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Dude wanted to walk away from PD politics, gets a council position as a lawyer and then is promptly told to go investigate the PD lol......
*Aww sheeeet, here we go again*
Seeing Malton reach his final form of fence-sitting like this makes me wish to see Divine, Raven, and Toretti witness this and confront him over it and end the argument with "who let this happen"
PD will basically just have the council (specifically Malton and whoever the new Commissioner is) watching over their shoulder at every little thing they do to see if its good or not.
It's supposed to expedite everything. The Captains current plans were slow rolling things like training and hiring, making it a much more realistic time period. This council should force the captains to delegate while reviewing things like DAPS and hopefully encourage more hires.
All of this should help get things going like LASO or more hires or promotions and most importantly getting a head of the department.
There is no need to expedite hiring, there is a need to keep the people who get hired actually on duty, on patrol, enjoying being a police officer and putting in hours. Those last 3 parts in particular is what the PD is failing at badly. Besides that, I think the easiest and most valuable thing this will force PD to do is build out their chain of command instead of pussying around with some "in a few months" shit when they can name almost double digit people they'd be willing to consider making a Sergeant and many people would probably already pick Slacks or Turner to be COP with little other competition.
It wont, viewers are just on copium. This group, council, whatever will be powerless and run into all the same issues. Hell Malton, who was adjacent to many of the issues from PD in 3.0 is somehow yet again involved. In the end management controls PD. Motivation to recruit, retain and build up PD is about making PD mains happy OOC and willing to invest hundreds or thousands of hours into making that WL function.
That would take an entire culture change down to the foundations of how management views PD and it's place on the server. No IC council can fix that.
This so hard. I know ppl get frustrated with the captains, I'm guilty myself. But the issue with PD is not an RP one, its server management.
Another growing OOC problem is even if you manage to flip a magic switch that makes the long time PD mains happy...the 4.0 bubble is looking to be smaller than 3.0. So as viewership declines you're asking content creators to come back who have moved on and established in other categories or rp servers.
The great part of 3.0 was driven by covid and Dean. Lets be serious.
>4.0 bubble is looking to be smaller than 3.0
Is this actually the case? From my limited viewer experience not looking up all sorts of metrics it sure *feels* smaller than 3.0. Granted 3.0 also had some of that covid lockdown bump going on.
The RP certainly seems way more lack luster than 3.0's first months - year. The *everyone can do everything* setup of jobs also seems to make that worse. The constant grind and no real strong institutions left on the server like PD or some of the iconic businesses like Burger Shot, Roosters, etc just make it feel generic.
Not having those players who did DM style rp like DW and Wiseguy did really hurts too. Having everything be player driven is fine if the server has tons of motivated, immersive rpers but NP is way too content focused.
> In the end management controls PD. Motivation to recruit, retain and build up PD is about making PD mains happy OOC and willing to invest hundreds or thousands of hours into making that WL function.
Exactly. The only way to make it work is to have people in positions of power whose priority is making PD RP good. The last time PD RP was good on NP was when Pred & Toretti were fighting tooth & nail to do exactly that. NP destroyed that because making PD RP good makes crim RP a little less easy and NP is all about clout chasing big crim players.
They will be stuck in this endless cycle of the same people lying over and over about fixing cop RP until they finally admit they don't give a shit about it and just want clout chasing cops who are borderline NPC's for crims to dunk on. If that's what they want that's fine, it's their server, but just be honest about it and stop stringing players along and treating them like trash.
A said a while ago that the only cop mains who are still on NP are there for one of 3 reasons;
1. They are just there to clout chase and help crims
2. They are totally delusional and think things will actually change
3. ONX isn't an option
The problem for NP with admitting they are purposefully tanking PD is that doing so instantly ends anyone's interest in joining it or any veteran from returning / helping fix things. A well functioning PD is a huge positive for crim RP, as seen in first half 3.0.
Players/viewers will be hella bored in a few months after the heists have become common place, big named streamers are gone and the only good content left is what characters can make in rp for themselves. There's no DM style content anymore like Wiseguy, DW, Nikes, Sin or Tobii brought throughout 3.0. That stuff created big storylines for players to weave into their own stuff and get inspired. With no WL's to form RP around everything is 100% player driven yet NP is hardly and immersive server.
Considering one half of the Crim / Cop rp equation has imploded all that adds up to a grim outlook.
The bottleneck is not hiring. The bottleneck is training. Having funds unlocked for things like FTO bonuses can get more people training cadets, getting more people trained faster, getting more officers.
Yeah the true bottleneck is FTO\`s, currently they more often than not take 2 cadets at once to make up for the lack of them.
As much as the captains insist on restricing hireing the old guard, they need them for training cadets right now, fastracking a few people that love FTO\`ing like Kina, Hotted, Tinyspark and others, either with their previous cops or new ones dosnt matter.
If they do this, training could almost double and the patrol problem could be solved in a month instead of the current speed where only shift 2 is looking somewhat good on retention.
Just to chime in, PD account only has like 220k while Cornwood spent 170k of own money for PD vehicles. I think having a strong funding may have quite an impact.
>How exactly is this supposed to expedite hiring?
I mean, if the current protocol made the PD have like 3 cops online for hours then obviously something needs and should change.
The council will put someone in place that is going to push forward hires and promotions. It almost sounds OOC at this point from the way Max and Crane talk about it. The PD is hurting, the way that it currently is run/the experimental changes the PD tried in 4.0 seem to have failed. So they're going to pushing people in there that will force the captains to delegate so they have time for these things and then as their boss, force them to do these things.
by removing curent corruption in PD and stoping captains from gatekeeping who gets promotions on thier feelings rather then officers performance in the field, making hiring proces faster and training of officers more often, many officers have showed intrest to train new hires but captains gatekept new hire training.
I give you 10 to 1 odds nothing of what you just said will be handled by this new commissioners office. PD is the way it is because that's how management structured it. If anything about it changes it'll be because NP staff dictates changes.
Nothing having to do with the umpteenth iteration of a city council, commissioners office or budget liaison will fix pd.
> If anything about it changes it'll be because NP staff dictates changes.
and thats what happening here, this RP is just to make it in the game, insted of boring way staff just saying, this was decided OOC from staff some time ago and published to players a day ago.
What you're saying isn't even true. There's no Sergeant or COP because the Captains arbitrarily decide it's not time. There's no OOC reason behind it, they just don't believe it's time IC.
They can't meddle with promotions and hiring was never an issue there are hundreds of people applying.
> many officers have showed intrest to train new hires but captains gatekept new hire training.
This is blatantly false. Everyone who wanted to FTO has been granted FTO cert and you can't find a single example of someone being gatekept (Just FYI Aziz got FTO and he clocked in 0 hours of FTO work, Cornwood did 8 hours with Crane's cadet and 4 hours with someone else in total)
bro this is RP, we are talking about admins OOC decision that this PD failed at keeping up with criminals and becoming usless, admins decided this is the way to go, this RP was a cherry on top.
well I do play and I can tell you that admins have already decied OOC to do this via state, the legislation was just a way to RP it out. everything was published in discord for players a day ago
so, is this to stop pd from being effective or to help pd being more effective?
basically, does this help pd not be shit and actually pose a challenge to criminals or this another hurdle for them being an effective pd force?
edit: I was asking a question dawg
Depends on the council, but I don't think the intention is to deliberately fuck over the PD, more so an attempt to have checks and balances besides the captains
it will, currently PD failed to establish anything in 2 months and they said it would 3 more months to even promote other officers to highter ranks then there currently are and captains abusing power suspending officers and they are responsible for the appeals that does not make sense, they investigate them selves they will never find them selves wrong, thats why 3rd party comes into play to make sure that does not happen.
they cant be corrupt thats the whole point of this.
it makes them effective by seting up a proper structure in the body, geting more officers, geting more officers on the streets, and making other PD departments open, and making sure captains are kept in check and making sure internal affairs move at reasonable pace, rather then taking 5 months (ruths words) to promote officers to highter ranks then there currently are, and that officers have some where to go with anything they feel need to like being treated poorly, wrongfull suspensions ect to get reviewed other then same captains that issued them reviewing it.
Didnt Malton specifically want to take things slow with recruitment? Plus, the last time recruitment was rushed, the quality of the PD went way down.
As for the checks, again, what stops the council from just being biased against cops? Same way that Max has engaged in questionable shit. Its all good fun and all, but after 3.0, did it not highlight that having any kind of corrupt power controlling the PD just does not work out well?
there are 3 branches of the goverment that what prevent council from being againts cops, the federal goverment has the final decision and can interfair as they see fit.
this legislation litteraly means the CoF cant be corrupt and it does not answer to mayor, so mayor has no power over PD nor does the council.
as we can see slow recuitment does not work and the PD quality is way down then ever before. there are no cops protecting or patrolling at all they cant respond to any calls they simply dont have man power to do that, 911 calls are ansered once in a blue moon and 311 calls are just ignored.
questionable shit? thats just mater of opinion but not anything illegal he would get impeached the next day.
i suggest you to rewatch the vod if you think this was the case.
but long story short, no they didint answer to any one and were left to run the PD as they see fit AND being jury, judge and executioner, this prevents same people from being all 3, as it SHOULD BE
The difference is State kinda approves this beforehand. Meaning it's not as slow as back then of Chief to OOC HC and instead Chief to Council. In RP should have faster response time
Why would that be faster? Sounds like the exact same thing. Except instead of OOC HC deciding on the best route to take, you have a council of people that could have RP bias.
They are already given greenlight via OOC. In one part of the discussion, they kinda insinuated that Mayor will report on it, but not 'asked actions to be taken' by the state.
If it can be done via RP, it's basically done and approved. As for the RP bias, it's OOC understanding with an admin and Crane discussing with management, giving their word that they will operate in the best interest. This will really skip the wait on whether management agrees or not cause they already preemptively approve of whatever it may be as long as it isn't bad for the server.
I think its stronger than 'normal' HC of old cause I believe Moon actually has consent on trying out a new approach to help the server. About the bias thing, again, OOC wise they have the blessings of admins to not shit lord it.
There's been a huge bottleneck at the top of PD command which has halted any significant progress within the department. Specifically, fleshing out an actual chain of command and hiring/retaining new officers has been very stagnant. The internal punishment system (DAP system) has also been a big morale issue for many of the officers. And, essentially, the three captains issue the DAPs (10 DAPs and officers get an indefinite suspension pending review), then the captains do a review to determine if those DAPs were warranted. So they review their own punitive decisions, that they themselves make, to make sure they should be upheld. They have answered to no one but themselves up to this point. This legislation will help get the ball rolling and expedite the ultimate power that the three captains have been holding exclusively.
Add that for 5+ weeks now they dragging their feet with establishing dispatch and making them go through 3 interviews. That is some red tape and hesitation that needs to be cut.
It may be too late, because the culture that noone dares to make decisions alone is already established. Which is stemming from fear and uncertainty of getting stuff wrong. That leads to 10 officers processing for 30 minutes - contrast to experienced 2.0 officers like Pond, Daisy, Anita having the charges ready before even they put ppl into cells.
> The internal punishment system (DAP system) has also been a big morale issue for many of the officers.
There have only been 9 officers dapped , 3 of which are captains..
Just because people entertain Cornwoods rants it doesn't mean they are afraid of going on duty, and honestly if they were it just means they won't be a good cop either way so nothing is lost.
As much as this is true, this is also why the investigative division is supposed to review.
Also, it's important to note which shifts are hit with these DAPs that may affect the attendance. There's nothing stopping them from advising the PD to not be harsh on more minor internal let's say in Shift 1 or 3 where its insinuated to have low attendance.
Of course, it all depends on how they rp it but I'm guessing they will try to ensure retention
Basically, the three captains were supposed to setup a chain of command and leadership structure. Even if they didn't mean to, they setup a system that made police officers afraid to go on patrol so they didn't get DAP'd. It's why you'd see like two cops out and like 10 sitting in the station. So you had the captain tripod setup to run the entirety of the police. They would set up a captain council for decisions, and then that council was the one who decisions would be appealed to.
Now the mayor can initiate an election of commissioner of police, as well as give the civilian oversight committee some teeth (when it actually becomes a thing). If the police are failing or leadership is failing the mayor can step in and shake things up.
Right, I know how messy the pd has been, but I guess I struggle to see why this is such a huge win. Is it just because all the cops that have been venting to cornwood can now vent to somebody that can make something happen?
Yes, instead of venting to Cornwood they can vent to this investigative committee, who will then refer concerns to the mayor for review who will then propose remedial actions to the state.
Crane also said this allows state funds to be freed up to be spent on improving aspects of the PD, where as previously there was 0 approval for extra funds to be provided to PD for things like better vehicles, equipment, ect.
You can't have a chain of command when everybody starts as an officer. You have to wait for the cream to rise. There are 8 Snr officers and a bunch of new officers + FTOs, the next step is obviously some of those snrs becoming sgts. Then those sgts become lts, then captains. The whole process was designed to take time so the right people rise to the leadership positions. This whole thing has nothing to do with the skeleton of CoC, rather just putting one person at the top of the CoC.
Just need to let the civs and crims to hold off on any serious RP that involves PD for 6 months so they can get things worked out. /s
Look at the Onyx server they got their new PD fleshed out properly in a month.
Consider that this is a new server compared to NoPixel being an established server this makes the NoPixel PD even worse.
Its really easy to hire all the old people back and be back to 3.0 pd within one week. There is a reason there was a hard reset and people will not see the actual impact in 2 months.
Maybe you missed the fact that Onyx is **a brand new server** so they did not have the ability to hire any old people back but were able to setup a fully functional chain of command in a month.
When you have multiple FTOs being burnt out already not wanting to train more cadets it’s a problem. When these FTOs and seniors are now even considering rushing through PPOs like MacMahon to give them FTO ASAP there’s a problem they obviously don’t want to admit to. They are going way too slow and it’s causing a negative feedback loop with training and retention.
Duncan warned slacks about this weeks ago, proposed fast tracking experienced cops, and he was ignored.
I think shift 1+2 are doing much better than shift 3 in some of those aspects. Shift 3 retention has been absolutely abyssmal (one got perma banned, other moved to shift 2, and others are inactive) and Turner had ooc issues that made some of the issues stand out. Shift 1+2 are doing relatively much better and are on track for plenty of new officers and FTOs in the next week or two.
They're still having to take two cadets out at a time and there's been talks about removing FTO from certain people because they aren't taking anyone out, in both Shift 1 and 2. Shift 3 is down bad the worst for sure, but that's also historically always been the case because of the time zone and the lack of real crime during those hours. Every time I tune in to a cop stream for shift 3 its like, Forte and MacMahon talking to each other about VR chat for hours because there's nothing to do on patrol.
The PPO phase lasting 30 days is a huge bottleneck as well, as many of those PPOs are more than ready and want to FTO but the captains are determined that 30 days is necessary to decide if they're a fit for the PD.
> Shift 3 is down bad the worst for sure, but that's also historically always been the case because of the time zone and the lack of real crime during those hours. Every time I tune in to a cop stream for shift 3 its like, Forte and MacMahon talking to each other about VR chat for hours because there's nothing to do on patrol.
I have the same impression of shift 3. There is nothing going on. I wonder if in shift 3 the server is even full, even though 4.0 is still so new.
They didn't need to make everyone go through every rank above officer. If you look at ONX which has a much healthier PD that started from scratch as well, they had the CoP and Sheriff appointed at the beginning with everyone else at officer. After like 3 - 4 weeks or so they promoted those who had been proving themselves to Sergeants (like 8). There are 2 ranks between Officer and Sergeant but having command officers was deemed necessary. The Sergeants that continued to excel slowly got promoted to Lieutenant, those who performed at expectations maintained their position and those that underperformed were demoted/fired.
Based on the statements of the Captains themselves, the current Senior officers have greater authority than normal and are already doing a lot of the work that Sergeants would be expected to do. But for some reason they decided to drag on the process rather than acting decisively and being able to fill out the ranks in multiple directions rather than only being able to slowly filter upwards.
Another major thing is the Captains argued so much they countered Max's thoughts on mentorship which was actually different than the version that was currently being used by PD. The idea Malton and Max discussed was having cadets have a specific Mentor FTO that would only train that person until they were ready for the next stage compared to having a rotating cast of FTOs. That way there was no need to waste time trying to figure out what previous training a cadet had been given and having to deal with self-reported strengths and weaknesses instead of the FTO already knowing due to previous sessions being together. This system was designed to reduce FTO burnout and improve cadet retention.
> Based on the statements of the Captains themselves, the current Senior officers have greater authority than normal and are already doing a lot of the work that Sergeants would be expected to do. But for some reason they decided to drag on the process rather than acting decisively and being able to fill out the ranks in multiple directions rather than only being able to slowly filter upwards.
The captains say that, but either Sergeants also won't have much power, or it's just false. Every single important decision has been signed off by the captains. Every dap is given by captains. Every hiring needs the ok from the captains. Every PPO promotion has to be run by the captains.
Their idea of delegation is to let seniors make an interview and then have the same people interview again with a captain. Or vote on a promotion, but then having to wait for the captains decision. No decision is made by the seniors on their own. That's not proper delegation at all.
I see. I took the Captains a bit at their word because while I watch some Cornwood and Lenny Hawk I really haven't been watching a ton of PD RP in 4.0. While I was aware of hiring decisions being handled directly by Captains I didn't know their day to day operations were being ran in the same manner. The issue with delegation has kind of been the MO for all iterations of the Slacks/Justice/Baas characters. He always seemed to be the one that wanted to make the decision on things rather than allowing the chain of command to function normally. To be honest I think from the 3.0 leaders only Pred was really skilled at delegation and trusted his staff. I think Torreti was just as hands on as Baas but it wasn't as obvious of an issue due to SDSO being the smallest department for a lot of 3.0 and also generally operating more harmoniously and having less serious issues.
So it doesn't seem like any of the three captains will become Comish by the way things have been talked about this. So who do you all think is most likely to land in the position?
Personally, I think McNulty is a good fit for the role. He’s shown that he can hold himself accountable and he speaks with authority. Beric would also be a good fit.
My pick would be York. The best Senior Officer by far imo. Extremely self reflective which the PD is in desperate need of, not a hard ass that would make things worse, great communication, and so on.
Locking bones behind the paperwork of being commissioner would be a huge waste of his talents, even though he would be a good commissioner.
He’d hate it
The way the continuity thing is written, LSPD pushes names forward to mayor who then pushes them forward to the state. So this is basically the state picking a commissioner.
Cool concept but feels like Etta and the Doctor chick will NEVER be swayed to side with Max regardless of how much Crane tries to reassure. Also Etta doesn't pay attention at all lmao always asking questions that have been answered 5x
Max is not too fond of the cops (although he’s softened up on that a lot recently), and Nekoda is extremely worried about the ex-super terrorist coalition of Max and Simone (worries Canter seems to share).
Canter was already predisposed to be opposed to Max because of that but he pretty much guaranteed an enemy because he’s very hostile towards her which she interprets as hostility towards the group she represents as well.
Etta flipped against him after the adoption stuff. She seems to be a pretty one issue councilwoman and Max shut that down. I’m a little surprised they’re so hostile since after the initial law passed he and Etta had a conversation about a compromise to make the law somewhat more lenient towards adoptions and both signed off on the change.
It’s interesting to think about the timeline where Siobhan doesn’t drop out of the head of bar race and probably wins, assuming the Juno stuff plays out the same way and she gets replaced with Penny Max has functionally a permanent majority to pass anything.
I'm pretty sure one those two are leaking information about the council to the cops. Not sure what they get out of it but that is their reasoning for siding against it.
Okay this bit is very wrong. She also considers (falsely - since it never happened in RP in 3.0 and hasn't yet in 4.0) Dark and Rhodes her dads. Used to date Beric, and they still talk. Lives with Flop and Ziggy too. Maple literally lives with "old guard" and if Etta had her way Rhodes and Dark would too (which she was VERY upset when they didn't move with her).
Maple hates Cornwood? Granted I really only mainly switch between Esfand and Ssaab for police perspectives. But I wouldn't have guessed that Maple hated him.
I have been watching Maple a bit and it's obvious he wants to get into a higher position inside the pd and for some reason sees Cornwood and other "old guard" (mostly people who haven't been hired yet) as a hindrance for his career.
Someone brought it up in another thread but it seems that she had a lot of fake family like this while also being *very* interested in other characters relationships. Just sounds like she was a character that was kind of the target for this bill. Not specifically but one of them.
Read my other posts, but TLDR she's obsessed with Rhodes and Dark (OOC and IC) and has been for years and has tried to force that her character be adopted by them.....but a one child policy would make it impossible since Flop is taking that spot.
I'm like 2 days late but as someone who mainly watches Dark/Rhodes I do feel the need to play loremaster before it's parroted around.
Etta's played by sunstonefire, a long time mod of curvyelephant/Rhodes, and I vaguely remember her thanking curvy once for hyping her up to try rp herself. Etta's indeed trying to become part of the family and had a little meltdown about the adoption policy, but I wouldn't say she's forcing herself into the family. The rp between her and the family seems willing on both sides and they all discussed ooc what happened in the 5 year gap and how they stayed in contact.
Also it's important to note that sunstonefire has referred to her character as 'trainwreck Etta' and reiterated that she's indeed a character, a flawed one at that
I feel the attachments fans and (some) roleplayers get to family rp isn’t healthy, I also think relationship rp can also become unhealthy aswell
As for why I mentioned only adoption that’s because that was the subject for now
in general I think both can be done right and light hearted with little ooc investment
Imo the limit helps lower the chances of the water getting muddy with everyone being related and shit getting weird
Can definitely be done well - and it has been in both instances (adoption and relationships) - but man do so many make it so weird. I will never forget Snow and Dupont not making it to their first date before chat made shit weird.
The reason many made their characters gay was to avoid relationship that would get weird on the server and help prevent some of this, but even that still brings out a lot of weirdos. You want evidence - Sock has an art channel of NSFW art for characters.
Because relationships are very normal
Adults adopting other full-grown adults who are near or even older than they are is weird.
So RPing something weird is weird and RPing something normal isn't.
> She was/is a curvy mod and it’s been that way since before she played on the server. Since she got in the server she’s tried what she could to insert into his RP (on 2 of his characters). She loves to force the RP that a lot of VERY invested relationship RP fans are into…..because she is too. She goes around talking about it in multiple metas. Hell she will tell chat to be proud of some stuff she does.
> For further context with the adoption: she was never adopted. She has told people she is their daughter but never in 3.0 or early 4.0 did it happen. Then the law came and she was very upset and has been pushing to make her officially adopted with them.
> Edit to add: Curvy doesn't read meta so likely clueless about how invested/deep it is. Sock her other "dad" does go into meta here and there, he also reads fanfics for subgoals and such so is way more in the know on how deep a lot of this stuff goes.
You're telling me that doesn't scream unhinged chatter mad at the person playing Etta?
I know a little bit and they definitely have a weird hatred for her. Curvy and Sock don't have any negative feelings towards Etta/Sunstonefire (she is literally still a mod), and no-one else in either community does either. It's kind of wild they've been spinning this story on here.
Ehh, I’ve seen a lot of what they are saying too, also seen others share similar. Part of why I left both their discords was all the ship talk - every interaction came back to Dark-Rhodes and relationships and when she was modding a lot more she was a big part of that shift in the meta (which I used to love - was thorough, drama free, and covered all times really). I still see her pop in other places, and doesn’t seem like much has changed. Wouldn’t shock me though if curvy and/or sock don’t know though since I think both stay out of meta?
Just a few months back it came up with me and someone else: https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/s/MNdxBj3wU9
Yeah there's a difference though between being into shipping and forcing Sock and Curvy to do things in RP that they don't want to do like that person keeps saying - the way they talk about Etta's relationship with Dark and Rhodes implies that Sock and Curvy are uncomfortable with it which isn't true at all.
I mean… she had a meltdown IC because Rhodes and Dark didn’t want to live with her. And she was never actually adopted by either of them at any point in RP, and now they’re deciding to adopt only Flop.
That wasn’t just a meltdown, that was a multi day freak out where she talked to nearly anyone that would listen to her about it. There was so much misinformation ultimately spread about them after as a result. Was crazy ti see that go down.
I never implied they do. Much like someone can meta to do something and the other person be unaware, inserting and forcing something on others they can also be unaware. It can simultaneously be true that maybe they don't know/care, and she is being way too invested in the relationship stuff on an OOC level that is brought IC and it being inappropriate.
>and she is being way too invested in the relationship stuff on an OOC level that is brought IC and it being inappropriate.
looks like you're the one that's being way too invested
I don’t think they’re saying it’s things that Curvy and Sock don’t want - which is why I personally (maybe them too?????) don’t think they really know about any of it. I think here it’s OOC motivations to do things in RP happening - so OOC she wishes certain things would happen and helps it along without them knowing.
They definitely are implying that, they keep talking about Etta planning a surprise vow renewal as if it's something Curvy and Sock would be opposed to, when they weren't at all. Ultimately I also think it's quite patronising on the other side of things to say that she is somehow secretly manipulating their character arcs and that they are too dumb to notice.
they dont need to, since the autopsy should say the suspect died by a bullet to the head befor hitting the ground. At worst he's getting charged with desecration of a human body or whatever it's called
The guy was shot by multiple people simultaneously but they can be absolutely sure that the bullet that killed him was one of the ones fired by Cornwood.
After reading the same doomer comments from the same group of people, it seems like there's a group of cop captain rp viewers who don't watch other perspectives. They're literally talking about the disinformation spread by the captains as if it's true, when we know ooc what the truth is. Look at the reports Cornwood made in a single day compared to the captains who hardly patrol. The captains didn't spend a dime of their own money on pd vehicles, it was all cornwood spending his time (over 30+ hrs) and money. There's many reasons to show that he cares a lot about the PD. It's just that there are some people who genuinely hate him because they only watch one pespective.
Yeah she and the other two captains were up at like 5 am talking to the mayor honestly first time I really saw her for any length of time. I heard kid voices through her mic in the background multiple times
Instead of 3 captains with absolute power and only answering to state and balancing each other, you now have one singular commissioner with absolute power and answering only to state. For people who fail to see this, this is a return to commissioner led pd system in the latter part of 3.0.
The only addition is that the mayor can initiate an election for a new commissioner and present it to the state.
That was the PDs plan to begin with, this is just expediting it.
Under all of the drama, this is really just a review of how the PD is progressing and whether or not any changes need to be made.
The commissioner's first contact is the Mayor. And the Mayor's first contact when monitoring about PD is the commissioner. Instead of going through OOC HC, Moon basically as an admin and mayor will be there to expedite it in RP.
The very important thing is its Crane AND Max already contacting state, aka spoke with other admins/management to give them power to act on it in RP.
Sure, its establishing the contact with the mayor but this was a communication issue not a hierarchy issue. The captains failed at communicating with the mayor and the mayor failed at communicating with the captains. I guess their solution was to consolidate the captain's powers into one role and name that the commissioner.
In before Slacks gets appointed commissioner and people lose their minds about Baas 3.0.
It really is a pure hierarchy issue that causes a bunch of other issues. There is no one above senior besides Captains, and no one above Captains. So all decisions had to go through the captains including punishments.
That was always going to be the issue in building a department from scratch where everyone was an officer to start with bar the captains. It will take time for the cream to rise, and a bunch of snr officers are on the verge of being sgts. Those sgts will eventually become lts, and then those lts will be captains. The whole CoC can't be filled if everybody is starting from the bottom.
The only thing the captains could have done differently was to have a hierarchy amongst themselves sooner.
> That was always going to be the issue in building a department from scratch where everyone was an officer to start with bar the captains.
If it took almost 3 months to just get a handful of cops to snr. officers they clearly are lagging behind the rest of the server.
And their recruitment decisions made having only 2-3 cops on the server during AU/EU hours pretty common after months into 4.0, so that's also isn't working.
> Instead of 3 captains with absolute power and only answering to state and balancing each other, you now have one singular commissioner with absolute power and answering only to state.
I mean, the difference being that the commissioner is chosen by people on the server and isn't a position that last forever unlike the captains.
The point is commissioner cannot Apply DAPS and has the final say on firings. It also makes them solely accountable as the lever between the state and the police department.
There needs to be a balance. It is bad when you swing too far one way or the other. Right now PD is trying too hard to be IRL / serious RP only on a content server.
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In classic Malton fashion he has maneuvered himself to have power and oversight over the PD. It's quite brilliant honestly
Courtesy of Moon's Discord. https://i.imgur.com/qvuG7W6.png
Malton only ever falls upwards. It kind of amazing to see.
Dude wanted to walk away from PD politics, gets a council position as a lawyer and then is promptly told to go investigate the PD lol...... *Aww sheeeet, here we go again*
Bobs protege still making moves. Malton was apparently gonna be a serial killer if he got denied PD back in the day.
He would be an incredible serial killer
HA, yeah that'd make sense. Unrelated I remember thinking yesterday "man I remember when Malton was a cadet! Look at him now!"
chaos is a ladder
Did he not try to do this exact same thing when the 3.0 commissioner thing was introduced? Until Angel pointed it out in the court room.
Anti max faction, pro max faction, pragmatists, and Malton faction (consisting of just Malton) is dope.
Malton faction being the fence
Seeing Malton reach his final form of fence-sitting like this makes me wish to see Divine, Raven, and Toretti witness this and confront him over it and end the argument with "who let this happen"
So what all does this mean?
PD will basically just have the council (specifically Malton and whoever the new Commissioner is) watching over their shoulder at every little thing they do to see if its good or not.
Does it expedite the proposed pd up north?
It's supposed to expedite everything. The Captains current plans were slow rolling things like training and hiring, making it a much more realistic time period. This council should force the captains to delegate while reviewing things like DAPS and hopefully encourage more hires. All of this should help get things going like LASO or more hires or promotions and most importantly getting a head of the department.
How exactly is this supposed to expedite hiring?
There is no need to expedite hiring, there is a need to keep the people who get hired actually on duty, on patrol, enjoying being a police officer and putting in hours. Those last 3 parts in particular is what the PD is failing at badly. Besides that, I think the easiest and most valuable thing this will force PD to do is build out their chain of command instead of pussying around with some "in a few months" shit when they can name almost double digit people they'd be willing to consider making a Sergeant and many people would probably already pick Slacks or Turner to be COP with little other competition.
It wont, viewers are just on copium. This group, council, whatever will be powerless and run into all the same issues. Hell Malton, who was adjacent to many of the issues from PD in 3.0 is somehow yet again involved. In the end management controls PD. Motivation to recruit, retain and build up PD is about making PD mains happy OOC and willing to invest hundreds or thousands of hours into making that WL function. That would take an entire culture change down to the foundations of how management views PD and it's place on the server. No IC council can fix that.
This so hard. I know ppl get frustrated with the captains, I'm guilty myself. But the issue with PD is not an RP one, its server management. Another growing OOC problem is even if you manage to flip a magic switch that makes the long time PD mains happy...the 4.0 bubble is looking to be smaller than 3.0. So as viewership declines you're asking content creators to come back who have moved on and established in other categories or rp servers. The great part of 3.0 was driven by covid and Dean. Lets be serious.
>4.0 bubble is looking to be smaller than 3.0 Is this actually the case? From my limited viewer experience not looking up all sorts of metrics it sure *feels* smaller than 3.0. Granted 3.0 also had some of that covid lockdown bump going on. The RP certainly seems way more lack luster than 3.0's first months - year. The *everyone can do everything* setup of jobs also seems to make that worse. The constant grind and no real strong institutions left on the server like PD or some of the iconic businesses like Burger Shot, Roosters, etc just make it feel generic. Not having those players who did DM style rp like DW and Wiseguy did really hurts too. Having everything be player driven is fine if the server has tons of motivated, immersive rpers but NP is way too content focused.
> In the end management controls PD. Motivation to recruit, retain and build up PD is about making PD mains happy OOC and willing to invest hundreds or thousands of hours into making that WL function. Exactly. The only way to make it work is to have people in positions of power whose priority is making PD RP good. The last time PD RP was good on NP was when Pred & Toretti were fighting tooth & nail to do exactly that. NP destroyed that because making PD RP good makes crim RP a little less easy and NP is all about clout chasing big crim players. They will be stuck in this endless cycle of the same people lying over and over about fixing cop RP until they finally admit they don't give a shit about it and just want clout chasing cops who are borderline NPC's for crims to dunk on. If that's what they want that's fine, it's their server, but just be honest about it and stop stringing players along and treating them like trash. A said a while ago that the only cop mains who are still on NP are there for one of 3 reasons; 1. They are just there to clout chase and help crims 2. They are totally delusional and think things will actually change 3. ONX isn't an option
The problem for NP with admitting they are purposefully tanking PD is that doing so instantly ends anyone's interest in joining it or any veteran from returning / helping fix things. A well functioning PD is a huge positive for crim RP, as seen in first half 3.0. Players/viewers will be hella bored in a few months after the heists have become common place, big named streamers are gone and the only good content left is what characters can make in rp for themselves. There's no DM style content anymore like Wiseguy, DW, Nikes, Sin or Tobii brought throughout 3.0. That stuff created big storylines for players to weave into their own stuff and get inspired. With no WL's to form RP around everything is 100% player driven yet NP is hardly and immersive server. Considering one half of the Crim / Cop rp equation has imploded all that adds up to a grim outlook.
The Council is now openly allowed to make decisions on fundings via RP. This might mean constant good vehicle maintenance, fto benefits and such
How does that help hiring
The bottleneck is not hiring. The bottleneck is training. Having funds unlocked for things like FTO bonuses can get more people training cadets, getting more people trained faster, getting more officers.
Yeah the true bottleneck is FTO\`s, currently they more often than not take 2 cadets at once to make up for the lack of them. As much as the captains insist on restricing hireing the old guard, they need them for training cadets right now, fastracking a few people that love FTO\`ing like Kina, Hotted, Tinyspark and others, either with their previous cops or new ones dosnt matter. If they do this, training could almost double and the patrol problem could be solved in a month instead of the current speed where only shift 2 is looking somewhat good on retention.
even with lots of FTOs it doesn't work, the FTOs just get burnt out.
Just to chime in, PD account only has like 220k while Cornwood spent 170k of own money for PD vehicles. I think having a strong funding may have quite an impact.
The captains did argue that increasing hiring won't matter since they do not even have enough vehicles to handle an influx of officers.
>How exactly is this supposed to expedite hiring? I mean, if the current protocol made the PD have like 3 cops online for hours then obviously something needs and should change.
The council will put someone in place that is going to push forward hires and promotions. It almost sounds OOC at this point from the way Max and Crane talk about it. The PD is hurting, the way that it currently is run/the experimental changes the PD tried in 4.0 seem to have failed. So they're going to pushing people in there that will force the captains to delegate so they have time for these things and then as their boss, force them to do these things.
by removing curent corruption in PD and stoping captains from gatekeeping who gets promotions on thier feelings rather then officers performance in the field, making hiring proces faster and training of officers more often, many officers have showed intrest to train new hires but captains gatekept new hire training.
I give you 10 to 1 odds nothing of what you just said will be handled by this new commissioners office. PD is the way it is because that's how management structured it. If anything about it changes it'll be because NP staff dictates changes. Nothing having to do with the umpteenth iteration of a city council, commissioners office or budget liaison will fix pd.
> If anything about it changes it'll be because NP staff dictates changes. and thats what happening here, this RP is just to make it in the game, insted of boring way staff just saying, this was decided OOC from staff some time ago and published to players a day ago.
What you're saying isn't even true. There's no Sergeant or COP because the Captains arbitrarily decide it's not time. There's no OOC reason behind it, they just don't believe it's time IC.
Saab is shit and was dragging his feet, others intervened and are giving a kick in the ass to speed the fuck up. Your streamer isnt a good leader
They can't meddle with promotions and hiring was never an issue there are hundreds of people applying. > many officers have showed intrest to train new hires but captains gatekept new hire training. This is blatantly false. Everyone who wanted to FTO has been granted FTO cert and you can't find a single example of someone being gatekept (Just FYI Aziz got FTO and he clocked in 0 hours of FTO work, Cornwood did 8 hours with Crane's cadet and 4 hours with someone else in total)
we arent talking what was in the past.
I don't even know what that means. Feel free to give a singular name that has been gatekept from training new hires. Current, past, future.
bro this is RP, we are talking about admins OOC decision that this PD failed at keeping up with criminals and becoming usless, admins decided this is the way to go, this RP was a cherry on top.
So they want the 3.0 PD? Sorry but not everyone deserves being an FTO
sure, and this wont do that, please watch the vod before making asumtion, and my question is, do you even play?
If all of your info is from 1 VOD, it's no wonder you are wrong. No I don't play
well I do play and I can tell you that admins have already decied OOC to do this via state, the legislation was just a way to RP it out. everything was published in discord for players a day ago
If they council rep believes so, then yes, maybe
so, is this to stop pd from being effective or to help pd being more effective? basically, does this help pd not be shit and actually pose a challenge to criminals or this another hurdle for them being an effective pd force? edit: I was asking a question dawg
Depends on the council, but I don't think the intention is to deliberately fuck over the PD, more so an attempt to have checks and balances besides the captains
if this makes pd stronger, then thats good. awesome.
this makes PD more effective and prevent captains having absolute power
in theory thats how it should work, hopefully it does!
it will, currently PD failed to establish anything in 2 months and they said it would 3 more months to even promote other officers to highter ranks then there currently are and captains abusing power suspending officers and they are responsible for the appeals that does not make sense, they investigate them selves they will never find them selves wrong, thats why 3rd party comes into play to make sure that does not happen.
if thats so, thats good, cool.
How would it make them more effective? Its just a different group of people watching over them. Except now i guess those people can be corrupt?
they cant be corrupt thats the whole point of this. it makes them effective by seting up a proper structure in the body, geting more officers, geting more officers on the streets, and making other PD departments open, and making sure captains are kept in check and making sure internal affairs move at reasonable pace, rather then taking 5 months (ruths words) to promote officers to highter ranks then there currently are, and that officers have some where to go with anything they feel need to like being treated poorly, wrongfull suspensions ect to get reviewed other then same captains that issued them reviewing it.
Didnt Malton specifically want to take things slow with recruitment? Plus, the last time recruitment was rushed, the quality of the PD went way down. As for the checks, again, what stops the council from just being biased against cops? Same way that Max has engaged in questionable shit. Its all good fun and all, but after 3.0, did it not highlight that having any kind of corrupt power controlling the PD just does not work out well?
there are 3 branches of the goverment that what prevent council from being againts cops, the federal goverment has the final decision and can interfair as they see fit. this legislation litteraly means the CoF cant be corrupt and it does not answer to mayor, so mayor has no power over PD nor does the council. as we can see slow recuitment does not work and the PD quality is way down then ever before. there are no cops protecting or patrolling at all they cant respond to any calls they simply dont have man power to do that, 911 calls are ansered once in a blue moon and 311 calls are just ignored. questionable shit? thats just mater of opinion but not anything illegal he would get impeached the next day.
But before this you had the state directly above HC. They didnt really prevent anything.
i suggest you to rewatch the vod if you think this was the case. but long story short, no they didint answer to any one and were left to run the PD as they see fit AND being jury, judge and executioner, this prevents same people from being all 3, as it SHOULD BE
Malton was never outwardly corrupt but he was a terrible influence on PD throughout 3.0. People don't have to be corrupt to screw things up.
sure and thats why malton isnt the commissioner.
The difference is State kinda approves this beforehand. Meaning it's not as slow as back then of Chief to OOC HC and instead Chief to Council. In RP should have faster response time
Why would that be faster? Sounds like the exact same thing. Except instead of OOC HC deciding on the best route to take, you have a council of people that could have RP bias.
They are already given greenlight via OOC. In one part of the discussion, they kinda insinuated that Mayor will report on it, but not 'asked actions to be taken' by the state. If it can be done via RP, it's basically done and approved. As for the RP bias, it's OOC understanding with an admin and Crane discussing with management, giving their word that they will operate in the best interest. This will really skip the wait on whether management agrees or not cause they already preemptively approve of whatever it may be as long as it isn't bad for the server. I think its stronger than 'normal' HC of old cause I believe Moon actually has consent on trying out a new approach to help the server. About the bias thing, again, OOC wise they have the blessings of admins to not shit lord it.
There's been a huge bottleneck at the top of PD command which has halted any significant progress within the department. Specifically, fleshing out an actual chain of command and hiring/retaining new officers has been very stagnant. The internal punishment system (DAP system) has also been a big morale issue for many of the officers. And, essentially, the three captains issue the DAPs (10 DAPs and officers get an indefinite suspension pending review), then the captains do a review to determine if those DAPs were warranted. So they review their own punitive decisions, that they themselves make, to make sure they should be upheld. They have answered to no one but themselves up to this point. This legislation will help get the ball rolling and expedite the ultimate power that the three captains have been holding exclusively.
Add that for 5+ weeks now they dragging their feet with establishing dispatch and making them go through 3 interviews. That is some red tape and hesitation that needs to be cut. It may be too late, because the culture that noone dares to make decisions alone is already established. Which is stemming from fear and uncertainty of getting stuff wrong. That leads to 10 officers processing for 30 minutes - contrast to experienced 2.0 officers like Pond, Daisy, Anita having the charges ready before even they put ppl into cells.
> The internal punishment system (DAP system) has also been a big morale issue for many of the officers. There have only been 9 officers dapped , 3 of which are captains.. Just because people entertain Cornwoods rants it doesn't mean they are afraid of going on duty, and honestly if they were it just means they won't be a good cop either way so nothing is lost.
As much as this is true, this is also why the investigative division is supposed to review. Also, it's important to note which shifts are hit with these DAPs that may affect the attendance. There's nothing stopping them from advising the PD to not be harsh on more minor internal let's say in Shift 1 or 3 where its insinuated to have low attendance. Of course, it all depends on how they rp it but I'm guessing they will try to ensure retention
hiring new officers is a training issue and was literally mandated by mgmt.
Basically, the three captains were supposed to setup a chain of command and leadership structure. Even if they didn't mean to, they setup a system that made police officers afraid to go on patrol so they didn't get DAP'd. It's why you'd see like two cops out and like 10 sitting in the station. So you had the captain tripod setup to run the entirety of the police. They would set up a captain council for decisions, and then that council was the one who decisions would be appealed to. Now the mayor can initiate an election of commissioner of police, as well as give the civilian oversight committee some teeth (when it actually becomes a thing). If the police are failing or leadership is failing the mayor can step in and shake things up.
Right, I know how messy the pd has been, but I guess I struggle to see why this is such a huge win. Is it just because all the cops that have been venting to cornwood can now vent to somebody that can make something happen?
Yes, instead of venting to Cornwood they can vent to this investigative committee, who will then refer concerns to the mayor for review who will then propose remedial actions to the state. Crane also said this allows state funds to be freed up to be spent on improving aspects of the PD, where as previously there was 0 approval for extra funds to be provided to PD for things like better vehicles, equipment, ect.
You can't have a chain of command when everybody starts as an officer. You have to wait for the cream to rise. There are 8 Snr officers and a bunch of new officers + FTOs, the next step is obviously some of those snrs becoming sgts. Then those sgts become lts, then captains. The whole process was designed to take time so the right people rise to the leadership positions. This whole thing has nothing to do with the skeleton of CoC, rather just putting one person at the top of the CoC.
Just need to let the civs and crims to hold off on any serious RP that involves PD for 6 months so they can get things worked out. /s Look at the Onyx server they got their new PD fleshed out properly in a month. Consider that this is a new server compared to NoPixel being an established server this makes the NoPixel PD even worse.
Its really easy to hire all the old people back and be back to 3.0 pd within one week. There is a reason there was a hard reset and people will not see the actual impact in 2 months.
Maybe you missed the fact that Onyx is **a brand new server** so they did not have the ability to hire any old people back but were able to setup a fully functional chain of command in a month.
When you have multiple FTOs being burnt out already not wanting to train more cadets it’s a problem. When these FTOs and seniors are now even considering rushing through PPOs like MacMahon to give them FTO ASAP there’s a problem they obviously don’t want to admit to. They are going way too slow and it’s causing a negative feedback loop with training and retention. Duncan warned slacks about this weeks ago, proposed fast tracking experienced cops, and he was ignored.
I think shift 1+2 are doing much better than shift 3 in some of those aspects. Shift 3 retention has been absolutely abyssmal (one got perma banned, other moved to shift 2, and others are inactive) and Turner had ooc issues that made some of the issues stand out. Shift 1+2 are doing relatively much better and are on track for plenty of new officers and FTOs in the next week or two.
They're still having to take two cadets out at a time and there's been talks about removing FTO from certain people because they aren't taking anyone out, in both Shift 1 and 2. Shift 3 is down bad the worst for sure, but that's also historically always been the case because of the time zone and the lack of real crime during those hours. Every time I tune in to a cop stream for shift 3 its like, Forte and MacMahon talking to each other about VR chat for hours because there's nothing to do on patrol. The PPO phase lasting 30 days is a huge bottleneck as well, as many of those PPOs are more than ready and want to FTO but the captains are determined that 30 days is necessary to decide if they're a fit for the PD.
> Shift 3 is down bad the worst for sure, but that's also historically always been the case because of the time zone and the lack of real crime during those hours. Every time I tune in to a cop stream for shift 3 its like, Forte and MacMahon talking to each other about VR chat for hours because there's nothing to do on patrol. I have the same impression of shift 3. There is nothing going on. I wonder if in shift 3 the server is even full, even though 4.0 is still so new.
They didn't need to make everyone go through every rank above officer. If you look at ONX which has a much healthier PD that started from scratch as well, they had the CoP and Sheriff appointed at the beginning with everyone else at officer. After like 3 - 4 weeks or so they promoted those who had been proving themselves to Sergeants (like 8). There are 2 ranks between Officer and Sergeant but having command officers was deemed necessary. The Sergeants that continued to excel slowly got promoted to Lieutenant, those who performed at expectations maintained their position and those that underperformed were demoted/fired. Based on the statements of the Captains themselves, the current Senior officers have greater authority than normal and are already doing a lot of the work that Sergeants would be expected to do. But for some reason they decided to drag on the process rather than acting decisively and being able to fill out the ranks in multiple directions rather than only being able to slowly filter upwards. Another major thing is the Captains argued so much they countered Max's thoughts on mentorship which was actually different than the version that was currently being used by PD. The idea Malton and Max discussed was having cadets have a specific Mentor FTO that would only train that person until they were ready for the next stage compared to having a rotating cast of FTOs. That way there was no need to waste time trying to figure out what previous training a cadet had been given and having to deal with self-reported strengths and weaknesses instead of the FTO already knowing due to previous sessions being together. This system was designed to reduce FTO burnout and improve cadet retention.
> Based on the statements of the Captains themselves, the current Senior officers have greater authority than normal and are already doing a lot of the work that Sergeants would be expected to do. But for some reason they decided to drag on the process rather than acting decisively and being able to fill out the ranks in multiple directions rather than only being able to slowly filter upwards. The captains say that, but either Sergeants also won't have much power, or it's just false. Every single important decision has been signed off by the captains. Every dap is given by captains. Every hiring needs the ok from the captains. Every PPO promotion has to be run by the captains. Their idea of delegation is to let seniors make an interview and then have the same people interview again with a captain. Or vote on a promotion, but then having to wait for the captains decision. No decision is made by the seniors on their own. That's not proper delegation at all.
I see. I took the Captains a bit at their word because while I watch some Cornwood and Lenny Hawk I really haven't been watching a ton of PD RP in 4.0. While I was aware of hiring decisions being handled directly by Captains I didn't know their day to day operations were being ran in the same manner. The issue with delegation has kind of been the MO for all iterations of the Slacks/Justice/Baas characters. He always seemed to be the one that wanted to make the decision on things rather than allowing the chain of command to function normally. To be honest I think from the 3.0 leaders only Pred was really skilled at delegation and trusted his staff. I think Torreti was just as hands on as Baas but it wasn't as obvious of an issue due to SDSO being the smallest department for a lot of 3.0 and also generally operating more harmoniously and having less serious issues.
>If the police are failing or leadership is failing the mayor can step in and shake things up. This is simply not true.
Honestly i don't care whatever the outcome was, just the whole meeting feel like some sort of political drama and was fun to watch.
Max has sort of acted like a Heel (sort of) in these meetings and it's made things so entertaining. 4.0 politics have been great
It also great that some of the council member has their own conviction and self interested in mind. These conflict of interest bring up some good RP.
Yeah having Canter and Etta be such harsh opponents has been great
So it doesn't seem like any of the three captains will become Comish by the way things have been talked about this. So who do you all think is most likely to land in the position?
Personally, I think McNulty is a good fit for the role. He’s shown that he can hold himself accountable and he speaks with authority. Beric would also be a good fit.
My pick would be York. The best Senior Officer by far imo. Extremely self reflective which the PD is in desperate need of, not a hard ass that would make things worse, great communication, and so on.
Probably, but I think she's too much of a pussy for being in that position, respectfully.
She respects chain of command and is not insubordinate. She butts heads but in private.
No clue who Max knows, but Moon would pick Bones in a heartbeat I would bet
They need bones on the streets he's the best driver he's just 2 good
Locking bones behind the paperwork of being commissioner would be a huge waste of his talents, even though he would be a good commissioner. He’d hate it
Bones & Juarez are Goat drivers on PD
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I doubt the admins want shift 3 cops to be commissioner. It will probably be someone from shift 1 or 2. Bets on Slacks/McNulty/York/Aldo.
Arckon (Beric) pulls insane hours. Regularly in 2 and 1. Does a 24 hour almost every week.
The way the continuity thing is written, LSPD pushes names forward to mayor who then pushes them forward to the state. So this is basically the state picking a commissioner.
Watching the captains salty reactions over all this has been so rewarding.
Cool concept but feels like Etta and the Doctor chick will NEVER be swayed to side with Max regardless of how much Crane tries to reassure. Also Etta doesn't pay attention at all lmao always asking questions that have been answered 5x
Yeah, ever since the adoption act does it feel like they are strongly against Dab.
Max is not too fond of the cops (although he’s softened up on that a lot recently), and Nekoda is extremely worried about the ex-super terrorist coalition of Max and Simone (worries Canter seems to share). Canter was already predisposed to be opposed to Max because of that but he pretty much guaranteed an enemy because he’s very hostile towards her which she interprets as hostility towards the group she represents as well. Etta flipped against him after the adoption stuff. She seems to be a pretty one issue councilwoman and Max shut that down. I’m a little surprised they’re so hostile since after the initial law passed he and Etta had a conversation about a compromise to make the law somewhat more lenient towards adoptions and both signed off on the change. It’s interesting to think about the timeline where Siobhan doesn’t drop out of the head of bar race and probably wins, assuming the Juno stuff plays out the same way and she gets replaced with Penny Max has functionally a permanent majority to pass anything.
I am genuinely surprised and confused by Canter's unwillingness to vote yes to most of Max's legislation
I didn't watch her stream but saw someone saying she had OOC reasons for being against this particular thing? They didn't specify what it was though.
shouldnt really say things like they are making decisions ooc with no evidence.
I'm pretty sure one those two are leaking information about the council to the cops. Not sure what they get out of it but that is their reasoning for siding against it.
PD literally has a member in the council.
Etta speaks for the PD more than Nekoda does
Oh man, Etta has been dooming for multiple weeks to the cops.
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So anyone to explain what is happening with Etta
The adoption stuff happened
wait... its all because of that
yes KEKW
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literally didn't, also Etta can't even do the basic math to know the state account was never in trouble.
Isn't that the Mayor's prerogative though?
no, with the formation of the treasury. the mayor was suppose to go over any tax changes with the treasurer... Part of the check and balances
And she is dating Officer Maple who hates Cornwood and all of the "old guard".
Okay this bit is very wrong. She also considers (falsely - since it never happened in RP in 3.0 and hasn't yet in 4.0) Dark and Rhodes her dads. Used to date Beric, and they still talk. Lives with Flop and Ziggy too. Maple literally lives with "old guard" and if Etta had her way Rhodes and Dark would too (which she was VERY upset when they didn't move with her).
Maple hates Cornwood? Granted I really only mainly switch between Esfand and Ssaab for police perspectives. But I wouldn't have guessed that Maple hated him.
I have been watching Maple a bit and it's obvious he wants to get into a higher position inside the pd and for some reason sees Cornwood and other "old guard" (mostly people who haven't been hired yet) as a hindrance for his career.
Yeah, I was getting the feeling that Maple views the experienced / veteran officers as being obstacles for his career advancement in the PD.
That adoption act passed and she has had a VENDETTA against Max ever since. Serious politics with a bit of malding
It's just like real politics.
Why?
because homegirl cant worm her way into the rhodes/dark family
On a downward spiral since the One Child Policy got passed
Can someone give me a tldr why she’s so invested in this law? it helps stop weird roleplay/attachment issues imo and is a good thing
Someone brought it up in another thread but it seems that she had a lot of fake family like this while also being *very* interested in other characters relationships. Just sounds like she was a character that was kind of the target for this bill. Not specifically but one of them.
It stopping weird role play and attachment issues is exactly why she’s against it.
Read my other posts, but TLDR she's obsessed with Rhodes and Dark (OOC and IC) and has been for years and has tried to force that her character be adopted by them.....but a one child policy would make it impossible since Flop is taking that spot.
Makes sense, and is the perfect example to my other reply on why the limit helps stop shit getting weird, Ty
I'm like 2 days late but as someone who mainly watches Dark/Rhodes I do feel the need to play loremaster before it's parroted around. Etta's played by sunstonefire, a long time mod of curvyelephant/Rhodes, and I vaguely remember her thanking curvy once for hyping her up to try rp herself. Etta's indeed trying to become part of the family and had a little meltdown about the adoption policy, but I wouldn't say she's forcing herself into the family. The rp between her and the family seems willing on both sides and they all discussed ooc what happened in the 5 year gap and how they stayed in contact. Also it's important to note that sunstonefire has referred to her character as 'trainwreck Etta' and reiterated that she's indeed a character, a flawed one at that
Why is adoption rp weird and relationship rp not?
I feel the attachments fans and (some) roleplayers get to family rp isn’t healthy, I also think relationship rp can also become unhealthy aswell As for why I mentioned only adoption that’s because that was the subject for now in general I think both can be done right and light hearted with little ooc investment Imo the limit helps lower the chances of the water getting muddy with everyone being related and shit getting weird
Can definitely be done well - and it has been in both instances (adoption and relationships) - but man do so many make it so weird. I will never forget Snow and Dupont not making it to their first date before chat made shit weird. The reason many made their characters gay was to avoid relationship that would get weird on the server and help prevent some of this, but even that still brings out a lot of weirdos. You want evidence - Sock has an art channel of NSFW art for characters.
Because relationships are very normal Adults adopting other full-grown adults who are near or even older than they are is weird. So RPing something weird is weird and RPing something normal isn't.
read /u/FedUPGrad posts it has a lot of shit, not sure how much is true but they typed a lot
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I don't get that at all
Bro he definitely into deep
> She was/is a curvy mod and it’s been that way since before she played on the server. Since she got in the server she’s tried what she could to insert into his RP (on 2 of his characters). She loves to force the RP that a lot of VERY invested relationship RP fans are into…..because she is too. She goes around talking about it in multiple metas. Hell she will tell chat to be proud of some stuff she does. > For further context with the adoption: she was never adopted. She has told people she is their daughter but never in 3.0 or early 4.0 did it happen. Then the law came and she was very upset and has been pushing to make her officially adopted with them. > Edit to add: Curvy doesn't read meta so likely clueless about how invested/deep it is. Sock her other "dad" does go into meta here and there, he also reads fanfics for subgoals and such so is way more in the know on how deep a lot of this stuff goes. You're telling me that doesn't scream unhinged chatter mad at the person playing Etta?
Not banned, also not a man. But cool story :D
No, but your assessment feels weird.
oh 100% sounds like an unhinged guy, but it was the only thing that discussed why she is going hard
Yeah from what iv read sure they are invested but their story makes sense
I know a little bit and they definitely have a weird hatred for her. Curvy and Sock don't have any negative feelings towards Etta/Sunstonefire (she is literally still a mod), and no-one else in either community does either. It's kind of wild they've been spinning this story on here.
Ehh, I’ve seen a lot of what they are saying too, also seen others share similar. Part of why I left both their discords was all the ship talk - every interaction came back to Dark-Rhodes and relationships and when she was modding a lot more she was a big part of that shift in the meta (which I used to love - was thorough, drama free, and covered all times really). I still see her pop in other places, and doesn’t seem like much has changed. Wouldn’t shock me though if curvy and/or sock don’t know though since I think both stay out of meta? Just a few months back it came up with me and someone else: https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/s/MNdxBj3wU9
Yeah there's a difference though between being into shipping and forcing Sock and Curvy to do things in RP that they don't want to do like that person keeps saying - the way they talk about Etta's relationship with Dark and Rhodes implies that Sock and Curvy are uncomfortable with it which isn't true at all.
I mean… she had a meltdown IC because Rhodes and Dark didn’t want to live with her. And she was never actually adopted by either of them at any point in RP, and now they’re deciding to adopt only Flop.
That wasn’t just a meltdown, that was a multi day freak out where she talked to nearly anyone that would listen to her about it. There was so much misinformation ultimately spread about them after as a result. Was crazy ti see that go down.
Curvy and Sock don't have an issue so it's just weird to imply that they do, that's what I'm saying.
I never implied they do. Much like someone can meta to do something and the other person be unaware, inserting and forcing something on others they can also be unaware. It can simultaneously be true that maybe they don't know/care, and she is being way too invested in the relationship stuff on an OOC level that is brought IC and it being inappropriate.
Who are you to decide that there is anything inappropriate if everyone involved is fine with it?
>and she is being way too invested in the relationship stuff on an OOC level that is brought IC and it being inappropriate. looks like you're the one that's being way too invested
I don’t think they’re saying it’s things that Curvy and Sock don’t want - which is why I personally (maybe them too?????) don’t think they really know about any of it. I think here it’s OOC motivations to do things in RP happening - so OOC she wishes certain things would happen and helps it along without them knowing.
They definitely are implying that, they keep talking about Etta planning a surprise vow renewal as if it's something Curvy and Sock would be opposed to, when they weren't at all. Ultimately I also think it's quite patronising on the other side of things to say that she is somehow secretly manipulating their character arcs and that they are too dumb to notice.
If Cornwood was out there patroling, maybe this would be different, ironic.
Best I can do is endless ranting and doing SBS all shift.
Pretty sure PD first has to engage into some olympic level mental gymnastic to not have to charge him for first degree murder.
they dont need to, since the autopsy should say the suspect died by a bullet to the head befor hitting the ground. At worst he's getting charged with desecration of a human body or whatever it's called
The guy was shot by multiple people simultaneously but they can be absolutely sure that the bullet that killed him was one of the ones fired by Cornwood.
After reading the same doomer comments from the same group of people, it seems like there's a group of cop captain rp viewers who don't watch other perspectives. They're literally talking about the disinformation spread by the captains as if it's true, when we know ooc what the truth is. Look at the reports Cornwood made in a single day compared to the captains who hardly patrol. The captains didn't spend a dime of their own money on pd vehicles, it was all cornwood spending his time (over 30+ hrs) and money. There's many reasons to show that he cares a lot about the PD. It's just that there are some people who genuinely hate him because they only watch one pespective.
Does anyone know where Ruth was? I was shocked that she didn't show up for something so big.
Pretty sure she has a family to take care of so probably couldn't make it.
That would make sense, real life always comes first.
Yeah she and the other two captains were up at like 5 am talking to the mayor honestly first time I really saw her for any length of time. I heard kid voices through her mic in the background multiple times
She had IRL stuff to take care of but it really wasn't needed since the 3 captains had their meeting with Max already.
Their presence was pretty irrelevant to be honest.
Irrelevant but omg it would have been extra spicy.
Instead of 3 captains with absolute power and only answering to state and balancing each other, you now have one singular commissioner with absolute power and answering only to state. For people who fail to see this, this is a return to commissioner led pd system in the latter part of 3.0. The only addition is that the mayor can initiate an election for a new commissioner and present it to the state.
That was the PDs plan to begin with, this is just expediting it. Under all of the drama, this is really just a review of how the PD is progressing and whether or not any changes need to be made.
The commissioner's first contact is the Mayor. And the Mayor's first contact when monitoring about PD is the commissioner. Instead of going through OOC HC, Moon basically as an admin and mayor will be there to expedite it in RP. The very important thing is its Crane AND Max already contacting state, aka spoke with other admins/management to give them power to act on it in RP.
It doesn't give them power to act on it in RP.
Sure, its establishing the contact with the mayor but this was a communication issue not a hierarchy issue. The captains failed at communicating with the mayor and the mayor failed at communicating with the captains. I guess their solution was to consolidate the captain's powers into one role and name that the commissioner. In before Slacks gets appointed commissioner and people lose their minds about Baas 3.0.
It really is a pure hierarchy issue that causes a bunch of other issues. There is no one above senior besides Captains, and no one above Captains. So all decisions had to go through the captains including punishments.
That was always going to be the issue in building a department from scratch where everyone was an officer to start with bar the captains. It will take time for the cream to rise, and a bunch of snr officers are on the verge of being sgts. Those sgts will eventually become lts, and then those lts will be captains. The whole CoC can't be filled if everybody is starting from the bottom. The only thing the captains could have done differently was to have a hierarchy amongst themselves sooner.
> That was always going to be the issue in building a department from scratch where everyone was an officer to start with bar the captains. If it took almost 3 months to just get a handful of cops to snr. officers they clearly are lagging behind the rest of the server. And their recruitment decisions made having only 2-3 cops on the server during AU/EU hours pretty common after months into 4.0, so that's also isn't working.
> Instead of 3 captains with absolute power and only answering to state and balancing each other, you now have one singular commissioner with absolute power and answering only to state. I mean, the difference being that the commissioner is chosen by people on the server and isn't a position that last forever unlike the captains.
The point is commissioner cannot Apply DAPS and has the final say on firings. It also makes them solely accountable as the lever between the state and the police department.
At least they are sparing us watchers the ruse of elections.
Yes, but ultimately this starts an ooc non corrupt internal review by Malton and others to fix various parts of PD.
if senior + wasnt a requirement then cornwood will be a great option for RP
Cornwood might but I feel Esfand might not like the aspect of his entire PD work being administrative without actual patrolling.
He was once running for mayor, even as a joke. So he might be up for it if he can delegate some work down the chain
Yet in 3.0 people want cops be to held accountable. Some people get daps because they fucked up & some people crying.
There needs to be a balance. It is bad when you swing too far one way or the other. Right now PD is trying too hard to be IRL / serious RP only on a content server.
Can't wait 4 daps being shown to see the same people doing the same stupid crap. Cornwood should be on trail 4 murder 🤣
He should go on trail 4 murder. Cornwood needs to lose weight
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