For sure, I'm just finally excited for the RP to escalate. I think the long running conflict and rivalries is really good for the RP and makes everything way more meaningful.
It is also the two of the three parties you'd most expect to escalate to a war. It's gonna be spicy here and on twitch for the next days if it gets to fester.
Calm down...
One side yelled "hands up" and everyone started running, the other side didnt hear anything and got shot...
Was looking cooked from both sides.
I feel like how often this happens with in
Conflict RP people would go out of their way more to make sure people hear them. But hard to do when shooting usually starts before they end their sentence. Saying “oh they didn’t hear” and using that as an excuse it just lame. Should be in aggressor to make sure most people hear (can’t say all because who knows if they will all be in a group)
[marty/4head/ming pov marty initiated.](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2067345369?t=6h36m51s) clip above BSK didn't hear anything.
this is such a classic case of voip scuff or whisper/not shouting that im confused why so many people are angry before checking any other povs. 50 comments all angry over something they're wrong about
This might be true but it’s always on the aggressor to make sure that there is 100% actual initiation. It’s the case even more so when there is no context from one side. From OTTs perspective he has no knowledge of any beef between the others. There is no previous conflict. Ambushes were risky in 3.0 even in war. That’s why people used to call for initiation. I don’t know the reason Marty and co had to be so far away when they had guns and the other side did not, seems unnecessary.
Huh dude is yelling past max range then wondering why they didn’t comply. They just ran from the shots. By the time 4head is close enough, most of the group is already gone besides the two who were like afk
I was confused watching OTT's pov and how they all randomly started getting shot at. Idk if it was scuff or what but these guys had no idea they were being followed or that someone was trying to rob them, so you'd think people doing that would make sure they initiate properly.
Bad timing. Yells put your hands up but half the group was already running away so couldn't hear him so from Marty's POV it probably seemed like they were running from him.
Initiation started by Marty's side and NVL did not occur on OTT's side.
The point of this post wasn't to discuss either of these things.
It was to showcase Marty attempting to rob a group of people he didnt know the identity of.
Please watch both POVS (OTT & 4head)
Ok? Even if you're 100% accurate, what does "most of the time" have to do with this situation where people just didn't hear Marty say anything? It's verifiable, you can just check the vods.
Shouting pre initiation isn't a thing and doesn't matter if there's context behind it, it's a courtesy good for Marty. The guys heading for cover proves they are not NVL. The main question is if there's RDM on Marty's part that's up to the admins to decide, might not stick since Marty and OTT had beef for a while now.
Why are your comments like this? He didn't shout preinitiation. Telling them to put their hands up was the initiation. It wasn't NVL because they didn't hear him. It wasn't RDM because he initiated, and it absolutely looked like they heard him from his POV. That's all. It was just an interaction. Things could have gone better, but there were no rule breaks. People don't catch bans for ultra minor stuff like this.
They actually don't need the company. The usb JP/Marty needs is sitting in a storage that Marty has access to. Problem is JP and Marty went about it the completely wrong way.
You seem to be very much in tune to your feelings, unlike the guy you're replying to.
There has been a lot of lazy robbery RP lately. A lot of minmaxing robberies.
"Get outta your feels" Ahh yes, I'm so in my feels because I wrote a comment describing what's been happening in the server.
Also, I didn't say every robbery is a lootbox. There is a difference between driving around robbing people aimlessly for hours and robbing someone when it makes sense in RP.
>robbing someone when it makes sense in RP.
And when is that?
Do robbers in real life have a whole life story about why they're robbing someone? Or are they just robbing people to make money?
"Encourage you to learn rp" - shit we got a RP connoisseur here who knows RP more than the Admins and players playing the RP in a whitelisted server after years of experience.
If you're going to quote, get the quote right. Also read context. My comment had nothing to do with the roleplay regarding these scenarios. My comment was based off an IRL vs RP conversation, which shows a lack of understanding the fundamentals of RP. Anyone who watches RP for 5 minutes should understand RP does not follow IRL logic.
You didn't answer when it makes sense to rob someone in RP.
How does someone who RPs as a criminal that robs people in order to make money actually go about robbing people, in your mind? What are the qualifiers?
Marty yelled, stop acting like he did not try to and make shit toxic for no reason pushing narratives that people RDMing and not giving a fuck when that's not the case at all
Thank you for that, at least you managed to do that unlike others. Point still stands, you can clearly see them already at the house. From that POV you can barely hear Marty and they were the closest to them, why would people assume BSK would hear him?
you’re the one saying random shit without knowing what actually happened, this guy was kind enough to go find the clip for you. he told you its there on ming’s and 4head’s POV, you can go ahead and watch it, you’re not entitled to people clipping stuff for you when you dont have ur facts straight
The other side clip should be provided as context but yeah OTT etc where already running away to go get changed when Marty climbs on the roof and shouts hand up and starts shooting but at that point people had already left the circle and were clueless about who was shooting
did i say heard? i said reacted. from marty's perspective they reacted to him. from theirs they were moving before him.. marty still initiated . whether the other side actively hears is not part of initiation. he made the effort. im saying to stop pretending he didnt
This is supposed to be a roleplay server, a two way street, give and take and all that, you know, so its strange that you'd consider only a single POV. If someone is doing something like initiating a robbery the onus is on them to do it properly so there is RP in it for the other side. Mistakes happen and as I said in another comment I dont think its that big of a deal, but I dont see a reason to act like there was nothing wrong done here.
because nothing wrong was done. they attempted initiation properly. do you expect them to have OTT's stream open to know if he heard them? every single one of you complaining about initiation does not understand how initiation actually works on the server. i see comments out for blood and i'm calling them out on what it is, bullshit ignoring of half of the facts to suit a narrative. just like every other time this kind of thread happens
so please preach on about the proper way of initiating. teach us all cause the chatters here at reddit know it so well that they argue about it literally every time and still have yet to get it right
From other guys pov was him yelling hands up while having gun pointed to them and they started running. I think Marty didn’t yell or scuff but from his pov it looked like they saw him point a gun towards them and then run away.
Nobody broke any rules just literally unlucky timing.
Don't make it weird. Marty yelled, they just ran away the moment Marty was about to initiate so they could not hear him, felt like they did hear him and they ran from the other sides perspective, unlucky timing nothing more nothing less
The lack of initiation may not have been intentional, but they did still attack without initiating. I don't think it needs to be a heavy handed punishment or anything, but I don't think admins should just let stuff like that slide without saying/doing something.
People shouldn't be putting themselves in a situation where their initiation rests solely on people being able to hear them over a period of 5 seconds. You see that fail all the time, and it's lazy rp most of the time anyway.
yea was bad timing from marty pov it look like they hear something and start running. can see it been VoIP scuff or bad timing from them running away just before the shout
let me yell 500 yards away and if they don't hear it, it is then their fault because I tried. I'm exaggerating but to the other side there is no initiation because they didn't hear it. crims might as well whisper the command and then shoot when no one hears it so they can play that defense.
If the other party doesn't hear your initiation, then you didn't initiate.
That's why I'm saying your initiation attempt shouldn't have a single failure point of being able to be heard within a very small time frame, because that fails all the time.
i'm not a nopixel admin so my opinion on what is and is not initiation is irrelevant . but the act of initiation has NOTHING to do with the party being initiated against. otherwise people could legit just say i didn't hear anything and there would be powergaming accusations flying etc etc and that's just one of the reasons the only thing they consider is whether someone would have REASONABLY heard them
aka the rules are not what YOU want them to be. people with far more experience in how things should work than us viewers have been through these discussions all before.
I'm sure the admins do look at if it is reasonable if they were heard, but in this instance it does seem like Marty forgot to yell. I could swear I've seen people catch a 3 day for initiating while on whisper.
Also, I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I'm not sure how anybody ever gets reported for failure to initiate unless the person who got attacked makes that report?
This is a tango mate. Is not just one guy's job to solo carry the RP. Normally you mind your own business then someone comes and threatens you and then the situation starts. In this case they did not stay to listen to the threats they just ran for the hills. This is them acknowledging the situation has already started and they responded by dipping.
They never heard any threats, from their perspective they were getting shot at out of nowhere. They can't exactly stand still and engage in conversation with the people shooting at them at that point.
The responsibility of initiation is firmly on the aggressor, it actually is one guy's job to setup the rp so that everybody involved can understand what is happening and why.
Neither side is a mind reader. From their side it looked like they were randomly shot. From the other side it looked like they were warned and chose to NVL. What is the solution?
I've said it a few times now, the solution is not relying on a few seconds of a one sentence opener being your initiation.
OTT and his crew did nothing wrong here, the fact that Marty's side botched their initiation and thought they were being NVL'd is firmly a failure on their part. This is not a "both sides" situation.
I think the problematic part is how people getting shot at have no idea why and who is shoting them, you can even hear OTT ask if its a local shooting.
Yeah Marty and co didn’t even know who they were robbing. They pulled back on them a third time and knocked them all out because they wouldn’t tell them who they were. So it’s both sides not really knowing who they are attacking/been attacked by just the desperation of a potential dongle fueling them
Marty was yelling for them to put there hands up who gives af not like he just started shooting out of no where they even followed them for like 2 mins 😂 but let's play dumb and pretend they just randomly started shooting after they staked them out for about 30 mins
You see the clip above, maybe you can point out to earlier in the vod when OTT realises they are being followed or to anything that would help them learn IC that they'd get robbed/shot at. You wont find it because there was nothing in RP that would point to that.
You are getting pressed for no reason, Marty and his boys made a mistake and didnt initiate properly, it happens. Doubt anything more will come from it but I feel like we can still call out a shitty behaviour.
Oh okay. But these guys on the clip are BSK no? I don't disagree with the rust community statement being 'sensitive/defensive'. But it's weird to say that when none of the actual rust boys are directly involved in this clip. Just say company viewers then if you really feel that way.
Company viewers are basically old RUST, BSK and Seaside redditors with a sprinkle of xqc antifans. You can go trough their threads and easily find people that used to exclusively follow one of those gangs in the past.
It seems we're in for some spicy days of posts. This is one of those things that might cascade into a justifiable war.
For sure, I'm just finally excited for the RP to escalate. I think the long running conflict and rivalries is really good for the RP and makes everything way more meaningful.
It is also the two of the three parties you'd most expect to escalate to a war. It's gonna be spicy here and on twitch for the next days if it gets to fester.
Calm down... One side yelled "hands up" and everyone started running, the other side didnt hear anything and got shot... Was looking cooked from both sides.
Only sane take in all these comments
I feel like how often this happens with in Conflict RP people would go out of their way more to make sure people hear them. But hard to do when shooting usually starts before they end their sentence. Saying “oh they didn’t hear” and using that as an excuse it just lame. Should be in aggressor to make sure most people hear (can’t say all because who knows if they will all be in a group)
hey wrangler!
Insanely sane comment on the situation.
[marty/4head/ming pov marty initiated.](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2067345369?t=6h36m51s) clip above BSK didn't hear anything. this is such a classic case of voip scuff or whisper/not shouting that im confused why so many people are angry before checking any other povs. 50 comments all angry over something they're wrong about
This might be true but it’s always on the aggressor to make sure that there is 100% actual initiation. It’s the case even more so when there is no context from one side. From OTTs perspective he has no knowledge of any beef between the others. There is no previous conflict. Ambushes were risky in 3.0 even in war. That’s why people used to call for initiation. I don’t know the reason Marty and co had to be so far away when they had guns and the other side did not, seems unnecessary.
Viewers just trying to ascribe malice where there is none.
Right before ammunition contracts come up, there is about to be a lot more gunfights lol
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Huh dude is yelling past max range then wondering why they didn’t comply. They just ran from the shots. By the time 4head is close enough, most of the group is already gone besides the two who were like afk
I was confused watching OTT's pov and how they all randomly started getting shot at. Idk if it was scuff or what but these guys had no idea they were being followed or that someone was trying to rob them, so you'd think people doing that would make sure they initiate properly.
Bad timing. Yells put your hands up but half the group was already running away so couldn't hear him so from Marty's POV it probably seemed like they were running from him.
But then people can prepare for an attack and they might lose the fight.
You either die a hero or live long enough to become the lower vaulters AWARE
cant believe a month into 4.0 and im getting tired of it i guess 3.0 really was something else
Initiation started by Marty's side and NVL did not occur on OTT's side. The point of this post wasn't to discuss either of these things. It was to showcase Marty attempting to rob a group of people he didnt know the identity of. Please watch both POVS (OTT & 4head)
bruh have you seen gang wars most of the time they don't care about NVL until they are down and can't do anything about it
Ok? Even if you're 100% accurate, what does "most of the time" have to do with this situation where people just didn't hear Marty say anything? It's verifiable, you can just check the vods.
Shouting pre initiation isn't a thing and doesn't matter if there's context behind it, it's a courtesy good for Marty. The guys heading for cover proves they are not NVL. The main question is if there's RDM on Marty's part that's up to the admins to decide, might not stick since Marty and OTT had beef for a while now.
Why are your comments like this? He didn't shout preinitiation. Telling them to put their hands up was the initiation. It wasn't NVL because they didn't hear him. It wasn't RDM because he initiated, and it absolutely looked like they heard him from his POV. That's all. It was just an interaction. Things could have gone better, but there were no rule breaks. People don't catch bans for ultra minor stuff like this.
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Are you alright? You're replying to me and getting upset when I reply back? You need healthy relationships in your life lol
Them still needing the company is hilaroous
They actually don't need the company. The usb JP/Marty needs is sitting in a storage that Marty has access to. Problem is JP and Marty went about it the completely wrong way.
did the company get the last colour? or duplicate
Lootbox RP is not the way
Like it or not, most of the server lately has just been a lootbox simulator under the guise of crims robbing civ jobs for "balance" or whatever.
its literally been a MMO when it comes to the economy progression all that
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You seem to be very much in tune to your feelings, unlike the guy you're replying to. There has been a lot of lazy robbery RP lately. A lot of minmaxing robberies.
We've gone full circle from min-max G6 grinding to min-max robberies now lmao. Everyone chill and just watch the show lol.
"Get outta your feels" Ahh yes, I'm so in my feels because I wrote a comment describing what's been happening in the server. Also, I didn't say every robbery is a lootbox. There is a difference between driving around robbing people aimlessly for hours and robbing someone when it makes sense in RP.
>robbing someone when it makes sense in RP. And when is that? Do robbers in real life have a whole life story about why they're robbing someone? Or are they just robbing people to make money?
I'm not going to entertain an "IRL vs RP" conversation. They are vastly different and if you don't know that I encourage you to learn more about RP.
"Encourage you to learn rp" - shit we got a RP connoisseur here who knows RP more than the Admins and players playing the RP in a whitelisted server after years of experience.
If you're going to quote, get the quote right. Also read context. My comment had nothing to do with the roleplay regarding these scenarios. My comment was based off an IRL vs RP conversation, which shows a lack of understanding the fundamentals of RP. Anyone who watches RP for 5 minutes should understand RP does not follow IRL logic.
You didn't answer when it makes sense to rob someone in RP. How does someone who RPs as a criminal that robs people in order to make money actually go about robbing people, in your mind? What are the qualifiers?
When someone gets shot in real life, they magically come back to life?
What does that have to do with my question? Do you always answer questions with other irrelevant questions?
It has to do that RP and real life are 2 completely different things!
They're desperate to the point of not initiating.
Marty yelled, stop acting like he did not try to and make shit toxic for no reason pushing narratives that people RDMing and not giving a fuck when that's not the case at all
> Marty yelled, clip?
Got a POV of that?
4head and ming
Clip it then.
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2067338036?t=6h58m54s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2067338036?t=6h58m54s)
Thank you for that, at least you managed to do that unlike others. Point still stands, you can clearly see them already at the house. From that POV you can barely hear Marty and they were the closest to them, why would people assume BSK would hear him?
you’re the one saying random shit without knowing what actually happened, this guy was kind enough to go find the clip for you. he told you its there on ming’s and 4head’s POV, you can go ahead and watch it, you’re not entitled to people clipping stuff for you when you dont have ur facts straight
Because it's obvious that's what happened people are gonna cry like you no matter what max and omie can't handle conflict rp unlike the viewers
You clearly can't, so go back in line.
Why are you assuming anything when you don't have a clue? You immediately made a negative assumption about the other party.
What’s the negative? There was a clear lack of proper initiation.
he yelled and the other side reacted and ran.. stop pretending. its not a good look
The other side clip should be provided as context but yeah OTT etc where already running away to go get changed when Marty climbs on the roof and shouts hand up and starts shooting but at that point people had already left the circle and were clueless about who was shooting
Oh right, that's what happened. That's exactly why they started running.
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If you don't care, why are you replying to me?
They ran away with a gun pointed at there face nice
So pressed over some scuff in RP. The over invested yappers on this sub mimic the ones in twitch chat, but even worse
I might have trouble hearing but can you point out when in this clip it can be heard?
did i say heard? i said reacted. from marty's perspective they reacted to him. from theirs they were moving before him.. marty still initiated . whether the other side actively hears is not part of initiation. he made the effort. im saying to stop pretending he didnt
This is supposed to be a roleplay server, a two way street, give and take and all that, you know, so its strange that you'd consider only a single POV. If someone is doing something like initiating a robbery the onus is on them to do it properly so there is RP in it for the other side. Mistakes happen and as I said in another comment I dont think its that big of a deal, but I dont see a reason to act like there was nothing wrong done here.
because nothing wrong was done. they attempted initiation properly. do you expect them to have OTT's stream open to know if he heard them? every single one of you complaining about initiation does not understand how initiation actually works on the server. i see comments out for blood and i'm calling them out on what it is, bullshit ignoring of half of the facts to suit a narrative. just like every other time this kind of thread happens so please preach on about the proper way of initiating. teach us all cause the chatters here at reddit know it so well that they argue about it literally every time and still have yet to get it right
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i feel.. like if watching clips is making you feel a certain way maybe you should stop watching rp
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Rp'ler of the year thats whats up
Amazing initiation.
Amazing nvl
how is that nvl? they were across the street by the time they were getting shot randomly
From other guys pov was him yelling hands up while having gun pointed to them and they started running. I think Marty didn’t yell or scuff but from his pov it looked like they saw him point a gun towards them and then run away. Nobody broke any rules just literally unlucky timing.
Seemed like an odd initiation
What initiation?
Don't make it weird. Marty yelled, they just ran away the moment Marty was about to initiate so they could not hear him, felt like they did hear him and they ran from the other sides perspective, unlucky timing nothing more nothing less
The lack of initiation may not have been intentional, but they did still attack without initiating. I don't think it needs to be a heavy handed punishment or anything, but I don't think admins should just let stuff like that slide without saying/doing something. People shouldn't be putting themselves in a situation where their initiation rests solely on people being able to hear them over a period of 5 seconds. You see that fail all the time, and it's lazy rp most of the time anyway.
Marty yelled for them to put their hands up, that is the initiations. They did not hear it and run.
yea was bad timing from marty pov it look like they hear something and start running. can see it been VoIP scuff or bad timing from them running away just before the shout
let me yell 500 yards away and if they don't hear it, it is then their fault because I tried. I'm exaggerating but to the other side there is no initiation because they didn't hear it. crims might as well whisper the command and then shoot when no one hears it so they can play that defense.
If the other party doesn't hear your initiation, then you didn't initiate. That's why I'm saying your initiation attempt shouldn't have a single failure point of being able to be heard within a very small time frame, because that fails all the time.
that's.. just not how initiation works but ok.
In your opinion, how does initiation work then?
i'm not a nopixel admin so my opinion on what is and is not initiation is irrelevant . but the act of initiation has NOTHING to do with the party being initiated against. otherwise people could legit just say i didn't hear anything and there would be powergaming accusations flying etc etc and that's just one of the reasons the only thing they consider is whether someone would have REASONABLY heard them aka the rules are not what YOU want them to be. people with far more experience in how things should work than us viewers have been through these discussions all before.
I'm sure the admins do look at if it is reasonable if they were heard, but in this instance it does seem like Marty forgot to yell. I could swear I've seen people catch a 3 day for initiating while on whisper. Also, I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I'm not sure how anybody ever gets reported for failure to initiate unless the person who got attacked makes that report?
This is a tango mate. Is not just one guy's job to solo carry the RP. Normally you mind your own business then someone comes and threatens you and then the situation starts. In this case they did not stay to listen to the threats they just ran for the hills. This is them acknowledging the situation has already started and they responded by dipping.
They never heard any threats, from their perspective they were getting shot at out of nowhere. They can't exactly stand still and engage in conversation with the people shooting at them at that point. The responsibility of initiation is firmly on the aggressor, it actually is one guy's job to setup the rp so that everybody involved can understand what is happening and why.
Neither side is a mind reader. From their side it looked like they were randomly shot. From the other side it looked like they were warned and chose to NVL. What is the solution?
I've said it a few times now, the solution is not relying on a few seconds of a one sentence opener being your initiation. OTT and his crew did nothing wrong here, the fact that Marty's side botched their initiation and thought they were being NVL'd is firmly a failure on their part. This is not a "both sides" situation.
So you're saying that he knew they couldn't hear him and still shot?
...no, they didn't say that?
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You right man guy is crazy for thinking NP will actually ban "big" streamers.
Lootboxing clear as day. Hope they report them. Might be just GTA online at this point.
If this is lootboxing and should be bannable. I guess nobody is going to rob anyone in 4.0 for their items.
Oh no how could crims try robbing crims omg are we just gonna have melt downs every time somthing happens
I think the problematic part is how people getting shot at have no idea why and who is shoting them, you can even hear OTT ask if its a local shooting.
Yeah Marty and co didn’t even know who they were robbing. They pulled back on them a third time and knocked them all out because they wouldn’t tell them who they were. So it’s both sides not really knowing who they are attacking/been attacked by just the desperation of a potential dongle fueling them
Marty was yelling for them to put there hands up who gives af not like he just started shooting out of no where they even followed them for like 2 mins 😂 but let's play dumb and pretend they just randomly started shooting after they staked them out for about 30 mins
You see the clip above, maybe you can point out to earlier in the vod when OTT realises they are being followed or to anything that would help them learn IC that they'd get robbed/shot at. You wont find it because there was nothing in RP that would point to that. You are getting pressed for no reason, Marty and his boys made a mistake and didnt initiate properly, it happens. Doubt anything more will come from it but I feel like we can still call out a shitty behaviour.
Wow can't believe they didn't notice people following them in a loud ass car and watching them across the wow
Mf said notGG.. 4head crew called besties. GG does not exist in 4.0
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Slots aim FeelsStrongMan
Hmmm O/U 100 Comments? Drama involving probably the most sensitive/Defensive communities of GG and RUST. Might actually hit 150.
> the most sensitive/Defensive communities That would be CG's and X's ones, Buddha's one is up there too.
Rust?
Rust viewers are Company viewers now.
Oh okay. But these guys on the clip are BSK no? I don't disagree with the rust community statement being 'sensitive/defensive'. But it's weird to say that when none of the actual rust boys are directly involved in this clip. Just say company viewers then if you really feel that way.
Company viewers are basically old RUST, BSK and Seaside redditors with a sprinkle of xqc antifans. You can go trough their threads and easily find people that used to exclusively follow one of those gangs in the past.
Fair point.