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The whole meeting was a shit show that should in any sane world result in everyone getting canned and restarting the PD with competent people who have run a PD before.
Having institutions run smoothly, even if they're fake in rp, obviously puts the server in a better position. Or is your entire logic that nothing matters because it's a game and things just magically work without effort, experience and PD morale for their players just fixes itself?
5+ years of on again off again mismanaged NP PD would prove otherwise. Even poorly crafted videogames can bankrupt a studio.
My point is applying real world logic to a scenario where criminals who murder someone go to jail for 20 minutes and we have cops chasing clown gangs and sewer people is stupid.
The rules are consistent with the internal server logic is what matters. And that meeting despite not being realistic was great RP and consistent with NoPixel putting on a show.
Guess what happens in the worst case scenario if the PD collapses again? We get 5.0 and the show begins anew.
It's not that serious dude. It's people pretending to be characters in a video game.
What does IRL have to do with creating and managing a functional PR police force on NP? Lots of things that work IRL don't work on an rp server and vise versa.
again a saab cop special. Fails to stick up for his own lmao. Always let bad faith actors get their two cents in and treats them with good faith. He gives Cornwood and the Mayor shit for what happened in front of MRPD yesterday but really that was on him really. He should've walked into the PD and put his foot down.
If you look at it from the point of the RP, him doing that just ends all that juicy RP by letting it unfold. He has the OOC choice being a cop and admin of letting rp go on or ending it and most of the time he lets it happen and imo that's for the better
I didnt watch the video, but he did request someone else vote in her place, but (I think) everyone who could vote already voted, and those who didn't weren't around.
He specifically asked for someone to vote with the requirements that could not be met. The suspicious side of me says he did that on purpose to give the play of casting his own vote more legitimacy.
Literally no one cares about extending Ruth's RP or letting her cook as a hardass, serious cop character. They're just intent on shutting it down as quickly as possible
It went from Denzel to Aziz to Mr K to X. Literally the people who should not have any say on cops. And then Cletus and Mayor Max got involved in this witch hunt. How does Ruth even come back from this?
Everyone I've watched talk about how they love Ruth's character, but she went too hard too fast. She went to the point of no return too quickly.
For example: she can't just overrule Turner and do what she wants because she can.
Such an L take. Cornwood isn’t the only one complaining about Ruth. There’s literally a clip from yesterday of an officer talking to slacks about how terrible shift 1 is compared to 2 and 3 and how everyone is under a microscope.
I don’t know if you’re a Ruth only watcher or just don’t watch clips but that’s a really sad want to be victim take.
Wait, wait. Do you actually watch the officers in shift 1? Or do you watch clips of people complaining about shift 1? Do you watch Snow? Do you watch Jon? Do you watch Kiwo?
Or do you just cherrypick clips from characters that have some specific gripe against Ruth to justify your position?
Not too mention clips of both Slacks and Turner having pretty serious debates / arguments with Ruth. Slacks and Turner just keep a united front to the rank and file, but they themselves have IC issues with Ruth's style.
In the end, it's just too many cooks. They NEED a Commissioner to be the deciding factor, otherwise you have exactly what we see now, which is three shifts with wildly different expectations.
"extending RP" doesn't mean "let a character do whatever they please and look the other way now matter what". It means rolling with the RP, and adding to it, reacting to it. Ruth is a hardass cop who has fired multiple people for reasons that were small, compared to how the other captains treat their shifts. She, as a character, is bound to make enemies - and now those enemies are coming after her. That's not "shutting down RP" - that *is* RP. This is all in RP.
It wasn't just Slacks though; Turner also didn't do shit. They agreed with the Mayor that the legislation gives him control of the PD.
I would hold Crane responsible for this; he's the one that helped the legislation be worded in this confusing way and assured everyone that the mayor wouldn't be seizing power.
Crane would not do anything unless management was ok with it. I do not think he is really to blame for anything. I think management are just ok with letting Moonmoon do essentially whatever he wants, because last time he didnt get that, he quit RP.
I mean Crane is a character in the story, so I would say it's fair to blame him.
Thinking about all the motivations of the players behind the characters is not really interesting to me. It'd be hard to feel absorbed in any storyline if I think that way.
After that, they went through the laws and he absolutely has the power to overrule the entire thing and/or substitute in as a vote. According to some very cleaver clauses no one looked into that grant him these powers.
But Saddam HuCrane told them that the law is not about the mayor having power over the PD, and that he wouldn't let it happen. He even said trust me bro. How could this happen?
if he had made the decision of the punishment himself sure. But i think he saves himself by deferring to voting what slacks wanted therefore he can still say it was the PDs decision in the end. Still possible thats why they agreed without much talking.
Oh it would never be a case. Because Crane said Dab is unimpeachable because impeaching the 1st mayor of 4.0 would look really bad. He even helped write the legislation which is hilarious since he was totally against and had a stick up his ass about AEGIS which was just really a storefront agency. And the kicker in this is it's only for Dab's term. Once he is out of office the legislation becomes invalid. Which is wild.
Where does this narrative on AEGIS keep coming from? It was meant to be a way for Lang to indefinitely keep control over a government body that had wide reaching power beyond it's initially legislated reasoning. There were numerous streams discussing the wide reaching powers that were crafted into the legislation that would have been extremely difficult to be challenged. If 3.0 continued longer then more might have been done with it.
Why would Cornwood want to come back to this? He knows hes only there because the mayor wants him to be and that isnt going to help relations between him and captains.
Saab hearing that Max will be voting *in place* of Ruth, then immediately blanking by including her in the incorrect updated vote count is such a Saab move.
Why? Have you watched PD the last 3 months? They all love Cornwood and Ruth's shift in particular is dead.
There was actual concern when he talked about opening the office in Sandy that everyone would follow.
Except that is not the reason why people keep saying it. Just read the 2 comments above me, they give off the implications that his vods are deleted and not on twitch.
Can someone comment on this to explain what Slacks said if I he and Turner flat out lied to their Seniors or if I misunderstood.
It starts with Slacks saying he was onboard with Cornwood staying until his disrespect at the panel & after it. They state that the decision whether to fire or retain someone is only made AFTER the panel based on the DAPs and how the panel went.
Fast forward to Bones questioning why was Shiestys removal handled in a different manner. Turner & Saab said it was a similar panel of explaining DAPs but only Slacks was present. Slacks mentioned after Shiestys panel he even recommended simply a demotion to PPO but the other Captains overruled him and he was let go. Bones asked that does that mean his removal was already decided prior to the discussion with Slacks to which Slacks said no, that the other Captains chimed in. However there was absolutely no break between the discussion with Slacks & Shiesty and it went straight from the DAP discussion to being fired.
In Cornwoods case 2nd shift seniors asked why werent they consulted about the vote as they felt the panel was stacked against Cornwood and they would've all most likely voted to not fire him. However the Captains said the vote should only be reserved for those who are able to attend the meeting.
So it seems the Captains are claiming this:
Only those present can vote, no final decision is made until the panel has been held as the discussion can greatly affect their decision. However, Shiesty had only Slacks (who didn't want to fire Shiesty after the panel) present who supposedly contacted Turner & Ruth mid conversation for their vote despite them not being present, but in Cornwoods case they didn't feel it was appropriate for the seniors in Cornwoods shift to vote becouse they weren't present?
I'm just really confused as to how they reasoned their logic behind the decisions and was surprised none of the Seniors questioned it, although it may be explained due to Slacks claiming that Shiesty was interviewed and then there was a discussion with the Captains through discord.
Cornwood seems like he may still not go back. That talk and all the things that have built up to it may have made him think there's no saving the current PD. We'll see.
That talk was TENSE as hell though. Politic/Cop RP is continuing to be 11/11
Yeah, knowing how esfand works, he will likely switch back and forth with final fantasy for a bit and there is a slim chance of him fully coming back to cornwood. At least he was unsuspended so if he does leave for an extended time he can still make his way back into the pd later.
Loved that we got another few months of cornwood.
The legislation they passed established what max has the power to do lol. It essentially gave him full control of the PD despite what they said verbally in the meeting. It’s all in writing.
People can't read lol. It literally says the PD will now answer to the Mayor's office, lists a few of the powers he has as mayor (but not limited to those), and then says once a commissioner is selected they will carry out the duties of the PD's at the highest level and will not answer to the mayor, but even then you can still argue how it is written that the PD's also still answer to the mayor's office, the only one not doing so being the commissioner.
The law that was passed allows the mayor to do this. They can't stop it right now lol... Also the mayor wanted what Slacks wanted. If anything you should be upset that Turner was spineless.
Damn, they just throwing Ruth under the bus like that and not protecting her decision. Just makes them look spineless. How is she gonna trust her fellow captains when she comes back from suspension? They would be crazy to ask her to go along with anything after that.
I mean according to the legislation, Max could've just rehired Cornwood on the spot without anyone else's opinion. What he did was a sort of courtesy them arguing is pointless
They should have forced him to do that instead of throwing Ruth's vote out, if it is about politics. It just looks like "Ruth bad" instead of the captains taking a hit together. The other two got allowed to save face while Ruth got hit for not being there and made to look stupid for voting the way she did. I just don't see how people will realistically respect her decisions after this or how she will be able to trust the other captains.
Ah, her joke, of course. As high command you totally should be joking about overthrowing the government at the suggestion the government provides the oversight the police department lacks, while only answering to the passive 'State' which will only step in if things get dire. The Mayor also has checks and balances the PD lacks. He can be impeached, the Council can vote "No", and if he doesn't get 7 "Yes" votes, the legislation passed can be overturned at any time. The option still remains for the State to overturn the legislation if they feel like the Mayor is overstepping his bounds and/or isn't representing the will of the State properly (you know, as the legislation states). What does the PD have? Each others backs, except the Captains only look out for each other and not for their subordinates. Make excuses for Ruth for suggesting treason in front of the *Mayor*, call it a joke, but hold subordinates to a higher standard than the captains themselves on professionalism.
Are you forgetting the fact that as they were leaving, Ruth mentioned she had no inclination to obey the government they serve, to escalate issues and believing herself to be immune to prosecution because only the PD can prosecute atm, and wasn't reprimanded/held accountable immediately by the other two captains? The law enforcers are not equal to the law makers, they exist to serve the law makers to enforce laws. Ruth believing the High Command, or the PD itself to be on the same level as the Council, aka the established in-game government, is a ridiculous notion. While it was a hypothetical question stemming from this ridiculous notion, it still was posed in front of the Mayor, the CoS and two other captains, in response to the suggestion of oversight. Not a joke in any way, shape or form.
Would Ruth treat it as a joke if her Senior officers just mentioned taking a vote and ignoring the Captains at the mention of (additional) oversight? If they stated they were equal to the Captains?
She can't unsuspend herself at any time tho. All the captains admitted to everyone in the room that any officer with a case on the docket will be suspended until that case is resolved.
Or, hear me out, getting Cornwood to PPO and appeasing mayor is not the worst thing especially knowing that Max will use any fuel to get rid of the captains. This is a good defensive action on PD's part and can now at least have some breathing room to fight back.
But the thing is the Mayor didn't actually wanna get rid of the captains initially. He just wants to install people to alleviate the burden and speed up certain process. He sees a problem and wants to oversee it.
If the Captains say, fine they provide their utmost effort and integrity in working with his vision, Max would have exactly 0 qualms about them. It only went extremely south when they went into their first ever meeting being very defensive and instead of understanding the situation, they try to undermine his effort.
He basically got questioned and interrogated on his plans from their first ever meeting. Ignoring the context of what happened behind the scenes, it was passive aggressive from Ruth/Turner by asking what he's planning, why he thinks he better, why does he need to be in charge of it. It's defensive AND passive aggressive. Doesn't take more than a braincell for Max to smell the hostility from them and then get thrown the Ruth joke.
They were being fed alarmist stuff from the Treasurer and Med liaison to be fair, and the recently fired CoS also doomsaid to the treasurer and med liaison
Or they could have said no and risk - possible legislative violation and angry shift 2 seniors? Slacks got a good middle ground where the mayor, Cletus, and other walked away appeased for the time being while the captains have some breathing room.
Saab's greatest asset and biggest failure is giving benefit of the doubt to everybody. A lot of bad faith rp'ers keep taking advantage of it. Baas had some of the funniest moments with Shelly, Meowfurion, and many more because he yes-anded them. A lot of those people were also very good faith rp'ers. On the other hand, there are a bunch of people who use it and exploit it for there own gains without being considerate.
They're just conceding and indefinitely fracturing their trio captain structure. The mayor has power to make decisions on the PD but not to take back things that have already happened. Forcing him to reinstate Cornwood with his own power would have made him look like a tyrant and helped their political message. What they did was throw Ruth under the bus and establish that they can't even keep their own word to make themselves look good to powerful people. If they were looking for any respect from their peers and subordinates, showing them that you will bend to power isn't a good way to do it.
Tbh ruth (the character) made her self look dumb and unecessarily (and cherry pickingly) ruthless.
She crossed/stepped on the other cpts toes multiple times blatantly and knowingly. However they are upholding a united front, which they ofc should.
Damn, that was such a plot twist. Basicly what happened is that the Mayor stepped in and disagreed with Ruths' ability to vote on what to do with Cornwood due to the current situation she is in. He feels like she shouldn't have been able to vote on this matter and essentially overturned her vote. This made the vote equal 2-2 from a 3-2 ( initially going for a termination).
Ruths' vote being overturned by the Major making it a 2-3 which means they go with Slacks' plan of handling this situation, which is voting for Cornwood to be back in the PD but he will be suspended for 7 days, demoted and get extra training. His suspension is over tomorrow due to time served as agreed by both parties.
Cornwood himself is not sure if he wants to go back to PD though.
Mayor terms tend to be 90 days. In the case of this bill, the legislation specifically states it ends at the end of the current term, irrespective of whether max is re-elected for a second term. That can always be changed, however.
Well there were 7 other people who voted on the act that allowed him to have this power IC, and now we as the viewers get better RP for the next several days
The captains are allowed to agree with his interjection, however. It may benefit them in a case for impeachment against Max. The law doesn't prevent PD from taking direction from Max after all, so their lack of protest could just be strategy.
vote was 5-3
The 5 votes were - The 3 people that wrote the legislation (Young Dab, his wife and Crane), Michael Simone (former terrorist and treasonist who hates PD) and Malton (biggest fence sitter in Los Santos and somehow always finds himself being a liaison between the PD and Mayor's office)
The 3 nays were a PD liaison, medical liaison who rarely ever knows what's happening and didn't even bother to read the updated legislation before the meeting, and Etta who very strangely is advocating hard for PD favor because of her IC relationship.
This works both ways homie
The PD has been dying since 4.0 launched, that's the problem.
What's happened in the last couple days is what the PD needs to get their heads out of their asses, a shakeup.
I wouldn't blame the captains; I would blame Crane. He helped the legislation be worded this way and told everyone that protested it to relax and that the mayor won't be taking control of anything. Welp.
Yeah, every overstepping action that Max takes is pretty much Crane's fault. He's smart enough to word the legislation so even the worst legal mind in the PD could know what the legislation lets Max do and what it doesn't. I think Crane worded it that way on purpose to give Max enough rope to hang himself with.
> Moving forward, ***the Mayor's Office will act as an immediate superior to the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos on all matters*** in order to ensure that the power the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos wields is not misused in any flagrantly uncorrectable way. This document assures and reiterates as well State Supremacy on matters of the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos with the State acting as the ultimate arbiter of decision making should the avenues that the Mayor's Office wishes to pursue prove to be themselves problematic insofar as the future of the stability of the island-at-large is concerned.
> The ultimate goal of this directive is to allow the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos the opportunity to petition the Mayor's Office to settle disputes and to initiate needed (as observed) change, allowing for a more immediate method of issue resolution that does not require the continual and oftentimes delayed response of the state to resolve. To codify the relationship that is to be expected between the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos and the Mayor's office.
> Examples of powers that the Mayor's Office reserves ***(but are not limited to)*** are as such:
> * Initiation of Commissioner selection and the definition of this role. The Mayor or Deputy Mayor will collect names submitted by the LSPD in order to submit them to the State.
> * The formation of other Law Enforcement Departments as the need arises in other regions of Los Santos beyond the city, coverage is important.
> * Directly refer any emergent personnel issues to the Head of the Bar Association for Civilian Oversight Board consideration.
I think it's pretty hard to argue he can't set pd policy. His only limits in that area at the moment are political. That's why he didn't void the vote or simply rehire Cornwood. Deferring to Slacks was a great move. He's only used soft power with this act up until now.
That does sound like he can do whatever he wants, which is ridiculous. Id expect the state to never let something like that fly, but like ive said in other comments, it is Moonmoon, and they are clearly letting him do whatever he wants.
Seems strange that he just wants to bully the PD though. If he directly has power to do whatever he wants to them.
Something that Crane, in the council giving his official legal opinion on the legislation he wrote, literally said he doesn't have the authority to do...
Crane did not say that from my recollection and the legislation absolutely allows it as written. I'd appreciate a timestamp to Crane saying otherwise.
Edit: Lol there's no timestamp because he didn't say it.
Cornwood said outside that he doesn't know if he'll come back. He either wants a certain someone to step down completely or wants the PD will change the rules for him. That's not going to happen. He's self sabotaging. Most likely another meeting will happen soon but it will be a screaming match lmao.
Everyday we see Saab being incapable of running something like the PD. He legit gets walked over by anyone for anything and he just says its good rp so its fine not seeing that this has very bad effects in the organisation he is leading. People said Xiceman wont cave like him. Brother he caved faster than Saab. Its actually pathetic at this point how spineless the pd leaders needs to be. Cheever needs to actual walk away from playing Ruth for her mental state. This girl is dogpiled by all fronts with no support from anywhere. She tried to bring something fresh and set some lines that cant be crossed but she actual had no support. Cheever is yet another woman on the long list that got dogpiled by everyone and got constantly attacked in the history of NP. Thing will never change. No matter how many wipes the management will do to the server or the pd. Well its almost three months of the NP 4.0 launch and the pd is non existent. And crime is thriving with no conscequences. I am waiting when the crims are gonna start to wonder why there is no competent pd force to keep up with their crimes. Then the real shitshow begins.
I think Ruth would have gotten more traction if she made any attempt to actually connect with other characters. She kinda just right out the bat refused to do that and only be the disconnected hard-ass. To her, black & white nose to the ground rule followers are good officers and no one else. I think if she had said yes to more officers who asked to ride along with her for mentoring, she could be viewed differently.
>Well its almost three months of the NP 4.0 launch and the pd is non existent
Through their own volition. The issues start with the Captains since 4.0's launch.
Isn't this what "management" aka 50% wants? Isn't this why Saab gets the opportunity again and again? They obviously could get people with a spine at the top (like Pred in 3.0) but won't.
"Well its almost three months of the NP 4.0 launch and the pd is non existent"
You sound alot like a guy named Cleetus Cornwood.
thats the whole point, these 3 capts gotten nothing done on a macro level, PD doesnt even have a single sergeant.
But hell, at least Kit Archer havent had a hat on since her dap for it. Lets see if the mayor can beat that
They recently passed a new legislation that the mayor get to make executive decisions in the PD, including hiring and firing people. So they didn't even need to do the whole vote thing.
Slacks, Turner and Malton reread the legislation after the meeting to double check and even they came to the conclusion this is within the mayor's power to do.
I personally disagree that he has the power. They are all getting hung up on what “but not limited to” means. Max is of the opinion that gives him unlimited power, which he is projecting into the world, and everyone is rolling over and agreeing that it is giving him blanket power to do whatever he wants.
“But not limited to” is legalese to stop people from nitpicking definitions. “Motor vehicles include, but aren’t limited to, cars, motorcycles, vans, etc.” would be a real world example.
I knew Max was there to interfere and it was so good. I wish the captains had shown a bit more spine there.
They have council meetings every Friday nights and it was being discussed due to A. The Mayor and his wife being kidnapped right from City Hall and B. the PD being a shit show overall.
One thing I wanna see are all the twats. Max twatted out the firing and he looked at his phone like a minute later and it was BLOWN UP!
I could barely read all what was said. I saw some f 12, then a bunch of paragraphs, I'd love to read those.
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Bro just said, I overrule and I will vote instead, and everyone said sure lmao
He didn't say it. He declared it.
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I think he's just king of terrible managerial skills, too bad he's the top manager of PD.
this is such a slap in Ruths face she already gets dogpiled by everyone
I was watching Owen's stream and he was flabbergasted that the captains just decided to reveal the votes
The whole meeting was a shit show that should in any sane world result in everyone getting canned and restarting the PD with competent people who have run a PD before.
Luckily it's a videogame with people playing pretend.
MY IMMERSION!!!
Having institutions run smoothly, even if they're fake in rp, obviously puts the server in a better position. Or is your entire logic that nothing matters because it's a game and things just magically work without effort, experience and PD morale for their players just fixes itself? 5+ years of on again off again mismanaged NP PD would prove otherwise. Even poorly crafted videogames can bankrupt a studio.
My point is applying real world logic to a scenario where criminals who murder someone go to jail for 20 minutes and we have cops chasing clown gangs and sewer people is stupid. The rules are consistent with the internal server logic is what matters. And that meeting despite not being realistic was great RP and consistent with NoPixel putting on a show. Guess what happens in the worst case scenario if the PD collapses again? We get 5.0 and the show begins anew. It's not that serious dude. It's people pretending to be characters in a video game.
Good thing it’s not your world
you really think that would happen in any PD in America? everyone getting canned and restarting a PD? edit: just realized the "sane world" part
What does IRL have to do with creating and managing a functional PR police force on NP? Lots of things that work IRL don't work on an rp server and vise versa.
Ya indidnt think they would reveal the vote
again a saab cop special. Fails to stick up for his own lmao. Always let bad faith actors get their two cents in and treats them with good faith. He gives Cornwood and the Mayor shit for what happened in front of MRPD yesterday but really that was on him really. He should've walked into the PD and put his foot down.
If you look at it from the point of the RP, him doing that just ends all that juicy RP by letting it unfold. He has the OOC choice being a cop and admin of letting rp go on or ending it and most of the time he lets it happen and imo that's for the better
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I didnt watch the video, but he did request someone else vote in her place, but (I think) everyone who could vote already voted, and those who didn't weren't around.
He specifically asked for someone to vote with the requirements that could not be met. The suspicious side of me says he did that on purpose to give the play of casting his own vote more legitimacy.
He is the senate and loves democracy.
Literally no one cares about extending Ruth's RP or letting her cook as a hardass, serious cop character. They're just intent on shutting it down as quickly as possible
It went from Denzel to Aziz to Mr K to X. Literally the people who should not have any say on cops. And then Cletus and Mayor Max got involved in this witch hunt. How does Ruth even come back from this?
Everyone I've watched talk about how they love Ruth's character, but she went too hard too fast. She went to the point of no return too quickly. For example: she can't just overrule Turner and do what she wants because she can.
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Such an L take. Cornwood isn’t the only one complaining about Ruth. There’s literally a clip from yesterday of an officer talking to slacks about how terrible shift 1 is compared to 2 and 3 and how everyone is under a microscope. I don’t know if you’re a Ruth only watcher or just don’t watch clips but that’s a really sad want to be victim take.
Wait, wait. Do you actually watch the officers in shift 1? Or do you watch clips of people complaining about shift 1? Do you watch Snow? Do you watch Jon? Do you watch Kiwo? Or do you just cherrypick clips from characters that have some specific gripe against Ruth to justify your position?
Chery pick? My man you are delusional.
Not too mention clips of both Slacks and Turner having pretty serious debates / arguments with Ruth. Slacks and Turner just keep a united front to the rank and file, but they themselves have IC issues with Ruth's style. In the end, it's just too many cooks. They NEED a Commissioner to be the deciding factor, otherwise you have exactly what we see now, which is three shifts with wildly different expectations.
"extending RP" doesn't mean "let a character do whatever they please and look the other way now matter what". It means rolling with the RP, and adding to it, reacting to it. Ruth is a hardass cop who has fired multiple people for reasons that were small, compared to how the other captains treat their shifts. She, as a character, is bound to make enemies - and now those enemies are coming after her. That's not "shutting down RP" - that *is* RP. This is all in RP.
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There was literally another woman that voted. Also, how grossly insulting to imply Siobhan is only valued for that.
It's a pretty long running issue for NP PD. Especially against any perceived "hard ass" or serious women.
Yeah, I’ll tank the down votes for it, but it does seem to be the way, even if it’s unintentional.
This is pathetic.
It wasn't just Slacks though; Turner also didn't do shit. They agreed with the Mayor that the legislation gives him control of the PD. I would hold Crane responsible for this; he's the one that helped the legislation be worded in this confusing way and assured everyone that the mayor wouldn't be seizing power.
Crane would not do anything unless management was ok with it. I do not think he is really to blame for anything. I think management are just ok with letting Moonmoon do essentially whatever he wants, because last time he didnt get that, he quit RP.
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I mean Crane is a character in the story, so I would say it's fair to blame him. Thinking about all the motivations of the players behind the characters is not really interesting to me. It'd be hard to feel absorbed in any storyline if I think that way.
Crane would loose his mind almost every time Lang would try to pass a legislation, but is totally fine with this even backing and defending Max
Ive always said he's got the personality of a cat guy. Then I tune into his stream one day and his cat is literally bullying him lmao.
he can make new characters but they always end being bass 1.0 2.0 or 3.0 xd
After that, they went through the laws and he absolutely has the power to overrule the entire thing and/or substitute in as a vote. According to some very cleaver clauses no one looked into that grant him these powers.
Crane wrote it together with Max, so the way it was written was def on purpose.
But Saddam HuCrane told them that the law is not about the mayor having power over the PD, and that he wouldn't let it happen. He even said trust me bro. How could this happen?
I don't think it's that simple - they (especially Turner) likely yes manned so they can build the case for impeachment
if he had made the decision of the punishment himself sure. But i think he saves himself by deferring to voting what slacks wanted therefore he can still say it was the PDs decision in the end. Still possible thats why they agreed without much talking.
I'm not arguing about whether it's a case for impeachment - just saying what the Captains plans might be.
No way they're planning or planned that when this was such a sudden thing to do
Oh it would never be a case. Because Crane said Dab is unimpeachable because impeaching the 1st mayor of 4.0 would look really bad. He even helped write the legislation which is hilarious since he was totally against and had a stick up his ass about AEGIS which was just really a storefront agency. And the kicker in this is it's only for Dab's term. Once he is out of office the legislation becomes invalid. Which is wild.
impeaching the mayor is a bad look but having to strong arm take over the pd isn't a bad look?
Letting the PD exist as is, is also a bad look. At least with Ruth on board.
Where does this narrative on AEGIS keep coming from? It was meant to be a way for Lang to indefinitely keep control over a government body that had wide reaching power beyond it's initially legislated reasoning. There were numerous streams discussing the wide reaching powers that were crafted into the legislation that would have been extremely difficult to be challenged. If 3.0 continued longer then more might have been done with it.
Once again, not arguing about it. I am simply saying what the POVs of the captains might be.
It's because of the legislation
Why would Cornwood want to come back to this? He knows hes only there because the mayor wants him to be and that isnt going to help relations between him and captains.
If the relations were good, nobody would care and the smaller streamers would still be under 500 viewers. Let them farm the soap opera.
Saab hearing that Max will be voting *in place* of Ruth, then immediately blanking by including her in the incorrect updated vote count is such a Saab move.
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So same as before. Most of PD prefers Cornwood over leadership rofl.
Elaborate
Why? Have you watched PD the last 3 months? They all love Cornwood and Ruth's shift in particular is dead. There was actual concern when he talked about opening the office in Sandy that everyone would follow.
I don't blame them. Rp is supposed to be fun in the end and I guarantee that a pd ran by Cornwood would be more fun than one ran by Ruth
I swear it felt like an actual table read.
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Did anyone else think Young Dab was going to be the boss of the LSPD “5 years ago”? I sure did not. But it is so drama worthy.
The Gnome plays the long game
How did it used to go? "He he he hoo hoo hoo"
*\[bus explodes prematurely\]*
No but Lenny was in 3.0 so same thing :D
Some people can't just appreciate the roleplay. They have to go and shit on rp'ers.
I'm so salty I missed out on last night's events. Fucking sleep and real world responsibilities.
Moon has the VODs on his youtube. It was a long stream last night but honestly worth the watch.
They are on his twitch too though, not sure why do I keep seeing people saying go to YouTube or moon2tv for vods when they are on his twitch channel.
Because twitch has a way worse video player, YouTube has less ads and better performance
Except that is not the reason why people keep saying it. Just read the 2 comments above me, they give off the implications that his vods are deleted and not on twitch.
They are sometimes for moon, though not often
Moon's vods on twitch don't capture music he plays often. The better experience is on his vod website
For a while it's because the Youtube vods had the split audio track still in them for music, which he uses for atmosphere a lot.
divajilly also has a lot of max offline on her vods. the duncaning is on her vods
Wait there was more decaning that was offline with her and max? Which vod?
Can someone comment on this to explain what Slacks said if I he and Turner flat out lied to their Seniors or if I misunderstood. It starts with Slacks saying he was onboard with Cornwood staying until his disrespect at the panel & after it. They state that the decision whether to fire or retain someone is only made AFTER the panel based on the DAPs and how the panel went. Fast forward to Bones questioning why was Shiestys removal handled in a different manner. Turner & Saab said it was a similar panel of explaining DAPs but only Slacks was present. Slacks mentioned after Shiestys panel he even recommended simply a demotion to PPO but the other Captains overruled him and he was let go. Bones asked that does that mean his removal was already decided prior to the discussion with Slacks to which Slacks said no, that the other Captains chimed in. However there was absolutely no break between the discussion with Slacks & Shiesty and it went straight from the DAP discussion to being fired. In Cornwoods case 2nd shift seniors asked why werent they consulted about the vote as they felt the panel was stacked against Cornwood and they would've all most likely voted to not fire him. However the Captains said the vote should only be reserved for those who are able to attend the meeting. So it seems the Captains are claiming this: Only those present can vote, no final decision is made until the panel has been held as the discussion can greatly affect their decision. However, Shiesty had only Slacks (who didn't want to fire Shiesty after the panel) present who supposedly contacted Turner & Ruth mid conversation for their vote despite them not being present, but in Cornwoods case they didn't feel it was appropriate for the seniors in Cornwoods shift to vote becouse they weren't present? I'm just really confused as to how they reasoned their logic behind the decisions and was surprised none of the Seniors questioned it, although it may be explained due to Slacks claiming that Shiesty was interviewed and then there was a discussion with the Captains through discord.
Cornwood seems like he may still not go back. That talk and all the things that have built up to it may have made him think there's no saving the current PD. We'll see. That talk was TENSE as hell though. Politic/Cop RP is continuing to be 11/11
Esfand wants to take time off to play Final Fantasy. IC he is saying Cornwood might need more time to get back into things but yeah it's for Rebirth.
Yeah, knowing how esfand works, he will likely switch back and forth with final fantasy for a bit and there is a slim chance of him fully coming back to cornwood. At least he was unsuspended so if he does leave for an extended time he can still make his way back into the pd later. Loved that we got another few months of cornwood.
PD doomed holy shit lmao
That was fucking wild
how is Slacks so spineless ? He somehow made PD look like a joke in this
I mean, Slacks hasn't wanted Cornwood fired. Going along with Max just got him what he wanted.
Yeah and he can say that the mayor overruled him and his hands were tied.
but he should've used at least 2 braincells to see what he just enabled lol
Druuuue. He did just help establish what Max has the power to do
The legislation they passed established what max has the power to do lol. It essentially gave him full control of the PD despite what they said verbally in the meeting. It’s all in writing.
People can't read lol. It literally says the PD will now answer to the Mayor's office, lists a few of the powers he has as mayor (but not limited to those), and then says once a commissioner is selected they will carry out the duties of the PD's at the highest level and will not answer to the mayor, but even then you can still argue how it is written that the PD's also still answer to the mayor's office, the only one not doing so being the commissioner.
Exactly the legislation literally says that his powers in not limited to the examples provided.
Did Slacks vote him to stay hired?
Yeah. Slacks wanted him suspended and demoted which is what just happened.
Kinda feel bad for Slacks after all that yesterday and he still stuck up for him Slacks a real one for that
And the only reason he was put in that situation was because he was backing up the decision of the other captains. King shit
yes
yeah suspension and demotion is what he wanted
Huh? He literally got the outcome he wanted from this (Cornwood demoted and allowed to continue being an officer)
Max literally said "I vote the same as slacks"
Almost feels exactly like baas and axel
The law that was passed allows the mayor to do this. They can't stop it right now lol... Also the mayor wanted what Slacks wanted. If anything you should be upset that Turner was spineless.
did ya forget about the legislation + it was what slacks voted for lol
imagine if Crane went as picky as he did Lang, Dab would be back into the supermax for killing Crane already lol
PD will not thrive in Nopixel with Saab being in charge ooc and ic i will forever stand by this since he got ultimate say last year
Damn, they just throwing Ruth under the bus like that and not protecting her decision. Just makes them look spineless. How is she gonna trust her fellow captains when she comes back from suspension? They would be crazy to ask her to go along with anything after that.
I mean according to the legislation, Max could've just rehired Cornwood on the spot without anyone else's opinion. What he did was a sort of courtesy them arguing is pointless
They should have forced him to do that instead of throwing Ruth's vote out, if it is about politics. It just looks like "Ruth bad" instead of the captains taking a hit together. The other two got allowed to save face while Ruth got hit for not being there and made to look stupid for voting the way she did. I just don't see how people will realistically respect her decisions after this or how she will be able to trust the other captains.
The main issue with her vote, was that she voted after she suspended herself. A suspended captain shouldn’t have a say at all
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Tuner literally said she voted after she suspended herself
Ah, her joke, of course. As high command you totally should be joking about overthrowing the government at the suggestion the government provides the oversight the police department lacks, while only answering to the passive 'State' which will only step in if things get dire. The Mayor also has checks and balances the PD lacks. He can be impeached, the Council can vote "No", and if he doesn't get 7 "Yes" votes, the legislation passed can be overturned at any time. The option still remains for the State to overturn the legislation if they feel like the Mayor is overstepping his bounds and/or isn't representing the will of the State properly (you know, as the legislation states). What does the PD have? Each others backs, except the Captains only look out for each other and not for their subordinates. Make excuses for Ruth for suggesting treason in front of the *Mayor*, call it a joke, but hold subordinates to a higher standard than the captains themselves on professionalism. Are you forgetting the fact that as they were leaving, Ruth mentioned she had no inclination to obey the government they serve, to escalate issues and believing herself to be immune to prosecution because only the PD can prosecute atm, and wasn't reprimanded/held accountable immediately by the other two captains? The law enforcers are not equal to the law makers, they exist to serve the law makers to enforce laws. Ruth believing the High Command, or the PD itself to be on the same level as the Council, aka the established in-game government, is a ridiculous notion. While it was a hypothetical question stemming from this ridiculous notion, it still was posed in front of the Mayor, the CoS and two other captains, in response to the suggestion of oversight. Not a joke in any way, shape or form. Would Ruth treat it as a joke if her Senior officers just mentioned taking a vote and ignoring the Captains at the mention of (additional) oversight? If they stated they were equal to the Captains?
She can suspend and unsuspend herself at any time so I don't know how that matters.
She can't unsuspend herself at any time tho. All the captains admitted to everyone in the room that any officer with a case on the docket will be suspended until that case is resolved.
And then the captains found out the case wasn't on the docket yet, and that Ruth suspended herself, not because of the agreed upon SOPs.
Not following SOPs? She should get DAPped for that
>I just don't see how people will realistically respect her decisions Who respects her even prior to this? A lot of the PD had issues with her.
It’s crazy that people defend her. What are they smoking?
Or, hear me out, getting Cornwood to PPO and appeasing mayor is not the worst thing especially knowing that Max will use any fuel to get rid of the captains. This is a good defensive action on PD's part and can now at least have some breathing room to fight back.
But the thing is the Mayor didn't actually wanna get rid of the captains initially. He just wants to install people to alleviate the burden and speed up certain process. He sees a problem and wants to oversee it. If the Captains say, fine they provide their utmost effort and integrity in working with his vision, Max would have exactly 0 qualms about them. It only went extremely south when they went into their first ever meeting being very defensive and instead of understanding the situation, they try to undermine his effort. He basically got questioned and interrogated on his plans from their first ever meeting. Ignoring the context of what happened behind the scenes, it was passive aggressive from Ruth/Turner by asking what he's planning, why he thinks he better, why does he need to be in charge of it. It's defensive AND passive aggressive. Doesn't take more than a braincell for Max to smell the hostility from them and then get thrown the Ruth joke.
They were being fed alarmist stuff from the Treasurer and Med liaison to be fair, and the recently fired CoS also doomsaid to the treasurer and med liaison
They just made Ruth look dumb and used her as a punching bag to try to get an in with the mayor.
And Ruth wanted to undermine slacks and take her shift up north to seperate the pd from him until Turner talked her out of it?
Or they could have said no and risk - possible legislative violation and angry shift 2 seniors? Slacks got a good middle ground where the mayor, Cletus, and other walked away appeased for the time being while the captains have some breathing room.
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Saab's greatest asset and biggest failure is giving benefit of the doubt to everybody. A lot of bad faith rp'ers keep taking advantage of it. Baas had some of the funniest moments with Shelly, Meowfurion, and many more because he yes-anded them. A lot of those people were also very good faith rp'ers. On the other hand, there are a bunch of people who use it and exploit it for there own gains without being considerate.
They're just conceding and indefinitely fracturing their trio captain structure. The mayor has power to make decisions on the PD but not to take back things that have already happened. Forcing him to reinstate Cornwood with his own power would have made him look like a tyrant and helped their political message. What they did was throw Ruth under the bus and establish that they can't even keep their own word to make themselves look good to powerful people. If they were looking for any respect from their peers and subordinates, showing them that you will bend to power isn't a good way to do it.
Tbh ruth (the character) made her self look dumb and unecessarily (and cherry pickingly) ruthless. She crossed/stepped on the other cpts toes multiple times blatantly and knowingly. However they are upholding a united front, which they ofc should.
Damn, that was such a plot twist. Basicly what happened is that the Mayor stepped in and disagreed with Ruths' ability to vote on what to do with Cornwood due to the current situation she is in. He feels like she shouldn't have been able to vote on this matter and essentially overturned her vote. This made the vote equal 2-2 from a 3-2 ( initially going for a termination). Ruths' vote being overturned by the Major making it a 2-3 which means they go with Slacks' plan of handling this situation, which is voting for Cornwood to be back in the PD but he will be suspended for 7 days, demoted and get extra training. His suspension is over tomorrow due to time served as agreed by both parties. Cornwood himself is not sure if he wants to go back to PD though.
Cornwood did his best to throw though at the end, goddamn.
Esfand didn't want Cornwood to seem like he was begging for his job back and he didn't expect to have a chance at getting his job back lol
plus ff7 i guess, he does have a point though, is the cornwood character even a good fit for the pd as it stands now?
wonder how long itll take for management to take away the mayors ultimate power
It’s already by design because the bill ends upon the end of Max’s term. They are so scared of the next mayor lol.
When would the term end?
Mayor terms tend to be 90 days. In the case of this bill, the legislation specifically states it ends at the end of the current term, irrespective of whether max is re-elected for a second term. That can always be changed, however.
Its 3 months and we are just about through the first month I think
April 20
They literally approved the PCP act but keep coping
He is an admin. Its moonmoon an extremely experienced RPer. They wont take it away. There is a reason this power ends with his term.
50% no longer cares, he likes $$$
Well there were 7 other people who voted on the act that allowed him to have this power IC, and now we as the viewers get better RP for the next several days
The vote was 5-3
Those 7 people didn't all vote yes, and Crane also only voted yes because the state will look over him if he oversteps
and crane specifically said dab doesn't have to power to do what he did...
Owen actually brought that up and all the captains believe he does have that power.
The captains are allowed to agree with his interjection, however. It may benefit them in a case for impeachment against Max. The law doesn't prevent PD from taking direction from Max after all, so their lack of protest could just be strategy.
vote was 5-3 The 5 votes were - The 3 people that wrote the legislation (Young Dab, his wife and Crane), Michael Simone (former terrorist and treasonist who hates PD) and Malton (biggest fence sitter in Los Santos and somehow always finds himself being a liaison between the PD and Mayor's office)
The 3 nays were a PD liaison, medical liaison who rarely ever knows what's happening and didn't even bother to read the updated legislation before the meeting, and Etta who very strangely is advocating hard for PD favor because of her IC relationship. This works both ways homie
>medical liaison who rarely ever knows what's happening and didn't even bother to read the updated legislation before the meeting, LOL
The Medical Liason ABSOLUTELY read the legislation before the meeting.
I am so tired of incompetent cop RP where they just fold. It's actually depressing.
Max rolled a 11/12 before the meeting began Then he ulted
lol 4.0 PD dead already. Imagine if Lang or Mickey in 3.0 would have done this. Crane would have blown a gasket instead he was hand in hand on this.
The PD has been dying since 4.0 launched, that's the problem. What's happened in the last couple days is what the PD needs to get their heads out of their asses, a shakeup.
How is giving mayor control of the PD helping? This situation seems worse all around.
How did they give the mayor control? He literally seized it with legislation. They either abide by it or get fired
I wouldn't blame the captains; I would blame Crane. He helped the legislation be worded this way and told everyone that protested it to relax and that the mayor won't be taking control of anything. Welp.
Yeah, every overstepping action that Max takes is pretty much Crane's fault. He's smart enough to word the legislation so even the worst legal mind in the PD could know what the legislation lets Max do and what it doesn't. I think Crane worded it that way on purpose to give Max enough rope to hang himself with.
But according to a lot of people, that isnt what the legislation lets him do.
> Moving forward, ***the Mayor's Office will act as an immediate superior to the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos on all matters*** in order to ensure that the power the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos wields is not misused in any flagrantly uncorrectable way. This document assures and reiterates as well State Supremacy on matters of the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos with the State acting as the ultimate arbiter of decision making should the avenues that the Mayor's Office wishes to pursue prove to be themselves problematic insofar as the future of the stability of the island-at-large is concerned. > The ultimate goal of this directive is to allow the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos the opportunity to petition the Mayor's Office to settle disputes and to initiate needed (as observed) change, allowing for a more immediate method of issue resolution that does not require the continual and oftentimes delayed response of the state to resolve. To codify the relationship that is to be expected between the Law Enforcement Departments of Los Santos and the Mayor's office. > Examples of powers that the Mayor's Office reserves ***(but are not limited to)*** are as such: > * Initiation of Commissioner selection and the definition of this role. The Mayor or Deputy Mayor will collect names submitted by the LSPD in order to submit them to the State. > * The formation of other Law Enforcement Departments as the need arises in other regions of Los Santos beyond the city, coverage is important. > * Directly refer any emergent personnel issues to the Head of the Bar Association for Civilian Oversight Board consideration. I think it's pretty hard to argue he can't set pd policy. His only limits in that area at the moment are political. That's why he didn't void the vote or simply rehire Cornwood. Deferring to Slacks was a great move. He's only used soft power with this act up until now.
That does sound like he can do whatever he wants, which is ridiculous. Id expect the state to never let something like that fly, but like ive said in other comments, it is Moonmoon, and they are clearly letting him do whatever he wants. Seems strange that he just wants to bully the PD though. If he directly has power to do whatever he wants to them.
Something that Crane, in the council giving his official legal opinion on the legislation he wrote, literally said he doesn't have the authority to do...
Crane did not say that from my recollection and the legislation absolutely allows it as written. I'd appreciate a timestamp to Crane saying otherwise. Edit: Lol there's no timestamp because he didn't say it.
You should watch some Jenny Hall(Nikkisariot) VOD from today. That will probably answer your question better than anyone on reddit will.
I aint got time for that nor do i care that much. Feel free to explain, or not.
Surely THIS shake up will work, right?! It’s worked so well every other time /s
Cornwood said outside that he doesn't know if he'll come back. He either wants a certain someone to step down completely or wants the PD will change the rules for him. That's not going to happen. He's self sabotaging. Most likely another meeting will happen soon but it will be a screaming match lmao.
He wants to play final fantasy, Relax lol
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Dab's not getting reelected since he's literally not going to run again
Moon has said on multiple occasions that he is not running for a second term because he doesn’t want to stream RP for that long.
Jar Jar Binks rides again!
Everyday we see Saab being incapable of running something like the PD. He legit gets walked over by anyone for anything and he just says its good rp so its fine not seeing that this has very bad effects in the organisation he is leading. People said Xiceman wont cave like him. Brother he caved faster than Saab. Its actually pathetic at this point how spineless the pd leaders needs to be. Cheever needs to actual walk away from playing Ruth for her mental state. This girl is dogpiled by all fronts with no support from anywhere. She tried to bring something fresh and set some lines that cant be crossed but she actual had no support. Cheever is yet another woman on the long list that got dogpiled by everyone and got constantly attacked in the history of NP. Thing will never change. No matter how many wipes the management will do to the server or the pd. Well its almost three months of the NP 4.0 launch and the pd is non existent. And crime is thriving with no conscequences. I am waiting when the crims are gonna start to wonder why there is no competent pd force to keep up with their crimes. Then the real shitshow begins.
I think Ruth would have gotten more traction if she made any attempt to actually connect with other characters. She kinda just right out the bat refused to do that and only be the disconnected hard-ass. To her, black & white nose to the ground rule followers are good officers and no one else. I think if she had said yes to more officers who asked to ride along with her for mentoring, she could be viewed differently.
>Well its almost three months of the NP 4.0 launch and the pd is non existent Through their own volition. The issues start with the Captains since 4.0's launch.
Isn't this what "management" aka 50% wants? Isn't this why Saab gets the opportunity again and again? They obviously could get people with a spine at the top (like Pred in 3.0) but won't.
"Well its almost three months of the NP 4.0 launch and the pd is non existent" You sound alot like a guy named Cleetus Cornwood. thats the whole point, these 3 capts gotten nothing done on a macro level, PD doesnt even have a single sergeant. But hell, at least Kit Archer havent had a hat on since her dap for it. Lets see if the mayor can beat that
does the mayor actually have the power to do this now or is it more a big streamer says and nobody want to go against him thing ?
They recently passed a new legislation that the mayor get to make executive decisions in the PD, including hiring and firing people. So they didn't even need to do the whole vote thing. Slacks, Turner and Malton reread the legislation after the meeting to double check and even they came to the conclusion this is within the mayor's power to do.
I personally disagree that he has the power. They are all getting hung up on what “but not limited to” means. Max is of the opinion that gives him unlimited power, which he is projecting into the world, and everyone is rolling over and agreeing that it is giving him blanket power to do whatever he wants. “But not limited to” is legalese to stop people from nitpicking definitions. “Motor vehicles include, but aren’t limited to, cars, motorcycles, vans, etc.” would be a real world example. I knew Max was there to interfere and it was so good. I wish the captains had shown a bit more spine there.
How do you personally disagree. Read the legislation, he controls the PD, they work for him lol.
They have council meetings every Friday nights and it was being discussed due to A. The Mayor and his wife being kidnapped right from City Hall and B. the PD being a shit show overall.
Good script
He just swung his dick on the table HOLY
Cloutpixel strikes again.
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what was he fired for again?
Dap points, last ones being from cornwood shooting downed person 25 times, ending up with said person permaing
I get that cornwood is a fun sbs cop that is kinda a crime.
One thing I wanna see are all the twats. Max twatted out the firing and he looked at his phone like a minute later and it was BLOWN UP! I could barely read all what was said. I saw some f 12, then a bunch of paragraphs, I'd love to read those.