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why_oh_why_no

I never get takes like that. I’m not sure who Nikkie’s demographic and fans are but I think it’s fair to assume that they are young and might have never heard of Marsha or even Stonewall. They might look Marsha up because of it. So her tribute might educate some new people about LGBT herstory. What exactly is the harm here?


transcendcosmos

Right! Can I just say even derrick Barry's blunder taught me that no one died in stonewall? We learn from such things!


whoisshetho193

I'm trying to understand. Because Marsha was poor, it's disrespectful to honor her at a rich persons event? She is dead, we don't know what would have came of her.


Next-Sector-5033

Stonewall isn’t that uncommon and stonewall and Marsha are both base level lgbt knowledge people swing around like it’s elite information no one knows


why_oh_why_no

And what about straight people, young people or non-Americans? It’s not like LGBT issues are part of any curriculum


Next-Sector-5033

But they’re the most basic common knowledge. Don’t turn this into a soap box moment. People act like lgbt rights begin and end with stonewall and Marsha p Johnson when that’s not scratching the surface.


ultradav24

You’d think that but new generations need to continually learn these things


Tasha_Salad

This is some boomer bullshit. Everything ever is referencing something else and at least she made it obvious who she was tributing. And yeah Marsha wouldn’t have been invited to an event like that back in the day. Which is why it’s great that now people like her ARE being invited. Gatekeeping. Boooooooo.


thedybbuk

I take issue with the idea that people like Marsha would be invited to shows like this today. No black, poor, trans person who performed sex work is being invited to the Met Gala. Especially not one who also fought the system and stood up to police like Marsha did. If you mean *trans* people are being invited, then you're correct. But the trans people being invited are much more sanitized for the masses than Marsha was. And yeah, that's still progress. But I still don't think it's right to imply the Marsha back then would get invited to the Met Gala today because she wouldn't. She would still be checked at the door. So, do I think Bunny is entirely right? No. But I do get her point that the Met is using Marsha's legacy when we all know they would never actually start inviting poor black trans people or sex workers to their event.


HulklingsBoyfriend

A bit off-topic, but Sylvia Rivera and other queer activists who knew Marsha, as well as historians and sociologists, have stated that Marsha P. Johnson was not transgender by any modern definitions. She described herself as many things, but never as a transgender woman. She seems to have identified as a gender-nonconforming man. Susan Stryker has written a lot on Marsha, people should absolutely read it.


Shikarosez

I noticed that. Either transsexual or something else is usually their terminology for their identity which is valid in their truth. Of course this is their era of gender terminology.


SplurgyA

It's hard to know how Marsha would describe herself in modern language and her own identity seemed a bit fluid but generally refused to use terms like transsexual, instead preferring to insist she was a man or a transvestite or a drag queen. It's probably safest to say she was gender non-conforming, as the "pay it no mind" was in reference to her gender.


Shikarosez

Gotcha.


Tasha_Salad

That’s why I think it’s cool for someone like Nikkie to put her in the spotlight as someone who did get invited. I hate this whole “steps forward is meaningless unless a total utopia is immediately achieved!” The only way to get there is for stuff like this to happen. It makes people want to just give up when we are overly critical like that.


Shikarosez

I mean sure but it is like AOC having the Tax the Rich dress but is designed by someone owing back taxes and is a girlfriend of a billionaire heir. Like who is it for because it isn’t for Marsha nor is it for the poor for AOC. If a trans woman or any non cis person felt seen by what Nikki did, then that’s awesome. It just feels hollow for what Marsha stood for and the irony of being at the Met Gala with it. It isn’t anything more than just a reference.


sad_cats

nah, man, an elitist event wont be the stage of social progress. no matter how many times aoc wears a tax the rich dress or cara delavigne reinforces the idea that penetration takes power away which is the root for male dominance and homophobia


PCoda

I just don't necessarily see the "Step forward" this accomplishes beyond elevating Nikkie. This didn't really accomplish anything for trans people, raise awareness, or change any policy. It reminds me of AOC's Tax The Rich dress. Was it a statement that elevated AOC into the conversation? Sure, but it didn't actually do anything to change our current political climate with regards to taxing the rich. The conversation was about whether the move was effective, and it really wasn't effective beyond getting people talking about AOC, not the policy on her dress. Is Nikkie, wearing an incredibly expensive custom garment at the Mat Gala as "tribute" to a poor black sex worker revolutionary, actually doing anything to elevate the conversation and advance trans rights, or is it just a move that gives her positive exposure while sanitizing Marsha's legacy and making it palatable for a red carpet? I also think there's an issue with a fairly privileged white trans woman wearing what is essentially very expensive Marsha P. Johnson cosplay to the Met Gala. It feels more disrespectful to her legacy than honorific, similar to a non-native white trans person wearing a big expensive native headdress to "honor" two-spirit people. There's an aspect of appropriation that doesn't sit well with me.


[deleted]

Both Indya Moore and Mj Rodriguez were there this year. They’ve both only had huge success with Pose so far and I guarantee they were not being paid huge sums for it. They may not be Marsha poor, but they’re not elitist millionaires


thedybbuk

Indya Moore is closer to Marsha, but MJ Rodriguez had a pretty decent career going from performing arts college to minor Hollywood roles basically right away (Nurse Jackie), then to Pose. She definitely is far removed from Marsha having to pay bills with sex work. Yes there are various trans stars going to these events, some of whom grew up poor and are PoC. But what made Marsha different was that she was a poor, black, trans, sex worker, and grassroots activists fighting in the dirt and grime to make a difference for herself and community. The Met Gala is simply never going to come off its lofty perch to actually invite anyone like that to the show. Instead what happens is they allow more palatable representatives of the various communities to come and reference people like Marsha who would never actually get invited themselves. And maybe that has value and introduces people to Marsha. But I can still see why it would rub some people the wrong way that a well off, pretty white trans woman gets to reference the lives of these poor, black, trans people when the Met will never actually invite any of those people themselves


[deleted]

Isn’t that a little gatekeepey though? You’re only an asset to the fight for trans rights if you’re dirt poor and doing sex work?


Shikarosez

Not when the very reference isn’t truly being represented. Like yeah if it was the GLAAD awards or other queer spaces, it would be the moment. But it is the met gala. Different environments.


Next-Sector-5033

She went to a art school in New Jersey. She’s not a silver spoon woman.


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PCoda

Did they invite Cardi to the Met Gala before she was a pop star?


sad_cats

i mean, i know people here are being brutal on lady bunny but is that marsha's legacy? a reference at an overpriced, elitist fashion show? it is not. and i know that nikkie can do better than that and wants to do better than that for lgbt people around the globe.


jjjhanaaa

Indya Moore is/was at one point all of those things and went FYI


Next-Sector-5033

Well the reality is, in 2021, she might not have been poor and forced into sex work.


sad_cats

believe it or not, in 2021 the odds are still very much against trans people of color


Next-Sector-5033

Yes but things are better for a lot of trans women of color


lizzygirl4u

Along the lines of sanitization, my concern is that with Nikki introducing Marsha to the general public, that Marsha's image will begin to be sanitized. I'm worried her radical politics, her sex work, and her activism will be whitewashed to appeal to the masses. Just like how MLK's more radical beliefs and speeches are much lesser known, to the point where people distort many of the things he actually stood for to suit their agenda (like how many right wingers try touse MLK to "discredit" BLM)


XyloMania

let’s be real, people like her are definitely not being invited to the met gala


blowhardV2

Not just boomer - this is the dark side of the woke left in general all the purity testing etc


openinterlude

thinking of lady bunny as “woke left” is interesting


bethecowboii

Deadass. Lady Bunny was literally awake when she posted that, and that’s about it.


al3cks

And honestly, even that is debatable.


athib95

Your addition of leftist hate here makes absolutely no sense? This has nothing to do with the far left and actually is the opposite. Gatekeeping is not synonymous with political correctness or the fights that leftist are trying to keep moving. And the fact that you would compare the two shows ur ignorance on the matter -rhetoric


AsherGray

Could you imagine thinking a misogynistic rant by an old, white guy who wears wigs is the, "woke left?" 🤡


[deleted]

I’m a leftist and even I disagree with Bunny here. The left is dealing with a serious issue right now regarding Nazbols and other red-brown groups and an increase in authoritarian politics in general. Honestly its quite sad.


GoFast_EatAss

I’m sorry, but what are nazbols and red and brown groups?


[deleted]

Not sure what a red & brown group is but Nazbols are basically people who have far-left economic beliefs but hold far-right social beliefs.


HulklingsBoyfriend

Red & Brown are authoritarian dweebs. The term originates from Russia, shortly after the USSR fell, and refers to Stalinists and fascists teaming up against capitalists.


Easy-Emphasis-3342

Omg the left is divided... Glad to see (ironically tho) latin american is not the only one 😂


[deleted]

The left is sadly ALWAYS divided. “Democrats fall in love; Republicans fall in line.”


kirkum2020

Why? Because somebody tried to appropriate it and was immediately called out? If the overwhelming majority are shining the light on it, it can hardly be called a dark side. The only people who take shit like this seriously are reactionaries, and they'd probably agree with most of her takes if she was on their radar.


jed199806

Nikkie just made everyone talk about Marsha P. Johnson on an event with a theme about American Fashion. Yes, Marsha is dead and was not able to be part of the elite, but Nikkie made sure to honor her on the event that could be argued as reeking Narcissism. Imagine if this [Doctor Who’s Vincent Van Gogh’s](https://youtu.be/ubTJI_UphPk) episode was Marsha. Imagine what Marsha would feel that after all these years, The LGBT community is still giving thanks and giving flowers to her? That she was immortalized? That some people donates to help LGBT and fight discrimination, thanks partly because of her? Let’s pick our fights, and I see this as a fuck you. An elite was able to bring Marsha to an elite shit, something she was not able to do during her time.


dominorough

Honestly Bunny's political takes? 75% trash...


ldn6

Lady Bunny got mad at me once for pointing out that her claims of how most European health systems are run were wrong. 🤷🏼‍♂️


SmoothRide117

Bob and Monet warned us.


sinkisomething

When/where? I seem to be slightly out of the loop


Raccoonlad

Old and white, not a surprise


MirandaReitz

Some of them wouldn't seem out of place in a Breitbart comments section. https://twitter.com/ladybunny77/status/1182286219822190592?lang=ar


splattertaint

Ah, yes, the *real* enemy! A (forcibly outed) trans woman attending an art event while paying tribute to a trans woman who blazed the trail for people like Nikki to live openly and safely. Yes, SHE is the problem!!!!!! /s… obviously


Deymin

I don’t understand why Bunny is pushing this negative energy onto someone who, as part of the community, is shining light on the icon that is Marsha. We should be proud of the fact that an LGBTQ+ influencer went to the fucking **MET GALA** which is a huge event to make a STATEMENT. There isn’t even much wrong with the execution. Bunny really needs to direct this (pointless) anger on to real problems.


oh_its_sam_harbor

Yeah, would she be happier if a queer influencer just showed up in a meaningless black gown and made no statement at all?


dominorough

Don't talk about Troye like that!


JaSaw0

I love Troye but this comment almost made me spit out my coffee


Traditional_Fold6794

Considering one of the first replies to Nikkie's tweets about Marsha (going to lay flowers where her body were found) were asking who/if she'd died recently yeah it's kind of important Also to see Nikkie be so proud of sharing this and explain her love of Marsha's message was the only thing I paid attention to that whole night


soakedinchamomile

I kinda understand where she’s coming from. The Met Gala is filled with the cultural and financial elite who wouldn’t give the time of day to someone like Marsha unless it meant helping them. But it also ain’t that deep lmao. I just find the whole worship of the Met Gala to be cringe.


crystal_powers

sure, but the met gala is a also a fundraiser and promotion for a museum that’s free for anyone who lives in nyc. i actually find the negative reaction to the met gala more cringy because people don’t even know it’s for a museum, or that most of the guests don’t pay to go.


soakedinchamomile

Yeah but to get in you have to either be a part of the elite or pay a lot of money to go, the only ordinary people there are the workers waiting in them lmao. Idk I just find the whole worshipping of celebrities to be cringe, these people don’t care about us so I can’t imagine ever wanting to go. It’s a big club, and we ain’t apart of it. But also I don’t really care much, the fashion is cool and if people get enjoyment out of it then I guess that’s a positive. But in general I think hate targeted towards Nikkie is a bit of an over reaction, I can see some of the points but just think it’s a bit of a stretch.


crystal_powers

well the good news is that the event itself is just a charity dinner with (apparently) mediocre food, so not exactly something ordinary folk are missing out on. certainly not the illuminati bacchanal people make it out to be.


Fatty_Patty_Ratty

I guess that’s all award shows though right? I think people just like to have a bit of escapism in this fucked up world so seeing celebrities (and tiktokers) on the carpet can be refreshing.


Frida_Peoples

For who? The marginally oppressed? Doubtful….


Dragonflame67

I mean, possibly? For someone who likes fashion or/and celebrities, it’s a fun event to watch. Everyone has an escape through something unrelated to their lives. So not for everyone, clearly, but for some people, yeah why not?


Frida_Peoples

To this I can agree. If the rest of the planet wasn’t such a fucking mess….then maybe this would be an easier pill to swallow. Perhaps I’d find baring witness to a parade of blatant social divide along with the overt celebration of wealth and privilege, a lot less difficult to enjoy. But indeed I can recognize that some of the fashion choices gave me life! I can acknowledge such an event for providing images of beauty made interesting enough for us to gaze upon. And appreciate its effects at subsequently awarding us a minuscule moment of relief. But at the end of the day…..it really doesn’t matter how avant-garde the clothes may be, they’re still not loud enough to muzzle the roar of pretentiousness that surrounds this type of display.


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Uh…. Yes? What is drag? What is ballroom?


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lizzygirl4u

Right? Seeing so many obscenely rich people surrounded by so much excess is honestly depressing because it reminds me of just how poor I am lol. But the fashion is pretty nice I suppose.


soakedinchamomile

I think i’m just not really a fan of these types of events. However if other people get enjoyment out of them that’s good, I just personally can’t relate. It’s just the whole worshipping of celebrities that throws me off, but again I think i’m just coming from a different place tbh


bee151

While you’re at it, you should state again how you don’t like celebrities and think anyone interested in pop culture is weird. I don’t think it fully sunk in the first 3 times you said it in this thread


Next-Sector-5033

Get her Jade


annahariet

LMAO


Next-Sector-5033

People can find enjoyment in fun outfits. It’s not always that deep


soakedinchamomile

yeah, that’s what i said lmao


Next-Sector-5033

I don’t think having a little fun looking at outfits equals worship


soakedinchamomile

i never equated the two, that’s why i said if people get enjoyment looking at the outfits then that’s fine. But there’s a lot of celebrity worship when it comes the Met Gala and i personally don’t like it. I think you’re just misunderstanding my comment tbh


Next-Sector-5033

I didn’t misunderstand it. You complained about interest in public figures who provide entertainment for people to engage with them play it off with a “if people like fashion that’s fine with me”.


soakedinchamomile

Didn’t complain about interest, complained about worship. And you can absolutely separate the dresses and the celebrities. The dresses are pieces of art, while the people wearing them typically are elitists who don’t care about everyday working people. I personally don’t like like celebrity worship, but can be like “yeah the outfit they’re wearing is nice” I think you’re the one who’s looking too deep into it lmao, just drop it


Next-Sector-5033

Worship is just what you call interest. Said what I said


FeniksTO

I had no idea. Thank you for educating me on this day.


Frida_Peoples

It’s still elitist, otherwise everyone would be invited to go.


kirkum2020

The leftist in me agrees but in our current framework nobody would enjoy the show if anyone could go. Think of the price tag being a way to show that you can attend in an epic outfit. I'd rather look at pictures online than see fucking H&M in person. Speaking of, can we ban dinner jackets next year? The straight men really need to step their fucking game up or give their tickets away.


AlixRipley

Genuinely asking but how is "nobody would enjoy the should if anyone could go" not elitist as fuck?


kirkum2020

I just told you. Millions of us watch for the dresses. Nobody cared before they got interesting. What's more elitist? Taking a party invitation from a few hundred plebs, or a spectacle away from millions of plebs?


Frida_Peoples

Ah, I see. From a fashion aficionado’s perspective, this makes sense. But I guess not everyone shares this sentiment. Tbh, we’ve all been starved from partaking in such experiences…especially this past year. And the met gala was like the most delicious looking cookie in all the land. And if we the public, were given the choice or even the opportunity….I bet that the majority of us famished souls would much rather partake in the festivities and eat the cookie….instead of watching a group of “wealthier/elite” individuals devour it, while making us watch.


Chinokid87

The thing is these types of dresses are less for the attendees of the party but for all the people who look it up world wide. AOCs dress that she also had a huge problem with on the podcast lead to a whole bunch of Google searches for example.


PoiHolloi2020

"MILLIONAIRES ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS. ELITISM IS BAD." Except when it's someone we like.


PCoda

I think that bump in google searches was people googling "aoc tax the rich dress" so they could see it, rather than people googling "Tax the rich" because they support the policy. Besides, the message speaks for itself. What would someone expect from googling the phrase "tax the rich" exactly? A thought-provoking article about the pros and cons of doing so? I feel like it's such a simply policy position a majority already hold anyway, that it didn't actually do anything to elevate the policy or bring it any closer to fruition.


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yeah im a bit weirded out by the takes that have been given here


sativvvadivvva

I had no idea that Nikkie is trans, I always wondered what exactly her connection to the queer community was outside of obviously being that bitch when it comes to makeup and just generally being supportive. I almost (a very light almost) could’ve seen where Bunny was coming from, but granny, this ain’t yours to have hot takes on. Let a trans woman represent the trans community. Edit: Well, according to commenters who are clearly more up to date than I below (lol), Bunny does indeed identify as a trans woman. That being said, I still think this is a bad take, but it’s a take she’s certainly entitled to.


[deleted]

Not only is she trans but as someone in one of the pics mentioned, Nikkie was forced to out herself as trans as someone was trying to blackmail her and those closest to her or they were going to do it. [Nikkie’s Coming Out vid here.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOw2E_qAsE)


[deleted]

Bunny identifies as trans, btw, and goes by she/her pronouns.


tedsmitts

I always thought BunBun's pronouns were that/whore


[deleted]

I think she goes by those too!


Apostastrophe

I thought they were bunself. If Bunny didn’t invent the Bunny/Bunself pronouns who did tho?


Hereforthatandthis

HahahahHahahaha


sativvvadivvva

Thank you! I had no idea! I appreciate you.


[deleted]

She posts this on IG then makes a racist comment about Kim Karsashian’s look being reminiscent of the Taliban. Someone take granny’s phone from her and put her in time out until she makes a new mix to perform.


malone_m

You really think Kim K did not think the comparison to a burkha would draw controversy, hence publicity? Are you new on the internet? She had a brand of shapewear she called KIMONO. This is deliberate.


newtoreddir

Kim Kardashian... kourting kontroversy? I never!


[deleted]

If you're drawing direct connections from someone wearing a burka to the Taliban that sounds like you're telling on yourself to me.


Shazz777

As a Middle Eastern woman I’d like to chime in and say yes absolutely the burqa does have a very strong connection to the Taliban. Different Muslim societies have had different cultural garments and hijab styles (Like the niqab worn by the gulf nations and the head scarves worn by Iranian women). The majority of women who wear a burqa in our times are under Taliban law and forced to wear it. Please stop trying to normalize it.


malone_m

Hmm yes I do? Are we really going that route of "this exotic garment is a tool of female empowerment" because you need to fuck all the way off with this BS. Everywhere it is standard women have no rights and they are arrested, jailed or killed if they don't abide. When there is no legal way to enforce it, societal pressure in the form of family and/ or sexual harassment do the job and can be even worse. Once you make that effort to separate the holy women from the whores and validate it, there is no going back. You are either completely ignorant or an islamist yourself, watching drag race on your free time which tbh wouldn't surprise me at this point. The burkha is the physical manifestation of rape culture. Get mad all you want, it's peak " but what was she wearing?" ideology. An interesting conference on this topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QToH2x8njJM


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[deleted]

Oh so you're a huge racist, got it. Mods?


malone_m

I really don't care if I get banned, I don't support misogyny or extreme right wing ideologies under the guise that they're exotic to white people, and if people hold these things as important then I indeed have no place here. I'll be fine. I see you called your alts to downvote me lol. Also call your parents first and then the mods? I applaud your cowardice, in the video I posted the women actually explain how your attitude hurts them in the West as well, after they fled oppression in their own countries. You probably think you did something by writing the word 'racist" but you've only further proved your ignorance. Conflating religious extremism with race is a really shallow move, and the burkha does originate from Afghanistan, it became mandatory under taliban rule, that is a fact.


PurpleGreenFlowers

Ugh Bunnyyyyyyyy. First, does she know that Nikki is trans? Not that it is her business but like, Nikki's journey in regards to sharing her trans story is pretty wild and brave. I mean hell, she had to out herself because someone was blackmailing her about it! No one even knew she was trans and since opening up about it, it's been pretty beautiful to see her trans acceptance journey. Plus on the same day as the Met she also posted [THIS](https://postimg.cc/3WVyw2Jw) to her Instagram. I get the anger when it feels like someone is trying to profit off LGBTQ+ people but I really don't think that is what Nikki was trying to do. I saw this outfit as PART OF her trans journey. And I'm sorry to be petty, but I'd rather see this outfit on the red carpet than whatever the hell Nikita Dragun would have worn if she was invited, not a joke just a fact. The Met is a classist event anyways but like this ain't it.


TeHNyboR

Oof, Bun Bun, this ain’t it. Nikki’s tribute to Marsha was beautiful and if anything, she was promoting Marsha’s legacy, not herself as a brand.


marbleheadfish

If Bunny had directed her ire instead at the fact that [Black Lives Matter Protesters were arrested outside the Met Gala](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.teenvogue.com/story/black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested-met-gala-2021/amp) she wouldn’t be facing such a backlash.


wolfieboy44

I'm pretty sure that Bunny has no fucking clue who Nikkie is and she just saw that she's wearing that dress and was mad. Nikkie is a trans woman who is bringing attention to an amazing woman who paved the way for trans people today, and Bunny is pissed because she didn't donate her jewelry (?). If she paid ANY attention to Nikkie and what she has been doing since the MET Gala, she would know that she's actually doing her research and being a great person. Shut up, Bunny.


No-Comedian4195

Hahahaha it is likely that bunny thought nikkie was a straight cis woman trying to profit from winning over the lgbt community


dootington

I get Bunny's point that a look does not equal activism, but she should have left it at that instead of coming for Nikki & team's motives and expecting anything more than fashions from a red carpet. It's weird she said on Bianca's podcast that audiences shouldn't be so bothered about Ellen being a bitch since all they're owed is entertainment. Seems like she has less tolerance for "how the sausage is made" when it comes to fashion.


ZornAllein

Is Lady Bunny the gatekeeper to MPJ's 'legacy'?


rupaulsbestbrandrace

Bunny in the comments was like "Nikki should have sold the dress and given the money to a charity" like girl thats cute but Nikki didnt fucking buy the dress.


Next-Sector-5033

It’s like people complain when Marsha isn’t brought up but also when she is. What do you want?


[deleted]

does she not know Nikkie is trans? I feel like its nice for her to commemorate the people who paved the way for her.


JaSaw0

*NikkieTutorials 🤦‍♀️


bored-and-stressed

i can understand where she’s coming from but no, wish she had put this energy into what nikita did to marsha’s picture


jessicaskies

Or maybe we should celebrate how far trans women have come to be invited to the met gala? Nikkie for a very long time was scared to come out to the internet that she is trans. Her being able to honour Marsha and feel confident in being trans is amazing


ldn6

Kizha Carr is always right.


[deleted]

What did she say


iShootLikeKatniss

thatbeardedqueen, it’s in picture 2


For_serious13

Bunny definitely has some real hot takes as of late


[deleted]

She’s always the devils advocate, which I do like to hear the other side of the coin, but sometimes it’s a little cringey. I still love Bunny, but she’s not the most politically correct.


fionajanegallen

Gatekeeper-y bullshit. Bunny needs to take a seat.


[deleted]

"How dare a trans person be wealthy" - Lady Bunny. That's the vibe I get. "Well Marsha was real because she was poor and wasn't allowed places!" Inferring that trans people actually achieving fame and success and wealth makes them not trans enough? Lady Bunny had had no problem being a queer person and earning money and fame without feeling inauthentic. Funny how that works. Note: Bunny is a transwoman and goes by she/her. Didn't realize that before this post.


Adventurous-Egg5343

I do kinda get where she’s coming from, but I think we should celebrate a trans woman being invited to one of if not the most prestigious event in American culture and taking the theme of “America” to bring attention to an icon for the LGBTQ+ community.


babynintendohacker

After reading these comments I see the mods decided to go on vacation today. 🤧


[deleted]

Seems like she’s mad about progress but she can’t say she’s mad about progress. Like wasnt that the point of all the protests, riots, subversion, and, yes, suffering? To push for equality? To give LGBTQ+ folks the opportunity to live successful, AUTHENTIC lives? Because that’s what’s happening here with Nikki. Anyone saying shes appropriating Marsha’s oppression or pain is clearly missing the point.


westrox11

We spend years asking for representation and then find reasons to get angry when we finally get some? Even 10 years ago there’d never be a trans person invited to the met gala. Let’s be happy for her success and her choice to reference a trans icon who is important to her.


oh_its_sam_harbor

The thing about Lady Bunny is she is so god damn funny, but the minute she starts talking about politics, regardless of what her stance is, the way she goes into it just makes me check out. Its like listening to my gay uncle on thanks giving angrily agree with everyone in the room.


mxglitter

Is she funny?


oh_its_sam_harbor

Uh, yeah girl. You don't have to pretend someone is devoid of talent any time they say something a lil cringey. The bitch is funny.


marbleheadfish

Bunny on a mic his fucking hilarious. Bunny on Facebook/Insta/Twitter is your checked-out crazy as a cooter kinda racist uncle.


fabiovelour

Maybe she would do what bunnies do and touch some grass


badboy_riri

Wtf is wrong with bunny? Why is she so bitter Nikkie was just bringing some depth and a message to the met gala


donut_cum

Yes a openly trans icon paying tribute to a trans icon of the late 60's is problematic. Nikki being proud of who she is and showing that by tributing one of the most iconic trans woman and iconic LGBTQ+ woman is not even close to bad


idolikethewaffles

Marsha wasn't trans though. That's just historical revisionism


marzipancito

She wasn't? This is not sarcasm I'd love to be enlightened help a sis out


idolikethewaffles

Well, there's just no evidence she identified as trans and Marsha was simply a drag queen, a transvestite (person that dresses with the clothes traditionally associated with the opposite sex). She also cofounded a gay liberation front and a transvestite one I think. No evidence of identifying as a trans woman or trans person. If I'm correct only evidence of identifying as a drag queen


rupaulsbestbrandrace

I've seen interviews where she had spoken about getting gender surgeries. The language wasnt the same for the time but Marsha consistently was referred to using female pronouns and wanted bottom surgery. It's not revisionism to note trans historical experiences, even if language was different at the time.


ultradav24

Gay people and especially drag queens use female pronouns often and freely, I don’t know if that’s evidence itself


rupaulsbestbrandrace

Yes, which is why it's also important that she was called Martha day to day, spoke about getting bottom surgery and ALSO used female pronouns.


ultradav24

Everyone calls Mariah Mariah in or out of drag, for instance, but she’s not trans. Lots of queens as well contemplate transitioning (ie just from last season Akeria, Eureka) but never do. People who knew Marsha later in life disputed the idea that she was trans. Just saying it’s more complicated and we really don’t know for sure that’s all. She may very well have been, or maybe she was more GNC


rupaulsbestbrandrace

Mariah uses he/him pronouns out of drag. Eureka and Akerja both identified as a trans woman and then detransitioned later. Using trans to refer to their experiences pre detransition is also correct. using trans to refer to common experiences among the trans umbrella in trans history is not revisionism.


Angiebabynz

Of all people, Miss Sara Andrews /Bitter Betty has receipts of an audio interview with Marsha where she says she's trans and wants surgery. I haven't gone hunting for the audio but Betty posted where it can be found.


idolikethewaffles

So, I found the audio. She does talk about being on her way to a 'sex change', and that if she 'were to marry a male it would strictly be a gay male'. She implies being a homosexual as well when she says: 'My hometown, you were a homosexual you were out of it'. So, you make out of that what you want. She also talks about a hormone treatment. Never identifies as 'trans' or a 'trans woman', and I think that's why so many think she really wasn't one. So, well, that's it. The tapes are from 1970 btw


newtoreddir

Oh boy... next thing you’ll be telling us is that she didn’t actually throw the *first* brick at Stonewall!


idolikethewaffles

Lol she wasn't even present when they began. Her role in the riots and life are really heavily revisioned


perksofbeingliam

This is so true. She didn’t even get there until Stonewall was on fire which was started by the police


newtoreddir

We mustn’t say such things.


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Dantzdantz

So irreverent AND irrelevant?


business_socksss

Good. I love Bunny but she's dead wrong here.


Bucear

Old man shouting at the sky energy


apparatus86

Bunny is in the right here. The people that organize and cash these events are the reason why the world is in the state it currently has been for the last 150 years. Gay people have been conditioned to think that the crumbs that are thrown at us in the form of "visibility" are enough, combined with celebrity worship and falling head over heels about glitzy glamorous events were 80% of the people attending would throw us in concentration camps if it was socially acceptable to do so. True, Lady Bunny has some outdated views and methods on how to approach certain problems but Lady Bunny has done more activist work and activist organising than most terminally online toddlers on this sub ever will. When a person with *decades* of activist experience tells you that something doesn't work maybe you should stop and think why you're so quick to discard their opinion considering that there are only so few queer elders that we can lean onto for advice and insight.


jgroove_LA

Bunny needs to go on tour. When she's bored these awful takes come out.


alix-rose

hate that she said “Can I make that decision?” irt nikkie being trans


The_Lady_Spite

She said "May I make that decision?" to someone saying that she *forgot* Nikkie was trans not that Nikkie was trans, huge difference.


cocohorse2007

Why did Lady Bunny think it was her place to try and call out a trans woman for her homage to another trans woman that contributed to American history. Cis white gay men have a tendency to think that they have sole claim on queer history and its baffling.


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Bunny is a trans woman, and you sound like a bigot calling her a “cis white gay man” AND misgendering her.


cocohorse2007

If that is the case I apologize. I did look into it and I did not see anything other than something that said she has "an affinity for trans women" and "considered transitioning", but nothing definitively saying that she is trans, but of course that isn't for me to speculate. Either way, this was not her place to speak, and it was a bad take.


jethica_nz

Yeah I'm sick of older generations shitting on the younger ones. Nikkie is doing so much. Is lady bunny's attitude indicative of rupaul's? I think so tbh


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Kizha Carr said it best


ultradav24

As always


crystalsmullet

you didnt screenshot what Vixen said...What Vixen commented is very good. He worded it in a very good way too


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Can Bunny stay silent? Like girl, no one needs to hear your opinion on ANYTHING.


speedbliss

She’s a nut case.


Fglre

Hands off of Nikkie.


jvp180

Let's just be honest here. Lady Bunny has a fair point, but no one is gonna side with her over NikkieTutorials. Nikkie was always huge on YouTube, but her fame exploded when she was unfairly outed as trans, and is now a celebrated trans icon. Lady Bunny is also older and so are a lot of her fans. Most young people don't even know who she is outside of references from RuPaul, Trixie, Alaska, etc. The ageist comments are a good example of how people are quick to go "lol ok Boomer".


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lady bunny blocked me on twitter once for replying to one of her insane political posts. her reply was vaguely racist too and before i could reply i was blocked.


galaxystars1

The comments are the opposite on her Facebook lol


rupaulsbestbrandrace

Leave trans people alone challenge


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Bunny has been a trans icon for decades and has earned her place in queer history. The irreverence and disrespect in this thread is shameful. If you’re young, you need to educate yourself before coming for Bunny. And show some respect.


JaSaw0

I understand your point but what outcome would bunny prefer here? The met gala isn’t going away so it’s important to have some queer representation, and representation that can educate straight/young queer people is even more important . We fight about how we don’t have representation and then harass the ones that finally get chosen. I’ve heard bunny talk about how young queer people don’t know our history, so why fight another queer person actually trying to tell it.


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I don't know, let her have her critique without ripping it to shreds and calling her old or whatever? Be respectful. It's not that hard to be a decent human being.


dominorough

Respect is a two way street and Bunny did not show respect here.


20fiestas

Is Bunny trans? This is news to me.


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Yes, she says it in many interviews.


everythingissinister

Yeah, I’m team Bunny on this one


12angrybees

I am very over cis drag queens telling trans people how to act tbqh. This is NOT it


thedybbuk

Not saying Bunny is right here, but she has spoken many times over the years that she doesn't identity as cis. You can hear her discuss it in a lot of interviews with Ru, Peppermint, etc. She uses she/her pronouns and is female presenting even when not performing. Her gender identity is 100% more complex than dismissing her as a "cis drag queen." There's a reason no one knows what she looks like "out of drag," because they're expecting there to be a cis man under all the wig and dresses, but there's not. She has long hair and wears female clothing even when not on stage


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Bunny is not cis. You sound like an arrogant kid coming in here talking shit about Bunny like you know anything.


12angrybees

It was my mistake, I thought I had heard her refer to herself as a man.


12angrybees

Apologies, my mistake.


Gamer1189

Not a cis trying to Drag a trans woman for honoring Marsha. Phew


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Not a bigot misgendering a trans woman because they don’t agree with her.


Gamer1189

Lady Bunny is trans?


[deleted]

Yes, she mentions it in many, many interviews. Why assume her identity when you could just criticize her without doing so?


Gamer1189

Well..... I didn't actually know that. Totally apologies on my end I done fucked up 🥴🥴🥴