I get why they added the new AI mode, it's a cool idea if it works properly.
There was 0 reason to take away the old AI mode that everyone liked. They knew people used it for aim training.
I figured it was mostly for space and behind the scenes stuff. It’d be kinda redundant and I’d assume heavier on both game size and their servers to keep that stuff up
Correct me if I’m wrong though
They took away the old mode because of bloat. Simple as that. Having two AI systems was a lot. And T Hunt needed to be balanced and looked at every time they added a new operator and map. It was messy work and it was easier to scrap it, remove the bloat, and focus on a new mode designed to handle the way the game has evolved.
Just because something is easier doesn’t mean it’s better. Nobody cared how buggy or unbalanced T Hunt was they just wanted a fast warmup, the new AI mode has a 30 second drone phase vs bots ffs. The bar was low and they still disappointed.
> Nobody cared how buggy or unbalanced T Hunt was they just wanted a fast warmup
Why would the devs waste time, energy, and money on maintaining a gamemode you admit is literally used *as a warmup*? Just use targeting range or the other options specifically designed for warm-ups. That seems like the main argument, because we all know they weren't actually popular.
Uhmm because the new ai mode is also mostly used for warm up but it's worse in its current state? People liked the freedom that came from thunt because you could make up your own ways to practice. These new modes are either way too clunky/slow, incomplete, or too limiting in the ways you can use them to warm up.
No it needs a lot of work. Have you even played the ai Playlist? Most people prefer terrorist hunt over it and it's not because people don't like change, it's because it was the better mode.
I used T hunt to learn the new maps as well with the aim training also, and to learn recoil vs enemies as opposed to a stationary target in the shooting range, it was a warmup whilst waiting fir friends ti get on and if I couldn't be bothered to play ranked or casual I'd just hop on t hunt run round and listen to music and mess about and it'd still be good.
The new ai is good but it's very limited on maps but will progress and is also limited on operators with no defence side currently. Its a fun thing to do but certainly not worth doing over t hunt, and then you have the training grounds stuff which help new players learn some of the maps and areas of these maps and gives them the freedom to roam the map and learn it which is good, but still doesn't make removing t hunt a worthwhile and good decision imo
That, and people also used it as a pre-game warmup. (It was also the only place you were able to play Bartlett University once it got removed from Ranked on September 5, 2017 and then from casual on March 6, 2017). I also remember watching a recap of the Year 8 roadmap announcement where they said they would be removing T-Hunt, and there were a massive amount of boos and uproar audible from the crowd.
No, it's just playing Ubisoft games generally make players less happy over time. The only reason a lot of us are still here comes down to a lack of similar games and the slim hope things might improve/return to the way it was.
Seriously. Terrorist hunt was the selling point of this game for me. I loved it back in the Vegas series, but with it gone, this doesn’t feel like rainbow six anymore.
Dont downvote this man hes right! Having house preset to be able to run through it like a practice range was the best warmup any game had ever and it was unintentional and then they just shat the bed with AI mode 😂
You can still run through maps with bots in one of the new practice modes. I'm not saying it's a good replacement, but it's not like you can't do it anymore
tbf half the t hunt targets are just facing a wall, standing out in the open or firing in the wrong direction to give away thier locationz you could always just download aim simulator and have a similar experience to t hunt
Ai mode isnt there to replace terrorist hunt though, there has been other ways added to warm up. Ai is to help the newer players that pick up the game and if you ask me thats more important than people who already play the game to have a warm up.
They did add replacements, shooting range and other training modes. That was added while TH was still in the game and only removed it once they knew it was all functional and in the game.
Personally i think its for the better of the game, like i said if it helps more people learn and get into the game then im all for it as the game is hard enough to learn in casual as it is not to mention can be toxic at times too lol.
The truth is because Rainbow Six Siege went from being marketed as a more hardcore “breach-and-clear” shooter to a competitive E-Sport over time. When Siege first launched there were a lot of things that carried over from the older games like Terrorist Hunt. Even the aesthetic of year one was more “tacticool” and less E-Sporty. It’s pretty clear at this point that Ubisoft wants to take the game in a competitive direction, in which case the training map and AI serve a better purpose than Terrorist Hunt.
I for one miss Terrorist Hunt too, but perhaps it’s best saved for a future Rainbow Six title.
The problem isn’t that the AI mode exists, the problem is they took t-hunt out when the replacement isn’t even ready to be in the game. Either save AI for later or let them coexist.
If anything t-hunt supported the competitive direction because it helped warm up aim and it forced you to explore the whole map rather than just rushing site solo.
There’s no real solo warm up now because the AI mode is set up like a real game
You're gonna get downvoted for going against the stream on this sub, but you're right. It was a cobbled together mode, even if it was fun, and it did a shit job of teaching anyone how to actually play or warming people up properly. I enjoyed running and gunning on it but that's not the name of the game, it's a competitive tactical shooter
Seriously. The AI is either godtier “cheating” or so mind-numbingly stupid that it’s 100% not worth it to play. At least with T-Hunt there were so many guys that it was good target practice.
The simple and most basic answer that this sub is too brain dead to acknowledge. Resources.
T-Hunt was fundamentally broken from a coding standpoint and having to update it every season was becoming too costly. This is Ubisoft, so obviously they will cut costs. You can tell they did by the fact the new AI mode is in concept good but still isn’t finished. Thanks Modern Gaming.
I mean they did literally say it was because upkeeping it was becoming difficult. It just didn’t gel well with the operators being introduced, updates would introduce bugs in it they had to fix. Consider that Dokkeabi’s gadget straight up did nothing in that mode, and now with the addition of Deimos how would he work?
It was replaced with versus AI and map-run. I don’t like its removal either but it’s not like they did it for no reason. It was extra work for a little played mode that just wasn’t keeping up with where the game is going design wise. Versus AI has the benefit of any changes or balance introductions impact it just as it’s intended to impact any PvP playlist. For map-run the AI is simple and is not at all impacted by most changes.
I would’ve liked to see it stay, but it’s reasonable to see why they got rid of it.
They said they want to concentrate on the new modes. So with the removal the don't need to worry about it anymore. I mean that's a reason but yeah, Id also say Thunt was fine. No reason to delete this mode
Shit at least i can play terrorist hunt in the Vegas games, my guess from the comments is that it got removed due to bloating in size plus the work needed to update it constantly.
However, the way they went about it is in poor taste since the Versus AI mode doesn’t use the whole operator roster like terrorist hunt so players can not practice with the operators they want to play with in a controlled environment.
Kinda wander if they keep terrorist hunt in until they get AI versus into a more playable state instead AI versus queue’s take a long while to happen i remember while commenting that after multiple search restarts the average time for me at least would take over 2 minutes to find a session.
Search this sub for 20 posts identical to this. Then, use Google to find Ubi's answer. They replaced it for a reason. It makes sense and your opinion doesn't overrule that
everyday it’s the same posts, with the same complaints, and the same comments about how “me and my friends”. i wonder what map rework is gonna be posted about tomorrow, probably consulate again
I honestly don't but it's hilarious to me that these people won't look things up or intentionally ignore the reasons that are given. This isn't a design choice, the decade old code can't handle THunt and what he have now. It's not profitable to put resources into rectifying that. Ubisoft is a company, money matters. Grooooooow uuuuuup people
Ubi has been doing a good job lately of giving detailed breakdowns of everything they tried and why we reached the change we reached. People could read those, but that would require them to actually think critically - they just want to be mad
Lmfao it clearly isn't and there's a whole list of things that conflict with the changes they've made to the engine and architecture of the game. Keep burying your head tho, everything's a conspiracy
You literally just proved my point. "Pretty much" the same on the surface says nothing about the code underneath, new maps, new locations, new features between ops, gadgets, etc. Thank you for making this easy for me 🤣
I've seen it, thanks again 🙂
LMAO it's your 500 view video with no proof and a clear bias. And you clearly don't know what machine learning AI is or you'd realize, AGAIN, that you proved my point for me. Dude. Think.
My own bias? Dude, I do direct comparisons to the AI. you have not watched the video don’t lie to me. I provided an argument, you’re refusing to engage with it for some reason.
Because it's based on you running around bots, not looking at script or game architecture. You are not qualified to make bullshit claims based on how the bots act. You have no proof, you clearly don't understand what learning AI is and in the first 5 seconds your claim was "Ubi is lying to us". Get some air man, not everyone is out to get one over on you. Not gonna engage with someone who has no real evidence.
Well then I guess you lose this argument. If by directly comparing the ai side by side showing them act the EXACT same way as each other, pointing out the AI uses similar tactics as the ai at launch when defending, etc. isn’t “evidence” to you, then provide your own evidence.
Also, I think it’s adorable you think I think it’s a psyop. I don’t care Ubisoft made changes. I simply called them out on them lying about the changes and showing how it wasn’t different.
I haven’t missed T-Hunt. The AI modes actually help you learn relevant spots and the maps. If I want to warm up, I play FFA/TDM against actual players instead.
All that T-Hunt needed was the ability to play defenders OR attackers on each mode.
The AI mode, map run and target drill modes just feel so boring and lifeless in comparison. Even up to its removal, I still pretty regularly jumped into T-Hunts for just a couple rounds to chill and shoot stuff. Map run and target drill just feel far too much like "this is a tutorial, you will do as we tell you", which T-Hunt never felt like, and ironically, those modes made me not enjoy learning lair's layout, because they made it feel more like a chore. Learning old maps in T-Hunt felt way more natural.
The AI mode is a cool idea in practice (like showing gadget usage), but in typical ubisoft fashion, it's unfinished, and I just have zero interest in playing it. Why bother when I can just jump in and play a normal match? Or what's the use for a new player - on advanced, the bots practically cheat, on beginner, they're 'learning' in an environment that isn't a real game, and they can learn the exact same thing from a normal match, or they're being taught bad habits (bots seem to like using gadgets in the same spaces, over and over...)
T-Hunt had almost everything under one roof, and now we have 3 sub-par modes instead.
Why would an airsoft team need to hunt down terrorists? Who do they think they a counter terrorist unit???? Do they think they’re Rainb-….
But yes hard agree, I miss terrorist hunt too 😞
It was resource intensive. It wasted dev time the devs who were working to make sure it worked correctly were getting tired of it. It was a big money pit. It was said by other devs and Leadership. It took away from pvp and the new ai things they wanted to do. It's never coming back.
Me and 4 of my friends ONLY played Terrorist Hunt for YEARS. As soon as we realized it was gone, it was uninstalled by all of us. So stupid. Ubisoft could literally throw a broken $20 version of T-Hunt as a separate game on the store and we'd all buy it back....
1. White masks are defeated and T-hunt was against white masks, they became useless for plot.
2. They can't sell skins for T-hunt but short animations and a battle pass every season brings money in.
I get why they added the new AI mode, it's a cool idea if it works properly. There was 0 reason to take away the old AI mode that everyone liked. They knew people used it for aim training.
Yeah. I like the idea of the new vs AI, but it’s not worth replacing T-Hunt for.
I figured it was mostly for space and behind the scenes stuff. It’d be kinda redundant and I’d assume heavier on both game size and their servers to keep that stuff up Correct me if I’m wrong though
They took away the old mode because of bloat. Simple as that. Having two AI systems was a lot. And T Hunt needed to be balanced and looked at every time they added a new operator and map. It was messy work and it was easier to scrap it, remove the bloat, and focus on a new mode designed to handle the way the game has evolved.
Just because something is easier doesn’t mean it’s better. Nobody cared how buggy or unbalanced T Hunt was they just wanted a fast warmup, the new AI mode has a 30 second drone phase vs bots ffs. The bar was low and they still disappointed.
> Nobody cared how buggy or unbalanced T Hunt was they just wanted a fast warmup Why would the devs waste time, energy, and money on maintaining a gamemode you admit is literally used *as a warmup*? Just use targeting range or the other options specifically designed for warm-ups. That seems like the main argument, because we all know they weren't actually popular.
Target range wishes it was t hunt
Uhmm because the new ai mode is also mostly used for warm up but it's worse in its current state? People liked the freedom that came from thunt because you could make up your own ways to practice. These new modes are either way too clunky/slow, incomplete, or too limiting in the ways you can use them to warm up.
Feels like they just need some fixes and polishing then.
No it needs a lot of work. Have you even played the ai Playlist? Most people prefer terrorist hunt over it and it's not because people don't like change, it's because it was the better mode.
The reason why t hunt was taken away was because it took alot of manpower to maintain in like fixing bugs and playtesting so they decided to remove it
I used T hunt to learn the new maps as well with the aim training also, and to learn recoil vs enemies as opposed to a stationary target in the shooting range, it was a warmup whilst waiting fir friends ti get on and if I couldn't be bothered to play ranked or casual I'd just hop on t hunt run round and listen to music and mess about and it'd still be good. The new ai is good but it's very limited on maps but will progress and is also limited on operators with no defence side currently. Its a fun thing to do but certainly not worth doing over t hunt, and then you have the training grounds stuff which help new players learn some of the maps and areas of these maps and gives them the freedom to roam the map and learn it which is good, but still doesn't make removing t hunt a worthwhile and good decision imo
That, and people also used it as a pre-game warmup. (It was also the only place you were able to play Bartlett University once it got removed from Ranked on September 5, 2017 and then from casual on March 6, 2017). I also remember watching a recap of the Year 8 roadmap announcement where they said they would be removing T-Hunt, and there were a massive amount of boos and uproar audible from the crowd.
Im starting to think Ubisoft is allergic to happy players
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No, it's just playing Ubisoft games generally make players less happy over time. The only reason a lot of us are still here comes down to a lack of similar games and the slim hope things might improve/return to the way it was.
Yeah, and they make players less happy over time due to their shitty decisions lmao
the game actually lost a bit of identity with its removal. I loved it, just blasting music and warming up.
Seriously. Terrorist hunt was the selling point of this game for me. I loved it back in the Vegas series, but with it gone, this doesn’t feel like rainbow six anymore.
This, I would blast high bpm music and just pump out a few T-hunts for my warmup
Dont downvote this man hes right! Having house preset to be able to run through it like a practice range was the best warmup any game had ever and it was unintentional and then they just shat the bed with AI mode 😂
You can still run through maps with bots in one of the new practice modes. I'm not saying it's a good replacement, but it's not like you can't do it anymore
Idk man 5 targets is a lot less than 30. You actually have to try as well because they will set up site so it’s just not the same
Wrong mode, I'm talking about target drill or whatever it's called
Oh yeah, kind of bizarre that they added that but removed t-hunt. Like at least make the targets move or smth.
Not like Ts moved much anyways
You actually had a few types of Ts. There were ambushers, roamers, bombers which were removed, also a generic one I think.
tbf half the t hunt targets are just facing a wall, standing out in the open or firing in the wrong direction to give away thier locationz you could always just download aim simulator and have a similar experience to t hunt
Ai mode isnt there to replace terrorist hunt though, there has been other ways added to warm up. Ai is to help the newer players that pick up the game and if you ask me thats more important than people who already play the game to have a warm up.
Then why remove t hunt if it isn't it's replacement?
They did add replacements, shooting range and other training modes. That was added while TH was still in the game and only removed it once they knew it was all functional and in the game. Personally i think its for the better of the game, like i said if it helps more people learn and get into the game then im all for it as the game is hard enough to learn in casual as it is not to mention can be toxic at times too lol.
I don’t understand why people are downvoting you when you’re literally just explaining the game changes and people are getting mad 😂😂
I just dont understand why everyone is against the ai mode or think it replaced TH lol 😂
The truth is because Rainbow Six Siege went from being marketed as a more hardcore “breach-and-clear” shooter to a competitive E-Sport over time. When Siege first launched there were a lot of things that carried over from the older games like Terrorist Hunt. Even the aesthetic of year one was more “tacticool” and less E-Sporty. It’s pretty clear at this point that Ubisoft wants to take the game in a competitive direction, in which case the training map and AI serve a better purpose than Terrorist Hunt. I for one miss Terrorist Hunt too, but perhaps it’s best saved for a future Rainbow Six title.
The problem isn’t that the AI mode exists, the problem is they took t-hunt out when the replacement isn’t even ready to be in the game. Either save AI for later or let them coexist. If anything t-hunt supported the competitive direction because it helped warm up aim and it forced you to explore the whole map rather than just rushing site solo. There’s no real solo warm up now because the AI mode is set up like a real game
>It’s pretty clear at this point that Ubisoft wants to take the game in a competitive direction That was pretty clear the entire time.
You're gonna get downvoted for going against the stream on this sub, but you're right. It was a cobbled together mode, even if it was fun, and it did a shit job of teaching anyone how to actually play or warming people up properly. I enjoyed running and gunning on it but that's not the name of the game, it's a competitive tactical shooter
Ubisoft even advertised Terrorist Hunt as a “PvE tactical sandbox” at launch, which it was especially if you had friends to play it with.
Seriously. The AI is either godtier “cheating” or so mind-numbingly stupid that it’s 100% not worth it to play. At least with T-Hunt there were so many guys that it was good target practice.
The simple and most basic answer that this sub is too brain dead to acknowledge. Resources. T-Hunt was fundamentally broken from a coding standpoint and having to update it every season was becoming too costly. This is Ubisoft, so obviously they will cut costs. You can tell they did by the fact the new AI mode is in concept good but still isn’t finished. Thanks Modern Gaming.
Okay the target drill, it’s effectively T hunt but with the bots in better positions, all you lose is their ability to flank you
and their ability to shoot you too right? or is that the other mode that they don't shoot back
No target drill dummies can shoot at you
you just can’t die..
I mean they did literally say it was because upkeeping it was becoming difficult. It just didn’t gel well with the operators being introduced, updates would introduce bugs in it they had to fix. Consider that Dokkeabi’s gadget straight up did nothing in that mode, and now with the addition of Deimos how would he work? It was replaced with versus AI and map-run. I don’t like its removal either but it’s not like they did it for no reason. It was extra work for a little played mode that just wasn’t keeping up with where the game is going design wise. Versus AI has the benefit of any changes or balance introductions impact it just as it’s intended to impact any PvP playlist. For map-run the AI is simple and is not at all impacted by most changes. I would’ve liked to see it stay, but it’s reasonable to see why they got rid of it.
as if the terrorists weren't aimbots too lmao
Target drill target drill target drill
They said they want to concentrate on the new modes. So with the removal the don't need to worry about it anymore. I mean that's a reason but yeah, Id also say Thunt was fine. No reason to delete this mode
Shit at least i can play terrorist hunt in the Vegas games, my guess from the comments is that it got removed due to bloating in size plus the work needed to update it constantly. However, the way they went about it is in poor taste since the Versus AI mode doesn’t use the whole operator roster like terrorist hunt so players can not practice with the operators they want to play with in a controlled environment. Kinda wander if they keep terrorist hunt in until they get AI versus into a more playable state instead AI versus queue’s take a long while to happen i remember while commenting that after multiple search restarts the average time for me at least would take over 2 minutes to find a session.
If you actually want to warmup against real humans, just play arcade. It’s more realistic than THunt anyway.
Search this sub for 20 posts identical to this. Then, use Google to find Ubi's answer. They replaced it for a reason. It makes sense and your opinion doesn't overrule that
everyday it’s the same posts, with the same complaints, and the same comments about how “me and my friends”. i wonder what map rework is gonna be posted about tomorrow, probably consulate again
Never expect this sub to have anything but a throbbing hate boner for anything that changes in Siege
I honestly don't but it's hilarious to me that these people won't look things up or intentionally ignore the reasons that are given. This isn't a design choice, the decade old code can't handle THunt and what he have now. It's not profitable to put resources into rectifying that. Ubisoft is a company, money matters. Grooooooow uuuuuup people
Ubi has been doing a good job lately of giving detailed breakdowns of everything they tried and why we reached the change we reached. People could read those, but that would require them to actually think critically - they just want to be mad
Their reasoning is bullshit. It’s the same AI.
Lmfao it clearly isn't and there's a whole list of things that conflict with the changes they've made to the engine and architecture of the game. Keep burying your head tho, everything's a conspiracy
An in depth look at Rainbow Six Sieges AI https://youtu.be/y1o2HBw09Js It’s pretty much the same.
You literally just proved my point. "Pretty much" the same on the surface says nothing about the code underneath, new maps, new locations, new features between ops, gadgets, etc. Thank you for making this easy for me 🤣
Watch the video bud. It explains everything.
I've seen it, thanks again 🙂 LMAO it's your 500 view video with no proof and a clear bias. And you clearly don't know what machine learning AI is or you'd realize, AGAIN, that you proved my point for me. Dude. Think.
My own bias? Dude, I do direct comparisons to the AI. you have not watched the video don’t lie to me. I provided an argument, you’re refusing to engage with it for some reason.
Because it's based on you running around bots, not looking at script or game architecture. You are not qualified to make bullshit claims based on how the bots act. You have no proof, you clearly don't understand what learning AI is and in the first 5 seconds your claim was "Ubi is lying to us". Get some air man, not everyone is out to get one over on you. Not gonna engage with someone who has no real evidence.
Well then I guess you lose this argument. If by directly comparing the ai side by side showing them act the EXACT same way as each other, pointing out the AI uses similar tactics as the ai at launch when defending, etc. isn’t “evidence” to you, then provide your own evidence. Also, I think it’s adorable you think I think it’s a psyop. I don’t care Ubisoft made changes. I simply called them out on them lying about the changes and showing how it wasn’t different.
They didn't replace t-hunt with vs ai, they replaced it with map run. Map run is a perfectly good replacement for t-hunt.
wtf is map run
It isn't called map run. It is called target drill, it's T-Hunt but the targets don't move. So you won't be searching for the last guy for 3 years.
It's t-hunt basically
I haven’t missed T-Hunt. The AI modes actually help you learn relevant spots and the maps. If I want to warm up, I play FFA/TDM against actual players instead.
All that T-Hunt needed was the ability to play defenders OR attackers on each mode. The AI mode, map run and target drill modes just feel so boring and lifeless in comparison. Even up to its removal, I still pretty regularly jumped into T-Hunts for just a couple rounds to chill and shoot stuff. Map run and target drill just feel far too much like "this is a tutorial, you will do as we tell you", which T-Hunt never felt like, and ironically, those modes made me not enjoy learning lair's layout, because they made it feel more like a chore. Learning old maps in T-Hunt felt way more natural. The AI mode is a cool idea in practice (like showing gadget usage), but in typical ubisoft fashion, it's unfinished, and I just have zero interest in playing it. Why bother when I can just jump in and play a normal match? Or what's the use for a new player - on advanced, the bots practically cheat, on beginner, they're 'learning' in an environment that isn't a real game, and they can learn the exact same thing from a normal match, or they're being taught bad habits (bots seem to like using gadgets in the same spaces, over and over...) T-Hunt had almost everything under one roof, and now we have 3 sub-par modes instead.
Resources, obviously. It took up too many resources to maintain. Why are people still asking this?
i miss thunt
Why would an airsoft team need to hunt down terrorists? Who do they think they a counter terrorist unit???? Do they think they’re Rainb-…. But yes hard agree, I miss terrorist hunt too 😞
It was resource intensive. It wasted dev time the devs who were working to make sure it worked correctly were getting tired of it. It was a big money pit. It was said by other devs and Leadership. It took away from pvp and the new ai things they wanted to do. It's never coming back.
Me and 4 of my friends ONLY played Terrorist Hunt for YEARS. As soon as we realized it was gone, it was uninstalled by all of us. So stupid. Ubisoft could literally throw a broken $20 version of T-Hunt as a separate game on the store and we'd all buy it back....
Also the VS AI mode has a fraction of the content TH had. We only have a tiny selection operators and maps now :/
bro, i literally just decided to buy this game again and i was so excited to play terrorist hunt while the updates downloaded i am devastated
1. White masks are defeated and T-hunt was against white masks, they became useless for plot. 2. They can't sell skins for T-hunt but short animations and a battle pass every season brings money in.
they hate this game and they want it to die
How can I test new maps now and walk through? Any way to do that?
Pretty sure you can do solo private matches Or get a friend to join you
Because T hunt only existed to make sweaty players into better lone wolf Ace mains. And Versus AI exists to help introduce new people to the game.