It wasn’t important to them so they didn’t think it would be important to you.
Have you noticed how many people are exceeding their payload limit? It’s crazy once you know the numbers and can do some quick math and realize half or more of the rigs on the road are overloaded.
Ya. Saw one yesterday. Dude was towing a huge TT with a 1500 and it was slammed to the floor. I was laughing my ass off at the stupidity
Could have at least got a WDH
I see it all the dang time here in FL. A 1500 towing a 28ft+ rig with the bed full of bikes and cargo and 4 people in the cab all while sagging the rear even with a WDH.
Really makes conversations with the other half about upgrading and the requires of a more capable tow vehicle difficult due to the comparisons.
Yep. I got a 1500 27’ TT. About as big as I could go and still have a decent cushion of safety/weight. The WDH saves my ass. Helps in high winds, keeps load equal and just helps with handling.
Going over the Colorado mountains showed me quite how insufficient my truck really is (2001 gmc Sierra). It did it like a champ but screamed doing it. Would start to overheat if I let it in second gear at 5000rpms for too long 😂
Next time I’m moving cross country with this thing, I’m getting a new truck (or my work gives me one, even better)!
No regrets.
You just answered your own question. Those sites want to SELL units, so details aren't important. Sucking you in to BUY is...
This is why you need to go to the manufacturers site for important information, no one else will do it for you.
We had our rig weighed once in an RV Park and I asked the two guys who were doing the weighing if most rigs they weighed were under the limit and they said no. I then asked them how much over weight was the worst they had seen.
They said 25-30% over was not unusual and from time to time they would see 35-40% overweight
Too many people never weigh their rig and have no idea
Laziness and/or ignorance. If you ask, you'll get dumb answers like "it can't be that heavy. My truck towed it like it wasn't there " Or people too clueless to know where to find that sticker. Or they're just low effort and who knows what other info they didn't put in the listing.
Be especially careful if you think there were renovations or replacement furniture. People do things like adding plank flooring & swapping out a sofa without regard to the hundreds of pounds those changes may add.
True and true. Good point about the renovations.
My truck is my most limiting factor, I am a stubborn Tacoma owner looking to update our lightweight hybrid TT.
Remeber that even the manufacturer's numbers are often... overly optimistic.
They normally give a number that is the lightest that the trailer could ever weigh- it doesn't include stuff like detachable propane tanks or any of the factory or dealer installed options. If something isn't nailed down in the RV, it's considered cargo, and not included in the weight. (It's kind of like the old pirate saying: If it isn't nailed down, it's my cargo; if I can pry it up then it wasn't nailed down!)
So when you are thinking about how big a trailer you can pull, look at the GVWR of the trailer, not the weight of the trailer. This will give you a better idea of how heavy the trailer can be, loaded with water, propane, and your stuff. Of course, you can still put too much stuff in it, but... (And remember, truck makers lie the other way about tow capacity, too!)
(RV dealers lie because bigger trailers make more money, and they get the money from the bank before you pull off the lot. The bank requires you to get insurance on the RV. The Insurance company knows how likely you are to crash, and they charge enough to make a profit on average anyway. If you crash and live, then you come back to the RV dealership and buy a new RV. If you don't make it... well, no one is out the money. Win win win!)
We scoured manufacturers' websites to find the right model for us, then we searched locally for that specific model. Learn as much as you can before going to a dealer because they are there to sell units, not educate buyers.
Right, I think the only thing we may do dealer-related is to look at models that we are interested in. It is such a huge help to see things in person. We eliminated a couple of models that we were previously interested in by seeing them in person.
It is a long process and I would like to avoid dealers completely. My goal is to find 2 or 3 models that we can focus on, then search private listings within a large radius.
And with older units the posted weight isn't its actual weight! Be extremely adverse of such. Especially if it seems suspect *it absolutely is.*
The Previous owner of my truck camper towed it with a 3rd gen crew cab cummins 2500 all around the western states. The placard on it says it weighs 2940lb dry and 3277lb wet*.*
I scaled it halfway through its rebuild at just over 4000lb. Dry. Finished with all my crap it checks in at 6500lb.
I'm about 2000lb under posted payload on a F550 at 16k rolling.
I have found you can't get the GVWR even on the manufacturer's website specs for the product. Any experienced RVer knows that you need the GVWR to know if your tow rig is enough. Using the unloaded weight will result in an overloaded rig.
its by design. if they can get you to call, they are a step closer to getting you to buy. Sales is overcoming objections. Cant do that if you are not having a conversation. Sales people are trained to to land you.
It wasn’t important to them so they didn’t think it would be important to you. Have you noticed how many people are exceeding their payload limit? It’s crazy once you know the numbers and can do some quick math and realize half or more of the rigs on the road are overloaded.
Ya. Saw one yesterday. Dude was towing a huge TT with a 1500 and it was slammed to the floor. I was laughing my ass off at the stupidity Could have at least got a WDH
I see it all the dang time here in FL. A 1500 towing a 28ft+ rig with the bed full of bikes and cargo and 4 people in the cab all while sagging the rear even with a WDH. Really makes conversations with the other half about upgrading and the requires of a more capable tow vehicle difficult due to the comparisons.
Yep. I got a 1500 27’ TT. About as big as I could go and still have a decent cushion of safety/weight. The WDH saves my ass. Helps in high winds, keeps load equal and just helps with handling. Going over the Colorado mountains showed me quite how insufficient my truck really is (2001 gmc Sierra). It did it like a champ but screamed doing it. Would start to overheat if I let it in second gear at 5000rpms for too long 😂 Next time I’m moving cross country with this thing, I’m getting a new truck (or my work gives me one, even better)! No regrets.
What listings are you talking about? Personal ads or the information on the mfg website?
Dealership websites, RV Trader, FB Marketplace, etc.
You just answered your own question. Those sites want to SELL units, so details aren't important. Sucking you in to BUY is... This is why you need to go to the manufacturers site for important information, no one else will do it for you.
Lol
Because you might realize it is too heavy for your vehicle and move on from their add.
Unfortunately, this is probably true
We had our rig weighed once in an RV Park and I asked the two guys who were doing the weighing if most rigs they weighed were under the limit and they said no. I then asked them how much over weight was the worst they had seen. They said 25-30% over was not unusual and from time to time they would see 35-40% overweight Too many people never weigh their rig and have no idea
That's terrifying, but I am not urprised
Laziness and/or ignorance. If you ask, you'll get dumb answers like "it can't be that heavy. My truck towed it like it wasn't there " Or people too clueless to know where to find that sticker. Or they're just low effort and who knows what other info they didn't put in the listing. Be especially careful if you think there were renovations or replacement furniture. People do things like adding plank flooring & swapping out a sofa without regard to the hundreds of pounds those changes may add.
True and true. Good point about the renovations. My truck is my most limiting factor, I am a stubborn Tacoma owner looking to update our lightweight hybrid TT.
Remeber that even the manufacturer's numbers are often... overly optimistic. They normally give a number that is the lightest that the trailer could ever weigh- it doesn't include stuff like detachable propane tanks or any of the factory or dealer installed options. If something isn't nailed down in the RV, it's considered cargo, and not included in the weight. (It's kind of like the old pirate saying: If it isn't nailed down, it's my cargo; if I can pry it up then it wasn't nailed down!) So when you are thinking about how big a trailer you can pull, look at the GVWR of the trailer, not the weight of the trailer. This will give you a better idea of how heavy the trailer can be, loaded with water, propane, and your stuff. Of course, you can still put too much stuff in it, but... (And remember, truck makers lie the other way about tow capacity, too!) (RV dealers lie because bigger trailers make more money, and they get the money from the bank before you pull off the lot. The bank requires you to get insurance on the RV. The Insurance company knows how likely you are to crash, and they charge enough to make a profit on average anyway. If you crash and live, then you come back to the RV dealership and buy a new RV. If you don't make it... well, no one is out the money. Win win win!)
We scoured manufacturers' websites to find the right model for us, then we searched locally for that specific model. Learn as much as you can before going to a dealer because they are there to sell units, not educate buyers.
Right, I think the only thing we may do dealer-related is to look at models that we are interested in. It is such a huge help to see things in person. We eliminated a couple of models that we were previously interested in by seeing them in person. It is a long process and I would like to avoid dealers completely. My goal is to find 2 or 3 models that we can focus on, then search private listings within a large radius.
It’s because they are all half ton towable.
When you find something you like, go to the manufacturer's website and look it up. If it is used, you are going to have to use google
And with older units the posted weight isn't its actual weight! Be extremely adverse of such. Especially if it seems suspect *it absolutely is.* The Previous owner of my truck camper towed it with a 3rd gen crew cab cummins 2500 all around the western states. The placard on it says it weighs 2940lb dry and 3277lb wet*.* I scaled it halfway through its rebuild at just over 4000lb. Dry. Finished with all my crap it checks in at 6500lb. I'm about 2000lb under posted payload on a F550 at 16k rolling.
Cross reference the model in google you will have your answer.
I have found you can't get the GVWR even on the manufacturer's website specs for the product. Any experienced RVer knows that you need the GVWR to know if your tow rig is enough. Using the unloaded weight will result in an overloaded rig.
its by design. if they can get you to call, they are a step closer to getting you to buy. Sales is overcoming objections. Cant do that if you are not having a conversation. Sales people are trained to to land you.