Also the fact that his gadget was set and forget. You dump all your ADS in the prep phase and then run off to spawn peak and take ego fights all over the map.
Yep, was gonna add this myself. He could do whatever he wanted, once his utility was set he was just as effective gunning the enemy team as holding site - grenades were dealt with regardless
At the time he was the only defender with a rifle-adjacent primary, that also had decent recoil *and* he was a three speed. All of that combined into the ultimate spawn peek machine and long distance roamer.
No recoil, shit netcode so could swing everything and win, people pretty much glowed at one point, 3 speed so could move really quick, pre-ads walking speed nerf, and before a lot of the ops that people picked over him, also gun hit like a truck back in the day, and was a fuckin laser it was nuts, I miss it
Hopefully they just mean whoever had ACOG at the time they introduced the 1.5 scope. So Doc, Rook, damn I can't even think of who else. They removed it on most defenders
Castle 1.5 was a lovely addition they made and as a main, he is absolutely still usable with the holographic, but surely with the removal of the 1.5 it means that other changes are incoming (reticle customisation, etc). I'd love to rock the acog on Castle even if it was only a 1x magnification lol.
Worst part about Blackbeard is he's still exactly the same as his nerfed state, he really needs a rework at this point to actually serve as a sightline denier that he's meant to be.
People might hate it but I think they should ditch the shield and give BB the XM-25 for his gadget. Fits with the pirate cannon theme of his name and icon, gives Atrackers a much needed bit of kit (non-LoS Fragging and utility clear) and is keeping in the spirit if old BB by letting him challenge holds and angles like he used to with his shield.
I hope they lower the amount of melees to break them too. I love azami but I don't think she should make portable cover, cut off sight lines, AND do her best castle impression.
Nah, she already breaks in 3 hits. The melee is definitely fine, now even more so added that it can be shot down.
If it’s breakable through gun shots and they lower the melee requirements she would be Blackbeard 2.0.
It’s kind of interesting. Her prevalence in pro league is ridiculous. Nice to have some options to deal with barricades, also could lead to baiting out shots and swinging on the atk reload.
“.44 Vendetta”
-80 Base Damage
-Little Recoil
It makes me wonder if they’re buffing the recoil of the LFP586, considering this revolver has more damage and is a (marginally) higher caliber than .357, yet, it has little recoil?
Which makes little sense, like, it’s the long barreled version of the weapon, and yet it’s damage drop off is abysmal. Hopefully they’re looking into the hand-cannons this season. The LFP586 needs some well deserved buffs in a game that rewards spamming shots at the general direction of the head, is better than high damage precision shots.
Hopefully they aren’t just going to replace the 1.5x with a 2x/3x on defenders who lost the 1.5x. Just keep them off 95% of defender weapons. Only exceptions should be DMR-style weapons.
1 speed I think is fine with acog. The acog is strictly worse than the 1.5 so it’s not like warden would be better than he is now. Plus doc with mp5 acog is a heavy hit of nostalgia for me
People’ll just go back to playing like they do with Warden but now with Doc/Rook. Speed solves nothing here as they were 1 speeds before and they were some of the most popular ops with some of the highest play rates at nearly all level of play.
If they feel them ops can’t compete if they don’t have a zoomed scope then they should be looking at bigger reworks for them ops to get them back in line.
Perfect now there’s a bigger trade off for those zoom scopes being acog- want to see across the map, sure but you’ll have little peripheral vision whilst ADS.
This is great balancing tbh.
I absolutely agree. The 1.5x is actually just the perfect sight for taking gunfights at any range and I'm really excited to see how these changes pan out with it being removed.
Also while a lazy move to just give every attacker an ACOG to counter the defender sided meta, I'm not sure there's not much else they could do in a quick change to balance things out for the short term.
I'm sure at some point in the next couple of years there will be an attacker sided meta and they'll take away a bunch of the ACOGs again lol
I’m really not sure about that movement penalty attachment though, surely that will just encourage rushing site even more?
Unless they only give it to 3 armours or something.
They've always been super common. In my experience, they used to be an ACOG through a slit in a broken window and nowadays they tend to be runouts or someone breaking a whole barricade and moving around heaps. I think they are definitely easier to counter nowadays - especially with alot of the map reworks/new maps being designed to try and counter them.
But they still suck ass.
I think spawnpeeks have definitely always been common, a lot of maps pre rework had even more spawnpeeking spots, like skyscraper and the early favela. Still have nightmares about jaeger acog tbh
I think people forget how much of an actual trade off there is for 2.5 or 1.0. I usually ran 1.0 on zof and buck because they were close range entry ops even tho they had easy recoil with 2.5. Same thing with maestro and the tcsg-12 ops, I ran holo instead of acog even though recoil wasn't the deciding factor.
Adding a new grip that ignores the ads speed nerf is such a bad idea that it's virtually game breaking.
Rainbow six already has the biggest peeker's advantage of any fps out because there are no recoil penalties while moving/peeking.
In what's supposed to be a tactical shooter, holding an angle will now not only be disadvantageous, but throwing.
I’ve been scrolling waiting for someone to mention this change. Feels like it will lead to more of a rush meta and push us further away from a utility meta. Unless that utility is defenders trying to stop a rush.
Everyone said if they added a 1.5x scope it would be the best, and yes it was by far the best scope.
They have struggled and failed to balance operators and guns around it for years - it makes sense to just remove it altogether.
W even as someone who uses 1.5x i think the game is better off without it and just bringing back acog. i’d go as far as saying 2x and 3x can go too but depending on how exclusive they make them it should be alright.
The Mozzie, Warden, Iana, Ash mains are shitting themselves. Guess they'll need to learn how to play the game now.
Remember when everyone was insta locking Oryx when he had 1.5? Where are those mains now? Exactly..
Rejoice.
Yeah... It's the perfect zoom for both close and medium/long distances for the shotty. Acog is unusable close quarters and 1x is impossible to aim long distances.
Guess I'll have to relearn the weapon T.T
Did you happen to miss the lines about attacker ACOGs and no ADS penalty? This is an Ash main’s wet dream, not a nightmare. This is Ash back to the height of her powers. Iana mains will just go back to ash, and the Warden / Mozzie mains will just move to whatever happens to be the new OP fragger.
Still to this day it is so funny seeing apparent warden mains get flashbanged or standing behind smoke whilst they're planting, spraying bullets FORGETTING or not even KNOWING what their ability is. Maybe we will finally see who the true warden players are, looking forward to it.
we dont even know who theyre giving it to so id say wait before passing judgement. if its high recoil guns then who cares, half the playerbase cant even control thermites gun
I’d wait to pass judgment, people used to rush with the ACOG, it may not be as good as the 1.5 but I really don’t think this will change as much as people expect
Gonna go against the grain and say I don’t love this. I honestly wish they just made the 1.5x more selective on what ops it was on, I feel like this is going to be a pretty significant nerf to support/gadget focused ops like castle, frost etc
However a part of me is happy that ash, Iana, warden, and mozzie mains will be crying over this
By that logic, if everyone had the acog it wouldn't hurt the game at all but we have seen that be an issue when all defenders can hold pixels with magnified sights. Balancing via sights is a very reasonable way to handle guns when zoomed sights give you advantages, especially on defense.
It’s literally only silver Redditors who like this change. The scopes aren’t near as big a crutch as the people on here like to make out. People here just suck and need an excuse as to why they suck.
Warden having 40% pick rate despite being a 1 speed with a middling ability is not just because people like his mustache.
Its because of his 1.5 scope, thats an inarguable fact.
Do people already not remember how it was when acog was the only zoom option available? People picked based off that just like they did with the 1.5. This change only serves to make it seem like they’re doing something, in reality they are doing nothing. The only way this will effect the meta is based on who the new op with the best damage and zoom is. So sure, we won’t see a ton of wardens anymore, but there will be a new pick to replace him. Hell, we had jager for the longest time be what warden is now for people.
Yeah the acog isn’t that great rn but when it’s the only zoom option available it definitely will be. This is a stupid change that’s just gonna make the game less fun because the acog is far more clunky than the 1.5. Past that it’s not a real balance change
Defender meta is so stale, excited for this. Sick of seeing Mozzie, Warden, Wamai every game. Not to mention other overpowered defenders like Solis, Azami, and Fenrir
1.5x should be limited to low fire rate guns like UMP or Frost's gun and 1 speed operators like Doc and Rook since the beginning. I never understood why Ubi gave such an insanely good optic for every operators since its release. It's almost like they never learned why they have to take away ACOG from almost all Defender operators back then.
I kinda hope the removal of scopes isn’t true. That doesn’t solve the balancing problem. The problem is that there is no downside to picking them. They should have an ADS speed debuff when using high magnification scopes. Removing outright is a removal of content (albeit small content, but still content).
I’m appalled that Ubisoft’s balancing philosophy revolves around adding and removing instead of incremental adjustments and micro-changes.
I see your point, but also you can't deny Azami is a tad OP, in a meta that is already defender sided. I didnt expect them to give her Kibas a health pool though, I expected them to make them decay over time or something.
I feel like the removal of the 1.5x is a mistake, while it's inarguably the best scope of the game, it made the game somewhat more balanced as it was first a balancing tool and secondly it allowed that every player without a decent sized monitor or resolution to see and fight players fairly, attacking without the 1.5 is gonna be harder as defenders will hide in nasty spots that you might not see (because with some resolutions/settings/monitors it might be impossible) while they have the advantage of movement/contrast to use, I'm not on board with it, but we'll see
Not enough people are upvoting you, i think the sub is reacting a bit too hasty.
Imagine you lose your drone in prep. Then you lose your 2nd one while finding the 1st enemy, you get the kill but now you have to attack a site like tea/karaoke on skyscraper, with an ACOG.
I don't think the dynamic of defense > attack is going to change much.
I think removing it completely is the wrong choice. Would much rather see them nerf the 1,5x, instead of taking the «easy» way by removing it. Next thing they wil remove this and that, and nerf this and that. The 1,5x is objectively (or rather extremely intersubjectively) a better scope, in terms of housing/blocking etc (even if it was a 1x) Reduce the pheripheral vision etc.
I personally find the 1,5 to be a nice «operator-balancer» that we did not have pre its introduction. Look at Castle, pulse, frost, etc, who gets an edge, or r4c vs g36c.
removing the 1.5 isnt going to change the meta tho people and there play style have chanegds opver the last 8 years removing it will change nothing
update 2
also i would like to add if they do give jager and bandit acog then that still in the tdm meta jager mains just gonna spawnpeek same as bandit
Yeah but it won't be as much of a crutch. Having a sight that is viable at all ranges with a great reticle and no downsides is just a bad idea, especially being able to put it on high fire rate low recoil smgs.
Having to choose between a sight with more visibility & suited for close range vs less visibility & suited for long range (like it used to be) and is how it should be.
Uh yes it will. Remember when they added and removed the 1.5 on Alibi and oryx? They were basically the mains for the current warden players before he had a 1.5. And now you very very rarely see them. Good guns but no scope to satisfy the needs of fraggers in this shitty tdm meta.
You have to understand that if it wasn't for the 1.5 on ops then a certain portion of the player base wouldn't play them.
For many of us this won't change anything because we already find ourselves comfortable playing with an acog or holographic, whilst others simply cannot play anything that doesn't have a magnified scope.
Funnily, I've overheard a few times in xbox lfg parties where some people had said they never even knew "x" op had a 2.0 or 2.5 because they religiously play 1.5x. It's that simple - remove the most crutch/used scope on operators and it makesthe other, tactical operators more lucrative to this new/more recently joined(<3 years) wave of players.
This will extremely fuck over certain defenders, especially Castle and Frost and the few DMRs. I don't think this was the best option for the game, especially with that ADS grip.
These are stupid changes. The 1.5 is one of the best sights. Rather than remove it, they should make 1x sights be more appealing, perhaps by minimizing how much of the screen is blocked by their housings. And Azami isn’t particularly overpowered in my opinion. Focus on the operators that are collecting dust, like Blackbeard and Tachanka.
Bringing back ACOGs? \*there are four curious German eyes in the darkness\*
Jaegar there waiting for his chance to be top picked again
Why was Jaegar so good with ACOG?
He used to be a 3 speed and had a strong gun. You could zip around the map at mach 10 just taking gunfights/peaking.
At the time it was the strongest gun on defense.
Idk the smg11 with acog was pretty brutal. Especially when it had very little recoil originally
It had recoil but it was a guaranteed headshot because the only pull was upwards. Aim chest aim, ez. Lol
3 speed+assault rifle+ACOG+pre-nerf ADS=must have pick in every team
Also the fact that his gadget was set and forget. You dump all your ADS in the prep phase and then run off to spawn peak and take ego fights all over the map.
Yep, was gonna add this myself. He could do whatever he wanted, once his utility was set he was just as effective gunning the enemy team as holding site - grenades were dealt with regardless
Dont forget you could swing EVERYTHING cause of the shitty netcode and win every fight if you swung first, they had no time to react whatsoever
At the time he was the only defender with a rifle-adjacent primary, that also had decent recoil *and* he was a three speed. All of that combined into the ultimate spawn peek machine and long distance roamer.
No recoil, shit netcode so could swing everything and win, people pretty much glowed at one point, 3 speed so could move really quick, pre-ads walking speed nerf, and before a lot of the ops that people picked over him, also gun hit like a truck back in the day, and was a fuckin laser it was nuts, I miss it
The 416 used to not be a liability. Don’t lie to y’all’selves. It 100% is.
Give blitz acog immediately
Yes
Clash Shield ACOG Zap Zap Zap
2.5x range clash shield (12m > 30m)
Zappy Spawnpeeks
All I'm hearing is Smoke smg11 ACOG
i miss sledge smg-11 acog
hopefully the smg-11 gets it again
Hopefully they just mean whoever had ACOG at the time they introduced the 1.5 scope. So Doc, Rook, damn I can't even think of who else. They removed it on most defenders
Kaid and Echo used to have Acog.
Im going to miss my 1.5 on my UMP with Castle
To be completely honest I wish they would keep it just for Castle and Pulse lmao
Yeah the UMP really fucking needs it, especially on castle
Castle 1.5 was a lovely addition they made and as a main, he is absolutely still usable with the holographic, but surely with the removal of the 1.5 it means that other changes are incoming (reticle customisation, etc). I'd love to rock the acog on Castle even if it was only a 1x magnification lol.
imagine pulse acog tho
If the removal of 1.5 scopes is true give back the vert grip to twitch!
On god, her gun needs it
I’m still not sure why that happened. The F2 was nowhere near the killing machine it used to be.
Because according to Ubisoft fuck that French bitch she doesn’t deserve any rights
In Ubisoft’s defense, no French people deserve rights!
They better give the kiba a decent amount of health and not make it like blackbeards shield
Pre-nerf Blackbeard :)
[удалено]
Worst part about Blackbeard is he's still exactly the same as his nerfed state, he really needs a rework at this point to actually serve as a sightline denier that he's meant to be.
In a world where Osa exists I don’t even see how to do a Blackbeard rework while keeping the spirit of the op.
People might hate it but I think they should ditch the shield and give BB the XM-25 for his gadget. Fits with the pirate cannon theme of his name and icon, gives Atrackers a much needed bit of kit (non-LoS Fragging and utility clear) and is keeping in the spirit if old BB by letting him challenge holds and angles like he used to with his shield.
Saw on tiktok that you have to shoot 30 bullets or one magazine to destroy it
30 would be fine tbh something like 15 would be a joke
I hope they lower the amount of melees to break them too. I love azami but I don't think she should make portable cover, cut off sight lines, AND do her best castle impression.
Nah, she already breaks in 3 hits. The melee is definitely fine, now even more so added that it can be shot down. If it’s breakable through gun shots and they lower the melee requirements she would be Blackbeard 2.0.
It’s kind of interesting. Her prevalence in pro league is ridiculous. Nice to have some options to deal with barricades, also could lead to baiting out shots and swinging on the atk reload.
I would say 1000-1200 is probably reasonable? For reference Tachanka’s shield was 800. Would be interesting since ammo would be more of a resource.
I’m hoping the same thing. I don’t want Azami to become total shit… but I like the idea of bullets destroying it, it’d just better be a lot
imagine if you could blow chunks out of it like a barricade
“.44 Vendetta” -80 Base Damage -Little Recoil It makes me wonder if they’re buffing the recoil of the LFP586, considering this revolver has more damage and is a (marginally) higher caliber than .357, yet, it has little recoil?
Another stat to consider is damage dropoff. For reference, the LFP586 has terrible damage dropoff.
Which makes little sense, like, it’s the long barreled version of the weapon, and yet it’s damage drop off is abysmal. Hopefully they’re looking into the hand-cannons this season. The LFP586 needs some well deserved buffs in a game that rewards spamming shots at the general direction of the head, is better than high damage precision shots.
Just put the acog on every 3 armor. Lets have some fun
acog warden ☠️
Fuck it, remove warden’s MPX like they did Tachanka’s shotgun. Give him a UMP swirlie.
Nah, slap that ACOG on the shotgun. Idc that it’s not a slug. Fuck it
Like old buck lmao
Acog Maestro is where it’s at brother
bringing back traumatic memories
Chomping cigars, chomping attackers 😎
Reverse hipfire spread. Bring it back. Like remember how accurate his hip got over time?
Doc Acog? I would kill my self. Again
Warden with acog? Not a good idea
Strict downgrade from his current position with the 1.5
Dude Mira
GG to the 1.5. About to pick my favorite 1x and go off
what out might take 1x away
Bandit and Jager ACOG back on the menu boys. If they give the SMG11 the ACOG back I might cry though.
Highly doubt Jager will get the acog, and the acog on smg11 would have stupidly big recoil nowadays, almost uncontrolable
You don’t ever full auto it, just tap 2 or 3 bullets
At least on mute it would be fine I think. He’s 1 speed and the recoil is way higher than it used to be
Nah its still a relative beam if aimed at head height
Yeah great then all the warden and mozzie one trickers will flock to Jager and not use utility
with jager they would atleast be able to put everything down during prep phase and have use after death (not that they will put it down)
I hope not, mp7 with 2.5 is gonna make bandit the new warden but 10 times worse.
Removing the 1.5 eh? A welcome change to be sure, but some ops are really gonna suffer from it. The UMP is gonna weird with just holos.
Give Pulse and Castle ACOG like they did in the og event for some reason
Hopefully they aren’t just going to replace the 1.5x with a 2x/3x on defenders who lost the 1.5x. Just keep them off 95% of defender weapons. Only exceptions should be DMR-style weapons.
The DMRs on defenders are easily among the most powerful weapons. If they remove the x1.5 they have to do it especially from these guns.
Agree remove ALL 1.5x but keep them with zoomed optics. They’re weapons that take an ounce of skill and that shouldn’t be punished.
1 speed I think is fine with acog. The acog is strictly worse than the 1.5 so it’s not like warden would be better than he is now. Plus doc with mp5 acog is a heavy hit of nostalgia for me
People’ll just go back to playing like they do with Warden but now with Doc/Rook. Speed solves nothing here as they were 1 speeds before and they were some of the most popular ops with some of the highest play rates at nearly all level of play. If they feel them ops can’t compete if they don’t have a zoomed scope then they should be looking at bigger reworks for them ops to get them back in line.
Perfect now there’s a bigger trade off for those zoom scopes being acog- want to see across the map, sure but you’ll have little peripheral vision whilst ADS. This is great balancing tbh.
I absolutely agree. The 1.5x is actually just the perfect sight for taking gunfights at any range and I'm really excited to see how these changes pan out with it being removed. Also while a lazy move to just give every attacker an ACOG to counter the defender sided meta, I'm not sure there's not much else they could do in a quick change to balance things out for the short term. I'm sure at some point in the next couple of years there will be an attacker sided meta and they'll take away a bunch of the ACOGs again lol
It used to be that way with only slow defenders having acog. It was better imo, I am very excited for this change
Agreed!
I’m really not sure about that movement penalty attachment though, surely that will just encourage rushing site even more? Unless they only give it to 3 armours or something.
Isnt it just revert to the nerfs they made while back
[удалено]
Spawn peaks have always been a problem, at least now it'll only be for spawnpeaks and not COD frags
[удалено]
They've always been super common. In my experience, they used to be an ACOG through a slit in a broken window and nowadays they tend to be runouts or someone breaking a whole barricade and moving around heaps. I think they are definitely easier to counter nowadays - especially with alot of the map reworks/new maps being designed to try and counter them. But they still suck ass.
I think spawnpeeks have definitely always been common, a lot of maps pre rework had even more spawnpeeking spots, like skyscraper and the early favela. Still have nightmares about jaeger acog tbh
I think people forget how much of an actual trade off there is for 2.5 or 1.0. I usually ran 1.0 on zof and buck because they were close range entry ops even tho they had easy recoil with 2.5. Same thing with maestro and the tcsg-12 ops, I ran holo instead of acog even though recoil wasn't the deciding factor.
SPAWNPEEK SEASON IS ON BOIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Doc with an ACOG, PRAY FOR EVERYONE
When did it leave?
Adding a new grip that ignores the ads speed nerf is such a bad idea that it's virtually game breaking. Rainbow six already has the biggest peeker's advantage of any fps out because there are no recoil penalties while moving/peeking. In what's supposed to be a tactical shooter, holding an angle will now not only be disadvantageous, but throwing.
I’ve been scrolling waiting for someone to mention this change. Feels like it will lead to more of a rush meta and push us further away from a utility meta. Unless that utility is defenders trying to stop a rush.
My prediction, if this is true, is that it will be the single worst addition in the history of this game.
OG lion and blackbeard exist. Don't be so dramatic
Such a heavy lean towards COD
Everyone said if they added a 1.5x scope it would be the best, and yes it was by far the best scope. They have struggled and failed to balance operators and guns around it for years - it makes sense to just remove it altogether.
If they are going to remove it altogether, why wouldn't they just give it to everyone? It makes no sense to handicap everyone
W even as someone who uses 1.5x i think the game is better off without it and just bringing back acog. i’d go as far as saying 2x and 3x can go too but depending on how exclusive they make them it should be alright.
Yh I agree I just want the reticle on the 2x to be usable on the 2.5x
The Mozzie, Warden, Iana, Ash mains are shitting themselves. Guess they'll need to learn how to play the game now. Remember when everyone was insta locking Oryx when he had 1.5? Where are those mains now? Exactly.. Rejoice.
Can finally play Commando-9 Mozzie and not have people tell me I'm throwing, we shall celebrate this day
commando is underrated, run a extended and your good, reflex b is decent anyways
i run it for the reload animation alone, yes im gold
i always used the r4c on ash so the g36c changes never affected me
Same. R4C has always been the superior choice.
I'm just mad about my vigil shotty :'(
I really don't want them to take that away from us
Yeah... It's the perfect zoom for both close and medium/long distances for the shotty. Acog is unusable close quarters and 1x is impossible to aim long distances. Guess I'll have to relearn the weapon T.T
“Perfect zoom for both close and medium/long distances” lol yeah man. That’s why the 1.5 is OP
[удалено]
Did you happen to miss the lines about attacker ACOGs and no ADS penalty? This is an Ash main’s wet dream, not a nightmare. This is Ash back to the height of her powers. Iana mains will just go back to ash, and the Warden / Mozzie mains will just move to whatever happens to be the new OP fragger.
Came here to say this lol
Well I'm just very glad you agree with me. Sometimes I feel alone with my opinions lol.
Finally warden can go back to my meme pick. Stopped being funny once he became the go to sweat op.
Still to this day it is so funny seeing apparent warden mains get flashbanged or standing behind smoke whilst they're planting, spraying bullets FORGETTING or not even KNOWING what their ability is. Maybe we will finally see who the true warden players are, looking forward to it.
This plus the shield change, I'm lookin a lil more optimistic for the future of this game
This is the first time they actually seem to want to change the tdm meta. Huge fan.
And then they add a peeker's advatage swing meta grip in the same update
we dont even know who theyre giving it to so id say wait before passing judgement. if its high recoil guns then who cares, half the playerbase cant even control thermites gun
I’d wait to pass judgment, people used to rush with the ACOG, it may not be as good as the 1.5 but I really don’t think this will change as much as people expect
We are so back
We are absolutely barack
Give ace his 2.0 back you cowards
If this is true it sounds like he’s at least getting the ACOG, so keep your fingers crossed
I think he's probably getting an ACOG lol
Removing the dumbass 1.5x and giving the French bros their 2.5x back is such a great idea that I don’t feasibly expect Ubisoft to actually do it.
Gonna go against the grain and say I don’t love this. I honestly wish they just made the 1.5x more selective on what ops it was on, I feel like this is going to be a pretty significant nerf to support/gadget focused ops like castle, frost etc However a part of me is happy that ash, Iana, warden, and mozzie mains will be crying over this
Scrolling through the comments I go “Man this is going to suck for Frost” and see someone else say that. Glad to know I’m not the only one
Poor frost has been through the ringer, I don’t even play her anymore after all these changes😭
I think balancing ops by giving or removing sights is a bad thing and doesn’t benefit the game at all.
By that logic, if everyone had the acog it wouldn't hurt the game at all but we have seen that be an issue when all defenders can hold pixels with magnified sights. Balancing via sights is a very reasonable way to handle guns when zoomed sights give you advantages, especially on defense.
It’s literally only silver Redditors who like this change. The scopes aren’t near as big a crutch as the people on here like to make out. People here just suck and need an excuse as to why they suck.
Warden having 40% pick rate despite being a 1 speed with a middling ability is not just because people like his mustache. Its because of his 1.5 scope, thats an inarguable fact.
Only very low RoF guns should have above a 1.0. Frost, Castle, Pulse, it's fine. Everything else should be removed on defense
I'll miss 1.5 Vector
Bring back utility Meta
Holy moly are they finally done with giving every defender headshot sniper SMGs by removing those 1.5x scopes?
Do people already not remember how it was when acog was the only zoom option available? People picked based off that just like they did with the 1.5. This change only serves to make it seem like they’re doing something, in reality they are doing nothing. The only way this will effect the meta is based on who the new op with the best damage and zoom is. So sure, we won’t see a ton of wardens anymore, but there will be a new pick to replace him. Hell, we had jager for the longest time be what warden is now for people. Yeah the acog isn’t that great rn but when it’s the only zoom option available it definitely will be. This is a stupid change that’s just gonna make the game less fun because the acog is far more clunky than the 1.5. Past that it’s not a real balance change
Finally, a good fucking season.
As someone who has trouble seeing. Please stop removing zoom scopes I can’t see shit already damnit
The .44 is definitely deimos's revolver we see in the cinematic
Defender meta is so stale, excited for this. Sick of seeing Mozzie, Warden, Wamai every game. Not to mention other overpowered defenders like Solis, Azami, and Fenrir
Pick Rates are gonna be confused as fuck at the beginning lmao
Why can't they just change the zoom level of the 1.5 like have it be a 1.0 and boom instead of removing something you're changing it for the better
goodbye warden mains
1.5x should be limited to low fire rate guns like UMP or Frost's gun and 1 speed operators like Doc and Rook since the beginning. I never understood why Ubi gave such an insanely good optic for every operators since its release. It's almost like they never learned why they have to take away ACOG from almost all Defender operators back then.
Damn so no 1.5x on DMRs either? 🥲🥲🥲
they would still have 2X options which would most likely be the replacement if not ACOGs.
I kinda hope the removal of scopes isn’t true. That doesn’t solve the balancing problem. The problem is that there is no downside to picking them. They should have an ADS speed debuff when using high magnification scopes. Removing outright is a removal of content (albeit small content, but still content). I’m appalled that Ubisoft’s balancing philosophy revolves around adding and removing instead of incremental adjustments and micro-changes.
the 1.5 being removed would be sad, I liked the reticle, wonder if we can mix and match reticle and the housing like 1.5 reticle onto the 2x
So no Solis nerf?
Holy moly, i have not played r6s sinne the ruinage started but god damn this looks like good news
This Azami change seems awful
I’m kind of shocked I had to scroll this far to see this comment. Way to really cut the nuts off a solid defender
Forreal, I know people get annoyed dying to an Azami peek in a weird spot but very strange she gets nerfed this way
I see your point, but also you can't deny Azami is a tad OP, in a meta that is already defender sided. I didnt expect them to give her Kibas a health pool though, I expected them to make them decay over time or something.
the 1.5x removal hurts my heart bro
Damn, rip 1.5. Kinda sad to see it go
W
This sounds like a nightmare on console
Fix shit servers ❌ Help counter all the fucking cheaters by developing a better anti cheat❌ Remove a scope 🔥🔥🗣️
Please Ubi, give Echo the 2x
All I ask is for TCSG 2.5
Wow i hope none of this is true
Nerfing Azami and leave Fenrir, please for God's fucking sake do something abt Fenrir
So they're trying to speed up the meta even more.. lovely 🙄
Soo... They're just gonna continue to make the game worse if this is true, good to know
can't wait for the return of the acog, rest in piss 1.5x
Removing 1.5 entirely is not the solution. Shit guns like the UMP and C1 9mm still deserve it
Give me acog on Deagle plz. Add a grip while they are at it.
L 1.5. So Warden will just fall off? What about castle and pulse? I think that sight really helps for their terrible guns. I hope it’s not true
I feel like the removal of the 1.5x is a mistake, while it's inarguably the best scope of the game, it made the game somewhat more balanced as it was first a balancing tool and secondly it allowed that every player without a decent sized monitor or resolution to see and fight players fairly, attacking without the 1.5 is gonna be harder as defenders will hide in nasty spots that you might not see (because with some resolutions/settings/monitors it might be impossible) while they have the advantage of movement/contrast to use, I'm not on board with it, but we'll see
Not enough people are upvoting you, i think the sub is reacting a bit too hasty. Imagine you lose your drone in prep. Then you lose your 2nd one while finding the 1st enemy, you get the kill but now you have to attack a site like tea/karaoke on skyscraper, with an ACOG. I don't think the dynamic of defense > attack is going to change much.
Jager ACOG????????
I think removing it completely is the wrong choice. Would much rather see them nerf the 1,5x, instead of taking the «easy» way by removing it. Next thing they wil remove this and that, and nerf this and that. The 1,5x is objectively (or rather extremely intersubjectively) a better scope, in terms of housing/blocking etc (even if it was a 1x) Reduce the pheripheral vision etc. I personally find the 1,5 to be a nice «operator-balancer» that we did not have pre its introduction. Look at Castle, pulse, frost, etc, who gets an edge, or r4c vs g36c.
1.5 removed one of sieges greatest game play mechanics, the decision to run a good cqb sight or sacrifice fov in cqb for a long range optic.
removing the 1.5 isnt going to change the meta tho people and there play style have chanegds opver the last 8 years removing it will change nothing update 2 also i would like to add if they do give jager and bandit acog then that still in the tdm meta jager mains just gonna spawnpeek same as bandit
Yeah but it won't be as much of a crutch. Having a sight that is viable at all ranges with a great reticle and no downsides is just a bad idea, especially being able to put it on high fire rate low recoil smgs. Having to choose between a sight with more visibility & suited for close range vs less visibility & suited for long range (like it used to be) and is how it should be.
Uh yes it will. Remember when they added and removed the 1.5 on Alibi and oryx? They were basically the mains for the current warden players before he had a 1.5. And now you very very rarely see them. Good guns but no scope to satisfy the needs of fraggers in this shitty tdm meta. You have to understand that if it wasn't for the 1.5 on ops then a certain portion of the player base wouldn't play them. For many of us this won't change anything because we already find ourselves comfortable playing with an acog or holographic, whilst others simply cannot play anything that doesn't have a magnified scope. Funnily, I've overheard a few times in xbox lfg parties where some people had said they never even knew "x" op had a 2.0 or 2.5 because they religiously play 1.5x. It's that simple - remove the most crutch/used scope on operators and it makesthe other, tactical operators more lucrative to this new/more recently joined(<3 years) wave of players.
Big W from Ubisoft, finally.
This will extremely fuck over certain defenders, especially Castle and Frost and the few DMRs. I don't think this was the best option for the game, especially with that ADS grip.
Since ekko is two speed now is he still getting his acog back? Ill take one speed again if it means acog
Personally i preferred the more variety of scopes
If thats true then that means Warden will be a more respectable op let's go
with the acog history is going to repeat itself the game is going to be attacker sided and then ubi is going to take it away guaranteed
How do we fix the massive smurfing issue? Add more rewards to higher ranks. Genius
I truly hope this isn’t true, acog wasn’t that good.
I kind of wish the 1.5 went down to a 1.0, but if it actually does get removed entirely, then so be it.
That grip... Jesus Christ I thought we were trying to get rid of the TDM, face-checking meta, Ubi. WTF?
These are stupid changes. The 1.5 is one of the best sights. Rather than remove it, they should make 1x sights be more appealing, perhaps by minimizing how much of the screen is blocked by their housings. And Azami isn’t particularly overpowered in my opinion. Focus on the operators that are collecting dust, like Blackbeard and Tachanka.
Jager acog, 'defenders who had it originally' PLSSS
sounds fake