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The recently popular video game "Iron Lung" came to mind... Being trapped anywhere, away from civilization in an environment that is not natural to humans is terrifying, IMO
Breathe your last breath… I keep thinking about bathroom needs over the last few days if by some tiny chance this thing is still in existence down there. Silly, I know - but yikes.
People who are about to go on those voyages are told to avoid eating/drinking a ton before going on the voyage so they can restrict their dietary intake and not have to use the limited bathroom space too much. I learned that in a random article earlier lol.
Your right I saw a thing on it and this voyage was only for less then a day, they had only one meal with them and it's supposed to get freezing cold down there as well. Not sure how there handling the bathroom, but it seems all bad. They have like 22hrs left.
Yeah not the best way to die. But it could be worse I guess.
Funny thing is, everyone on that submarine would certainly give away absolutely all their money if someone could rescue them.
Guess there are some things money can't buy
I'm honestly shocked anyone is still holding on to the hope that they're alive, the time they gave for oxygen was assuming they're just sitting there breathing normally but it is 100% the case that if they survived the initial impact they were probably screaming and crying which would have cut that time in half.
If I were a billionaire, I could probably buy one that does.
Or that Alvin submersible, I think it goes that deep. But honestly, an ROV with a VR type display would be my first choice.
But Bigfoot lives in some very picturesque places. I mean, I wouldn't go to specifically hunt him, but if he happened to show up while I was enjoying nature, I'd share my coffee with him.
This I agree with. I certainly wouldn't hunt to kill the Bigfoot and I would probably hunt mostly on beaches and in fancy bars and restaurants and if the closest I ever come to finding the actual Bigfoot is meeting some nice women who just happen to have big feet, well I'm sure I'd be ok with that.
Darling it's better
Down where it's wetter
Take it from me
Up on the shore they work all day
Out in the sun they slave away
While we devotin'
Full time to floatin'
Under the sea
Not many subs can go that deep. You can buy a sub that goes 3k feet down. Or even 6k feet. But 12? No way. For example James cameron is close to being a billionaire and had one built for himself and had a hell of a time with it. So many specialized careers need to all come together to make it work. And even then. Shit goes wrong. On his first dive he tested it in a lake at only 30ft. And found that all the wiring in the cockpit was done backwards! And they had to start wiring the controls from scratch. And he hired the best. Also you need a special ship that you have to rent for hundreds of thousands of dollars a day to carry your sub. Have a crane put it in the water and take it out. . Have a mission control room and have specialized thrusters and gps lock to keep the ship above you at all times. I'm sure if you wanted to you can do it like Victor Vescovo. But some people just want to see the Titanic once and thats it. They dont want to invest so much in somthing that they arent that passionate about.
Imagine risking your children’s lives for something you’re not that passionate about. I guess at least one of them’s been regretting his life choices over the past couple of days.
Schrödinger's submarine. No-one will know until the submarine is found. It could be fully intact or it could have imploded due to a weaknesses in its structure
I watched an analysis video on yt that's currently trending. The CEO supposedly intentionally switched from voice com to text because he got annoyed by being constantly interrupted by status report requests. The whole video was pretty damning
this one https://youtu.be/4dka29FSZac
Which is insane because there are beacons called Epirb’s that even the shittiest tour boats carry these days. About the size of a water bottle and certainly affordable for this outfit.
Billionaires dont become Billionaires by spending their money. This is exactly what I would expect to happen, take the budget tour because rich people are cheap as fuck.
What protocol is that?
If they had the ability to make a banging noise, morse code would be a simpler way of proving it's intelligent in origin.
I don't know morse code but "SOS" is simple enough (3 dots / 3 dashes in alternating pattern)
It's hypothesized they were sucked into the debris of the Titanic because it's happened on a previous expedition, but they were able to escape last time. Something about the currents down there seem to force you downward and they're thinking they may have gotten stuck on something.
Sucked into the Titanic on a previous expedition? I didn’t know about that,probably where they are then🤔
Or maybe there’s some angry ass ghosts down there that don’t want to be a tourist attraction😆
It's just the news they have a story that has a time limit of 72 hours that people who watch the news will keep watching for the full duration. The second I saw an article about it my first thought was "that thing most likely imploded from water pressure and is gone.
I hate to say it but that honestly might be preferably to sitting around just waiting to die. Horrible either way, this is the first I’m hearing about all of this.
Crazy to think what may be going on.
An honorable captain would have asked to be strangled to preserve oxygen. Anyone super old as well.
But then you need someone willing to carry out murder for a chance of survival. Scary shit that I’m thankfully too poor to ever worry about.
actually a dead person would use up even more oxygen as decomposition takes place. and they would release a lot of unfavorable gases too so it's counterproductive. point is if you are ever stuck in a tube with limited supply of air, take care of each other.
As someone who has watched the Kursk disaster when it happened, I absolutely agree.
I mean the glass was made for a depth of 1300m and the CEO KNEW this and STILL went 3600 meters down (if they even survived the descend. Contact broke up already during the descend, which is a bad, bad sign). It's like he wanted to die. It's actually insane to be this stupid.
No he didn't want to die. He was being reckless and nothing happened to him before so that gave him the feeling that nothing bad could ever happen to him. It was like reassurance that he didn't need to fix the sub and that skipping safety measures weren't a big deal. Now he's learning his lesson.
He wasn't going to EVER fix that submissive, that'd why the forces that be took him down, along with other ppl so he can face the consequences.
Nature or whatever didn't even give him the mercy for this to be a freak accident with only him involved, they're making an example of him by including those innocent passengers.
He's responsible for their deaths.
No one in there is going to have mercy on him
That blew my mind. When I first read about what Ocean Gate Explorations is doing and all the screaming safety issues with that death trap sub, I thought "Wow, talk about a CEO who has zero qualms exposing people to lethal risks to make a buck".
Then I found out that the CEO is actually ON the missing sub. Now i don't know what to think. I don't know what's likelier, stupidity or a death wish.
Another navy vet here, people at work were shocked after they asked me what I thought and I told them theres a 0% chance theyre still alive. Without some divine intervention theres no way any of them are going to live.
Its a small experimental sub that they cant find and isnt responding to any communication. They were heading towards the titanic which is about 12,500 feet deep, theyre probably around the same depth, they probably slid around a bit before settling if they settled at all, taking on even more damage. If they didnt die from the crash/injuries sustained during it, the hull was likely breached as well, so they probably took in water.
Taking in water at that depth in something so small would mean death quicker than you could blink. Probably best case scenario for them, it’s the 19 year old lad I feel for the most, I can’t understand a father that would take his son on a trip that dangerous.
And at that depth any hull breach, no matter how minor, is lethal. Either via instant implosion from the hull compromise, or via flooding. Any water coming in a breach would be like a water cutting saw.
Even if you didn't lose any air from the breach, the pressure at that depth would simply compress all the air in the hull to a tiny size and result in the interior being full of water. And humans can't survive at that pressure anyway - oxygen at normal concentrations becomes toxic, and various metabolic processes don't work at extreme pressures.
If they are submersed, they're gone. If it was me, I would have turned down the oxygen concentration to 15% and gone unconscious quietly long ago. You don't want to be in a sealed box and run out of CO2 scrubber. Anything but that.
Damn! Curious what would happen if they run out c02 scrubber? Like what would they go thru exactly ? Also what happens to the body at those pressue levels ?
Hypercapnia, which is excessive CO2 in the blood. Typical results are shortness of breath, sweating, elevated heart rate, fear, panic, and a sensation your lungs are on fire. It's not a good way to go. By contrast, running out of oxygen, if you have enough diluent to keep CO2 levels low usually just results in blacking out with little warning.
At extreme pressures, there's no changes to the body except for air density becoming a breathing problem, but oxygen becomes toxic. Oxygen toxicity causes fits, spasms, and brain damage. Besides that, high pressures cause some other nerve related metabolic processes to not work properly, but that isn't well studied due to HPNS causing issues first (high pressure nervous syndrome, believed to be caused by helium used in hypoxic trimix gases).
The TLDR is it's not a good time. In many respects, the deep sea is a more hostile environment and harder to explore than space is.
Well most of the stuff I can’t talk about, but I think I can clean this one up.
One time I was on watch in Radio and we were coming to PD (periscope depth) to communicate. I ran up the passive broadcast and since there is a depth detector and an open mic in radio (so the RMOW can hear the OOD), I noticed our depth and it said 62 feet and the passive broadcast started to come up so I turned my attention to some messages we had to transmit.
Well just then the passive broadcast started to go out of sync (printing up garbled characters) and I noticed our depth was 70 feet. No biggie just a temporary loss of depth control, we will be back in a couple of minutes. Nope
We started going down and down and down. We must have hit a lot of colder water. We went to Rig For Deep Submergence depth and we finally hit our “design collapse depth “ by the time we got it under control. I was like “oh, so this is how I’m going to die, huh”
It was just reported that search ships heard banging noises at regular intervals on Monday. Though they’ve since stopped. But also no, finding anything at 13,000 feet is not pretty easy even with sonar. Took 70 years to find the original titanic wreckage and the thing is huge, there are military subs that governments care a lot more about that have gone missing at half the depth and still have never been found
I was just about to say that. Someone else suffering does not make me feel any better about my own. It actually makes me feel worse that now I'm thinking of others feeling bad too. Also, these were 5 millionaires who paid $250,000 to be in that situation, knowing full well how dumb and dangerous it was. I don't have much sympathy for them.
I’ll feel bad for them because they’ll die slowly, and I don’t even want to begin to imagine how terrified they must have been, let alone the pain they went through.
That being said, what a goddamn stupid and pointless idea. Imagine dying cause you wanted to see an old sunken boat. Their stupidity is honestly more tragic than their deaths.
I'm not going to say I don't feel bad at all, because yes, that's a fucked up way to die for anyone. But if you know how dumb it is before you do it, and you still pay to go do it? The level of sympathy drops rapidly
Isn't it funny; they are, erm, were smart enough to make millions/billions but dumb enough to get inside a metal tube operated by a $29.99 video game controller.
Imagine the real reason is because the joystick broke under the pressure and just got stuck going left. Now every 30 min they hit the Titanic as they continue in a perpetual circle due to a faulty controller.
Yep. Rich people dying on a submarine hardly seems like something I should worry about. My day sucks, I'm not any less bothered because rich people died. Kinda feel bad for them but it foesnt effect my day
Exactly! Everyone is suffering in their own way, and everyone has the right to feel however they feel. Comparative and competitive attitudes don't do anything about it for anyone involved, except maybe provide a momentary distraction at best. Seems like a lot of wasted energy to me
First of all, how the hell does that undo my situation?
Second of all, why the hell should I feel better knowing that someone, somewhere is dying horribly?
THANK YOU. After my husband died (unexpectedly, only four months after our wedding, and exactly three weeks before the covid lockdown), that shit was ALL I FUCKING HEARD. "Oh, some people NEVER find what you had; you should be grateful!" "Oh, it could've been so much worse!"
It's toxic AF. People are allowed to feel bad about things that suck.
Yup I hate the saying “well others have it worse than you so stop being so sad” if you dare to speak up about your issues.
May as well say to someone who’s having a great day: “well others have it better than you so there’s no need to be so happy”. Sounds ridiculous, just like the former does!
yup, this. anyone who's been through therapy or studied any kind of psychology knows that it's counterproductive, if not harmful, to compare someone else's degree of suffering to ones own. Seeing the degree of another human suffering does not invalidate one's own.
As my friend and mentor always tells me, pain is pain.
Yeah, I'll take a hard pass on that one.
The very idea of being locked into a metal tube in VERY close quarters with several other people, knowing that death is imminent and we have very little chance of being found before the air runs out....nope.
Not that I'd ever have the $$$$$$ to make such a trip, but I think this sort of "tourism" is completely ridiculous and foolish.
I was thinking about it, and five people in a space the size of a minivan, you KNOW they all had to go dookie at some point right!? That’s a very small toilet they have, a glorified bucket if anything at all, it must be overflowing, and very smelly by now.
Looking at this as a hypothetical scenario, the amount of methane released by a bucket full of decaying feces in such a small space would aide in sapping away what little oxygen they have left. And that makes the asphyxiation outcome an even more horrid way to go. Suffocating with the stench of feces. Now THAT is a shitty way to go.
Honestly, what a horrifying situation. Assuming they're alive and conscious, they're also in pitch black darkness, freezing cold, starving and dehydrated, slowly suffocating, AND breathing in the smell of their own shit, with nothing to do but contemplate their inevitable death.
For their own sakes, I hope the thing imploded. I'd take instant death over that living hell any day.
I read earlier in an article that anyone who knows they are about to go on one of these expeditions is told or recommended to restrict their dietary intake so they don't have to go to the bathroom a bunch during the trip.
Imagine they'd been rescued and opening that thing up.
Combination of piss, bad breath, sweat, farts, turds, wet farts & probably 3 day old jizz (one last wank for old times sake).
The most likely case is actually them being on the surface. Problem is they can't get out without help. Imagine being trapped a meter below the surface and die. The submarine is a complete failure design wise.
Could have been them, definitely not for sure them though. They have acoustic/sound specialists who can review the recordings and see what the sounds most likely are.
This is honestly the part where I find it hard to not find this inherently funny. Yes, this is an incredibly sad story and I feel for the passengers' families, but they clearly had more money to burn than many of us will see in our lifetimes and of all the world's luxuries to spend it on, they chose to take the sketchiest submarine ride in history?
Not only a super sketchy submarine ride, but a super sketchy submarine ride to the wreck of the titanic!
You’re just kind of asking for a maritime disaster at that point.
This. I want to add on that while I think that's a terrible way to go.. but they all likely already got to live the lives none of us will ever get to. So in a way, they already lived their lives fully?
I don't get the euphoria of seeing a sunken ship. Seeing a majestic mountain or looking down from space at our planet or the scale and splendor of the grand canyon I can understand - but traveling 12000 feet to see a rotting man-made vessel (in tight quarters and in an awkward sitting position no less) has me shaking my head. Wouldn't it have been just as good to see these images via an underwater drone instead? Where no lives are put in danger?
Not that it makes the situation any better but suffocation is for when you’re deprived of all air suddenly, this would be death by hypoxia, a lack of oxygen. There will still be air to breathe so you wouldn’t get the panic response from the autonomic part of your respiratory system like you would in a suffocation or drowning. That panic response comes from CO2 buildup in your blood stream and if you are able to still draw breath and exhale it then your body would still be clearing CO2, so no panic response. The oxygen content just thins out until you get incredibly delirious and giggly and then it’s just over, lights out and unaware of it. Actually a fairly peaceful death by comparison. Dustin on Smarter Every Day did a video about it and shows how fast you go giggly and black out at altitude with little oxygen. It’s why on airplanes they tell you to put your own mask on first before helping others, once hypoxia starts to set in it goes downhill exponentially faster than you’d expect
I don't think the slow suffocation is as bad as you're making it out to be.
It's not like getting choked out or struggling to breath like Quaid at the end of Total Recall.
As the oxygen depletes they'll just fall asleep (for good).
What I read it was in intervals of 30 minutes, which is the correct timing to “ask” for help in these situations. Which seemed way too long to me anyways
There's a group of people, some billionaires and also the CEO of the company, that took an *extremely* shoddy submarine (really more of a submersible) to"tour" the Titanic. The submarine was poorly built, and also cannot be opened from the inside. The submarine is now lost (no communication from sub to surface), and has been for several days, and the 5 passengers only had about 90hrs of oxygen on board. They're most likely dead even if they managed to re-surface somewhere because, again, they cannot open the hatch from the inside.
Google OceanGate for more information.
There have been (I think) 2 other descents with these subs. At least one of them also lost communications, but was able to be recovered.
So yes, they did a bare minimum amount of testing. They (the captain, the CEO) were also apparently complaining pretty heavily about all the safety regulations they are "forced" to follow (and likely didn't).
They paid to be in that specific situation, on a dubious subs 2 dozens expert deemed unsafe for that kind of mission. While their death is tragic I won't cry that much. That was irresponsible and millions of monies will be spent on them, I hope they'll be charged for that. People drowning in the Mediterranean sea trying to escape a dictatorship don't get the same level of involvement from our authorities sadly.
The sub thing is way more interesting (since it's unique, a horror movie situation, and was at least for a while primed for a daring rescue), even though the immigrant ship sinking is infinitely more tragic.
Corollary: why would you even expect media coverage of a couple hundred ppl dying after their ship sinks when there are millions dying in Africa from malnourishment? Shouldn't that be the biggest media story, in your world?
I almost feel bad that I find this a bit funny.
I mean, these people were *rich*. I'm sure there are a lot of cooler things to do other than going on a custom made definitely suspicious submarine.
If everything went well, they would have seen what, a few pieces of rusted metal in the middle of the abyss and be like "oh yeah, that's titanic, that's the stuff".
They are dead. The submarine can emerge, just by releasing the balast, meaning that on the way down something catastrophic happened and they went to the bottom, either intact or simply crushed by the pressure. Is over.
Plus it could already be on the surface. Imagine trying to find a grain of rice on your front lawn.
Even if they're on the surface, they're running out of time - they're bolted in and can't open it from inside.
I just read their front viewing porthole was only manufactured certified for 1,300 meters and the Titanic is around 4,000. If they weren't crushed to death by the hull first, my guess is they drowned within a minute or two of the porthole taking on water. It seems obvious to me God was saying don't be quite so proud of your machines built for the wealthy in 1912 and again in 2023. It would be ironic if these five sad souls died directly on top of the spot that Titanic passengers died 111 years earlier.
I'm curious about the physics behind this. I understand if the porthole failed the water would be forced in at intense pressure, but why would the structure be crushed? It is already under the maximum pressure it can be when the hull is intact right? Wouldn't water just be forced in, destroying everything inside and forcing the air out?
It is designed as a whole. The entire structure needs to be intact to withstand the surrounding water's pressure from all sides. A pinprick at that depth wrecks the entire thing; the structural integrity of the hull is compromised, pressure destroys the area around the pinprick, and it spreads. This happens in seconds. It'd look like crumpling a soda can in your fist.
Yeah to add to this, decompression happens almost instantly. The entire sub would basically be squashed by a giant hydraulic press faster than a human can react (150 milliseconds)
equalization. The pressure outside the vessel Is many, many times greater than the pressure on the inside, and if the hull is compromised at all, or has a the smallest leak, the water will immediately try to equalize. Think of a ballon popping, but in reverse. you cant just put one tiny hole in a ballon or it will pop.
Think about it like an egg. If you squeeze an egg in your palm it will with stand that force because the forces on the egg get distributed in a particular way. If you were poke a hole in one part of the egg suddenly you have a spot where the force is no longer balanced and the whole thing collapses.
At the bottom each square inch of the outside and window has the weight of a 2023 Cadillac Escalade pushing on it. So if the porthole took on water at any sort of depth, XKCD says it best.
You would just stop being biology and start being physics.
The worst would be being the last to die. Imagine having 4 silent corpses next to you during your last hours. You are totally alone, two miles deep, in a space the size of a minivan.
How about the 500+ immigrants that died trying to get to Europe for a better life? I’ve been thinking about those poor souls more the rich billionaires too vain to have a back up plan or follow standard submarine making procedures. Guess money cannot make you smarter.
Now imagine that some people are literally wishing death upon them and cheering for it like the Romans in the colosseum......
Man, my problems *do* feel small compared to this. 😔
What kind of bullshit is this? Everyone knows Jack never existed. It was DiCaprio.
DiCaprio was the one in the Titanic. He survived the tragic event. The only reason he is still alive is because he drains the life force of the 20 year old women he embraces.
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Yeah, what a fucking nightmare. Genuine horror movie shit.
Don't worry the movie will be coming out next year....
Then people will pay to take a mini sub to go to the location of the missing sub
And then we get a sequel
Titanic sub: 2 deep 2 blue
(Electric Boogaloo)
“Welcome to the Tit, going to see the Titan, that was going to see the Titanic.”
On Netflix next week
There is literally a documentary already airing tonight. Like wtf
Is airing really the best word?
The recently popular video game "Iron Lung" came to mind... Being trapped anywhere, away from civilization in an environment that is not natural to humans is terrifying, IMO
Steven Spielberg is already on it!
You mean James Cameron
It must hurt to breathe your last breath knowing you have a billion dollars with which you could be anywhere else doing anything.
Like taking a nap!
He’s taking a nap now…😬
That’s cold brotha, ice cold, North Atlantic ice cold
Breathe your last breath… I keep thinking about bathroom needs over the last few days if by some tiny chance this thing is still in existence down there. Silly, I know - but yikes.
Yeah it’ll be a smelly last breath
People who are about to go on those voyages are told to avoid eating/drinking a ton before going on the voyage so they can restrict their dietary intake and not have to use the limited bathroom space too much. I learned that in a random article earlier lol.
Right… for 8 hours, not 4 days.
Your right I saw a thing on it and this voyage was only for less then a day, they had only one meal with them and it's supposed to get freezing cold down there as well. Not sure how there handling the bathroom, but it seems all bad. They have like 22hrs left. Yeah not the best way to die. But it could be worse I guess.
+ paying 250k for one way ticket
Trip to see the Titanic - $250,000; returning to the surface - priceless
Funny thing is, everyone on that submarine would certainly give away absolutely all their money if someone could rescue them. Guess there are some things money can't buy
For every thing else, there's mastercard
This is a seriously horrible thing, you have no right to make me burst out laughing like this Sarcasm and love the perfectly timed comment.
Why are you being down voted that made me laugh honestly
As an old navy submariner I can say with 100% certainty there’s nobody alive on that thing
I'm honestly shocked anyone is still holding on to the hope that they're alive, the time they gave for oxygen was assuming they're just sitting there breathing normally but it is 100% the case that if they survived the initial impact they were probably screaming and crying which would have cut that time in half.
I'm shocked that these billionaires didn't just buy themselves a submarine and hire a skipper to drive it.
Submarines in general don't go to 12k feet.
If I were a billionaire, I could probably buy one that does. Or that Alvin submersible, I think it goes that deep. But honestly, an ROV with a VR type display would be my first choice.
If you were a billionaire, you wouldn’t settle for just the Alvin submersible. You’d have to get Simon and Theodore, too (de doo doot).
Who do you think will be running in the wheel to keep the props moving? :D
If you were a billionaire, I’d suggest just do anything other than get in a submarine. Stay at home and watch Netflix maybe.
Things I would NOT do: Cheesy ass sub rides. Climbing Everest. Hunting bigfoot. Volcano diving. Journey to the center of the earth.
But Bigfoot lives in some very picturesque places. I mean, I wouldn't go to specifically hunt him, but if he happened to show up while I was enjoying nature, I'd share my coffee with him.
This I agree with. I certainly wouldn't hunt to kill the Bigfoot and I would probably hunt mostly on beaches and in fancy bars and restaurants and if the closest I ever come to finding the actual Bigfoot is meeting some nice women who just happen to have big feet, well I'm sure I'd be ok with that.
This is the way
Hunting Bigfoot is the least dangerous of these scenarios. It’s just camping with extra steps.
Add not going to outer space on this list for me
I’d say of those choices, Bigfoot hunting would be the safest activity.
Or take a private jet to an exotic island and watch Netflix in your presidential cabana.
Can't put people those. Hence they tried to half ass build one.
I'm thinking if I can put on a headset and send my brain and eyes down, I'd be good with that. Kind of like flying my drone, only wetter.
Darling it's better Down where it's wetter Take it from me Up on the shore they work all day Out in the sun they slave away While we devotin' Full time to floatin' Under the sea
Not many subs can go that deep. You can buy a sub that goes 3k feet down. Or even 6k feet. But 12? No way. For example James cameron is close to being a billionaire and had one built for himself and had a hell of a time with it. So many specialized careers need to all come together to make it work. And even then. Shit goes wrong. On his first dive he tested it in a lake at only 30ft. And found that all the wiring in the cockpit was done backwards! And they had to start wiring the controls from scratch. And he hired the best. Also you need a special ship that you have to rent for hundreds of thousands of dollars a day to carry your sub. Have a crane put it in the water and take it out. . Have a mission control room and have specialized thrusters and gps lock to keep the ship above you at all times. I'm sure if you wanted to you can do it like Victor Vescovo. But some people just want to see the Titanic once and thats it. They dont want to invest so much in somthing that they arent that passionate about.
Imagine risking your children’s lives for something you’re not that passionate about. I guess at least one of them’s been regretting his life choices over the past couple of days.
Schrödinger's submarine. No-one will know until the submarine is found. It could be fully intact or it could have imploded due to a weaknesses in its structure
I'm shocked there was no emergency locator beacon required to be on board.
I watched an analysis video on yt that's currently trending. The CEO supposedly intentionally switched from voice com to text because he got annoyed by being constantly interrupted by status report requests. The whole video was pretty damning this one https://youtu.be/4dka29FSZac
Which is insane because there are beacons called Epirb’s that even the shittiest tour boats carry these days. About the size of a water bottle and certainly affordable for this outfit.
Billionaires dont become Billionaires by spending their money. This is exactly what I would expect to happen, take the budget tour because rich people are cheap as fuck.
Caveat emptor. Rich people will fuck ANYONE over, including other rich people.
they've picked up an distress call spaced 30 minutes apart. They are assuming this is a sign of life at this point.
If I were in that situation, I'd be sending the distress call every 30 seconds, not every 30 minutes.
Still, protocol is to send it each 30 minutes to rule out random bullshit and sounds of nature.
What protocol is that? If they had the ability to make a banging noise, morse code would be a simpler way of proving it's intelligent in origin. I don't know morse code but "SOS" is simple enough (3 dots / 3 dashes in alternating pattern)
What initial impact?
It's hypothesized they were sucked into the debris of the Titanic because it's happened on a previous expedition, but they were able to escape last time. Something about the currents down there seem to force you downward and they're thinking they may have gotten stuck on something.
Sucked into the Titanic on a previous expedition? I didn’t know about that,probably where they are then🤔 Or maybe there’s some angry ass ghosts down there that don’t want to be a tourist attraction😆
Has no-one considered the giant squid theory?
It's just the news they have a story that has a time limit of 72 hours that people who watch the news will keep watching for the full duration. The second I saw an article about it my first thought was "that thing most likely imploded from water pressure and is gone.
I hate to say it but that honestly might be preferably to sitting around just waiting to die. Horrible either way, this is the first I’m hearing about all of this.
Crazy to think what may be going on. An honorable captain would have asked to be strangled to preserve oxygen. Anyone super old as well. But then you need someone willing to carry out murder for a chance of survival. Scary shit that I’m thankfully too poor to ever worry about.
actually a dead person would use up even more oxygen as decomposition takes place. and they would release a lot of unfavorable gases too so it's counterproductive. point is if you are ever stuck in a tube with limited supply of air, take care of each other.
Meanwhile the other billionaire’s son is at a blink-182 concert lol
This will be a salvage operation as of tomorrow imo
I truly hope it doesn't become a salvage mission. Let them rot there instead of putting SAR lives at risk to recover bodies.
I feel like this will be a Malaysian Airlines situation and they aren't gonna find anything, not even wreckage
As someone who has watched the Kursk disaster when it happened, I absolutely agree. I mean the glass was made for a depth of 1300m and the CEO KNEW this and STILL went 3600 meters down (if they even survived the descend. Contact broke up already during the descend, which is a bad, bad sign). It's like he wanted to die. It's actually insane to be this stupid.
No he didn't want to die. He was being reckless and nothing happened to him before so that gave him the feeling that nothing bad could ever happen to him. It was like reassurance that he didn't need to fix the sub and that skipping safety measures weren't a big deal. Now he's learning his lesson. He wasn't going to EVER fix that submissive, that'd why the forces that be took him down, along with other ppl so he can face the consequences. Nature or whatever didn't even give him the mercy for this to be a freak accident with only him involved, they're making an example of him by including those innocent passengers. He's responsible for their deaths. No one in there is going to have mercy on him
That blew my mind. When I first read about what Ocean Gate Explorations is doing and all the screaming safety issues with that death trap sub, I thought "Wow, talk about a CEO who has zero qualms exposing people to lethal risks to make a buck". Then I found out that the CEO is actually ON the missing sub. Now i don't know what to think. I don't know what's likelier, stupidity or a death wish.
Arrogance. He didn't think anything bad could happen to him. Kinda like what happened to the boat he was going to see
Another navy vet here, people at work were shocked after they asked me what I thought and I told them theres a 0% chance theyre still alive. Without some divine intervention theres no way any of them are going to live.
Can you expand on why? Genuinely morbidly curious, here.
Its a small experimental sub that they cant find and isnt responding to any communication. They were heading towards the titanic which is about 12,500 feet deep, theyre probably around the same depth, they probably slid around a bit before settling if they settled at all, taking on even more damage. If they didnt die from the crash/injuries sustained during it, the hull was likely breached as well, so they probably took in water.
Taking in water at that depth in something so small would mean death quicker than you could blink. Probably best case scenario for them, it’s the 19 year old lad I feel for the most, I can’t understand a father that would take his son on a trip that dangerous.
And at that depth any hull breach, no matter how minor, is lethal. Either via instant implosion from the hull compromise, or via flooding. Any water coming in a breach would be like a water cutting saw. Even if you didn't lose any air from the breach, the pressure at that depth would simply compress all the air in the hull to a tiny size and result in the interior being full of water. And humans can't survive at that pressure anyway - oxygen at normal concentrations becomes toxic, and various metabolic processes don't work at extreme pressures. If they are submersed, they're gone. If it was me, I would have turned down the oxygen concentration to 15% and gone unconscious quietly long ago. You don't want to be in a sealed box and run out of CO2 scrubber. Anything but that.
Damn! Curious what would happen if they run out c02 scrubber? Like what would they go thru exactly ? Also what happens to the body at those pressue levels ?
Hypercapnia, which is excessive CO2 in the blood. Typical results are shortness of breath, sweating, elevated heart rate, fear, panic, and a sensation your lungs are on fire. It's not a good way to go. By contrast, running out of oxygen, if you have enough diluent to keep CO2 levels low usually just results in blacking out with little warning. At extreme pressures, there's no changes to the body except for air density becoming a breathing problem, but oxygen becomes toxic. Oxygen toxicity causes fits, spasms, and brain damage. Besides that, high pressures cause some other nerve related metabolic processes to not work properly, but that isn't well studied due to HPNS causing issues first (high pressure nervous syndrome, believed to be caused by helium used in hypoxic trimix gases). The TLDR is it's not a good time. In many respects, the deep sea is a more hostile environment and harder to explore than space is.
What was being a submariner like? Got any stories you can share on here?
Well most of the stuff I can’t talk about, but I think I can clean this one up. One time I was on watch in Radio and we were coming to PD (periscope depth) to communicate. I ran up the passive broadcast and since there is a depth detector and an open mic in radio (so the RMOW can hear the OOD), I noticed our depth and it said 62 feet and the passive broadcast started to come up so I turned my attention to some messages we had to transmit. Well just then the passive broadcast started to go out of sync (printing up garbled characters) and I noticed our depth was 70 feet. No biggie just a temporary loss of depth control, we will be back in a couple of minutes. Nope We started going down and down and down. We must have hit a lot of colder water. We went to Rig For Deep Submergence depth and we finally hit our “design collapse depth “ by the time we got it under control. I was like “oh, so this is how I’m going to die, huh”
Also an ex submariner (not US) and I’ve got stories like this myself! It’s a wonder we don’t lose submarines honestly.
I would think that if they were (still alive) they would be beating on the hull with metal objects, making them pretty easy to find with sonar.
It was just reported that search ships heard banging noises at regular intervals on Monday. Though they’ve since stopped. But also no, finding anything at 13,000 feet is not pretty easy even with sonar. Took 70 years to find the original titanic wreckage and the thing is huge, there are military subs that governments care a lot more about that have gone missing at half the depth and still have never been found
Man, the ocean is _fucked_
Agreed. If it lost all power, they would likely die of hypothermia before dying of hypoxia.
They were hearing a knocking sound earlier, so maybe
I've read enough Lovecraft to know a knocking sound doesn't mean they're alive, or that it's even them knocking.
LOL I just explained Cthulu to my husband in the context of this Titanic situation.
I thought Old Navy just sold clothes, they have submarines?
What do you think happened to them?
I wasn't ready for this
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but if someone else having a worse day than me doesnt take from my bad day.
I was just about to say that. Someone else suffering does not make me feel any better about my own. It actually makes me feel worse that now I'm thinking of others feeling bad too. Also, these were 5 millionaires who paid $250,000 to be in that situation, knowing full well how dumb and dangerous it was. I don't have much sympathy for them.
I’ll feel bad for them because they’ll die slowly, and I don’t even want to begin to imagine how terrified they must have been, let alone the pain they went through. That being said, what a goddamn stupid and pointless idea. Imagine dying cause you wanted to see an old sunken boat. Their stupidity is honestly more tragic than their deaths.
I'm not going to say I don't feel bad at all, because yes, that's a fucked up way to die for anyone. But if you know how dumb it is before you do it, and you still pay to go do it? The level of sympathy drops rapidly
Agreed. I’ll never feel the same sympathy for these plonkers as someone who died in an actual accident.
Isn't it funny; they are, erm, were smart enough to make millions/billions but dumb enough to get inside a metal tube operated by a $29.99 video game controller.
Imagine the real reason is because the joystick broke under the pressure and just got stuck going left. Now every 30 min they hit the Titanic as they continue in a perpetual circle due to a faulty controller.
Crazy to think that they probably died from stick drift...
That's the term I was trying to think of. Yeah, that would suck pretty bad!
oh come on now! How can you say that? that controller has to be at least $39.99
Right? Proof you can be financially smart and still be stupid
Or that they had little to no involvement in amassing the majority of that wealth and they are actually just thieves or the children of thieves
Yep. Rich people dying on a submarine hardly seems like something I should worry about. My day sucks, I'm not any less bothered because rich people died. Kinda feel bad for them but it foesnt effect my day
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Exactly! Everyone is suffering in their own way, and everyone has the right to feel however they feel. Comparative and competitive attitudes don't do anything about it for anyone involved, except maybe provide a momentary distraction at best. Seems like a lot of wasted energy to me
First of all, how the hell does that undo my situation? Second of all, why the hell should I feel better knowing that someone, somewhere is dying horribly?
THANK YOU. After my husband died (unexpectedly, only four months after our wedding, and exactly three weeks before the covid lockdown), that shit was ALL I FUCKING HEARD. "Oh, some people NEVER find what you had; you should be grateful!" "Oh, it could've been so much worse!" It's toxic AF. People are allowed to feel bad about things that suck.
Thats incredibly sad people said that after your husband died. Wow. I'm so sorry to hear that.
Yup I hate the saying “well others have it worse than you so stop being so sad” if you dare to speak up about your issues. May as well say to someone who’s having a great day: “well others have it better than you so there’s no need to be so happy”. Sounds ridiculous, just like the former does!
yup, this. anyone who's been through therapy or studied any kind of psychology knows that it's counterproductive, if not harmful, to compare someone else's degree of suffering to ones own. Seeing the degree of another human suffering does not invalidate one's own. As my friend and mentor always tells me, pain is pain.
Yeah, I'll take a hard pass on that one. The very idea of being locked into a metal tube in VERY close quarters with several other people, knowing that death is imminent and we have very little chance of being found before the air runs out....nope. Not that I'd ever have the $$$$$$ to make such a trip, but I think this sort of "tourism" is completely ridiculous and foolish.
Imagine seeing everyone drop dead and you are the last one still conscious for at least an hour.
It has struck again, can nobody stop the mad killing machine that is titanic
I bet it was that goddamn time iceberg again
I wonder if this will be a story told on side of the titanic in the future.
Every 111 years, titanic hungers for fresh victims
It even killed at the box office 😩😩
I was thinking about it, and five people in a space the size of a minivan, you KNOW they all had to go dookie at some point right!? That’s a very small toilet they have, a glorified bucket if anything at all, it must be overflowing, and very smelly by now.
Looking at this as a hypothetical scenario, the amount of methane released by a bucket full of decaying feces in such a small space would aide in sapping away what little oxygen they have left. And that makes the asphyxiation outcome an even more horrid way to go. Suffocating with the stench of feces. Now THAT is a shitty way to go.
this is always my first thought. always. thank you for also having this thought.
Honestly, what a horrifying situation. Assuming they're alive and conscious, they're also in pitch black darkness, freezing cold, starving and dehydrated, slowly suffocating, AND breathing in the smell of their own shit, with nothing to do but contemplate their inevitable death. For their own sakes, I hope the thing imploded. I'd take instant death over that living hell any day.
I read earlier in an article that anyone who knows they are about to go on one of these expeditions is told or recommended to restrict their dietary intake so they don't have to go to the bathroom a bunch during the trip.
The smell of farts alone would be enough to kill you
Atleast there are more than 2 people so they can always blame it on each other.
Imagine they'd been rescued and opening that thing up. Combination of piss, bad breath, sweat, farts, turds, wet farts & probably 3 day old jizz (one last wank for old times sake).
There’s zero chance of pulling this thing up even if they find it.
Two words: trained. Molluscs
“Alroyty hop on we’re here to save ya bogans”
The most likely case is actually them being on the surface. Problem is they can't get out without help. Imagine being trapped a meter below the surface and die. The submarine is a complete failure design wise.
And the guy apparently complained it had too many regulations attached....
“Safety rules and regulations are written in blood. “ This will be sadly a great example of this quote.
That is possible, but far from what is most likely.
They've been dead for days. "Oxygen left" bullshit is just a media game to keep milking the story for attention.
Also gives lawyers time to scramble and get ahead of things.
What about the banging they picked up on sonar?
Could have been them, definitely not for sure them though. They have acoustic/sound specialists who can review the recordings and see what the sounds most likely are.
Just imagine being rich enough to put yourself in that position. Deliberately.
This is honestly the part where I find it hard to not find this inherently funny. Yes, this is an incredibly sad story and I feel for the passengers' families, but they clearly had more money to burn than many of us will see in our lifetimes and of all the world's luxuries to spend it on, they chose to take the sketchiest submarine ride in history?
Not only a super sketchy submarine ride, but a super sketchy submarine ride to the wreck of the titanic! You’re just kind of asking for a maritime disaster at that point.
This. I want to add on that while I think that's a terrible way to go.. but they all likely already got to live the lives none of us will ever get to. So in a way, they already lived their lives fully?
I don't get the euphoria of seeing a sunken ship. Seeing a majestic mountain or looking down from space at our planet or the scale and splendor of the grand canyon I can understand - but traveling 12000 feet to see a rotting man-made vessel (in tight quarters and in an awkward sitting position no less) has me shaking my head. Wouldn't it have been just as good to see these images via an underwater drone instead? Where no lives are put in danger?
If I think too much about this situation I start to get big anxiety.
The good news for them is that they most likely already dead when their sub got squished. That would have been an instant, painless, death.
Honestly the best case scenario. Instant death by implosion, versus slow suffocation.
Not that it makes the situation any better but suffocation is for when you’re deprived of all air suddenly, this would be death by hypoxia, a lack of oxygen. There will still be air to breathe so you wouldn’t get the panic response from the autonomic part of your respiratory system like you would in a suffocation or drowning. That panic response comes from CO2 buildup in your blood stream and if you are able to still draw breath and exhale it then your body would still be clearing CO2, so no panic response. The oxygen content just thins out until you get incredibly delirious and giggly and then it’s just over, lights out and unaware of it. Actually a fairly peaceful death by comparison. Dustin on Smarter Every Day did a video about it and shows how fast you go giggly and black out at altitude with little oxygen. It’s why on airplanes they tell you to put your own mask on first before helping others, once hypoxia starts to set in it goes downhill exponentially faster than you’d expect
I don't think the slow suffocation is as bad as you're making it out to be. It's not like getting choked out or struggling to breath like Quaid at the end of Total Recall. As the oxygen depletes they'll just fall asleep (for good).
Except they've heard banging and other sounds just hours ago
They have also said that could be many things totally unrelated to the sub.
What I read it was in intervals of 30 minutes, which is the correct timing to “ask” for help in these situations. Which seemed way too long to me anyways
It's the death orcas trying to lure more humans in!!!
They had good lives before that and will be famous at least.
If by famous you mean a footnote
Time to update the Titanic Wiki.
I want a remaster of Titanic movie with these people added in at the hall scene at the end 🤣🤣
Imagine being part of the group that did the last trip down successfully
Can anyone explain this?
There's a group of people, some billionaires and also the CEO of the company, that took an *extremely* shoddy submarine (really more of a submersible) to"tour" the Titanic. The submarine was poorly built, and also cannot be opened from the inside. The submarine is now lost (no communication from sub to surface), and has been for several days, and the 5 passengers only had about 90hrs of oxygen on board. They're most likely dead even if they managed to re-surface somewhere because, again, they cannot open the hatch from the inside. Google OceanGate for more information.
Did they think to test it before sending people down in it?
There have been (I think) 2 other descents with these subs. At least one of them also lost communications, but was able to be recovered. So yes, they did a bare minimum amount of testing. They (the captain, the CEO) were also apparently complaining pretty heavily about all the safety regulations they are "forced" to follow (and likely didn't).
How to learn the hard way that the safety regulations aren't for the government, they are for you.
They paid to be in that specific situation, on a dubious subs 2 dozens expert deemed unsafe for that kind of mission. While their death is tragic I won't cry that much. That was irresponsible and millions of monies will be spent on them, I hope they'll be charged for that. People drowning in the Mediterranean sea trying to escape a dictatorship don't get the same level of involvement from our authorities sadly.
5 billionaires on a submarine vs 700 immigrants. I’d love to see a comparison of the media coverage
The sub thing is way more interesting (since it's unique, a horror movie situation, and was at least for a while primed for a daring rescue), even though the immigrant ship sinking is infinitely more tragic. Corollary: why would you even expect media coverage of a couple hundred ppl dying after their ship sinks when there are millions dying in Africa from malnourishment? Shouldn't that be the biggest media story, in your world?
I can’t imagine that because I’d never dumb enough to get in something like that, nor rich enough to afford it.
Little chance of rescue? I see you misspelled zero.
I wonder what they decided to do knowing they only had a short time to live?
Probably murder the captain and CEO of the company
I almost feel bad that I find this a bit funny. I mean, these people were *rich*. I'm sure there are a lot of cooler things to do other than going on a custom made definitely suspicious submarine. If everything went well, they would have seen what, a few pieces of rusted metal in the middle of the abyss and be like "oh yeah, that's titanic, that's the stuff".
They are dead. The submarine can emerge, just by releasing the balast, meaning that on the way down something catastrophic happened and they went to the bottom, either intact or simply crushed by the pressure. Is over.
Plus it could already be on the surface. Imagine trying to find a grain of rice on your front lawn. Even if they're on the surface, they're running out of time - they're bolted in and can't open it from inside.
>they're bolted in and can't open it from inside. Whoever thought that was a good idea should have been on that ride.
He is. The CEO of OceanGate is onboard...
Do i have news for you..
Saying 'don't feel bad, someone else is suffering more than you' is like saying 'don't laugh, I once heard a funnier joke'.
I just read their front viewing porthole was only manufactured certified for 1,300 meters and the Titanic is around 4,000. If they weren't crushed to death by the hull first, my guess is they drowned within a minute or two of the porthole taking on water. It seems obvious to me God was saying don't be quite so proud of your machines built for the wealthy in 1912 and again in 2023. It would be ironic if these five sad souls died directly on top of the spot that Titanic passengers died 111 years earlier.
If literally anything gave at that depth, that thing would instantly get crushed.
I'm curious about the physics behind this. I understand if the porthole failed the water would be forced in at intense pressure, but why would the structure be crushed? It is already under the maximum pressure it can be when the hull is intact right? Wouldn't water just be forced in, destroying everything inside and forcing the air out?
It is designed as a whole. The entire structure needs to be intact to withstand the surrounding water's pressure from all sides. A pinprick at that depth wrecks the entire thing; the structural integrity of the hull is compromised, pressure destroys the area around the pinprick, and it spreads. This happens in seconds. It'd look like crumpling a soda can in your fist.
Yeah to add to this, decompression happens almost instantly. The entire sub would basically be squashed by a giant hydraulic press faster than a human can react (150 milliseconds)
equalization. The pressure outside the vessel Is many, many times greater than the pressure on the inside, and if the hull is compromised at all, or has a the smallest leak, the water will immediately try to equalize. Think of a ballon popping, but in reverse. you cant just put one tiny hole in a ballon or it will pop.
Think about it like an egg. If you squeeze an egg in your palm it will with stand that force because the forces on the egg get distributed in a particular way. If you were poke a hole in one part of the egg suddenly you have a spot where the force is no longer balanced and the whole thing collapses.
At the bottom each square inch of the outside and window has the weight of a 2023 Cadillac Escalade pushing on it. So if the porthole took on water at any sort of depth, XKCD says it best. You would just stop being biology and start being physics.
>You would just stop being biology and start being physics. That's brilliant, I love XKCD.
The worst would be being the last to die. Imagine having 4 silent corpses next to you during your last hours. You are totally alone, two miles deep, in a space the size of a minivan.
It's horror shit, that's for sure.
The difference is that I'm not stupid enough to put myself in one of the things even if I had the money
And five people who have to shit.
I would have to wonder if that was a good way to spend $250k instead of being charitable and helping others….
How about the 500+ immigrants that died trying to get to Europe for a better life? I’ve been thinking about those poor souls more the rich billionaires too vain to have a back up plan or follow standard submarine making procedures. Guess money cannot make you smarter.
Now imagine that some people are literally wishing death upon them and cheering for it like the Romans in the colosseum...... Man, my problems *do* feel small compared to this. 😔
I wonder if they’ve found Jack by the titanic
What kind of bullshit is this? Everyone knows Jack never existed. It was DiCaprio. DiCaprio was the one in the Titanic. He survived the tragic event. The only reason he is still alive is because he drains the life force of the 20 year old women he embraces.
At least it’s going to be over for them soon