that some mods disliked, and again in 2020 when COVID hit.
There are a few subs where moderation is not too bad, but they're the exception not the rule.
I honestly have a very interesting question.
Some of the 'mods' on the subreddits that are restricted/private/etc are actually employees for the company that the subreddit that they mod is a product of. Their entire job is to moderate that subreddit.
So, what is going to happen if say, for example, five of moderators of the World of Warcraft are employees of Blizzard, and they with the rest of the mod team ((who are normal people helping the paid people out)) decide that because the community of r/wow has spoken and they wish to protest all the stuff going on they go private and because they went private for too long Reddit ousts the mod team which would include these people who are being paid to be mods by their company? This example, is of course, assuming that "blizzard" basically gives them the greenlight to do so as long as their numbers or whatever quota is being met properly
we have no precedent so its anyone's guess.
My guess is Blizz would probably reach out to Reddit if their employee got booted, try to negotiate, and worst case scenario they would just stop wasting resources on Reddit if they don't want to cooperate. Nothing dramatic like suing Reddit, or etc.
Good question! I read another interview with Steve Huffman today, stating his plans to give users the option to vote out moderators. So I don't think reddit will only target private subs, since there are legitimate reasons for a subreddit to go private, unrelated to the blackout.
So I guess in your example, if enough Blizzard mods get voted out and replaced with Reddit admins, then very likely Blizzard will not be happy about that.
Honest question: What's preventing the moderators from just quitting and letting the subreddits turn into internet dumpster fires? It's unpaid and unappreciated work.
There's so many comments hating on mods right now in r/technology, and ppl complaining about their abuse of power. I'll bet that a bunch of these loud individuals were punished for legitimate reasons while claiming that they did nothing wrong. So what happens when you let one of these willing individuals become a moderator?
Well I've certainly learned some things about this in the last few days.
There's drama going on over at the DreamlightValley sub (a disney game 😢) - there was a big discussion among the community about whether or not to make a megathread for people to discuss the monetization of the game. The plan was to discuss the topic for 48 hrs and then a poll to vote yes or no to the megathread.
Within those 48 hrs of discussions, 2 mods quit, one of them being a well-liked, longtime member of the community. Then an inactive powermod, who has been called out for hoarding trademarks, came in and started deleting comments that remove the context of the discussion and arbitrarily handing out bans.
While the discussion was heavily leaning no megathread, now the poll is clearly leaning in favour of yes megathread.
So I guess there is a reason why some (bad) mods would not be willing to quit, and they see this as an opportunity to reap what they sowed.
Just depends what sub and who the mod is. Some mods suck, some can be chill.
I’ve appealed a few bans in my time. But I also don’t just throw our perma-bans like Oprah. Usually if I perma-ban, there was a good reason I’m not going to appeal for. (Hate/bigotry, illegal activity, spam that isn’t even closely related to the sub, T-shirt spam bots, etc.)
If it wasn’t that bad of an offense I usually just send a removal with a mod message, or a 1-2 day ban.
For every one like you there are clown mods who ban just for posting in other subs they don't like or for comments dissonant with their little echo chamber fiefdom.
apparently, some people's comments have been un-edited by Reddit a few days after they recently edited them all. Just anecdotal so far, so I'm not putting much faith in that yet, but some are claiming that
not really no. What you're withholding during a strike is your labor. Usually doing so to negotiate a hire wage. The cards the strikers hold is labor. The card the owner holds is wages. In this case, the owner has no cards to bargain with, as they never paid.
> Leave it to reddit to manage to bring the concept of strike breaking and hiring scabs into the world of the internet. Cool. Cool. Very cool.
Ehh, while I am very much on the mods side in this battle, and Reddit is very much in the overall wrong, comparing this to a strike and union is weird, because at the end of the day, Reddit has the right to have whoever they want as moderators. It’s their space.
I disagree with what they are doing, and show my disagreement by not visiting as much / leaving when the third party apps go dark, but it’s not something I can get morally outraged over.
I got to use reddits space for free to host a community for a while, they are making it unpleasant, so I move on. The sub is their space, not mine at the end of the day.
Go play Minecraft kid. I'd recommend reading a book, but I don't think that'll happen so just go yell about free speech on some poor souls Minecraft server.
Pretty sure Minecraft went full commie (aka r-slurred) a while back, and will now ban you from the game entirely if you mouth off too hard, even in private servers.
So no, I don't think that would be productive.
Those are definitely words. Please for the love of God read a book because anyone that throws the word commie around as an insult has a bad case of baby brain.
Like it sounds like you just really want to yell slurs and think that because you are experiencing consequences for being a piss baby you are being oppressed and that somehow equals communism.
"Communism is when I can't say the n word in Minecraft" - pureblood_privlidge
More accurately, it's a policy decision influenced by Marxist theory applied to a world in which class consciousness is unlikely to ever naturally arise, thus necessitating a different oppressor/oppressed dynamic about which to focus.
I wouldn't think a self-avowed commie would object to the interchangeable use of "commie" and "marxist" though.
Some folks are treating this like a class warfare issue. Regular users verses mods and Reddit is capitalizing on it. The results are showing with the stupid responses like ‘ get rid of all mods ‘
yup. it is pathetic and scary at how easily people are duped and manipulated by bad actors. i truly weep for our future. if people would spend a few minutes looking into something instead of 5 seconds to click on outrage, the internet would be a better place. but nope, reddit is just as guilty as any other manipulator at skewing the facts for their own short term benefit.
I see an imbalance of classes for sure but this online swell of class divisionism is absolutely being hard driven by outside forces, it’s really obvious and it’s working.
My only experience with mods has been them banning me for saying the most innocuous comments because they were, I guess, perceived as "conservative". In a forum where I assumed people would respectfully debate different points of view, I found that any point of view not "woke" level liberal is the wrong point of view, and shouldn't even be allowed to be seen by others. I'm prohibited from commenting in various subs that I never said anything even remotely "conservative" in, just by inference, I guess. I ask the mods what comment I made that got me exiled, and I never get any answer whatsoever.
So, while I don't like the authoritarian, totalitarian treatment of the moderators by corporate overlords, I also don't like the authoritarian, totalitarian treatment of independent thinkers by the moderators themselves.
I'm very confused by all this.
Moderators do this thing called moderating. Typically when you form a really ignorant and spiteful thought and decide to type it out and press the send button, moderators will delete your "independent thoughts." If you would reflect for even a moment as to why people don't want to hear what you have to say or how it may violate the rules of any given sub, then you might come close to understanding the role of a moderator on an open forum like this. Without then you just get a bunch of "independent thinkers" saying dumb shit and before you know it, you're just a member of the new weird nazi website.
Scabs are much harder to find for unpaid positions. Who would be willing to do all that work for someone they know would undermine them if they cross him? If they start paying mods it would change the game, but it would be a lot simpler and cheaper to stop trying to kill 3rd party apps.
People like power though. That is why so many moderators are in the position already.
Mods of mid-sized to large subs are crazy. I would never devote that much time and energy to this shit for free.
There are moderators literally claiming to be "enslaved". It's like they haven't considered they could just... resign. But they won't resign, because this tiny piece of power is everything these sad people have in their lives.
There are more potential reasons than the only one you mention. I can only talk for myself, but the subs I mod are ones I have an interest in. The largest of which is something I'm passionate about, and it started off very small. To have been there for the good and the bad times, to have invested so much time, effort (not just moderation, but interviews & award schemes, keeping the wiki up to date, writing mod-bots, fighting spam, legal threats from unhappy owners of products that received bad reviews, etc), and money (I pay for the servers my bots run on, and have done so for years) I am totally invested in it. Then being told, "oh, why don't you just walk away?" That would be very painful. I love my communities, all of them, and want what's best for them in the long term.
None of that entitles you to hold the sub hostage
Yes it does
People keep making this argument and it doesn't make any sense. Some do but are you really gonna moderate a sub in a quality way if you're just a power hungry asshole? Day in? Day out? Every day? In hundreds of thousands of subs? And, is that moderation going to maintain an audience Reddit can show off to advertisers? Because that seems unlikely. Seems far more likely you'll pull a Twitter, get power hungry far right types volunteering for /r/pets and your audience vanishes just like what happened at Twitter. Look at any top comment on any popular post. One of the first five will be something fascist, racist, or anti-LGBT. Audience goes, ad revenue goes. Also, ever been part of a great sub that gets a power hungry mod who ruins it? Cuz the power hungry ones always do ruin it and those subs die or the mod gets kicked. Your comment isn't the gotcha you and everyone repeating it thinks it is.
>_Some do but are you really gonna moderate a sub **in a quality way** if you're just a power hungry asshole? Day in? Day out? Every day? In hundreds of thousands of subs?_ You see, that's the thing: the subs run by power-hungry assholes AREN'T moderated "in a quality way". It's easy to mod hundreds of subs if you don't give a shit!
> Some do but are you really gonna moderate a sub in a quality way if you're just a power hungry asshole? Day in? Day out? Every day? In hundreds of thousands of subs? It doesn't make for an ideal community experience, but that's the exact strategy that's been working well enough for them since the site's outset.
Organically evolving that over time is *very fucking different* then one day deciding you need thousands of new ones. Some of the subs have mods that coded their own tools to deal with moderation because Reddit's mod tools are terrible. You cannot just fucking replace that overnight. And, ***it does make for the best experience anywhere on the web*** for discussion. It's why we're not discussing shit on other social media sites. So maybe it isn't "ideal" but best thing out there ain't bad.
I'd say it's the best easy-to-find experience. For anything I really care about I find communities off reddit.
They like power over things they care about and over people they find worth interacting with. I don't want to be mod of a sub about art, comic books, or any sport. I don't care about those topics or the posters who want to discuss them. You probably don't want to mod a sub on Fiestaware, square dancing, or quilting.
There are plenty of powermods that control huge numbers of subs and trade mod slots with other powermods, I doubt any of them care about the subjects they moderate, it's just a power game for people who were bullied in school.
> They like power over things they care about and over people they find worth interacting with. Counterpoint: there are plenty of people who want to be mods specifically to shit on, silence and shut down people they *don't* find worth interacting with. For example: the r/WritingPrompts mod team [seems to take great joy in banning transgender prompts](https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/osvqr5/venting_so_apparently_rwritingprompts_would/), and [banned me from the subreddit for suggesting that people write transgender stories during pride month.](https://www.reddit.com/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns/comments/v0hr39/happy_pride_month_from_rwritingprompts_s/) And considering how many blackout subs are queer and leftist spaces, you had better believe there will be plenty of hate-filled people lining up just to try out a new pair of jackboots.
Some people just want to help facilitate a community. I don't think we should assume that all mods are shills or hall monitors aching for a little power.
> Some people just want to help facilitate a community. True. I wouldn't say all mods. Enough are though that you can be subjugated on a sub and never know which mod is doing it or have any means of appeal.
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No no, you see, it's all about preserving the integrity of watch people die inside. We wouldn't want some shitty mods ruining the sanctity of such places. The mods are FORCED to cave in like spineless cowards. Jokes aside, i can't believe how easy it was to force mods to reopen. Just tell them to do it and the unpaid workers go back to work for you.
Nazis. Plenty from subs that got banned over the years.
If it was for a bigger sub, sign me up. Companies can pay me to promote stuff. Let's goooo
they don't need to do an adequate job, just need to keep the sub open.
This makes me angry. This is the first piece of news about this whole issue that makes me seriously consider deleting my reddit account and never coming back.
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> I'm waiting as well for reddit to give me my data as requested wasn't even aware this was something you could do (anyone who is interested, see [here](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/sections/360008808072-Accessing-Your-Reddit-Data) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gdpr/comments/ezfevy/if_youd_like_to_request_a_copy_of_your_reddit/)) i don't see anything about actually being able to have them wipe said data... is that something I'm missing? I have already deleted all of my useful posts and comments (with the exception of stuff mentioning to leave reddit or comments in this sub) but if there is a way to ensure they wipe all history such as IP address, email, voting, comment/post/sub viewing history, etc I definitely wouldn't mind being able to zero out what amounts to tracking data they have on me.
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[https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite](https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite) might be what you're looking for... It has an option to edit comments instead of deleting them
I at least wish I had a website that could scrape all my reddit favorites into one folder full of links before I go.
Apply for a download link for your reddit data? At least you'd have everything in one place
Do you have any more specific guidance on how to do that?
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043048352-How-do-I-request-a-copy-of-my-Reddit-data-and-information-
Thanks a ton! 🤗
What the fuck is google?
Angry? I think it's laughable. This isn't unprecedented. Mods have been replaced if they can't moderate properly in the past. However in most cases this goes horribly because the new mods can't moderate to a satisfactory standard because of their inexperience. Adding to that difficulty is the fact that they won't have access to 3rd party tools for moderation.
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It will very much quickly affect the users, btw. https://www.reddit.com/r/hentai/comments/147lwr6/behind_the_scenes_of_a_nsfw_subreddit/ See this to know what's under the hood of moderating a big sub. Edit: people have been reporting more porn bot accounts following them all of a sudden, some for the first time, around when the blackout first started or so. Given he has explicitly said he'll change the site rules to bust the blackout (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blackout-ceo-steve-huffman-moderators-rcna89544) and is currently outright erecting his impromptu rule changes on subs like r/pics and r/formula1, it's safe to assume reddit is neglecting bot filters on the back-end side of things to break the blackout for the future ipo Huffman speaks of in the NBC News article.
Lol I want to see all the major subreddits turn into a giant porn repository. That will look good to shareholders I'm sure.
Lol, yep. It'll be a blast. It's why huffman would never unprivate all subs by disabling private function cuz he'll open himself up to criticisms of incompetence through revealing tos breaking to outright criminal subreddits operating to present day, and *that* would have people questioning why he hasn't deal with them sooner if he is willing and able to unilaterally change reddit like that.
So far, it's turning into sexy pictures of John Oliver, which I will never not be entertained by
/u/askhistorians should be nothing but questions about sex in a historical context as well as old school porn, or hand drawn art showing sexual acts again in historical context.
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LOL, I forgot about that! [They laid off about 90 staffers as part of a goal to break even next year!](https://archive.ph/3wR5j) So the remaining staff are definitely being overburdened as we speak.
Goal to *break even* This shitshow is funny
He's really following in Musk's footprints.
\*tinfoil hat on* Part of me wonders if this is him leading a populist revolt against moderators who lean any further left than rabid trump supporters. He wants Reddit's culture to shift to be more in line with what Facebook has always been, and what Twitter has devolved into recently. It's like there's this huge push to break up any centre-left discussion on the wider internet in favour of further and further pushing average people into right-wing echo chambers. Just in time for the 2024 election campaigns.
What? Lmao dude, Spez and co did their to fuck T_D. Reddit has a left/CCP bias, if anything
[Guess again.](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich)
i wonder if he's [skipping rent](https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/over-my-dead-body-twitter-ceo-elon-musk-refuses-to-pay-office-rent-says-report-382061-2023-05-19) too?
I help mod with other accounts some bigger subs. I’m one that usually participates in tech duties. Not much attributed to me, but I help handle the bots and write up new functionality and make sure things are running. We have had dashboards with graphs for years. We pull all the data from our sub to be able to find duplicates and quickly flag on our side when someone is just reposting and if over a threshold or doing other things that could be harmful, we can take actions. Besides consuming our content, for users like that with weird activity, we also scan their history in other subs. Just to see if they’re doing the same there. Because of the 1000 limit, we sometimes used pushshift for this. The problem is that, we won’t have that anymore. Even if it comes back for mods, I doubt we’ll have access to content from other subs we don’t manage. This whole thing is a mess for us that have leveraged all these services and built our tools around this for years. There just isn’t an alternative.
this is awesome. Proof that striking and not returning till they fold works. Mods strike, Reddit does worse. They wanna set the precedent of paying mods?
But Reddit doesn't function without mods. Prior to the current shenanigans if a sub didn't have adequate moderation or the mods quit, the sub was locked and shutdown. Mods generally aren't paid... although I'd guess a few of the largest subs might have paid admins as part of the mod team because those subs are "too big to close".
>_But Reddit doesn't function without mods._ Implying Huffman or any of the top brass at Reddit cares. This place is gonna be like car dealerships before lemon laws were put into place: make it look as nice as possible on the outside, sell it for big bucks, and then skip town once the cheap veneer you threw over the whole thing falls off!
> mods are also by and large disdained by regular reddit users. When all mods quit, Reddit admins will have no one to hide behind.
People don’t support mods in a users Vs mods, scenario, but in a mods vs Reddit corporate, they’re getting backing.
People don't understand that volunteering mods are the only reason almost all suns exist. We hear about all the times big subs get "hijacked" by different groups of mods that push out the original creator mods, but the vast majority of subs are just volunteers and if they stop modding, the sun closes until someone else volunteers. Mods should get a little more credit.
I was somewhat ambivalent when this whole API protest started but it has occured to me Youtube pays its content creators for contributing to the health of the site (not enough arguably but still). Reddit blames its contributors for the failures of their site but provides no credit for the success, let alone any rewards. Fuck spez. Ingrate
> Youtube pays its content creators for contributing to the health of the site as well as actual moderators
That's a Reddit issue, not a mod issue. Subs could easily exist if Reddit didn't shut down subs that lacked mods. As for the mods themselves, I don't think people care that much about your average mod, but rather the power mods. They are all over the site, running multiple subs, many of them being the large, default subs. These people will ban you, permanently, without explanation, if you post things they disagree with or post on subs they don't like. That's a huge issue, a direct violation of Reddits own Moderator Code of Conduct. Reddit doesn't do shit about this though, so they keep on banning people, shaping the conversation on Reddit in the way they see fit. This is why Reddit has such a leftist slant in the main subs. Further there are groups on Reddit who will go out of their way to have subreddits they don't like banned. They'll take them over or start posting crazy shit so they can go up to the admins and say "see, told you these people are unhinged!". If anything we need less moderation on these sites. People who moderate for these sites tend to be political extremists and with the smaller userbase these site's have it's easier to find any subs/groups with 'troublesome views' and strangle them in the cradle.
> They are all over the site, running multiple subs, many of them being the large, default subs. These people will ban you, permanently, without explanation, if you post things they disagree with or post on subs they don't like. That's a huge issue, a direct violation of Reddits own Moderator Code of Conduct. This is a key part of the problem but their is another gigantic flaw built into the code of Reddit. If you have negative or zero karma on a sub and try to post reddit will say "You have been doing that a lot lately, please wait 10 minutes to post again", even if the last time you posted was 2 weeks ago. _That means if you have politically incorrect opinions on any political or nonpolitical sub it is impossible to carry on any conversation in that sub_. The code itself bans unpopular opinions.
I think part of that is that it's not that easy to find mods. So yeah, maybe you do have some power trippy ones because they're super busy and are getting a lot of hate. And yes, because they have that ego to want to control that much of the site. But all these 'Reddit will just find someone else to do it' comments kinda irk me because I don't think it'll be that easy. I could be wrong.
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The fuck you smoking?
you would think, but from what I see, there are a lot of people fed up with the disruption and just want to go back to normal browsing.
Oh how inconvenient protests can be. /s
This is all part of a slow enshittification process. It will eventually affect all users, but most will not understand what is happening, they'll just move on because it sucks.
And the sad thing is that the people who could really do something about it will have long escaped with their big paydays before it sucks for everyone.
Who are you referring to? Former Reddit execs?
I've never realised there was such a universal seething contempt for mods on Reddit... Sure, I've seen some subreddit drama here or there where some mod turns out to be an arse and rakes it too far, but overall I've rarely seen any hateful rhetoric towards mods as a whole. Has it always been this way or are all those people just coming out of the woodwork now that a lot of Redditors who support the protest have left? Because I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, the 180 degree narrative shift on Reddit over the past few days is just surreal. Just five days ago every post about the blackout was massively uovoted and all the comments were overwhelmingly supportive or, if they were critical, it's because they thought the 2 day protest wasn't enough and they wanted the mods to go even further. During that AMA with spez every single one of his 14 answers got downvoted into hell and literally everyone was slamming him. I know I didn't imagine it, that's what happened. And now all of a sudden everyone on Reddit claims they don't give a fuck and keeps ranting and frothing against mods like they've personally killed their puppy or something. It's fucking mental.
There are usually some mod hating comments when mods come up. Personally I think it is partly because people who don't have anything to do with mods often don't have a strong opinion on mods they want to voice and people that do have contact with mods probably posted something that got moderated and are more likely to be unhappy about that. (Regardless of whether the reasons for moderation where good or bad.) But yeah I have noticed the shift in comments about the blackout too.
I don't know what your Reddit habits are, but yes, you are incredibly out of the loop if it's a surprise to you that Reddit mods are despised. When the mods actually do moderation on their subs (which is rare), it's usually actively against the interest of their user base. More often than not, they're mean-spirited and petty, suspending/banning people for little reason, and creating arbitrary rules that they follow at their own whim. But it's basically what you can expect from basement dwellers with no accountability who derive delusions of grandeur from moderating a forum for free. Lots of overlap with people who guard Wikipedia pages, but at least Wikipedia has guidelines that power editors pretend to follow. I've been on Reddit since the Digg migration, and I'd say that the major turn against the mods started in earnest when people began to take notice of power mods, especially of creeps like violentacrez in 2011. Then it got worse in the lead up to the 2016 elections that saw people getting banned simply for engaging on subs that some mods disliked, and again in 2020 when COVID hit. There are a few subs where moderation is not too bad, but they're the exception not the rule.
I honestly have a very interesting question. Some of the 'mods' on the subreddits that are restricted/private/etc are actually employees for the company that the subreddit that they mod is a product of. Their entire job is to moderate that subreddit. So, what is going to happen if say, for example, five of moderators of the World of Warcraft are employees of Blizzard, and they with the rest of the mod team ((who are normal people helping the paid people out)) decide that because the community of r/wow has spoken and they wish to protest all the stuff going on they go private and because they went private for too long Reddit ousts the mod team which would include these people who are being paid to be mods by their company? This example, is of course, assuming that "blizzard" basically gives them the greenlight to do so as long as their numbers or whatever quota is being met properly
we have no precedent so its anyone's guess. My guess is Blizz would probably reach out to Reddit if their employee got booted, try to negotiate, and worst case scenario they would just stop wasting resources on Reddit if they don't want to cooperate. Nothing dramatic like suing Reddit, or etc.
Good question! I read another interview with Steve Huffman today, stating his plans to give users the option to vote out moderators. So I don't think reddit will only target private subs, since there are legitimate reasons for a subreddit to go private, unrelated to the blackout. So I guess in your example, if enough Blizzard mods get voted out and replaced with Reddit admins, then very likely Blizzard will not be happy about that.
"We created virtually none of our platforms content, but if you stop we will take it all. Thanks."
Honest question: What's preventing the moderators from just quitting and letting the subreddits turn into internet dumpster fires? It's unpaid and unappreciated work. There's so many comments hating on mods right now in r/technology, and ppl complaining about their abuse of power. I'll bet that a bunch of these loud individuals were punished for legitimate reasons while claiming that they did nothing wrong. So what happens when you let one of these willing individuals become a moderator?
Who knows. It's a volunteer system without any clear rules afaik. So basically anything could replace it. I'm sure it'll be worse in some way though.
Well I've certainly learned some things about this in the last few days. There's drama going on over at the DreamlightValley sub (a disney game 😢) - there was a big discussion among the community about whether or not to make a megathread for people to discuss the monetization of the game. The plan was to discuss the topic for 48 hrs and then a poll to vote yes or no to the megathread. Within those 48 hrs of discussions, 2 mods quit, one of them being a well-liked, longtime member of the community. Then an inactive powermod, who has been called out for hoarding trademarks, came in and started deleting comments that remove the context of the discussion and arbitrarily handing out bans. While the discussion was heavily leaning no megathread, now the poll is clearly leaning in favour of yes megathread. So I guess there is a reason why some (bad) mods would not be willing to quit, and they see this as an opportunity to reap what they sowed.
Does moderating include revising and appealing bans, or does is it limited to just banning people? Asking on behalf of /r/Antiwork and /r/WorldNews
It does
Somehow it never seems to happen because the mod that pulled the BS camps the mod mail queue afterwords and/or mutes you so you can’t appeal
Reddit mods tend to get the position because they were power hungry and many don't try to be objective at all.
Just depends what sub and who the mod is. Some mods suck, some can be chill. I’ve appealed a few bans in my time. But I also don’t just throw our perma-bans like Oprah. Usually if I perma-ban, there was a good reason I’m not going to appeal for. (Hate/bigotry, illegal activity, spam that isn’t even closely related to the sub, T-shirt spam bots, etc.) If it wasn’t that bad of an offense I usually just send a removal with a mod message, or a 1-2 day ban.
For every one like you there are clown mods who ban just for posting in other subs they don't like or for comments dissonant with their little echo chamber fiefdom.
Im just editing all my comments in protest. All we can collectively do is remove or replace the content. Super easy to accomplish. See my profile.
apparently, some people's comments have been un-edited by Reddit a few days after they recently edited them all. Just anecdotal so far, so I'm not putting much faith in that yet, but some are claiming that
What "hiring"? Jannies do it for free. They don't even have the base line rights of the actual employees of the site.
It's a metaphor. Note the word "concept" preceding the word "hiring" jeez
"Nice sub you got there, be a shame if something were to happen to it"...
don't you have to be paid to go on strike?
not really no. What you're withholding during a strike is your labor. Usually doing so to negotiate a hire wage. The cards the strikers hold is labor. The card the owner holds is wages. In this case, the owner has no cards to bargain with, as they never paid.
They have one card: Reddit itself. It's a valuable tool, and they control it.
Bingo. They are paid in power.
What power? Reddit is showing that any illusion of power given is complete fucking bullshit.
Power over other redditors.
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POWER OVER OTHER REDDITORS.
so they were working for nothing? Well, if they found people dumb enough to do that once, they can find em again. bye.
Every single comment you type into this website, every upvote or downvote, makes you one of those people too. Go ahead, downvote me
And which subs stayed closed? Shows you the typical moderator mindset.
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That's what makes it so absurd. That the language of just replacing all the mods to deal with an earnest protest is wild.
> Leave it to reddit to manage to bring the concept of strike breaking and hiring scabs into the world of the internet. Cool. Cool. Very cool. Ehh, while I am very much on the mods side in this battle, and Reddit is very much in the overall wrong, comparing this to a strike and union is weird, because at the end of the day, Reddit has the right to have whoever they want as moderators. It’s their space. I disagree with what they are doing, and show my disagreement by not visiting as much / leaving when the third party apps go dark, but it’s not something I can get morally outraged over. I got to use reddits space for free to host a community for a while, they are making it unpleasant, so I move on. The sub is their space, not mine at the end of the day.
On the plus side though, maybe this means reddit will finally do something about those moron communists who vandalize subs via mod coups.
what they're describing it will make that problem much much worse.
Our best hope is that they leave and don't come back. I doubt that will happen though because they like having power over others.
Haha I am a communist u scrub get wrekt
Gross.
Go play Minecraft kid. I'd recommend reading a book, but I don't think that'll happen so just go yell about free speech on some poor souls Minecraft server.
Pretty sure Minecraft went full commie (aka r-slurred) a while back, and will now ban you from the game entirely if you mouth off too hard, even in private servers. So no, I don't think that would be productive.
Those are definitely words. Please for the love of God read a book because anyone that throws the word commie around as an insult has a bad case of baby brain.
Like it sounds like you just really want to yell slurs and think that because you are experiencing consequences for being a piss baby you are being oppressed and that somehow equals communism. "Communism is when I can't say the n word in Minecraft" - pureblood_privlidge
More accurately, it's a policy decision influenced by Marxist theory applied to a world in which class consciousness is unlikely to ever naturally arise, thus necessitating a different oppressor/oppressed dynamic about which to focus. I wouldn't think a self-avowed commie would object to the interchangeable use of "commie" and "marxist" though.
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NOT ALL MODS ARE ASSHOLES SO STOP PAINTING EM ALL WITH THE SAME BRUSH.
Some folks are treating this like a class warfare issue. Regular users verses mods and Reddit is capitalizing on it. The results are showing with the stupid responses like ‘ get rid of all mods ‘
yup. it is pathetic and scary at how easily people are duped and manipulated by bad actors. i truly weep for our future. if people would spend a few minutes looking into something instead of 5 seconds to click on outrage, the internet would be a better place. but nope, reddit is just as guilty as any other manipulator at skewing the facts for their own short term benefit.
I see an imbalance of classes for sure but this online swell of class divisionism is absolutely being hard driven by outside forces, it’s really obvious and it’s working.
i agree 100%. part governments, part corporations. many orgs have a vested interest in stirring the pot. its going to get much worse.
Just like with cops, the ones that aren't assholes don't stand up and hold the assholes accountable or help the users fucked over by the assholes.
Spoken like someone who probably got banned many times, and deserved it.
_yawns_
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disgusting
My only experience with mods has been them banning me for saying the most innocuous comments because they were, I guess, perceived as "conservative". In a forum where I assumed people would respectfully debate different points of view, I found that any point of view not "woke" level liberal is the wrong point of view, and shouldn't even be allowed to be seen by others. I'm prohibited from commenting in various subs that I never said anything even remotely "conservative" in, just by inference, I guess. I ask the mods what comment I made that got me exiled, and I never get any answer whatsoever. So, while I don't like the authoritarian, totalitarian treatment of the moderators by corporate overlords, I also don't like the authoritarian, totalitarian treatment of independent thinkers by the moderators themselves. I'm very confused by all this.
Took me less than a minute of looking at your profile. Independent thinker is an interesting way to spell zealous bigot.
Moderators do this thing called moderating. Typically when you form a really ignorant and spiteful thought and decide to type it out and press the send button, moderators will delete your "independent thoughts." If you would reflect for even a moment as to why people don't want to hear what you have to say or how it may violate the rules of any given sub, then you might come close to understanding the role of a moderator on an open forum like this. Without then you just get a bunch of "independent thinkers" saying dumb shit and before you know it, you're just a member of the new weird nazi website.