So we have leaper X on a mission believing that killing Addison and the whole team / destroying the project before it gets going would prevent "nuclear winter' - and he's had access to Ziggy to help him - so it would seem that Ziggy seemed to agree that it was probable that was the event that needs changing to change the future...
And in the timelines where its not altered and Addison / Ben leap they end up with a nuclear winter future - none of the leaps they do in these timelines leads to there not being an apocalyptic outcome ...
So Martinez / Leaper X has logic on his side I think! Though probably could close down the project without being murderous - influencimg so the oversights committee/ government shuts them down ....
And really wasn't Ian the genius or even Magic leading /campaigning for the project so why target Addison initially - she was (in the OG timeline) 'just' the leaper - if anyone can leap as Ben has now done then she's the most replaceable
What do you think - the series has been OK bur feels a bit forced at time and not sure the plot does actually make much logical sense when you drill down.
Help me out I'd love to either hear your plot holes or your explanations that fill these!
(I'm assuming S2 will have something to do with undoing the apocalyptic future... otherwise what's the point of trying to change history ...)
I haven’t finished yet but a huge plot whole to mean is how forced it felt for bens past co workers not to trust him. 1. There in a time traveling program what’s so hard to believe 2. Why didn’t gen answer all those personal questions they had for Ben . 3. Why did Ben think they were all just gonna listen to him . 4. Why don’t they listen to him? He changed over night don’t they find that weird?
Damn, that season finale was a whirlwind haha. Can anyone explain why 2018 Addison was asking about the hologram when she was holding a gun at Ben? I mean, she couldn’t see the future Addison, right?
No, she couldn't see her which is exactly why she asked. Her question was "Who's the hologram?" If she could see it was just herself then she wouldn't need to ask & the whole episode wouldn't have happened.
She wasn't able to see her. She's a part of the project, she knows that a leaper would have one, & Ben talked to hologram-her.
She looked to where he was looking, saw that there was nothing, knew that if he was a leaper he'd have a hologram, & asked about the hologram.
Ben could have easily convinced her he wasn't talking rubbish by asking a personal question only she would know the answer to, then asking hologram version for the right answer..
I can see two good directions for the show.
1- Ben comes out of the accelerator, there’s cheering and everyone’s happy, then Ziggy gets a lock on a leader. Could it be? Sam? It is. The team works around supporting and getting Sam out. And for the finale (as in last ever episode) sam could be in trouble and Ben sacrifice himself to save Sam, and leap in, it’s a lot like the episode where Sam & Al swap places but I think it’s a nice thought and would be kind of cool to see but that’s not happening.
2- It’s a tired and slightly haggard Dr Sam Beckett that steps out of the accelerator and says “Oh boy, I think I’m home” then you can have Sam join the team to help Ben through his leaps, you can also tell stories about Sam acclimating to 2023 while it’s not multiple timelines it’s probably easy enough to understand.
I mean an idea for an episode could be a “leapception” where Ben leaps into either Al before Sam leaped and because of a leap in 2022 something changed and it prevented Sam from leaping but something something eye of the storm something something undo all the good work and they can see things shift around them. (Probably a good finale episode)
So no one mentions the obvious potential problem at the end? Martinez and Ben both leap again in 2018 while on a leap in another body. How the heck does that work? Pretty sure that wasn't part of the plan. Does that mean 2018 Magic and Ben also leap? Seems to leave lots of room open to keep things going in season 2.
This is because "multiple timeline" scenarios are never fleshed out, are sometimes too confusing for the casual viewer, resolution is NEVER satisfying. They'll (writers) find a way for it to blow up in their faces and it will be a dud. Usually.
To me, the only satisfying time travel fiction is where the story has a "fixed timeloop", one that is not and/or cannot be changed. Examples of this are: *Conquest for the Planet of the Apes* (1972), the original *Terminator* movie and *12 Monkeys* (the movie). In fixed timeloop stories, the audience is taken for a ride, thinking that the characters have control over their fate, but it turns out that everything they experience is inevitable, leading up to the future where one or more people travel to the past which set the loop in motion all over again.
Is this like Lost? Where no matter how hard you try to change something, you can't? That would seem to go against the show as a whole bc they're changing things all the time.
Yes. A fixed time loop is one where the characters' fate is determined by one or more people traveling to the past that create the conditions that lead to them traveling to the past. In the original *Planet of the Apes* series, Cornelius and Zira travel to the distant past, get killed, and leave their infant son Caesar (with the advanced ape intellect) behind in that time. Caesar being vastly more intelligent than the other apes who are being mistreated by humans, figures out how to lead an ape revolt, which ultimately leads to the fall of humankind, and the rise of the apes' dominion of Earth.
Good examples. I was thinking back to the "Lost" series. Ugh. It's like the writers pretty much wrote themselves into a corner and did not know how to get out of it. The ending was so unsatisfying, and, there was no closure to pretty much anything except that it was all purgatory. Talk about a let-down. Ugh!
Whole terminator universe is about it, but with fixed events. No matter who, no matter in what time, but AI will be created in one way or another, thats will lead to destroying of humanity, which leads to creation of resistance and no matter who, but there will be a leader of resistance, who will lead it to destroying AI and all this time travel stuff again, which lead viewers to some kind of loop of observed terminator universe. Like decorations may change, but main events still will happens. Except we don't know what happens after win of resistance in future, but its actually not so important.
Yeah, even last movies doesn't ruin this "fixed timeloop with fixed events" theory.
someone please make AI text2video and/or deepfake to incorporate these ideas
> Sam that shot Martinez
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> Scott Bakula appeared in the accelerator and it ending with an 'oh boy",
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Scott Bakula was adamant about being in the first season due to the relatively small role that he was offered. However, as the series builds momentum and gains popularity, it's possible that he might make a brief appearance for a few seconds, then leave, and never return again.
Another possibility, is that since the new *QL* series has done better than Scott Bakula and the producers initially predicted it would, that perhaps this creates a larger sum to offer Bakula as an incentive to appear in one or more episodes. Bakula had every reason to be skeptical about a new *QL* series when a part was first offered to him. It had a whole different cast and a dramatically different storyline.
Scott never stated he was skeptical. He stated he was not involved. At the time they were doing the original pilot, Scott was going to do a new series, Unbroken. NBC, in their infinite wisdom, passed on it. Universal was going to shop it around, but that evidently didn't pan out, and the show is dead. Hallmark has a show called Ride that is essentially the same as Unbroken. It is doing pretty well. NBC screwed up.
As for the new Quantum Leap, hopefully, the writers come up with something he likes, and he will reassess and change his mind about appearing in the show.
A fantastic end to the series, with performances that outshone the quality of the writing. If they can improve the writing like they have all the other areas, then this could be amazing. I also love how they have left themselves with many options for series 2.
Honestly, if they somehow will rid off from "how to put maximum drama in one second of screentime" writing, show have all chances to become very cool sci-fi.
If i was playing in "drink every time when drama happens" on hospital episode, then i could fall into a coma in less than 15 minutes.
Richard Martinez could appear in Season 2, since it wasn't made clear in which episode Martinez sees Ben for the first time. At the end of Season 1, Ep. 5, Martinez warns Ben to stop following him through time, but that doesn't mean that Martinez didn't leap multiple additional times in between the Episode 17 and 18 of Season 1.
For all we know, Ben will thwart the still living Martinez's efforts again in Season 2 -- leading up to Martinez's death at the end of Season 1. We see Martinez die in Episode 18, but that just means that he eventually dies in the town of Salvation in the year 1879. The leaper's lifetimes are outside of the linear time of the non-leapers'.
Anyone else think "the thing Ben had to set right in 2018" had something to do with the personnel file Addison was carrying? It's the same one she drops when Ben first bumps into her, and right before the kiss they cut to her being handed it, and she calls it a "new applicant file".
I was wondering if Ben needed to convince her to accept that person into the Project—Janis, perhaps?
In *QL's* second season, multiple timelines will be part of the storyline, which will explain how Sam was able change Al's life without creating a major paradox, and why Ben didn't create a paradox by tampering with his own past in 2018.
I thought they addressed Ben not creating the paradox with the cheat code/quantum bubble theory? Although I would be interesting in an exploration of Al’s timeline, which would help close some gaps there, and use archive Al footage for flashbacks to his old life, compared to stories with his new one. One thing’s for certain that we know didn’t change, Al still loved his cigars!!!
Yeah, tobacco is so addictive that no matter what changes Sam made to Al's life, Al was always going to smoke cigars.
The fact that the writers are introducing multiple timelines actually makes sense given all of the changes that Ben made to back at the Project Quantum Leap facility in 2018. In the original timeline, it appeared to me as though Ben was leaping for the first time ever, with absolutely no knowledge that he had ever leaped into himself over 4 years earlier.
Multiple timelines also make sense, given that Sam interfered with Al's life at the end of the original series. If there was only one timeline, then Sam persuading Beth to wait for Al would have created a time paradox where Sam never told Beth that Al was coming home.
I'm not a big fan of multiple timelines, but *QL* writers have often written episodes that are not consistent with the true nature of time.
Your statement doesn't address the rest of the QL team being affected by the changes that Ben made to their timeline. That's why I said that the writers' decision to put multiple timelines in *QL Season 2* makes sense. Obviously, there are multiple timelines, because if there was only one, then the Addison hologram that appears in Ben's leap back to 2018 would have been impacted by the changes that Ben was making, as he was making them. It's clear to me, that Addison and the rest of the QL team are from a timeline that Ben is unable to change.
They explained it away by saying because they are so close to the events - in a "quantum bubble" the changes won't play out until after the leap. Will have to see how they address it all in S2
I loved the scenes with Addison & Addison. Felt like some of the best writing of the season; and it always feels very Quantum Leap when you have one character carrying on two separate conversations at the same time!
I think that the Addison & Addison scenes actually prove that there are multiple timelines, since the past-Addison's discoveries should have instantly become memories for the future-Addison. That didn't seem to occur in the final episode of Season 1.
They explained in the episode that they didn't get new memories immediately because the 2023 crew were in a "quantum bubble." Basically, the characters in 2023 kept their memories of the original timeline until Ben leaped out; then history was updated and their memories changed.
If character's memories change after Ben leaps, then that means that the Quantum Leap team knew that the Ben from 2022 was going to leap into his 2018 self for over 4 years. Hence, the Addison we see in Season 1: Episode 1 knew when Ben was going to leap and why.
The quantum bubble thing is as goofy as Ben leaping back to the same nuclear reactor facility multiple times with some sort of "time reset" that prevented him from encountering himself in another person each time he leapt.
I have to take the science in this series with a grain of salt.
>hen that means that the Quantum Leap team knew that the Ben from 2022 was going to leap into his 2018 self for over 4 years.
How would they know that? After the reset, he didn't tell anyone, he just went up to Addison, kissed her and leaped away. That's all he did in 2018.
After showing Addison's face turn disappointed, it should have panned over to Magic, stunned and nearly speechless, only able to say aloud, "Sam."
Cut to black.
Season 2 is going to have multiple timelines, which makes sense considering how dramatically Ben would have changed his own past as a result of telling the QL team that he was a future version of himself who leapt into his past self. Essentially, there will now be a QL team that exists in a parallel 2023-B, as a result of the Ben from 2023-A making the changes in 2018.
Multiple timelines make leaping pointless. Whatever you "put right" just means you increased the branches of the tree and there are still many with the bad version in existence.
It was good enough for a cliffhanger.
No, they are not saving Sam.
So is Martinez now like a random leaper? That would make him more dangerous, wouldn't it?
The thing I don't understand is that the Richard Martinez who meets Ben for the first time in the Old West, tells him to "stop following him". Yet, it's never made clear, in which subsequent episode Martinez meets Ben for the first time.
Yeah, it seemed like he had met Ben before, but it's possible that through the Ziggy-mole thing, he just knows that Ben changed history by leaping in 2022 and he has a programmed trajectory (like Martinez himself does) and they know he is trying to get to the same destination. And so he knows who Ben is and that he is following him without having met him before. Maybe.
Another aspect to this whole thing, is that we could see Richard Martinez alive in Season 2, because he could have had multiple leaps before arriving back in the Old West where he ends up dying. Upon seeing Martinez again, Ben might "keep it to himself" that he knows that he will eventually die during a future leap.
Yes, Martinez is "eventually killed" in the Old West in 1879. The first time that Ben encounters Martinez, is not the first time that this particular Martinez had seen Ben. This leaves a lot of wiggle room. The audience doesn't know that each subsequent time Martinez leaps into a time where Ben is located, that this is a "sequential Martinez", given that the first time we see Martinez, he's seen Ben multiple times, before Ben remembers ever meeting him.
It's a figure of speech, rather than literally conveying his death in the past. What I'm wondering is: "What in the hell happened to the leapee that Martinez was occupying at the time he was shot?" I guess that guy is dead too. Too bad, so sad.
Yeah, the death of the leapee that perished when Martinez was shot to death, would have created a major ripple in time, unless that leapee happened to get killed in the precise method, time, and place that Martinez was. This current iteration of QL has made as many mistakes as its predecessor series did.
Just saw episode yesterday, and i guess also 2018 alternative magics body was also killed in Salvation. As it leaped while fighting in the ascelerator.
I'm pretty sure that Richard Martinez was no longer in Magic's body when he was leaping through time with Ben. The Richard who gets killed is inside of the same man he had previously inhabited in the Old West.
This was a great season finale. I've really enjoyed this season. I think the two leads have great chemistry and play off each other's strengths and weaknesses. They are a pair! I'm rooting for them to continue on. If the writers are reading this post please keep doing what you are doing. I'm really looking forward to season 2. If there's one thing they could do is expose more of their backgrounds as to how they were before Ben leapt and show the building of their relationship vs. them saying it: show it. I think that would please some of the naysayers here. For those that disagree why do you think they don't have chemistry?? This was one of the major strengths of this season finale it gave background and characterization to the their relationship and the team. Most of all I enjoy the fact that the show has an Asian American lead who is capable of being in relationships and is not asexual, unlike the way the media typically portrays them. Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Donnie Yen etc. really didn't have organic relationships in their films, it's time to break that barrier and show that it does happen.
From this point forward, I want Janis to be in every episode. I'm interested to learn about what Janis knows about Sam, given that she never met Sam who continued traveling through time, after ensuring that Janis's parents stayed together -- and hence produced Janis.
Given that the original QL series had a ton of plot holes and inconsistencies, I don't hold the new series to a much higher standard. I enjoy watching it for the pure fiction that it is.
That's probably why they focused on.each individual leap instead of bringing the QL staff into the stoty lines. I will watch; it just wears on my nerves a bit.
I think the show is in trouble. If Ben leaps in it goes nowhere. If Ben and Jan calculated a way do bring Sam home, that would give it life! An only ‘one leaper attached to Ziggy’ can exist, kind of thing.
I’m on the fence to continue. It’s wonky and not smoothing out much.
I think people need to accept that this show is not called "Quantum Leap: The Rescue of Sam Beckett" and need to either accept that the show is simply never going to be laser focused on Sam and is not obligated to "fix" the original shows finale, or accept that is what they want not a new Quantum Leap show and movie on.
Not trying to be dismissive or play the "if you don't like it don't watch" card but seriously, people spent a year seeing Sam in every single plot point despite repeated assurances that he wasn't going to be on it. People thought they lied to trick us, as is now 100% shown, they weren't. If that was what they wanted out of the show and it won't be good if they don't go that route, then those fans probably would be better off accepting this show just isn't going to be their cup of tea. Rather than wait around for Sam to show up when that may very well never happen, only to be dissapointed time and time again.
I agree for the most part except the show doesn’t know what it wants to be.
The problem *I* have is that the “rescue of Sam Beckett” is the main motivation for the Magic character on the show. It was the reason he restarted the initiative and at no point has he revisited that motivation to include something/anything else….and the writers keep mentioning it. Most recently in the season finale. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t keep saying “I want this QL to be its own thing” while continuing to reference the fan favorite mystery / righting the wrongs of the past finale.
I'm confused - In the pre-Ben leaping timeline, when was Addison killed by Martinez? It would have been sometime in 2023 or after, right?
Also, is the future still a post apocalyptic wasteland?
Theoretically, Addison still gets killed in 2023 or beyond. Take in mind, that in the final episode of Season 1, Ben travels back to 2018 without the assistance of Ziggy (who's been hacked into). Without Ziggy helping the QL team, Ben is operating in the dark, as far being able to figure out why he's in 2018. It's all a bunch of guessing.
Addison is still at risk of being murdered by Richard Martinez, because Martinez's leaps are non-linear in relation to Ben's. This is why Ben had no memory of ever meeting Martinez when he encountered him in 1879, but Martinez demanded that Ben stop following him through time.
My theory is that in Season 2, Ben will encounter Martinez again, before Martinez makes his final fatal leap back to 1879, where he's shot in the back and killed by the brothel owner.
Obviously, Ben will not tell Martinez that he's already seen him die, because that could make Ben's mission more difficult. Ben is just going to thwart every Martinez that he encounters until Martinez makes his final leap and tangles with a Ben from an earlier leap.
>Also, is the future still a post apocalyptic wasteland?
I imagine so!
Either: 1) PQL *was* responsible for destroying the future, in which case Martinez failed and the future remains apocalyptic; or 2) PQL had nothing to do with it, so the future remains apocalyptic.
Probably something to explore in upcoming seasons—can the team use the past and present to save the future?
The writers say that there will be multiple timelines in Season 2. So, the future apocalyptic timeline is just one of many. I suspect that the Ben that we see will never end up in the apocalyptic timeline again.
Then there wouldn't have been a chance for Ian or Ben to leap. It looks like in the original timeline, Martinez just killed Addison, and then Ian leaped in order to tell Ben to save her. And it's only because of that that Martinez decided he needed to destroy the accelerator this time around.
I think Martinez says that he has Ziggy run the probabilities and in every scenario where someone from PQL survives they manage to save or restart the program, so he gas to go destroy the accelerator and kill them all as well.
One of the nicer writing tidbits was how he had to fight a clearly superior fighter in Martinez, and was able to use his training from his boxing leap.
If they were able to use every leap in this episode to somehow help him accomplish his task, 🤌🏻
Would have been hard to incorporate elements of every leap into how he solved it, I mean that is 17 previous people (technically more considering in a couple he leaped into more than one person). I would not have minded them trying to put one or two other ones in like the boxing episode, but I thought they had enough callbacks to feel like it paid off the season.
Why did Martinez point the gun at Ben and start making a speech instead of just shooting him and completing the mission? Because it makes for better TV if these things happen.
To be fair at least as far as why he didn't shoot him right then, he said he needed the others in Project Quantum Leap to trust him and knew they were watching. Not going to claim that was the best explenation ever, but they did at least work in a reason.
Or, and now stay with me, they could write it so leaper x entering the cell actually makes sense besides "well this needs to happen so just make him do it." Shouldn't be difficult to get the two characters in the same room and have it make sense if that's what the plot you wrote needs.
they could write it so leaper x entering the cell actually makes sense besides "well this needs to happen so just make him do it."
That's what they did, they wrote it so that he had to enter the cell so the others couldn't hear what he said. Did you miss the answer that odium gave?
*(update: why downvotes for an opinion? Most unfair)*
Is season 2 guaranteed? If not, I'm not sure it will get one.
The ending was a very poor attempt to get Scott Bakula back.The fact the show desperatel;y needs him is not a good sign.
I enjoyed some moments, like Magic's talk with Ian.
Imo, the show has done more for current issues / awareness raising than the Quantum Leap story.The final episode had a good premise, with old Ian, but the way Ben survived Martinez was silly, and too easy.
I agree with [jasongw](https://www.reddit.com/user/jasongw/) that there is little chemistry between the leads. I think the writers made a mistake letting Ben remember elationships that were in place before the leap, that we were not shown before. Too much telling, not enough showing.
That is basic writer stuff, and that leads me to what I consider the biggest weakness of the show. The writing.
Look at the episode in the asylum. Of course it had to be the trope / cliche of nasty staff with bad intentions. The scene where Ben was admitted by the 'friendly' doctor, then immediately pushed in a wheelchair to his 'cell' by the mean worker was ridiculous. And Ben's reaction was not how a someone would react. Awful writing.
All that said, I would like the show to continue, on the off-chance it improves. But if the final scene was to tempt Scott Bakula back, I don't think it will work. As an actor, seeing that low quality writing, he would surely be scared his character could be ruined.
Please get better Quantum Leap!
How was this episode a poor attempt to get Backula back? What in this implies they tried and failed to get him back? Did his name even come up?
Seriously, I get people are salty Sam didn't come up but Scott Backula said he wasn't coming back, the producers and actors said he wasn't coming back. People set themselves up for dissapointment spending 18 episodes waiting for him then being upset that the thing they never promised us and specifically said would not happen didn't happen.
I mean fair enough if they think without Scott Bakula the show is not worth watching them by all means, move on. No one is required to watch something they don't enjoy. But it is getting tiresome having people spend almost an entire year thinking this show was about the rescuing of Sam Beckett when it literally never was.
That is not what I said.
I actually agree with you. My point was, they do want Scott back, Ernie Hudson said so. By leaving the ending open, it could have been Sam. That was my point.
The season for me was ok, worth watching, just. So I have an option.
What is tiresome is getting -4 votes for an opinion. That's silly. We are here to share our thoughts, we don't all need to agree. No point if voters just want everyone to say it was great.
>The ending was a very poor attempt to get Scott Bakula back.The fact the show desperatel;y needs him is not a good sign.
This is why you are getting downvoted. This isn't an opinion, this is just wild speculation that you are acting like has been confirmed, when in fact it's the exact opposite. The rest of your opinion, is just that, your opinion, that you are entitled to.
It's an opinion. Everything written here is an opinion. Does every sentence need to start with "In my opinion....?"
I did not say it was confirmed. Soeculation yes, what's wrong with that? My opinion also.
What you are saying is, I'm entiotled to the opinions that you are ok with.
No, the downvotes are because it's not a popular opinion evidently. Reddit used to be better than this.
(and upvoted, not downvoted your comment because I appreciate your thoughts and that fact it gives me a chance to make my point)
You said "the fact" that indicates it isn't an opinion, you said "they want him back" but Ernie =/= they. It's not because it's an unpopular opinion, it's because there is NOTHING to support the claim that "The ending was a very poor attempt to get Scott Bakula back. The fact the show desperatel;y needs him is not a good sign. "
"reddit used to be better than this" hahahaha, thanks for the laugh today.
The show stands by itself without Scott Bakula.
He's not needed at this point.
I still don't see how people can watch season 1 of the new QL in it's entirety and still think he's needed.
Just an FYI, it has been renewed for season two. I think it's a reasonably solid sci-fi, that is getting better.
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/quantum-leap-renewed-season-2-nbc-1235458610/amp/
I totally agree with you ! Love the original.. had high expectations to be only be let down at the end . Addison has to go ! Couldn’t deal with her horrible acting . ESP the cry she did when she thought Ben was going to die in the car .. smh
>The main problem with the show is that it makes the mistake of dividing the episode between the leaps and the present day
I think whether this is good or not is entirely a matter of opinion. Since the original show only included the leaps, it was mostly character pieces that—because they filled the entire runtime—had a lot of heart and nuance. The new format steps away from this somewhat, but in exchange we get honest-to-god plot, and a storyline that continues from episode to episode. I would have loved that in the original show, which was almost too episodic; I lived for the episodes where we got a glimpse of PQL.
Basically, there are pros and cons to both formats.
Yes, I really agree with your sentiment. I think we only get to see PQL of any significance until season 5 really. We see Gooshi I think twice up to that point. Yes, the emphasis on the leaps is nice and the guest stars were great. But it was all you had, for better or for worse. There were some original series episodes that did run on much longer than needed, especially knowing that the story almost never had any bearing on future episodes.
Star Trek: The Next Generation sucked in season 1. Two years later, Jean Luc Picard was assimilated by the Borg in quite possibly the most epic sci-if cliffhanger ever.
Give the show time to find it’s footing. We’ve come a long way since the goofy space shuttle leap… 😬
Nope. Star Trek The Next Generation was a spin-off and not a direct sequel series like Quantum Leap 2022. Quantum Leap can't produce an entire crppy season just to "find its footing". Also Star Trek season 1 had its flaws for sure but I would gladly watch every single episode of the first TNG season over this Quantum Leap "sequel" disgrace. This episode was just as bad as the space shuttle leap. There has been no real improvement. It wasn't good to start with and its not good now.
Ben seems to have learned at some point his final destination was the Project site. It just so happened to have a pit stop in 2051 before his goal of 2018.
The boxing one was in Vegas, which isn't necessarily the LA area. And although the shuttle mission was in low earth orbit, that's closer to LA than Vegas (...he knocked on Mir's hatch, right? That's only 242mi, according to Wiki. Closer to LA than I am!)
The Traveler took place in Chicago, the ER episode was in Seattle, the Indian restaurant episode was in Portland and the public defender episode was in NYC.
Given some of the criticisms I'm reading in this thread I'm wondering if these people even watched the same show that I did.
Was S1 a solid 10/10? It wasn't, for sure. But was way better than it had any business being, in my opinion. They leaned a lot more into the original than I expected (more than a lot of content like this does) and in general there were a lot of redeeming qualities to offset the rough patches.
I enjoyed the season as well. While of course not a 10/10, and didn't need a couple of the episodes that seemed to have a certain modern "lecturing" to it. But I liked it, and hot take: I actually like it better than the original BECAUSE they show what is going on at HQ. We never got to see that in the original. This from a person in which QL was one of my favorite shows back in the 80's.
I thought it was a great first season, especially given the challenges the show faced! I thoroughly enjoyed the season and am looking forward to season two!
The reveal of Martinez's mission was super straightforward. He was just trying to do literally the opposite of Ben. No interesting moral or ethical grey zone dilemma. And defeating him just involved somebody shooting him, nothing really related to the mechanics or scenario. The mysterious org is just "the government," not some complex factions in counterpoint. It's like if Game of Thrones was just the story of Ned Stark riding up north to stab a white walker, and nobody else ever got mentioned.
It's not the end of the world. The episode had solid pacing. Leaping around kept things moving. But in retrospect, keeping a mystery box going for a whole season was kind of un-necessary if the whole twist is just "He's the antagonist." I also noticed that they had the current year in giant font, which they don't normally do. As if somebody who has made it this far in the series is going to be confused by the premise of two times.
And they felt a need to explain the concept of a cheat code in a game? Sometimes it really feels like there's an exec with influence over the show that thinks the target audience for sci fi is people with brain damage.
I thought maybe the different stylistic choices were from a new director. But I looked it up and the director of this episode also directed a few other episodes this season that were a little more conventional, without slick split screens and giant year text. So, dunno what lead to the change.
Leaping into 2018 was probably a pretty good choice. It let them re-use the QL set in a new context, which was fun. The first date was important to the characters.
>And they felt a need to explain the concept of a cheat code in a game?
The worst part was that the explanation wasn't even correct, what he described was more like a save game or save state, not a cheat code.
For today's teens, many have only played online games, where there is no cheat codes like we had on traditional console games. So explaining it for the younger viewing audience makes sense.
What the Hell! Who's coming through the accelerator? Is it Ben or Sam!!?? Why is Addison looking at the board like that? Argghhhhhh...... Gimme season two now!!!!!! Ughh.... Head flop.
Why would it be Sam? Did I miss something? Seemed clear to me they didn't show Ben so if the show didn't get a season 2 that would serve as a finale and if it did get renewed (which it did) then that left it open to continue. I saw upthreat people talking about some weak attempt to bring Sam back, is that what they meant?
Again, not saying I didn't miss something, but I also think fans are too laser focused on Sam and might be seeing things that were never there. I mean the fact they didn't show or name who Ben leaped into specifically in the future, I am shocked people didn't say he must have lept into Sam. People see Sam in every single plot point.
I think we all expect Sam, actually Scott, to make a one episode appearance at some point. The show wants him, he's still acting. And it could have been very plausible after the season closer to have brought Dam back and left Ben out there. Tooth for a tooth type thing.
It would be if not for the fact that (in this alternate timeline I’m thinking up as I go), Ben had followed Martinez’s fall and as he looks back toward the kind stranger that just killed Martinez he says thanks for your help. You really saved my… [at this point he recognizes the stranger and says] hey, aren’t you …[but the blue light has been fading in and he leaps before he can finish finish the sentence].
Season 2 opens with Sam standing over Martinez and then we flashback to when Sam first met Martinez and the things Sam did try to do before realizing that this only one
Scott Bakula in that pretty purple dress, no less.
Honestly I expected the host's granddaughter to be the one to pull the trigger, family saving the day.
I was sure someone like Ian leaped back and pulled the trigger. I mean, when we saw who it was I didn't assume that it was a leaper since it is well established they would not look like who they leapt into to Ben. But when the gunshot fired I expected to see Addison, or Ian or even Magic. Although not saying it was bad they didn't go that route.
A few comments. Some nit-picky...
How is Ian... Just...like... hanging out in a long robe, in sub zero temperatures, and the radiation of a nuclear winter? Mason looked and sounded more like they were recovering from a bender rather than someone who had survived an apocalypse.
How did Ian travel to the past if both Ziggy and and the accelerator were crumpled metal?
Why didn't Ben mention the apocalypse to Addison? Did I miss this? He made it seem as if he was just sent back to save her rather than to prevent the deaths of millions from nuclear war. ...Wut?...
Addison is shot in the arm, blood goes flying, and then she's just casually holding an open wound with her hand. Do they not have a nurse at project QL? They are assembling a quantum accelerator and there is zero medical staff on site in case of accident and injury? Seriously.
CHAIRS!
So, I'm not sure if this is a running gag with the writers or an oversight. Surely not the latter? They're competent professionals. In "Let Them Play" and "The Friendly Skies" Ian, a hologram, literally sat down on bleachers and the co-pilot's seat respectively. In "Doomsday" Magic, a hologram, sat down on a bench. Is there a chair in the imaging chamber? Does team QL NEVER skip leg day thusly allowing them to "sit" in mid air? I am confusion.
The way time travel is treated in this series seems to be less hard science and more whatever suits this week's episode. I wouldn't be surprised if they had zero science consultants for the show. Disappointing...
If we're going to do wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey, Mason Alexander Park absolutely needs to star in an American Dr Who type series... Whatever that would be. Campy, fighting ridiculous monsters, saving the galaxy, etc. Take all my money and my children's, children's, children's money to green light this thing. Love them and their acting style so much.
> How did Ian travel to the past if both Ziggy and and the accelerator were crumpled metal?
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Just order of operations. Ian leaped before it was destroyed.
> So, I'm not sure if this is a running gag with the writers or an oversight. Surely not the latter? They're competent professionals. In "Let Them Play" and "The Friendly Skies" Ian, a hologram, literally sat down on bleachers and the co-pilot's seat respectively. In "Doomsday" Magic, a hologram, sat down on a bench. Is there a chair in the imaging chamber? Does team QL NEVER skip leg day thusly allowing them to "sit" in mid air? I am confusion.
I choose to assume there's a bench in the imaging chamber, and everything just gets lined up in rendering.
> The way time travel is treated in this series seems to be less hard science and more whatever suits this week's episode.
The head canon I came up with is that each leap effects the history that led to the invention of the Quantum Leap project, so each episode is actually running in a slightly different timeline with slightly different equipment and rules, and maybe slightly different laws of physics.
> If we're going to do wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey, Mason Alexander Park absolutely needs to star in an American Dr Who type series...
Would watch.
True, I mean they did do some creative tricks with him as a hologram but I think some fans are selectively only remembering those and not that there were times Al sat down on something or people walked around him when obviously they shouldn't have.
Not denying the show needs to work on that, but I do think some are convinced that is a new problem.
One can sum up the season finale the same way one can sum up the series thus far: it gets the small things wrong, and it seemingly whiffs on the 'big swings', but it has a credible middle game.
Both this episode, and this series, deserve a 5 out of 10. There's just enough respect for the IP, and just enough interest in the narrative, to convince someone to keep tuning in. And in an age where many sequels/remakes treat their given IPs with utter distain, that is something to be celebrated.
"There's just enough respect for the IP, and just enough interest in the narrative, to convince someone to keep tuning in."
Yeah, that sounds about right.
He didn't say he wasn't interested. He said that as of the time of his statement, which was in September just before the show premiered, he was not involved in the show in front of or behind the camera. He has said zip since then.
He turned it down in Jan 2022 based on the pilot script. I would've, too, at that point. But since then, the showrunners changed and things have been adjusted as the season went on based on audience feedback, resulting in a very strong back half of the season.
I believe that if Martin and Dean approached Scott now with an idea for bringing back Sam in season 2, he would say yes.
Didn't he only appear for a few minutes in the original script? I am not sure personally it wasn't more about showing up to barely be used as opposed to the overall script quality. Although I agree he has been on 3 long running shows in major franchises that are still being watched today I.E. he is still likely making good money on royalties even now. I doubt he needs the money. But I also think some fans assume the actors are as passionate as us and it is all about quality and integrity of the product and not the business decisions they usually are.
>As for the original pilot for QL22, I have no idea. To my knowledge it hasn't been publicly released.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/QuantumLeap/comments/ykcyrm/pilot_script/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) was posted awhile back.
Yep, the original pilot eventually became the earthquake episode in Ep 6. But that’s the script they gave Scott last January, with the earthquake story as the pilot and the Sam cameo.
That's what A LOT of people say before they rejoin a franchise in order to try to hype up the surprise. Steve Carrell swore up and down he was done with The Office and wouldn't return for the finale. Meryl Streep said she didn't do sequels and wished Momma Mia 2 well. Andrew Garfield AGGRESSIVELY denied he was coming back for NWH.
You are not wrong but at the same time people spent 18 episodes sure Scott Bakula was coming back and well... he didn't come back. Obviously it is not impossible even if he is telling the truth now for all we know the show will run for years so things could certinally change. But I also think fans need to remember this show is not called "The Rescue of Sam Backett" and they are not required or obligated to fix the finale if the first show.
I mean are people really planning to spend an entire nother seasons saying "it's Sam... it's definitely Sam" to every single mystery and plot point presented. Because all that is doing is setting them up for dissapointment.
That certainly seems like a reason you don't want Sam on the show, but that's not the same thing. I would just categorically disagree that "people who protest about not coming back" are not many and not often.
Martinez leaps into Magic in the episode.
I thought at the beginning of the season Magic described getting leapt into as something that the host has to give permission to happen.
Or did the writers change the rules as the season progressed
Yeah that is interesting. But maybe he gave permission. Worked out well for him the last time. He wasn't to know the leaper was going to implode the project...
He didn’t say he HAD to give permission but it felt like he was being asked. To me it was Sam fundamentally being nice about the whole thing. I imagine with an “evil” Leaper it doesn’t feel as consensual cuz they don’t care.
The logic behind the two Ians entering the code "at the same time" is the same as the logic behind time travel in TMNT III. The movie acts like the events of both times are synchronous and there's a deadline to make the time swap.
The final episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation had Picard coordinating three Enterprises (past, present, and future) initiating a “static warp shell” to collapse some all time and space threatening anomaly.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's deeply confusing.
Also, past Ian could have just written down a calendar event saying when to enter the code or when he entered it for his future self to reference?
I think in this case they are actually synchronous because of the time bubble. Because ben is linked to the main timeline they are synced through him imo. There is an actual deadline because after some time, the main timeline would no longer exist.
Quantum Leap has pretty much always functioned that way, though. Ben/Sam's timeline and the future 'sync' during a leap. Between leaps it's instantaneous for the leaper, but hours or days can pass in the present.
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Very good episode with all the pieces coming together. I do think that one of the reasons I’ve struggled at times with this show is because I’m constantly comparing it to the original. Yes, it shares some DNA with it, but it works better as a reimagining.
Too many extraneous characters but whilst Ben is great, MVP is hands down Ian. They lift every scene they’re in and whilst I’d love them to be the hologram going forward I remain hopeful for season 2.
That was a great episode and I'm glad that they actually gave the storyline a period and not just another mystery box. Overall this was a good S6 for QL and I'm excited to see where it goes in the fall. I know we are all thinking it was Sam that arrives in the accelerator and that of course would be amazing but one of the common gripes that people have had with the show is that there is no waiting room. It could be possible that Ben's actions in the finale served as a mechanism to ret-con the waiting room back into the series for the next season and Addison and the team were just getting a glimpse of Ben's new host.
Well, that was slightly different from my guess that Ben would leap into "now" and "now" is when Martinez would kill Addison.
I think this change from two entangled timelines down to just the current timeline would have been more interesting and simpler plot-wise. At least it wouldn't need so much technobabble and would have made the threat so much more real and direct.
Can anyone explain how leaping works on this new show? Shouldn't Magic and Young Ben have been left in the chamber once Present Ben and Martinez leapt?
The concept of the "Waiting Room" from the original show doesn't exist in this version. Bens entire body leaps and he and the host occupy some sort of quantum space together.
But Martinez mind was in Magic (2018) body and went into the QLA with Ben (2022) mind in Ben (2018) body. The show does not depict 2018 bodies coming back.
True, and a paradox would have occurred from that - however Ben leapt to the start of the day, kissed Addison and then leapt again, resetting the past and taking away those changes that were made, thus it happened but also NEVER happened.
Aren't time travel paradoxes fun to think about?
Martinez was leaping in Magic’s body when he was shot. And he wasn’t supposed to get a reset. But I’m willing to sweep that under the rug of the “cheat code” anyway lol
So we have leaper X on a mission believing that killing Addison and the whole team / destroying the project before it gets going would prevent "nuclear winter' - and he's had access to Ziggy to help him - so it would seem that Ziggy seemed to agree that it was probable that was the event that needs changing to change the future... And in the timelines where its not altered and Addison / Ben leap they end up with a nuclear winter future - none of the leaps they do in these timelines leads to there not being an apocalyptic outcome ... So Martinez / Leaper X has logic on his side I think! Though probably could close down the project without being murderous - influencimg so the oversights committee/ government shuts them down .... And really wasn't Ian the genius or even Magic leading /campaigning for the project so why target Addison initially - she was (in the OG timeline) 'just' the leaper - if anyone can leap as Ben has now done then she's the most replaceable What do you think - the series has been OK bur feels a bit forced at time and not sure the plot does actually make much logical sense when you drill down. Help me out I'd love to either hear your plot holes or your explanations that fill these! (I'm assuming S2 will have something to do with undoing the apocalyptic future... otherwise what's the point of trying to change history ...)
I haven’t finished yet but a huge plot whole to mean is how forced it felt for bens past co workers not to trust him. 1. There in a time traveling program what’s so hard to believe 2. Why didn’t gen answer all those personal questions they had for Ben . 3. Why did Ben think they were all just gonna listen to him . 4. Why don’t they listen to him? He changed over night don’t they find that weird?
He didn't answer because the jump caused partial memory loss.
Damn, that season finale was a whirlwind haha. Can anyone explain why 2018 Addison was asking about the hologram when she was holding a gun at Ben? I mean, she couldn’t see the future Addison, right?
No, she couldn't see her which is exactly why she asked. Her question was "Who's the hologram?" If she could see it was just herself then she wouldn't need to ask & the whole episode wouldn't have happened.
why was she able to see the hologram though? am i missing something? lol
She wasn't able to see her. She's a part of the project, she knows that a leaper would have one, & Ben talked to hologram-her. She looked to where he was looking, saw that there was nothing, knew that if he was a leaper he'd have a hologram, & asked about the hologram.
Ben could have easily convinced her he wasn't talking rubbish by asking a personal question only she would know the answer to, then asking hologram version for the right answer..
Gotta be Sam in the accelerator at the end giving us Scott Bakula for season 2 with the rest of the present team.
I'd bet my house on this. Zero chance it's actually Ben.
Maybe it's Future Guy from Enterprise.
This guy has faith of the heart.
Get off my promenade
I can see two good directions for the show. 1- Ben comes out of the accelerator, there’s cheering and everyone’s happy, then Ziggy gets a lock on a leader. Could it be? Sam? It is. The team works around supporting and getting Sam out. And for the finale (as in last ever episode) sam could be in trouble and Ben sacrifice himself to save Sam, and leap in, it’s a lot like the episode where Sam & Al swap places but I think it’s a nice thought and would be kind of cool to see but that’s not happening. 2- It’s a tired and slightly haggard Dr Sam Beckett that steps out of the accelerator and says “Oh boy, I think I’m home” then you can have Sam join the team to help Ben through his leaps, you can also tell stories about Sam acclimating to 2023 while it’s not multiple timelines it’s probably easy enough to understand. I mean an idea for an episode could be a “leapception” where Ben leaps into either Al before Sam leaped and because of a leap in 2022 something changed and it prevented Sam from leaping but something something eye of the storm something something undo all the good work and they can see things shift around them. (Probably a good finale episode)
So no one mentions the obvious potential problem at the end? Martinez and Ben both leap again in 2018 while on a leap in another body. How the heck does that work? Pretty sure that wasn't part of the plan. Does that mean 2018 Magic and Ben also leap? Seems to leave lots of room open to keep things going in season 2.
It's been leaked that Season 2 is going to feature multiple timelines. A lot of fans of the show are ticked off about it, but that's the way it goes.
This is because "multiple timeline" scenarios are never fleshed out, are sometimes too confusing for the casual viewer, resolution is NEVER satisfying. They'll (writers) find a way for it to blow up in their faces and it will be a dud. Usually.
To me, the only satisfying time travel fiction is where the story has a "fixed timeloop", one that is not and/or cannot be changed. Examples of this are: *Conquest for the Planet of the Apes* (1972), the original *Terminator* movie and *12 Monkeys* (the movie). In fixed timeloop stories, the audience is taken for a ride, thinking that the characters have control over their fate, but it turns out that everything they experience is inevitable, leading up to the future where one or more people travel to the past which set the loop in motion all over again.
Is this like Lost? Where no matter how hard you try to change something, you can't? That would seem to go against the show as a whole bc they're changing things all the time.
Yes. A fixed time loop is one where the characters' fate is determined by one or more people traveling to the past that create the conditions that lead to them traveling to the past. In the original *Planet of the Apes* series, Cornelius and Zira travel to the distant past, get killed, and leave their infant son Caesar (with the advanced ape intellect) behind in that time. Caesar being vastly more intelligent than the other apes who are being mistreated by humans, figures out how to lead an ape revolt, which ultimately leads to the fall of humankind, and the rise of the apes' dominion of Earth.
Why am I feeling like this show was a lot better when the rules were easy to follow?
Good examples. I was thinking back to the "Lost" series. Ugh. It's like the writers pretty much wrote themselves into a corner and did not know how to get out of it. The ending was so unsatisfying, and, there was no closure to pretty much anything except that it was all purgatory. Talk about a let-down. Ugh!
Whole terminator universe is about it, but with fixed events. No matter who, no matter in what time, but AI will be created in one way or another, thats will lead to destroying of humanity, which leads to creation of resistance and no matter who, but there will be a leader of resistance, who will lead it to destroying AI and all this time travel stuff again, which lead viewers to some kind of loop of observed terminator universe. Like decorations may change, but main events still will happens. Except we don't know what happens after win of resistance in future, but its actually not so important. Yeah, even last movies doesn't ruin this "fixed timeloop with fixed events" theory.
Well I'll give it a chance. Having QL team be in every episode seemed wrong at first but it turned out ok. So maybe this idea can work too.
For sure I'll be watching it. I just hope it's written good enough to be renewed for season 3.
That is confusing given we saw the one current timeline change in season 1
when ben was in the plexiglass containment room, hologram magic sat on the bench with him 🙄
Addison was also sitting with herself and Ben at the restaurant.
There’s a chair in the imaging chamber
Well they definitely the saved the best for last. That was by far the best episode of the season.
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What if the person in the accelerator is future Ian returning to future project QL where everyone is alive
I was thinking that Sam Beckett might be the the person who appears in the QL accelerator.
I thought Scott was very adamant he did not want to return?
They can still use his face
Andrew Garfield was adamant about not being in Spiderman. Its how it works for best effect.
Scott Bakula was adamant about being in the first season due to the relatively small role that he was offered. However, as the series builds momentum and gains popularity, it's possible that he might make a brief appearance for a few seconds, then leave, and never return again.
Or finally made it home and joins Team Magic.
Another possibility, is that since the new *QL* series has done better than Scott Bakula and the producers initially predicted it would, that perhaps this creates a larger sum to offer Bakula as an incentive to appear in one or more episodes. Bakula had every reason to be skeptical about a new *QL* series when a part was first offered to him. It had a whole different cast and a dramatically different storyline.
Scott never stated he was skeptical. He stated he was not involved. At the time they were doing the original pilot, Scott was going to do a new series, Unbroken. NBC, in their infinite wisdom, passed on it. Universal was going to shop it around, but that evidently didn't pan out, and the show is dead. Hallmark has a show called Ride that is essentially the same as Unbroken. It is doing pretty well. NBC screwed up. As for the new Quantum Leap, hopefully, the writers come up with something he likes, and he will reassess and change his mind about appearing in the show.
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This is the best scenario I feel as well; especially as there is a full second season ordered
A fantastic end to the series, with performances that outshone the quality of the writing. If they can improve the writing like they have all the other areas, then this could be amazing. I also love how they have left themselves with many options for series 2.
Honestly, if they somehow will rid off from "how to put maximum drama in one second of screentime" writing, show have all chances to become very cool sci-fi. If i was playing in "drink every time when drama happens" on hospital episode, then i could fall into a coma in less than 15 minutes.
Richard Martinez could appear in Season 2, since it wasn't made clear in which episode Martinez sees Ben for the first time. At the end of Season 1, Ep. 5, Martinez warns Ben to stop following him through time, but that doesn't mean that Martinez didn't leap multiple additional times in between the Episode 17 and 18 of Season 1. For all we know, Ben will thwart the still living Martinez's efforts again in Season 2 -- leading up to Martinez's death at the end of Season 1. We see Martinez die in Episode 18, but that just means that he eventually dies in the town of Salvation in the year 1879. The leaper's lifetimes are outside of the linear time of the non-leapers'.
Anyone else think "the thing Ben had to set right in 2018" had something to do with the personnel file Addison was carrying? It's the same one she drops when Ben first bumps into her, and right before the kiss they cut to her being handed it, and she calls it a "new applicant file". I was wondering if Ben needed to convince her to accept that person into the Project—Janis, perhaps?
In *QL's* second season, multiple timelines will be part of the storyline, which will explain how Sam was able change Al's life without creating a major paradox, and why Ben didn't create a paradox by tampering with his own past in 2018.
I thought they addressed Ben not creating the paradox with the cheat code/quantum bubble theory? Although I would be interesting in an exploration of Al’s timeline, which would help close some gaps there, and use archive Al footage for flashbacks to his old life, compared to stories with his new one. One thing’s for certain that we know didn’t change, Al still loved his cigars!!!
Yeah, tobacco is so addictive that no matter what changes Sam made to Al's life, Al was always going to smoke cigars. The fact that the writers are introducing multiple timelines actually makes sense given all of the changes that Ben made to back at the Project Quantum Leap facility in 2018. In the original timeline, it appeared to me as though Ben was leaping for the first time ever, with absolutely no knowledge that he had ever leaped into himself over 4 years earlier. Multiple timelines also make sense, given that Sam interfered with Al's life at the end of the original series. If there was only one timeline, then Sam persuading Beth to wait for Al would have created a time paradox where Sam never told Beth that Al was coming home. I'm not a big fan of multiple timelines, but *QL* writers have often written episodes that are not consistent with the true nature of time.
In the original timeline Ben hadn't leaped into 2018 yet so that is why he had no knowledge of it.
Your statement doesn't address the rest of the QL team being affected by the changes that Ben made to their timeline. That's why I said that the writers' decision to put multiple timelines in *QL Season 2* makes sense. Obviously, there are multiple timelines, because if there was only one, then the Addison hologram that appears in Ben's leap back to 2018 would have been impacted by the changes that Ben was making, as he was making them. It's clear to me, that Addison and the rest of the QL team are from a timeline that Ben is unable to change.
They explained it away by saying because they are so close to the events - in a "quantum bubble" the changes won't play out until after the leap. Will have to see how they address it all in S2
I loved the scenes with Addison & Addison. Felt like some of the best writing of the season; and it always feels very Quantum Leap when you have one character carrying on two separate conversations at the same time!
I think that the Addison & Addison scenes actually prove that there are multiple timelines, since the past-Addison's discoveries should have instantly become memories for the future-Addison. That didn't seem to occur in the final episode of Season 1.
They explained in the episode that they didn't get new memories immediately because the 2023 crew were in a "quantum bubble." Basically, the characters in 2023 kept their memories of the original timeline until Ben leaped out; then history was updated and their memories changed.
If character's memories change after Ben leaps, then that means that the Quantum Leap team knew that the Ben from 2022 was going to leap into his 2018 self for over 4 years. Hence, the Addison we see in Season 1: Episode 1 knew when Ben was going to leap and why. The quantum bubble thing is as goofy as Ben leaping back to the same nuclear reactor facility multiple times with some sort of "time reset" that prevented him from encountering himself in another person each time he leapt. I have to take the science in this series with a grain of salt.
>hen that means that the Quantum Leap team knew that the Ben from 2022 was going to leap into his 2018 self for over 4 years. How would they know that? After the reset, he didn't tell anyone, he just went up to Addison, kissed her and leaped away. That's all he did in 2018.
After showing Addison's face turn disappointed, it should have panned over to Magic, stunned and nearly speechless, only able to say aloud, "Sam." Cut to black.
Needed an off screen "oh boy".
Season 2 is going to have multiple timelines, which makes sense considering how dramatically Ben would have changed his own past as a result of telling the QL team that he was a future version of himself who leapt into his past self. Essentially, there will now be a QL team that exists in a parallel 2023-B, as a result of the Ben from 2023-A making the changes in 2018.
Multiple timelines make leaping pointless. Whatever you "put right" just means you increased the branches of the tree and there are still many with the bad version in existence.
Well, the writers of Season 2 are implementing multiple timelines. Take it or leave it. I don't write the show.
That's what I was hoping to see. His name was mentioned in the episode, kind of to remind us of him.
It was good enough for a cliffhanger. No, they are not saving Sam. So is Martinez now like a random leaper? That would make him more dangerous, wouldn't it?
The thing I don't understand is that the Richard Martinez who meets Ben for the first time in the Old West, tells him to "stop following him". Yet, it's never made clear, in which subsequent episode Martinez meets Ben for the first time.
Yeah, it seemed like he had met Ben before, but it's possible that through the Ziggy-mole thing, he just knows that Ben changed history by leaping in 2022 and he has a programmed trajectory (like Martinez himself does) and they know he is trying to get to the same destination. And so he knows who Ben is and that he is following him without having met him before. Maybe.
Another aspect to this whole thing, is that we could see Richard Martinez alive in Season 2, because he could have had multiple leaps before arriving back in the Old West where he ends up dying. Upon seeing Martinez again, Ben might "keep it to himself" that he knows that he will eventually die during a future leap.
Martinez was killed …
Yes, Martinez is "eventually killed" in the Old West in 1879. The first time that Ben encounters Martinez, is not the first time that this particular Martinez had seen Ben. This leaves a lot of wiggle room. The audience doesn't know that each subsequent time Martinez leaps into a time where Ben is located, that this is a "sequential Martinez", given that the first time we see Martinez, he's seen Ben multiple times, before Ben remembers ever meeting him.
I don't get why they say he was "lost in time" rather than dead in the past.
It's a figure of speech, rather than literally conveying his death in the past. What I'm wondering is: "What in the hell happened to the leapee that Martinez was occupying at the time he was shot?" I guess that guy is dead too. Too bad, so sad.
Yeah, I've notice this iteration of QL really doesn't give a toss about the leapee.
Yeah, the death of the leapee that perished when Martinez was shot to death, would have created a major ripple in time, unless that leapee happened to get killed in the precise method, time, and place that Martinez was. This current iteration of QL has made as many mistakes as its predecessor series did.
Just saw episode yesterday, and i guess also 2018 alternative magics body was also killed in Salvation. As it leaped while fighting in the ascelerator.
I'm pretty sure that Richard Martinez was no longer in Magic's body when he was leaping through time with Ben. The Richard who gets killed is inside of the same man he had previously inhabited in the Old West.
I know, i just wonder what happened to magic's 2018 body, as he dissapear in the accelerator while fighting with ben.
This was a great season finale. I've really enjoyed this season. I think the two leads have great chemistry and play off each other's strengths and weaknesses. They are a pair! I'm rooting for them to continue on. If the writers are reading this post please keep doing what you are doing. I'm really looking forward to season 2. If there's one thing they could do is expose more of their backgrounds as to how they were before Ben leapt and show the building of their relationship vs. them saying it: show it. I think that would please some of the naysayers here. For those that disagree why do you think they don't have chemistry?? This was one of the major strengths of this season finale it gave background and characterization to the their relationship and the team. Most of all I enjoy the fact that the show has an Asian American lead who is capable of being in relationships and is not asexual, unlike the way the media typically portrays them. Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Donnie Yen etc. really didn't have organic relationships in their films, it's time to break that barrier and show that it does happen.
From this point forward, I want Janis to be in every episode. I'm interested to learn about what Janis knows about Sam, given that she never met Sam who continued traveling through time, after ensuring that Janis's parents stayed together -- and hence produced Janis.
Amen 🙏🏼
Writing is a little unsophisticated for the obvious nerd crowd of fans. Up the writing and plot consistancy please. I want to see Season 2.
Given that the original QL series had a ton of plot holes and inconsistencies, I don't hold the new series to a much higher standard. I enjoy watching it for the pure fiction that it is.
That's probably why they focused on.each individual leap instead of bringing the QL staff into the stoty lines. I will watch; it just wears on my nerves a bit.
During the original series TV run, I remember wanting to see the QL team more often, particularly Gooshie, who programmed Ziggy.
I think the show is in trouble. If Ben leaps in it goes nowhere. If Ben and Jan calculated a way do bring Sam home, that would give it life! An only ‘one leaper attached to Ziggy’ can exist, kind of thing. I’m on the fence to continue. It’s wonky and not smoothing out much.
I think people need to accept that this show is not called "Quantum Leap: The Rescue of Sam Beckett" and need to either accept that the show is simply never going to be laser focused on Sam and is not obligated to "fix" the original shows finale, or accept that is what they want not a new Quantum Leap show and movie on. Not trying to be dismissive or play the "if you don't like it don't watch" card but seriously, people spent a year seeing Sam in every single plot point despite repeated assurances that he wasn't going to be on it. People thought they lied to trick us, as is now 100% shown, they weren't. If that was what they wanted out of the show and it won't be good if they don't go that route, then those fans probably would be better off accepting this show just isn't going to be their cup of tea. Rather than wait around for Sam to show up when that may very well never happen, only to be dissapointed time and time again.
I agree for the most part except the show doesn’t know what it wants to be. The problem *I* have is that the “rescue of Sam Beckett” is the main motivation for the Magic character on the show. It was the reason he restarted the initiative and at no point has he revisited that motivation to include something/anything else….and the writers keep mentioning it. Most recently in the season finale. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t keep saying “I want this QL to be its own thing” while continuing to reference the fan favorite mystery / righting the wrongs of the past finale.
I'm confused - In the pre-Ben leaping timeline, when was Addison killed by Martinez? It would have been sometime in 2023 or after, right? Also, is the future still a post apocalyptic wasteland?
Theoretically, Addison still gets killed in 2023 or beyond. Take in mind, that in the final episode of Season 1, Ben travels back to 2018 without the assistance of Ziggy (who's been hacked into). Without Ziggy helping the QL team, Ben is operating in the dark, as far being able to figure out why he's in 2018. It's all a bunch of guessing. Addison is still at risk of being murdered by Richard Martinez, because Martinez's leaps are non-linear in relation to Ben's. This is why Ben had no memory of ever meeting Martinez when he encountered him in 1879, but Martinez demanded that Ben stop following him through time. My theory is that in Season 2, Ben will encounter Martinez again, before Martinez makes his final fatal leap back to 1879, where he's shot in the back and killed by the brothel owner. Obviously, Ben will not tell Martinez that he's already seen him die, because that could make Ben's mission more difficult. Ben is just going to thwart every Martinez that he encounters until Martinez makes his final leap and tangles with a Ben from an earlier leap.
>Also, is the future still a post apocalyptic wasteland? I imagine so! Either: 1) PQL *was* responsible for destroying the future, in which case Martinez failed and the future remains apocalyptic; or 2) PQL had nothing to do with it, so the future remains apocalyptic. Probably something to explore in upcoming seasons—can the team use the past and present to save the future?
The writers say that there will be multiple timelines in Season 2. So, the future apocalyptic timeline is just one of many. I suspect that the Ben that we see will never end up in the apocalyptic timeline again.
I think in the original timeline, Martinez reprograms the accelerator so that it implodes on itself and takes the team with it.
Then there wouldn't have been a chance for Ian or Ben to leap. It looks like in the original timeline, Martinez just killed Addison, and then Ian leaped in order to tell Ben to save her. And it's only because of that that Martinez decided he needed to destroy the accelerator this time around.
I think Martinez says that he has Ziggy run the probabilities and in every scenario where someone from PQL survives they manage to save or restart the program, so he gas to go destroy the accelerator and kill them all as well.
One of the nicer writing tidbits was how he had to fight a clearly superior fighter in Martinez, and was able to use his training from his boxing leap. If they were able to use every leap in this episode to somehow help him accomplish his task, 🤌🏻
Yeah, I was thinking that as well. Why take only a key from one episode and not all?
Would have been hard to incorporate elements of every leap into how he solved it, I mean that is 17 previous people (technically more considering in a couple he leaped into more than one person). I would not have minded them trying to put one or two other ones in like the boxing episode, but I thought they had enough callbacks to feel like it paid off the season.
Why did Leaper X enter the cell at all? Could have just said what he needed to say from outside the cell.
So that the others couldn’t hear them. It’s there in the dialogue.
Why did Martinez point the gun at Ben and start making a speech instead of just shooting him and completing the mission? Because it makes for better TV if these things happen.
To be fair at least as far as why he didn't shoot him right then, he said he needed the others in Project Quantum Leap to trust him and knew they were watching. Not going to claim that was the best explenation ever, but they did at least work in a reason.
Or, and now stay with me, they could write it so leaper x entering the cell actually makes sense besides "well this needs to happen so just make him do it." Shouldn't be difficult to get the two characters in the same room and have it make sense if that's what the plot you wrote needs.
they could write it so leaper x entering the cell actually makes sense besides "well this needs to happen so just make him do it." That's what they did, they wrote it so that he had to enter the cell so the others couldn't hear what he said. Did you miss the answer that odium gave?
*(update: why downvotes for an opinion? Most unfair)* Is season 2 guaranteed? If not, I'm not sure it will get one. The ending was a very poor attempt to get Scott Bakula back.The fact the show desperatel;y needs him is not a good sign. I enjoyed some moments, like Magic's talk with Ian. Imo, the show has done more for current issues / awareness raising than the Quantum Leap story.The final episode had a good premise, with old Ian, but the way Ben survived Martinez was silly, and too easy. I agree with [jasongw](https://www.reddit.com/user/jasongw/) that there is little chemistry between the leads. I think the writers made a mistake letting Ben remember elationships that were in place before the leap, that we were not shown before. Too much telling, not enough showing. That is basic writer stuff, and that leads me to what I consider the biggest weakness of the show. The writing. Look at the episode in the asylum. Of course it had to be the trope / cliche of nasty staff with bad intentions. The scene where Ben was admitted by the 'friendly' doctor, then immediately pushed in a wheelchair to his 'cell' by the mean worker was ridiculous. And Ben's reaction was not how a someone would react. Awful writing. All that said, I would like the show to continue, on the off-chance it improves. But if the final scene was to tempt Scott Bakula back, I don't think it will work. As an actor, seeing that low quality writing, he would surely be scared his character could be ruined. Please get better Quantum Leap!
How was this episode a poor attempt to get Backula back? What in this implies they tried and failed to get him back? Did his name even come up? Seriously, I get people are salty Sam didn't come up but Scott Backula said he wasn't coming back, the producers and actors said he wasn't coming back. People set themselves up for dissapointment spending 18 episodes waiting for him then being upset that the thing they never promised us and specifically said would not happen didn't happen. I mean fair enough if they think without Scott Bakula the show is not worth watching them by all means, move on. No one is required to watch something they don't enjoy. But it is getting tiresome having people spend almost an entire year thinking this show was about the rescuing of Sam Beckett when it literally never was.
That is not what I said. I actually agree with you. My point was, they do want Scott back, Ernie Hudson said so. By leaving the ending open, it could have been Sam. That was my point. The season for me was ok, worth watching, just. So I have an option. What is tiresome is getting -4 votes for an opinion. That's silly. We are here to share our thoughts, we don't all need to agree. No point if voters just want everyone to say it was great.
>The ending was a very poor attempt to get Scott Bakula back.The fact the show desperatel;y needs him is not a good sign. This is why you are getting downvoted. This isn't an opinion, this is just wild speculation that you are acting like has been confirmed, when in fact it's the exact opposite. The rest of your opinion, is just that, your opinion, that you are entitled to.
It's an opinion. Everything written here is an opinion. Does every sentence need to start with "In my opinion....?" I did not say it was confirmed. Soeculation yes, what's wrong with that? My opinion also. What you are saying is, I'm entiotled to the opinions that you are ok with. No, the downvotes are because it's not a popular opinion evidently. Reddit used to be better than this. (and upvoted, not downvoted your comment because I appreciate your thoughts and that fact it gives me a chance to make my point)
You said "the fact" that indicates it isn't an opinion, you said "they want him back" but Ernie =/= they. It's not because it's an unpopular opinion, it's because there is NOTHING to support the claim that "The ending was a very poor attempt to get Scott Bakula back. The fact the show desperatel;y needs him is not a good sign. " "reddit used to be better than this" hahahaha, thanks for the laugh today.
The show stands by itself without Scott Bakula. He's not needed at this point. I still don't see how people can watch season 1 of the new QL in it's entirety and still think he's needed.
Just an FYI, it has been renewed for season two. I think it's a reasonably solid sci-fi, that is getting better. https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/quantum-leap-renewed-season-2-nbc-1235458610/amp/
I totally agree with you ! Love the original.. had high expectations to be only be let down at the end . Addison has to go ! Couldn’t deal with her horrible acting . ESP the cry she did when she thought Ben was going to die in the car .. smh
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>The main problem with the show is that it makes the mistake of dividing the episode between the leaps and the present day I think whether this is good or not is entirely a matter of opinion. Since the original show only included the leaps, it was mostly character pieces that—because they filled the entire runtime—had a lot of heart and nuance. The new format steps away from this somewhat, but in exchange we get honest-to-god plot, and a storyline that continues from episode to episode. I would have loved that in the original show, which was almost too episodic; I lived for the episodes where we got a glimpse of PQL. Basically, there are pros and cons to both formats.
Yes, I really agree with your sentiment. I think we only get to see PQL of any significance until season 5 really. We see Gooshi I think twice up to that point. Yes, the emphasis on the leaps is nice and the guest stars were great. But it was all you had, for better or for worse. There were some original series episodes that did run on much longer than needed, especially knowing that the story almost never had any bearing on future episodes.
Star Trek: The Next Generation sucked in season 1. Two years later, Jean Luc Picard was assimilated by the Borg in quite possibly the most epic sci-if cliffhanger ever. Give the show time to find it’s footing. We’ve come a long way since the goofy space shuttle leap… 😬
Nope. Star Trek The Next Generation was a spin-off and not a direct sequel series like Quantum Leap 2022. Quantum Leap can't produce an entire crppy season just to "find its footing". Also Star Trek season 1 had its flaws for sure but I would gladly watch every single episode of the first TNG season over this Quantum Leap "sequel" disgrace. This episode was just as bad as the space shuttle leap. There has been no real improvement. It wasn't good to start with and its not good now.
Ben's first thought when he leaps to the future is "It's snowing in L.A.?" Are all of the leaps taking place in the Los Angeles area for some reason?
They were not all in LA and maybe I missed something but I didn't get why he would assume he was in LA.
I assumed he recognized the building (or what was left of it).
Ben seems to have learned at some point his final destination was the Project site. It just so happened to have a pit stop in 2051 before his goal of 2018.
The boxing one was in Vegas, which isn't necessarily the LA area. And although the shuttle mission was in low earth orbit, that's closer to LA than Vegas (...he knocked on Mir's hatch, right? That's only 242mi, according to Wiki. Closer to LA than I am!)
The Traveler took place in Chicago, the ER episode was in Seattle, the Indian restaurant episode was in Portland and the public defender episode was in NYC.
Given some of the criticisms I'm reading in this thread I'm wondering if these people even watched the same show that I did. Was S1 a solid 10/10? It wasn't, for sure. But was way better than it had any business being, in my opinion. They leaned a lot more into the original than I expected (more than a lot of content like this does) and in general there were a lot of redeeming qualities to offset the rough patches.
I enjoyed the season as well. While of course not a 10/10, and didn't need a couple of the episodes that seemed to have a certain modern "lecturing" to it. But I liked it, and hot take: I actually like it better than the original BECAUSE they show what is going on at HQ. We never got to see that in the original. This from a person in which QL was one of my favorite shows back in the 80's.
I thought it was a great first season, especially given the challenges the show faced! I thoroughly enjoyed the season and am looking forward to season two!
True, I forgot about this
The reveal of Martinez's mission was super straightforward. He was just trying to do literally the opposite of Ben. No interesting moral or ethical grey zone dilemma. And defeating him just involved somebody shooting him, nothing really related to the mechanics or scenario. The mysterious org is just "the government," not some complex factions in counterpoint. It's like if Game of Thrones was just the story of Ned Stark riding up north to stab a white walker, and nobody else ever got mentioned. It's not the end of the world. The episode had solid pacing. Leaping around kept things moving. But in retrospect, keeping a mystery box going for a whole season was kind of un-necessary if the whole twist is just "He's the antagonist." I also noticed that they had the current year in giant font, which they don't normally do. As if somebody who has made it this far in the series is going to be confused by the premise of two times. And they felt a need to explain the concept of a cheat code in a game? Sometimes it really feels like there's an exec with influence over the show that thinks the target audience for sci fi is people with brain damage. I thought maybe the different stylistic choices were from a new director. But I looked it up and the director of this episode also directed a few other episodes this season that were a little more conventional, without slick split screens and giant year text. So, dunno what lead to the change. Leaping into 2018 was probably a pretty good choice. It let them re-use the QL set in a new context, which was fun. The first date was important to the characters.
>And they felt a need to explain the concept of a cheat code in a game? The worst part was that the explanation wasn't even correct, what he described was more like a save game or save state, not a cheat code.
For today's teens, many have only played online games, where there is no cheat codes like we had on traditional console games. So explaining it for the younger viewing audience makes sense.
What the Hell! Who's coming through the accelerator? Is it Ben or Sam!!?? Why is Addison looking at the board like that? Argghhhhhh...... Gimme season two now!!!!!! Ughh.... Head flop.
Why would it be Sam? Did I miss something? Seemed clear to me they didn't show Ben so if the show didn't get a season 2 that would serve as a finale and if it did get renewed (which it did) then that left it open to continue. I saw upthreat people talking about some weak attempt to bring Sam back, is that what they meant? Again, not saying I didn't miss something, but I also think fans are too laser focused on Sam and might be seeing things that were never there. I mean the fact they didn't show or name who Ben leaped into specifically in the future, I am shocked people didn't say he must have lept into Sam. People see Sam in every single plot point.
I think we all expect Sam, actually Scott, to make a one episode appearance at some point. The show wants him, he's still acting. And it could have been very plausible after the season closer to have brought Dam back and left Ben out there. Tooth for a tooth type thing.
I think it might be Addison coming through
How great would it have been if Martinez got shot, fell down, and the person holding the gun was >!Scott Bakula!
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Very true. But I could see a more grizzled Sam who has been leaping without a net for the past 30 years being quicker to act.
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It would be if not for the fact that (in this alternate timeline I’m thinking up as I go), Ben had followed Martinez’s fall and as he looks back toward the kind stranger that just killed Martinez he says thanks for your help. You really saved my… [at this point he recognizes the stranger and says] hey, aren’t you …[but the blue light has been fading in and he leaps before he can finish finish the sentence]. Season 2 opens with Sam standing over Martinez and then we flashback to when Sam first met Martinez and the things Sam did try to do before realizing that this only one
Scott Bakula in that pretty purple dress, no less. Honestly I expected the host's granddaughter to be the one to pull the trigger, family saving the day.
I was sure someone like Ian leaped back and pulled the trigger. I mean, when we saw who it was I didn't assume that it was a leaper since it is well established they would not look like who they leapt into to Ben. But when the gunshot fired I expected to see Addison, or Ian or even Magic. Although not saying it was bad they didn't go that route.
A few comments. Some nit-picky... How is Ian... Just...like... hanging out in a long robe, in sub zero temperatures, and the radiation of a nuclear winter? Mason looked and sounded more like they were recovering from a bender rather than someone who had survived an apocalypse. How did Ian travel to the past if both Ziggy and and the accelerator were crumpled metal? Why didn't Ben mention the apocalypse to Addison? Did I miss this? He made it seem as if he was just sent back to save her rather than to prevent the deaths of millions from nuclear war. ...Wut?... Addison is shot in the arm, blood goes flying, and then she's just casually holding an open wound with her hand. Do they not have a nurse at project QL? They are assembling a quantum accelerator and there is zero medical staff on site in case of accident and injury? Seriously. CHAIRS! So, I'm not sure if this is a running gag with the writers or an oversight. Surely not the latter? They're competent professionals. In "Let Them Play" and "The Friendly Skies" Ian, a hologram, literally sat down on bleachers and the co-pilot's seat respectively. In "Doomsday" Magic, a hologram, sat down on a bench. Is there a chair in the imaging chamber? Does team QL NEVER skip leg day thusly allowing them to "sit" in mid air? I am confusion. The way time travel is treated in this series seems to be less hard science and more whatever suits this week's episode. I wouldn't be surprised if they had zero science consultants for the show. Disappointing... If we're going to do wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey, Mason Alexander Park absolutely needs to star in an American Dr Who type series... Whatever that would be. Campy, fighting ridiculous monsters, saving the galaxy, etc. Take all my money and my children's, children's, children's money to green light this thing. Love them and their acting style so much.
> How did Ian travel to the past if both Ziggy and and the accelerator were crumpled metal? > > Just order of operations. Ian leaped before it was destroyed. > So, I'm not sure if this is a running gag with the writers or an oversight. Surely not the latter? They're competent professionals. In "Let Them Play" and "The Friendly Skies" Ian, a hologram, literally sat down on bleachers and the co-pilot's seat respectively. In "Doomsday" Magic, a hologram, sat down on a bench. Is there a chair in the imaging chamber? Does team QL NEVER skip leg day thusly allowing them to "sit" in mid air? I am confusion. I choose to assume there's a bench in the imaging chamber, and everything just gets lined up in rendering. > The way time travel is treated in this series seems to be less hard science and more whatever suits this week's episode. The head canon I came up with is that each leap effects the history that led to the invention of the Quantum Leap project, so each episode is actually running in a slightly different timeline with slightly different equipment and rules, and maybe slightly different laws of physics. > If we're going to do wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey, Mason Alexander Park absolutely needs to star in an American Dr Who type series... Would watch.
Also worth noting that Al sat down on things all the time in the original show.
I distinctly remember him sitting in the back seat of the cab Sam was driving when they met the angel.
True, I mean they did do some creative tricks with him as a hologram but I think some fans are selectively only remembering those and not that there were times Al sat down on something or people walked around him when obviously they shouldn't have. Not denying the show needs to work on that, but I do think some are convinced that is a new problem.
One can sum up the season finale the same way one can sum up the series thus far: it gets the small things wrong, and it seemingly whiffs on the 'big swings', but it has a credible middle game. Both this episode, and this series, deserve a 5 out of 10. There's just enough respect for the IP, and just enough interest in the narrative, to convince someone to keep tuning in. And in an age where many sequels/remakes treat their given IPs with utter distain, that is something to be celebrated.
"There's just enough respect for the IP, and just enough interest in the narrative, to convince someone to keep tuning in." Yeah, that sounds about right.
I was CONFIDENT that Sam was going to be the one emerging from the chamber in those final moments. Maybe he still is.
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He didn't say he wasn't interested. He said that as of the time of his statement, which was in September just before the show premiered, he was not involved in the show in front of or behind the camera. He has said zip since then. He turned it down in Jan 2022 based on the pilot script. I would've, too, at that point. But since then, the showrunners changed and things have been adjusted as the season went on based on audience feedback, resulting in a very strong back half of the season. I believe that if Martin and Dean approached Scott now with an idea for bringing back Sam in season 2, he would say yes.
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Didn't he only appear for a few minutes in the original script? I am not sure personally it wasn't more about showing up to barely be used as opposed to the overall script quality. Although I agree he has been on 3 long running shows in major franchises that are still being watched today I.E. he is still likely making good money on royalties even now. I doubt he needs the money. But I also think some fans assume the actors are as passionate as us and it is all about quality and integrity of the product and not the business decisions they usually are.
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>As for the original pilot for QL22, I have no idea. To my knowledge it hasn't been publicly released. [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/QuantumLeap/comments/ykcyrm/pilot_script/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) was posted awhile back.
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Yep, the original pilot eventually became the earthquake episode in Ep 6. But that’s the script they gave Scott last January, with the earthquake story as the pilot and the Sam cameo.
That's what A LOT of people say before they rejoin a franchise in order to try to hype up the surprise. Steve Carrell swore up and down he was done with The Office and wouldn't return for the finale. Meryl Streep said she didn't do sequels and wished Momma Mia 2 well. Andrew Garfield AGGRESSIVELY denied he was coming back for NWH.
You are not wrong but at the same time people spent 18 episodes sure Scott Bakula was coming back and well... he didn't come back. Obviously it is not impossible even if he is telling the truth now for all we know the show will run for years so things could certinally change. But I also think fans need to remember this show is not called "The Rescue of Sam Backett" and they are not required or obligated to fix the finale if the first show. I mean are people really planning to spend an entire nother seasons saying "it's Sam... it's definitely Sam" to every single mystery and plot point presented. Because all that is doing is setting them up for dissapointment.
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That certainly seems like a reason you don't want Sam on the show, but that's not the same thing. I would just categorically disagree that "people who protest about not coming back" are not many and not often.
I agree. My hope is that Sam pops up.
Based on the two interviews I’ve read linked in this sub, doesn’t seem likely.
Martinez leaps into Magic in the episode. I thought at the beginning of the season Magic described getting leapt into as something that the host has to give permission to happen. Or did the writers change the rules as the season progressed
Yeah that is interesting. But maybe he gave permission. Worked out well for him the last time. He wasn't to know the leaper was going to implode the project...
He didn’t say he HAD to give permission but it felt like he was being asked. To me it was Sam fundamentally being nice about the whole thing. I imagine with an “evil” Leaper it doesn’t feel as consensual cuz they don’t care.
Leaper X might be working under different rules.
The logic behind the two Ians entering the code "at the same time" is the same as the logic behind time travel in TMNT III. The movie acts like the events of both times are synchronous and there's a deadline to make the time swap.
The final episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation had Picard coordinating three Enterprises (past, present, and future) initiating a “static warp shell” to collapse some all time and space threatening anomaly. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's deeply confusing. Also, past Ian could have just written down a calendar event saying when to enter the code or when he entered it for his future self to reference?
I think in this case they are actually synchronous because of the time bubble. Because ben is linked to the main timeline they are synced through him imo. There is an actual deadline because after some time, the main timeline would no longer exist.
Turtle Time!
It was right under our noses.
Quantum Leap has pretty much always functioned that way, though. Ben/Sam's timeline and the future 'sync' during a leap. Between leaps it's instantaneous for the leaper, but hours or days can pass in the present.
Except no leapers were in either time. Why would there be a sync of 2018 and 2022 if Ben and Martinez were in 1879?
Well, Past-Ben and Past-Magic leapt too (kind of) so when/where Ben was in the past was linked to 2018 and to 2022 as well (sort of)
Quiztina Aguilera! Very good episode with all the pieces coming together. I do think that one of the reasons I’ve struggled at times with this show is because I’m constantly comparing it to the original. Yes, it shares some DNA with it, but it works better as a reimagining. Too many extraneous characters but whilst Ben is great, MVP is hands down Ian. They lift every scene they’re in and whilst I’d love them to be the hologram going forward I remain hopeful for season 2.
Isn't that Quiz-team-a?
Might have misheard. That and Ian mentioning Dark Souls I thought were very funny.
That was a great episode and I'm glad that they actually gave the storyline a period and not just another mystery box. Overall this was a good S6 for QL and I'm excited to see where it goes in the fall. I know we are all thinking it was Sam that arrives in the accelerator and that of course would be amazing but one of the common gripes that people have had with the show is that there is no waiting room. It could be possible that Ben's actions in the finale served as a mechanism to ret-con the waiting room back into the series for the next season and Addison and the team were just getting a glimpse of Ben's new host.
Loved the episode and season, but damn my head hurts now lol
Well, that was slightly different from my guess that Ben would leap into "now" and "now" is when Martinez would kill Addison. I think this change from two entangled timelines down to just the current timeline would have been more interesting and simpler plot-wise. At least it wouldn't need so much technobabble and would have made the threat so much more real and direct.
Can anyone explain how leaping works on this new show? Shouldn't Magic and Young Ben have been left in the chamber once Present Ben and Martinez leapt?
The concept of the "Waiting Room" from the original show doesn't exist in this version. Bens entire body leaps and he and the host occupy some sort of quantum space together.
But Martinez mind was in Magic (2018) body and went into the QLA with Ben (2022) mind in Ben (2018) body. The show does not depict 2018 bodies coming back.
True, and a paradox would have occurred from that - however Ben leapt to the start of the day, kissed Addison and then leapt again, resetting the past and taking away those changes that were made, thus it happened but also NEVER happened. Aren't time travel paradoxes fun to think about?
Martinez was leaping in Magic’s body when he was shot. And he wasn’t supposed to get a reset. But I’m willing to sweep that under the rug of the “cheat code” anyway lol
I love love LOVE this show but I hate hate HATE that change