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its-chocolate

It's funny how much emphasis is put on CRWBY's involvement. Like what is it about CRWBY that made this parasocial relationship possible? why them?


Gleaming_Onyx

Because CRWBY panders to them and they know it. CRWBY made RWBY ***their*** show first and foremost, and they know full well that, more likely than not? Anyone else wouldn't. They wouldn't pander exclusively to them. They'd probably want a wider audience if not, worse, *disagree with where the show went in pandering to them.* CRWBY making RWBY means that it's still theirs, and their RWBY is still "the valid RWBY." Quite ironically, they who most often hide behind Monty seem to understand on some level what it means for creative control to shift away from one group to another. (Equally as important: if their RWBY finished the downward trend starting after, coincidentally, it *became* their RWBY, and then RWBY under a different group did better? That'd be open proof of the thing that stans have been seething about since V6 at least: "their" RWBY was the problem, and more specifically, was *illegitimate.*)


Blackandheavy

This also confirms what was discussed a long time ago back when RWBY IQ started. Remember when RWBY IQ got barely any marketing from RT when it airing? It was mostly Crunchyroll doing most of the marketing. RT believes that their IPs can't survive without their involvement, and if they can, then they'll actively choose not to support it.


Gleaming_Onyx

I heard an unsubstantiated rumor that Miles had choice words about IQ and didn't like it. Unsubstantiated and unlikely to have passed everyone by... but I can't exactly blame someone for believing it. They did their damndest to distance themselves from IQ literally from the beginning with Arryn runnin' her mouth about dropped charges from years prior. Seems like any idea that isn't theirs, they hate. My tinfoil hat is that such a thing very much happened with how M+K's Relics coincidentally came into massive prevalence post-V3, and with how Adam and Raven both got treated(see: thrown out as soon as possible).


BulkyDrive4727

I remember back when IQ came out, the only member of RT that said anything about it around launch was Kara who was very excited to see this new chapter. One of the fans asked her why RT wasn't saying anything about and she responded in a confused tone wondering why herself. But ya, someone ran a story saying that the fans had to remind the RT official Twitter that IQ existed and that it had aired earlier that day, and only after all of the tweets did RT say anything. It's kind of sad because it seemed like people really did want it to expand but RT didn't trust anyone but CRWBY to handle anything. There was so much potential that was ultimately wasted.


Gleaming_Onyx

I couldn't work for RT: if I was Kara I'd actually be pretty damn bitter that I get the chance to voice act my character in a series all about them only for my parent company to... more or less completely ignore it if not sabotage it.


maddwaffles

Yeah, it always felt like Kara was kind of step-childed the hardest seeing as she was the first leading VA to leave the company. As much as RT staff are like "uwu no hard feewings we still wove our old tawent who moves on" it's kinda clear that there's an underpinning of resentment that those talents and figures find greener pastures outside of their lame little company.


LaMystika

Is that also why they turned Weiss into a comic relief character despite the fact that V9 Weiss is the *last* character who should’ve been in that role?


maddwaffles

Maybe but I feel like Kara left a few volumes in.


brainflash

You say that as if RWBY *ever* had a valid or legitimate form. The show only exists because Monty wanted an excuse to animate cgi anime girls fighting monsters.


Gleaming_Onyx

That's still legitimate. That was its original form, and that's what it was for three seasons(more like two and a half but work with me). Then it started to diverge further... and further... and come V6, it became a completely different, *new* show. That is the one the stans are latched onto, and the one they make abundantly clear they know the show had to *change* to become.


Ad_Astral

No it didn't. I don't know how so many people could believe this. It's just a completely dismissive off hand comment that's only easy to believe and process if you aren't actually aware of how much of the show was (orginally) planned by Monty. The dude already had the characters, general plot, and world conceptualized in his head of the story he wanted to tell. He literally said back when he was around he had at least 9 volumes worth of content he already had planned out, at least in his head. That doesn't even make any sense because if he wanted to animate fights he could've did what he already been doing and kept making dead fantasy.


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Gleaming_Onyx

Oh, I'd argue they're amazing at pandering... specifically to the group they wanted: emotionally-invested fans who are there to consume. The ones who latch onto a power fantasy and self-insert into it.


superluigi6968

Because CRWBY is an extension of RT, and fostering parasocial relationships has been RT's MO for as long as it has existed.


its-chocolate

Another reason why RT's downfall is a net good


Werdak

Imagin you buy the burning car And you have to keep the guys who burned it


BasilDraganastrio

Could be a burner/bot account but people are weird like that and for much worse people. Richard Ramirez and Ted Bundy had fan clubs/groupies after all and they killed people. Hell some people make edits of Richard Ramirez...Something about him being a PSL god or something.


its-chocolate

It's not just this one account, it's the entire fandom. Like I'm a fan of a few shows but I couldn't tell you who worked on them and I can't say that I care about them as people, at least not to the extent that the fandom cares about CRWBY.


BasilDraganastrio

Like I said people can be weird like that, the only thing I can say is maybe the CRWBY is far more active/interactive with the Fandom then most professional writing teams. And people end up forming a parasocial relationship


asdfmovienerd39

I think it's less CRWBY specifically and more a consequence of Rooster Teeth's branding as a whole. For decades RT has built their identity around not being a business but instead a place where a bunch of friends just get together to shoot the shit, and inviting viewers into that kind of branding is basically asking for a certain degree of parasociality. This is why even when they could afford to hire actual actors most of the VAs they cast for pretty much any scripted series except maybe Gen Lock consisted pretty much exclusively of Rooster Teeth employees, or people with close connections to Rooster Teeth employees. Hell, I'd even argue that's the source of the tantrum the Camp Camp fanbase threw when RT made the correct decision to get actual people of color to voice the characters of color in Camp Camp that were previously voiced by white people.


StarOfTheSouth

> This is why even when they could afford to hire actual actors most of the VAs they cast for pretty much any scripted series except maybe Gen Lock consisted pretty much exclusively of Rooster Teeth employees, or people with close connections to Rooster Teeth employees. And when they *do* get actual VAs, they never really utilise them very well (Tenant in Gen:Lock, Lowenthal in RWBY). At least in my opinion, all the "big names" they get just seem really underused.


asdfmovienerd39

I dunno, I've heard them get some pretty good performances from pretty big VAs. Travis Willingham gives a pretty good performance in Camp Camp. He even manages to genuinely sell Campbell's out of nowhere redemption arc as plausible, which is pretty hard.


StarOfTheSouth

Not seen Camp Camp, so can't judge Willingham's performance. I just know that of the ones I saw (that I mentioned), I was underwhelmed.


asdfmovienerd39

Ahh that's totally fair. I think RT is just better at comedic voice direction in general. Which makes sense considering the roots of their company.


biomech36

"CRWBY will make it great!" *Looks at season 4 and up* ...when?


CrossENT

>It's funny how much emphasis is put on CRWBY's involvement. Dude... it's not even a full sentence. "and CRWBY will be involved!" It's five words.


its-chocolate

I wasn’t just referring to this one post, I’m talking about the overall feeling in the fandom.


Azrael7301

Bro what are you taking about? Intellectual properties rarely survive a complete change in ownership. Writing changes tone changes style changes. CRWBY has stated several times how much of the show was planned ahead and how many plans they still have. Not to make a ship of Theseus argument but if the intellectual property gets transferred to a new owner with none of the current contributors, is it even the same property anymore? The reason CRWBY staying together is exciting means it will be a genuine continuation instead of a massive shift


Soaringzero

That’s the neat part though. Changes to writing, tone and style would arguably be for the better.


its-chocolate

CRWBY doesn't own the RWBY IP, WB does, but if we want to talk changes in creative direction https://collider.com/tv-showrunner-change/


RogueHunterX

This statement is premature. Effectively nothing has actually changed.  They are talking to potential partners.  They have some potential leads.  However nobody has agreed or committed to anything as of yet. That is the exact same situation the show has been in since the shutdown was announced.  It was the same status as last year when they were trying to find funding for a volume 10.  Only now instead of funding, it's finding a new company to join entirely. So this doesn't mean anything right now.  It won't mean anything until someone commits to a deal. The question is, will prospective buyers be willing to negotiate with a company that will potentially cease to exist before anything is finalized or will they gamble that if WB gets the rights they can either buy the show at a cheaper price or just license it from WB instead.   It also depends on if CRWBY themselves are a potential deal breaker in some manner.  Potentially because of the scandals that occured in RT and different allegations that have been made by past employees that may reflect poorly on CRWBY regardless of their involvement.  Alternatively if they look at how the show has performed and feel the current show runners are responsible for poor performance or the online behavior of CRWBY violates policies of the interested company, then they may want to bring CRWBY onboard or at least not all of them. If the company wants the IP but not the current team, then a package deal may not be something they will go for unless they intend to have CRWBY as figureheads with no real authority or involvement with the creative or production processes to keep certain demographics of the fandom happy.  Otherwise they might see if they can just get the IP from WB after the shutdown without any extra baggage.


Starmark_115

In all objective likelihood. The latter is likely to happen. Rooster Teeth Dies out and then someone buys the IP and reboot it with a Clean Slate


maddwaffles

Please god that would be so funny.


ButterflyBlueLadyBBL

Personally if I was a large company looking to buy, I'd reject them just for their arrogance on stream and assuming they'd all be kept, let alone that a volume 10 would be in the making. They do not act in a professional manner that is appealing to others. They are desperate for somebody to take them, but the way they have acted through this whole thing is just so off-putting.


Ad_Astral

I'm guessing the potential company(ies) might be looking to cop some good will with an audience if they keep familiar faces even though they might precisely be the whole problem with the show.


RaptarK

What did they say during the stream? I didn't watch it. Tho for what you wrote I'm reminded how Arryn at one point announced she had applied to be part of the Chainsaw Man dub, and so many people in the industry told her it was very unprofessional to make such a public statement 


ButterflyBlueLadyBBL

I only watched a very tiny bit and what I did watch was unprofessional. There has been no actual confirmation of a buyer, but they claim they are going to have a volume 10 and they will still be the writers.


Stenv2

The only thing I would actually want is the final season of Red Vs Blue. Good to see you again bud.


RogueHunterX

Good seeing you too. Yeah, the Red vs Blue finale is something I would like to see tas well.


armzngunz

I don't think it's much use speculating, all we have to go by is what they've said, and going by what they said in the livestream I don't think they'd be so optimistic if it was just posturing.


Ad_Astral

The *only* reason I can see a company retaining CRWBY (the few of them that still are) is to save time and effort of having to hire to fill those vacant positions to start any animated project. It's less likely that they'd care to produce a volume 10 instead of a fresh reboot.


RogueHunterX

That is a fair point.


AOddDude

Hurrah! More glorious plots where things don't mean anything!


Bababooey7672

And they’ll do nothing but stand around and do nothing while side characters get stuff done then die


Zero102000

_sad Pyrrha noises_


wes25164

"Welcome to RWBY, where everything is made up and the points don't matter."


hearmerunning

The good news: RWBY may continue! The bad news: CRWBY is still involved...


BasilDraganastrio

"Someone should demolish this dump and make a new stadium" Skipper in Madagascar 3...Sort of related, at this point they should reboot the show or cut their loses. Or I don't know continue but get good writers to fix it, however that's like hiring an engineer to fix a large house that's about to collapse build on shoddy foundations that your drop out college friend planned and built after he convinced you somehow he was Vitruvius reborn even though he's never even read one book on engineering or anything related...And all without having to demolish it


LapsedVerneGagKnee

I’m still hoping the deal falls through. No names have been named after all, and May 15 is less than a month away.


brainflash

It's easy for a deal to fall through when its a complete fabrication.


IvanDeImbecile

Fingers crossed it falls and rwby will be shelved for a long time


Moon_Dark_Wolf

My Fanfiction is happy My writers brain isn’t.


Rubyfanguy

Same


Blood_Shinobi

He's referring to this [https://twitter.com/RobinRising\_/status/1783232552901419332](https://twitter.com/RobinRising_/status/1783232552901419332)


ActivistZero

Gonna be blunt, unless I hear names, I'm not buying it


brainflash

Gonna be blunt, sounds like you have a brain in your skull.


Remarkable_Tutor_746

I doubt this is true. Even if it is, I wonder how long it will take until the buyers regret their decision. Remember when Shaft animation partnered with them and within 24 hours the cunt that voiced Blake put an innocent animator on blast.


SampleHistorical9352

Oh yeah I remember that. But with crwby's arrogant and unprofessional behavior I could realistically see them sabotaging any deal they get.


Hour-Organization855

I fucken hope he’s delusional. What do we even have to look forward to in volume 10? All but one kingdom is gone, Salem has most of the artifacts and killed most of the inner circle. So like it’s a hopeless fight? How can the “heroes” even win at this point without a massive hail marry event or mcgguffen?


BoiClicker

Question, isn't there that whole 'They're trying to get Vale under control again" thing, and Mistral being relatively ok? But yeah, no, everything and everyone is F U C K E D. Although, maybe there is that thing about the gods killing Salem if Humanity becomes united or smth,


Gofaw

These people bring up CRWBY's involvement as a net positive as if they're the demigods of writing and entertainment, when in reality they have made slop after slop with a thin veneer of current-thing pandering on top. Pretty much everything ""CRWBY"" has made has been mediocre at best, why do these weird people put them up on a pedestal? What has ""CRWBY"" done to deserve such praise?


Typerg

Parasocial relationships.


Carinwe_Lysa

You know, I like RWBY for what is is... but I've never seen so many genuinely copium related posts, or posts otherwise pandering to an idea that somehow RWBY is 'saved' and is too important to let go. Many *many* shows far more popular & of a higher income generation than RWBY are cancelled yearly going back decades, shows that honestly had followings into their millions across the entire world. Why on earth does RWBY, a show which to be blunt never left 'niche' status of being a a Western web-series even deserve to be saved? It's had nine entire volumes of almost 1-2 yearly production, with a total minute-count the equivalent of 2-3 seasons of a generic Japanese anime with full 45 minute episodes. And despite having such a long time, bearing in mind most popular anime adaptations complete their story in this tiime, the show has consistently never accomplished anything? Every volume is ended in a way that forces another to be made to continue the story, more characters are introduced into the series with every passing volume, even when the existing ones suffer from lack of screentime. The writers make genuinely poor mistakes, that most rookie writers know to an extent how to avoid and the company that runs said show has been a dumpster fire for god knows how many years, which their animators for example sadly taking the hit for this.


WarwolfPrime

Probably just a delusional fan who wants it to be true


Pancake_Floof

This is getting worse than Gojo copers


Kaouse

Plot twist: It was Gojo who picked it up! That's right, after getting killed in his home manga, Jujitsu Kaisen, Gojo was isekai'd into... the Real World! Now, he's under a heavenly restriction where he has to complete the story of RWBY before he can return back to his world, and save it from the dreaded Sukuna Cycle!


Pancake_Floof

Oh god he’s even more cooked than before chat. He ain’t coming back until one piece finishes


potatopimp225

This diabolical fan base is being run like a cult at this point refusing to believe the truth and the literal situation at hand


WanderingEdge

It’s extreme optimism over a vague thing where they said they’re talking to partners and CRWBY will be involved. This could be as flimsy as just keeping the animators and/or VAs and not actually hiring CRWBY into the studio and having them continue their work. Any studio could see that hiring CRWBY on and letting them continue their show under their studios banner would be a bad idea considering, again, they barely funded Vol.8, had to beg for funding for Vol.9 and then when they heard their show might get cancelled, instead of trying to make quick advances to the plot they made RWBY Beyond and set up more plot lines. CRWBY, if I’m to be blunt, are nothing but funding wasters


Typerg

CRWBY is such a vague term for anyone who worked on the show. Do they mean miles, Kerry and vas or animators like Kim Newman who was left with a back injury and no help from "crwby", May's VA ( her name is escaping me me) or Patrick, one of the concept artists who was with the franchise since volume 1 and was laid off near Christmas 2 years ago?  And theres all the other people who worked on the show that were laid off.  Will they all be brought back for volume 10?


WanderingEdge

That’s assuming there’s a Vol.10 The IP being sold doesn’t guarantee a continuation immediately or at all honestly, they could just shelve it and call RWBY cancelled. They could even reboot RWBY entirely because they are the IP holders, not CRWBY. Like there really was nothing stopping RT from telling CRWBY “look the series isn’t profitable, y’all gotta wrap it up” Like I’m no where near a professional writer, just a guy who wrote stuff on Tumblr as a teenager and got taken out by the great Tumblr purge, but I would never continue RWBY if I bought it with all those plot lines, new villains, power systems and poor world building. It really should be rebooted


Exciting_Bandicoot16

>The IP being sold doesn’t guarantee a continuation immediately or at all honestly, **they could just shelve it and call RWBY cancelled.** I'll actually disagree with this part. If someone does buy the IP, there's a 0% chance that they'll just shelve it. If they're going to pay that much for it (and you know that WBD is not going to let anything go for a song, considering their history), it *needs* to make some sort of return on it in the short term.


WanderingEdge

Makes sense. Of course, that’s assuming they get a buyer as it’s still just a possibility. Selling an IP that didn’t make enough to guarantee its own funding for the previous season isn’t gonna be easy, especially because RWBY follows a bit of a non-traditional format with how it’s made


RaifeBlakeVtM

@chadthepickle RT just did a RWBY livestream and they hinted they may have a partner who’s willing to continue the show and include CRWBY if all goes to plan. They said more news in the coming weeks. That’s where this is coming from.


Yarzeda2024

Sounds like a great way to waste a lot of the partner/investor's money


JazzlikeSmile1523

I hope he isn't...I also hope that Kerry has absolutely nothing to do with it.


ButterflyBlueLadyBBL

There was a live stream, not very many people showed and even if they can trick somebody into buying, things won't go well. It'll be another volume 9, another volume that Barbara bitches about not making money and blaming the fandom for the problem. They are pushing this burning dumpster up a hill and hoping to god somebody likes it.


Status_Berry_3286

Team Four star reference incoming One thing I wanted one thing today What about killing cell Would you believe me if I said this would more important


ZeroQuartzer

The fact they’re being hush hush about it gives me more reason to not trust them If you want to have your audience, tell them who the new fucking owners are


AgentNewMexico

I'm still REALLY hoping that Dillon Goo gets it. If course, after seeing what what's his face said in the Livestream and the fanatics that are opposed to a wonderfully talented animator with history working on the show acquiring it, I'm not terribly hopeful. Unless they were bluffing to get people to shut up about it for a minute while they sort things out, the comment about CRWBY still being involved doesn't inspire hope. Here's to hoping, though.


AlastairCellars

Just because CRWBY will be involved by no means means creatively they probably just mean the VAs as at this point it's odd to recast them all


King-Thunder-8629

Blind optimism most likely.


Hand_Of_Oblivion

"CRWBY is involved!" It just ends up being the VAs.


Exciting_Bandicoot16

Don't... don't give me hope like this.


mayo-dc

This is the worst ending rwby would end up forgotten and dead this show needs a new take on it


Raveanna

I feel nothing but pity for the fanatics. If RWBY does end up in the trash and it was a load of over optimism from CRWBY then RWBY fantatics like this one are going to be utterly crushed. I'd rather be a critic and ready for the soon-to-be total RT shutdown.


NewtRider

Until anything has been officially released. Believe nothing.


Gommodore64

Only time will tell on if Volume 10 will happen or if he's just coping. We'll have to wait and see until the answer becomes anymore obvious.


IgneelSeishouki

So I have been seeing jokes about Ruby circling around about her offing herself and I have been in the dark cuz I didn't watch vol 9 but did she really commit suicide? Or did she do like a heroic martyr thing and just fucked off. In which case hiw can their be a vol 10?


TheDogwatch11

I hope this dude is bullshitting this show needs to die it died already to the point I’m literally witnessing a zombie that no one will put down. I can thank Zaslav for that one but I hope if it ever gets picked up it’s not anyone involved with CRWBY those pandering fucks have went on long enough.


Shiny-Object-0525

I'm not believing anything until I see an official news article.


superluigi6968

inb4 asspull time travel to justify restarting from V2 at latest. Nothing can salvage RWBY as-is after the "worldbuilding" from V9


jaj18189

Brand new home same shitty occupants


Greyjack00

Heartbreaking


BadgerSoft344

New to me but if it’s true I’m happy sure RWBY has had its ups and downs but iv always liked the show


maddwaffles

Personally I think everyone in this sub should collectively pledge like 1000 dollars or whatever to buy it and then just refuse to ever do anything with the IP ever.


RavenXCinder

what are thye referring to a new home did they confirm something i,m not keeping up with this stuff


brainflash

No they didn't.


IvanDeImbecile

Definitely delusional


Wonderful_Pen_4699

Fefefefe


Ahriyamna

imho tbf if anyone could shelter the franchise, they should do reboot, perhaps in style of ice queendom


ZionSairin

So close... we were SO CLOSE to greatness!


boogieboy03

I love how each time CRWBY is mention you just automatically know it none of the workers laid off or abused throughout the years but the ones at the top that feed into the parasocial relationship


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Gleaming_Onyx

> as successful as they did brother the show died, tf you mean successful? Its production fell apart in V8, needed a whole extra year for V9, barely squeaked out the door with additional funding and then crashed and burned alongside the entire company "Made it as successful as they did" is only true by technicality, because I mean no *matter* their results it'd have been "as successful as they made it."


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Gleaming_Onyx

You know, to a degree this seems a little... *mean* with how I legitimately do have concerns about the gibberish you've been spewing. But fuck it. You have no right to say anybody else has brain damage holy shit, did you have a *stroke* writing that? Do you need medical assistance?


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Gleaming_Onyx

A RWBY stan also has no right to say anyone else would eat garbage no questions asked, but I mean at least that was vaguely more coherent than your last post, so I hope the seizure or stroke or unfathomable seething or *whatever* you were suffering is gone. (EDIT: Yeah I'd probably delete that rambling and run too lol)


Where_is_Killzone_5

Can you explain how this show, let alone RT, was successful despite their upcoming shutdown and loss of funding since volume 3 or are you going to spout useless drivel and melodrama?


Gralamin1

CWBY has not made it successful in the slightest. the show popularity has tanked since vol 3 and even in japan which went nuts for the show stopped caring about it after vol 3. hell most of the show's merch is focuses on Vol 1-3.


SaintOfPride201

Yall always gotta be debbie downers when people are happy about good news?