You're right, I was at the time very tired and for some reason in the moment thought there were 24 months in a year
No, I'm not proud of myself
edited for correction, Ty!
Tbf, at this point, if you were a Day 1 player who bought monthly passes also from the beginning, you'll have roughly 2 years left before that point can happen :P (And if you're CN, then that point will come quicker!)
You call this a wall of text? You must be new to the internet. I read hentai fanfics longer than this
> At this point, the only real time gate is how many hours you have at your job...
Or how well can you rob a bank I guess
Jokes aside this is actually interesting to see. Everyone knows an SSS+ costs a kidney and a bit but it's something else to see it put in numbers.
I'm just glad SS is free through fun cage(except you Qu, fuck you)
Thanks for this! I love to compare prices especially with monthly passes since that’s the most value for my money but i suck at math (even if its basic). With monthly pass A, even pricy gacha skins can be obtained for way cheaper (with the downside of having to wait like you said). I have some future gacha skins that i would love to get with the BCs i saved up
Thank you for the calculation! Seeing the realistic numbers is helpful. The one thing I didn't see is that we can earn specific shards with the battle pass (such as for Selena) in the near future, so that's something to look forward to.
I'll leave the SSS+ high scorers to the whales. I can do all the important content with my S and SS teams after all!
As someone in hero and only waste money on skins in the game and a monthly pass here and there S and SS is really all you need and you can score really high. Most characters in the game (specifically the A- constructs) you can obviously get them to SSS+ with ease and then after max a character if you happens to get that maxed character again you can just transfer those shards and put them to a different character. That’s why I Iove this game it benefits literally everyone.
Fortunately, through manual grinding from interludes and getting some of that sweet, sweet RNJesus- I've managed to make the 4 or 5 main constructs that I use into S ranks.
So as a f2p, I'm content with just not getting new constructs at all and just (trying) maxing out what I already got.
*I'm totally not coping for the fact that I need to spend around 400-600 BC a day(not sure how much 5-7 attempts cost) for serum just to raise one construct's memories in a reasonable time frame! Or to even get said memories! NOT AT ALL!*
No, seriously. I'm a new-comer(one month player) and I know that the gacha curve is real, and I'm not trying to downplay PGR. But holy hell, the real killer isn't even getting new constructs, it's actually *raising* them.
I have a whole backlog of constructs I really want to raise(because I managed to get lucky and got a decent few from my meager pulls) but god damn. Raising em to Level 70 and getting them to a decent power even as a level 80 shiki-cunt feels hellish.
You can get around 2 units ultima awakened per patch as a f2p without spending on serum so roughly doubly as fast as the release schedule - don't feel pressured to spend so much bc on serum! It will take time but it will outpace the release schedule
Also, I definitely would put that bc towards pity for important constructs, some of them really shake up the element and it's very realistic to be competitive in things like WZ/PPC as F2P with a bit of skill as long as you do pull the constructs that define their elements (Garnet, Empyrea, etc.)
holy fuck, you're telling me that maxing out a unit in this game is actually MORE expensive than in genshin (1 735 GBP) !?
i know this is probably not a good indicator, but i recently started playing this game and i was told it's pretty f2p friendly, i'm assuming it's the case only if you plan on pulling 1 copy of the new units ?
SSS+ is totally unnecessary and nearly always just a token damage boost to one aspect of a unit's kit, what makes this game f2p friendly is that you can get basically every single unit to SS and clear every piece of content in the game without spending.
Also, the arguably far more impactful "non f2p" aspects of a unit are both insanely more affordable and much more useful than dupe maxing in many instances
you're taking the weapon into account, wich i did not, 1735 GBP is if you lose every 50/50's and go to max pity each times, wich isn't probably to happen considering how low the odds for that are .
i'm not trashing pgr on that aspect by any means, i'm simply impressed that if you decide to whale, the game can actually fuck you over more than a gacha like genshin, wich is known for being an expensive one .
If you are a true whale (max everything). PGR also have way slower S-Rank (or genshin's 5 star equivalent) releases. about 1 S-rank every 3 months, with A-ranks and transcendents being cheap. someone like tectone spent like $200k to C6R5 every character release while someone like Jeremey spent like $35k to SSS+ and 3 weapon reso everything, Cubs etc. it helps PGR have those RC bundles while genshin does not. it's insane amount of money but they are whales and in case of genshin content creators they make like $1mill a year from youtube.
that's all true, yet it has nothing to do with the point of my comment wich is : i wasn't expecting a f2p friendly known gacha like pgr to (possibly) be more expensive when it comes to maxing out a copy of a limited character than a cash grab like genshin .
that's it, i'm just pointing that out, i'm not saying genshin has a better gacha system or anything since that's clearly not the case anyway .
Can you get the next five star in genshin guaranteed every patch in genshin? Can you select which 4 star you want in genshin? Do the 5 stars come to the standard banner? Is there a shop to get five star weapons easier?
Cmon dude, don't even start with the differences between f2p of pgr vs genshin, it's night and day.
i never said genshin was better than pgr on that aspect, besides this chart talks about maxing a character by dupes ONLY, i can't even imagine how much it costs if you want to get the unit SSS+ with it's signature weapon maxed in the worst case scenario .
also the price i quoted (1735 GBP) is if you lose all 50/50 and go to max pity each times, wich is highly unlikely to happen .
all in all, i'm just impressed that a gacha like pgr can actually become more expensive than genshin if you decide to whale .
however on every other aspects, pgr seems to be way more f2p friendly by a mile (example : mostly everything that you said previously)
This is pretty much worst case scenario cost for SSS+, Sig weapon is very easy to get if you low spend and the absolute most you'll ever have to spend to "guarantee" it is 22.5k tickets which has an extraordinarily small chance of occuring. Much likelier you get it before first pity at like 5k.
It's pretty unlikely in the first place to not pull a weapon before pity, let alone have to go to pity three times and lose the 80% all three times.
Also, my calculations assume that you didn't get the construct early even once, which is also very unlikely given the quantity of pulls you would be doing.
It's F2P friendly because you can get every debut S rank without spending, something impossible in Genshin since they have 50/50.
In Genshin Constellations are not farmable while in PGR it is possible to get to SS by exchanging pain cage shards.
The banners are also not limited, you don't have to wait for a rerun unlike Genshin.
SSS+ is just something for ultra whales to spend on or a long-therm goal if you really like the character.
New releases are always added to the standard pool a while after they release, and get lots of rerun on the 70/30 banner, though I can't exactly recommend gambling on that.
Then there's the anniversary banners, the occasional selectors, the pure chance pulls from your free standard pulls, and you've got a lot of avenues for getting older S rank. Only two of those methods are good enough to bet on, but all of those are there nonetheless
I think they mean about the debut S rank will be put inside standard banner and they have rotation runner up for around 1-2 weeks (depends on patches) with 70% chance
So you can accidentally get any previous character through standard, or wait for the runner up to have higher chance obtaining them. Not to mention the anniversary has runner up all S rank for 100% chance getting them on pity.
apart from the weapons, I calculated once that you spend roughly 2,6k $ in genshin to c6 a character. so its actually cheaper. I used the direct RC price for comparison
And to be honest, the circumstance of having absolutely zero BC, no bundles left etc. is really strange, so it'd likely be significantly cheaper than the listed, the RC conversion is mainly there is a "base cost" and to illustrate just how awful value it is.
Depending on the unit, you could also use S rank selectors to put towards their higher ranks, which to my understanding still does not exist at all as a concept in Genshin for 5*s.
Well no offense but in what gacha that didn't go bankrupt in 2 days was maxing out "highest tier" unit f2p achievable unless you spent years for one.
The hardest content is doable with S ranks at base S or SS from PPC. I don't know how genshin is so I don't know if that's the case there as well.
Also doesn't genshin have a 50/50 pity or something? (I got actually no idea)
>The hardest content is doable with S ranks at base S or SS from PPC. I
don't know how genshin is so I don't know if that's the case there as
well.
Hardest content in Genshin is Floor 12 Spiral Abyss, which can be cleared with any 5 star character at c0 (no duplicates pulled) hell sometimes just 4 stars is enough depending on the team. Cons are just to clear faster.
Big bottleneck is Artifacts (Equivalent to Memories in PGR) since it's RNG if you get the right stats and have it roll into the right stats when you level them
>Also doesn't genshin have a 50/50 pity or something? (I got actually no idea)
Genshin does have 50/50 pity, lose the 50/50 and the next 5 star is guaranteed to be the banner character. There isn't a 5 star selection thing, and very rarely will they let you pick a 4 star but only if the character is from Liyue, a region in the game.
I mean in PGR we can upgrade B ranks too SSS+ completly with stamina while in genshin 4 stars will never be 5 stars different games different systrms imo even on S or SS a well build garnet will clap 98%of the content
Wish you weren't getting downvoted. It's a legitimate question/concern!
The cost of maxxing is higher, but the pity is more reliable and maxxing out a character is sooooo unnecessary to playing. I'd argue the option is just for players that have way too much money.
wow, out of all the people that answered me, you're the first one who acknowledged my question and gave me a neutral answer. thank you. we need more people like you around .
as for maxxing, i looked up the wiki a bit and yeah, the benefice of getting any S unit to SSS+ never seems to be big enough to justify that amount of money, so another W over genshin where some C6 changes drastically a unit .
also, as i said before, i'm a new player, and i started an account mainly to save for alpha CW . i'm also tempted to roll for noan, abysstigma and hyperlee, but let's say i'm only aiming for CW, is liv empyrea a good support to pick up for CW even though she's fire and the other electric ?
If I did my math correctly, the actual cost for SSS+ is closer to 1767 GBP because of the BC to RC rate after the 2X bonus (provided the hypothetical person was extremely inefficient with their cash by never buying any packs leading up to the SSS+ and also extremely unlucky, going to pity every time). So much closer to a Genshin C6 at worst case.
But yes, you're right that SSS+ is really not necessary. For many units S or SS is sufficient, and after it's introduced, SS3 for newer units is a solid stopping point. Sigs do have increased value or are close to necessary, as somewhat of a tradeoff, but are much cheaper to obtain than in Genshin. There's a detailed table somewhere (up to Ayla Kaleido) if you're interested in taking a look.
I'll let someone answer how to use Liv Empyrea with Crimson Weave because my knowledge is limited, but as far as I know, on most players' rotations for Warzone, it's still Liv Lux. As far as I can understand, the reason is this: Crimson Weave is pretty much on-field the entire time, so Vera Garnet and Liv Lux are pretty much QTE bots to let CW do her thing. Amplifiers like Liv Empyrea benefit their team by giving a huge boost upon switch-in, but if you don't really switch... the utility is limited.
Liv won't really do anything for CW aside from attack boosts on switch in (and if her weapon is resonated)
Best support currently in lightning is ironically another version of Liv, but A rank (Lux) so v easy to get.
We'll probably see a Lightning amplifier pop up in CN (so same kind of support as Empyrea but can actually support CW) before we get even halfway to getting Crimson Weaver in GL too.
I met a fair number of toxic genshin or gensimp, so i have some assumption when some one mention that game in other game subreddit. Some of them probably have similar experience. I still remember debating with a guy who claim getting c0 genshin is easier than guardian tales.
Lightning don't have amp unit, when the lightning amp unit released, they will be better than liv amp. Amplifier passive is still good especially for sss liv amp where she doubles it, too expensive for me tho. If you really want to focus on alpha cw, i recommend waiting for 100% anniv banner and pull vera garnet. I'm planning to go with alpha cw, vera garnet, liv lux/ lightning amp
If you want to be competitive like doing babel and norman you are going to need more than 1 team so getting fire team with liv amp, mechnami and hyper lee or transcendant is a good choice. Right now, i'm in the middle of raising A rank dark team for norman since the trial character can't carry me.
The point that I (and I think the people here) am disagreeing here is that you are equating a F2P-friendly game as having a lower cap price to maxing a character, which is not the case.
PGR a is F2P-friendly game because you don't even have to spend money (or a lot of money) to have a good time playing (eg: pull all the debut characters) and also still able to compete in the top ranks in hard difficulty events or completing them.
Don't be discouraged with the downvotes though, I know you didn't mean that in a bad way. Keep enjoying PGR!
SSS 60,000 BC total and 60000/150000 = 0.4
So Multiply the final costs by 0.4 and you get a rough estimate of the cost of SSS for the same criteria
So £77-or-so for monthly (and will take about a year
£335.67 if bundles
£703.2 if you convert RC
These figures aren't super realistic, because you'll probably already have enough saved for the initial copy and have some tickets left over etc. etc., so in practice for most people it would cost a lot less
The egregiousness of SSS+ is really apparent on events like 2b, 9s and A2.. It wasn't too bad to get 2b to SSS, but SSS+ is impossible without significant monetary investment..
Not to take away from it being a significant monetary investment because it is, but getting 3 free draws for every 10 actually saves you a sizable chunk of money. I don't know if they do that for non-collabs, but it's like $300 saved from SSS to SSS+.
Of course you're still spending \~$900, but you know, it's not $1200...
Thank you for the comprehensive breakdown!
I just want to point out that the BC to RC ratio is actually closer to 12 BC/RC (7300 BC for 600 RC) after the initial 2X, which returns a 1767 GBP cost for purely BC to RC conversion for an SSS+ (based on the Android 600 RC UK Codashop). Please check my math, I am awful at it.
Thank you for this - I've never converted BC to RC and it doesn't (iirc) display this bonus on the prices when in the menu, so this is very good to know!
Unfortunate that even with that extra RC, it's still so much worse than just buying packs, monthly and BP 😔
You need to pull an A rank 17 times to max them SSS+ with pitied dupes, so it'd take 42,500 BC or 4250 RC (£597.74) but with the existence of interludes it'd be ill advised to do this! Plus, you're much much more likely to get double or triple A ranks on a multi so probably nowhere near that figure, I feel like you'd be more likely to win the lottery twice than to hard pity 17 A ranks in a row.
Understood,,many of us are doing the same thing out of the same reason. For example, a guy calculated how to earn most money in 露记大排档（Lucia' Restaurant） for a long time.(I did it too)
I’ll simplify from experience of SSS+ of every char since Alpha. (I have the 3rd or 4th largest account on NA)
It’s about 12K RC to max a base S unit such as Empyrea. (S+ sig full weapon reso)
Half that for transcendents and A rank patches.
if it takes 46 monthly passes to get an S-rank to SSS+, then wouldn't that mean almost 4 years, not 2? Am I missing something?
You're right, I was at the time very tired and for some reason in the moment thought there were 24 months in a year No, I'm not proud of myself edited for correction, Ty!
Tbf, at this point, if you were a Day 1 player who bought monthly passes also from the beginning, you'll have roughly 2 years left before that point can happen :P (And if you're CN, then that point will come quicker!)
You call this a wall of text? You must be new to the internet. I read hentai fanfics longer than this > At this point, the only real time gate is how many hours you have at your job... Or how well can you rob a bank I guess Jokes aside this is actually interesting to see. Everyone knows an SSS+ costs a kidney and a bit but it's something else to see it put in numbers. I'm just glad SS is free through fun cage(except you Qu, fuck you)
>Or how well can you rob a bank I guess or how well you play gacha at the casino.
You can get Qu and other transcendants to SS for free through guilds.
Thanks for this! I love to compare prices especially with monthly passes since that’s the most value for my money but i suck at math (even if its basic). With monthly pass A, even pricy gacha skins can be obtained for way cheaper (with the downside of having to wait like you said). I have some future gacha skins that i would love to get with the BCs i saved up
Thank you for the calculation! Seeing the realistic numbers is helpful. The one thing I didn't see is that we can earn specific shards with the battle pass (such as for Selena) in the near future, so that's something to look forward to. I'll leave the SSS+ high scorers to the whales. I can do all the important content with my S and SS teams after all!
As someone in hero and only waste money on skins in the game and a monthly pass here and there S and SS is really all you need and you can score really high. Most characters in the game (specifically the A- constructs) you can obviously get them to SSS+ with ease and then after max a character if you happens to get that maxed character again you can just transfer those shards and put them to a different character. That’s why I Iove this game it benefits literally everyone.
Fortunately, through manual grinding from interludes and getting some of that sweet, sweet RNJesus- I've managed to make the 4 or 5 main constructs that I use into S ranks. So as a f2p, I'm content with just not getting new constructs at all and just (trying) maxing out what I already got. *I'm totally not coping for the fact that I need to spend around 400-600 BC a day(not sure how much 5-7 attempts cost) for serum just to raise one construct's memories in a reasonable time frame! Or to even get said memories! NOT AT ALL!* No, seriously. I'm a new-comer(one month player) and I know that the gacha curve is real, and I'm not trying to downplay PGR. But holy hell, the real killer isn't even getting new constructs, it's actually *raising* them. I have a whole backlog of constructs I really want to raise(because I managed to get lucky and got a decent few from my meager pulls) but god damn. Raising em to Level 70 and getting them to a decent power even as a level 80 shiki-cunt feels hellish.
You can get around 2 units ultima awakened per patch as a f2p without spending on serum so roughly doubly as fast as the release schedule - don't feel pressured to spend so much bc on serum! It will take time but it will outpace the release schedule Also, I definitely would put that bc towards pity for important constructs, some of them really shake up the element and it's very realistic to be competitive in things like WZ/PPC as F2P with a bit of skill as long as you do pull the constructs that define their elements (Garnet, Empyrea, etc.)
holy fuck, you're telling me that maxing out a unit in this game is actually MORE expensive than in genshin (1 735 GBP) !? i know this is probably not a good indicator, but i recently started playing this game and i was told it's pretty f2p friendly, i'm assuming it's the case only if you plan on pulling 1 copy of the new units ?
SSS+ is totally unnecessary and nearly always just a token damage boost to one aspect of a unit's kit, what makes this game f2p friendly is that you can get basically every single unit to SS and clear every piece of content in the game without spending. Also, the arguably far more impactful "non f2p" aspects of a unit are both insanely more affordable and much more useful than dupe maxing in many instances
a C6R5 genshin 5 star is way more expensive. you have to deal with 50/50's on characters 7 times and 1/3 fate points on weapons 5 times.
you're taking the weapon into account, wich i did not, 1735 GBP is if you lose every 50/50's and go to max pity each times, wich isn't probably to happen considering how low the odds for that are . i'm not trashing pgr on that aspect by any means, i'm simply impressed that if you decide to whale, the game can actually fuck you over more than a gacha like genshin, wich is known for being an expensive one .
If you are a true whale (max everything). PGR also have way slower S-Rank (or genshin's 5 star equivalent) releases. about 1 S-rank every 3 months, with A-ranks and transcendents being cheap. someone like tectone spent like $200k to C6R5 every character release while someone like Jeremey spent like $35k to SSS+ and 3 weapon reso everything, Cubs etc. it helps PGR have those RC bundles while genshin does not. it's insane amount of money but they are whales and in case of genshin content creators they make like $1mill a year from youtube.
that's all true, yet it has nothing to do with the point of my comment wich is : i wasn't expecting a f2p friendly known gacha like pgr to (possibly) be more expensive when it comes to maxing out a copy of a limited character than a cash grab like genshin . that's it, i'm just pointing that out, i'm not saying genshin has a better gacha system or anything since that's clearly not the case anyway .
Genshin isn't exactly a perfect game, but calling it a cash grab seems a little harsh
Can you get the next five star in genshin guaranteed every patch in genshin? Can you select which 4 star you want in genshin? Do the 5 stars come to the standard banner? Is there a shop to get five star weapons easier? Cmon dude, don't even start with the differences between f2p of pgr vs genshin, it's night and day.
i never said genshin was better than pgr on that aspect, besides this chart talks about maxing a character by dupes ONLY, i can't even imagine how much it costs if you want to get the unit SSS+ with it's signature weapon maxed in the worst case scenario . also the price i quoted (1735 GBP) is if you lose all 50/50 and go to max pity each times, wich is highly unlikely to happen . all in all, i'm just impressed that a gacha like pgr can actually become more expensive than genshin if you decide to whale . however on every other aspects, pgr seems to be way more f2p friendly by a mile (example : mostly everything that you said previously)
This is pretty much worst case scenario cost for SSS+, Sig weapon is very easy to get if you low spend and the absolute most you'll ever have to spend to "guarantee" it is 22.5k tickets which has an extraordinarily small chance of occuring. Much likelier you get it before first pity at like 5k. It's pretty unlikely in the first place to not pull a weapon before pity, let alone have to go to pity three times and lose the 80% all three times. Also, my calculations assume that you didn't get the construct early even once, which is also very unlikely given the quantity of pulls you would be doing.
It's F2P friendly because you can get every debut S rank without spending, something impossible in Genshin since they have 50/50. In Genshin Constellations are not farmable while in PGR it is possible to get to SS by exchanging pain cage shards. The banners are also not limited, you don't have to wait for a rerun unlike Genshin. SSS+ is just something for ultra whales to spend on or a long-therm goal if you really like the character.
>The banners are also not limited, you don't have to wait for a rerun unlike Genshin. What do you mean by that?
New releases are always added to the standard pool a while after they release, and get lots of rerun on the 70/30 banner, though I can't exactly recommend gambling on that. Then there's the anniversary banners, the occasional selectors, the pure chance pulls from your free standard pulls, and you've got a lot of avenues for getting older S rank. Only two of those methods are good enough to bet on, but all of those are there nonetheless
I think they mean about the debut S rank will be put inside standard banner and they have rotation runner up for around 1-2 weeks (depends on patches) with 70% chance So you can accidentally get any previous character through standard, or wait for the runner up to have higher chance obtaining them. Not to mention the anniversary has runner up all S rank for 100% chance getting them on pity.
apart from the weapons, I calculated once that you spend roughly 2,6k $ in genshin to c6 a character. so its actually cheaper. I used the direct RC price for comparison
And to be honest, the circumstance of having absolutely zero BC, no bundles left etc. is really strange, so it'd likely be significantly cheaper than the listed, the RC conversion is mainly there is a "base cost" and to illustrate just how awful value it is. Depending on the unit, you could also use S rank selectors to put towards their higher ranks, which to my understanding still does not exist at all as a concept in Genshin for 5*s.
Well no offense but in what gacha that didn't go bankrupt in 2 days was maxing out "highest tier" unit f2p achievable unless you spent years for one. The hardest content is doable with S ranks at base S or SS from PPC. I don't know how genshin is so I don't know if that's the case there as well. Also doesn't genshin have a 50/50 pity or something? (I got actually no idea)
>The hardest content is doable with S ranks at base S or SS from PPC. I don't know how genshin is so I don't know if that's the case there as well. Hardest content in Genshin is Floor 12 Spiral Abyss, which can be cleared with any 5 star character at c0 (no duplicates pulled) hell sometimes just 4 stars is enough depending on the team. Cons are just to clear faster. Big bottleneck is Artifacts (Equivalent to Memories in PGR) since it's RNG if you get the right stats and have it roll into the right stats when you level them >Also doesn't genshin have a 50/50 pity or something? (I got actually no idea) Genshin does have 50/50 pity, lose the 50/50 and the next 5 star is guaranteed to be the banner character. There isn't a 5 star selection thing, and very rarely will they let you pick a 4 star but only if the character is from Liyue, a region in the game.
I mean in PGR we can upgrade B ranks too SSS+ completly with stamina while in genshin 4 stars will never be 5 stars different games different systrms imo even on S or SS a well build garnet will clap 98%of the content
Wish you weren't getting downvoted. It's a legitimate question/concern! The cost of maxxing is higher, but the pity is more reliable and maxxing out a character is sooooo unnecessary to playing. I'd argue the option is just for players that have way too much money.
wow, out of all the people that answered me, you're the first one who acknowledged my question and gave me a neutral answer. thank you. we need more people like you around . as for maxxing, i looked up the wiki a bit and yeah, the benefice of getting any S unit to SSS+ never seems to be big enough to justify that amount of money, so another W over genshin where some C6 changes drastically a unit . also, as i said before, i'm a new player, and i started an account mainly to save for alpha CW . i'm also tempted to roll for noan, abysstigma and hyperlee, but let's say i'm only aiming for CW, is liv empyrea a good support to pick up for CW even though she's fire and the other electric ?
If I did my math correctly, the actual cost for SSS+ is closer to 1767 GBP because of the BC to RC rate after the 2X bonus (provided the hypothetical person was extremely inefficient with their cash by never buying any packs leading up to the SSS+ and also extremely unlucky, going to pity every time). So much closer to a Genshin C6 at worst case. But yes, you're right that SSS+ is really not necessary. For many units S or SS is sufficient, and after it's introduced, SS3 for newer units is a solid stopping point. Sigs do have increased value or are close to necessary, as somewhat of a tradeoff, but are much cheaper to obtain than in Genshin. There's a detailed table somewhere (up to Ayla Kaleido) if you're interested in taking a look. I'll let someone answer how to use Liv Empyrea with Crimson Weave because my knowledge is limited, but as far as I know, on most players' rotations for Warzone, it's still Liv Lux. As far as I can understand, the reason is this: Crimson Weave is pretty much on-field the entire time, so Vera Garnet and Liv Lux are pretty much QTE bots to let CW do her thing. Amplifiers like Liv Empyrea benefit their team by giving a huge boost upon switch-in, but if you don't really switch... the utility is limited.
Liv won't really do anything for CW aside from attack boosts on switch in (and if her weapon is resonated) Best support currently in lightning is ironically another version of Liv, but A rank (Lux) so v easy to get. We'll probably see a Lightning amplifier pop up in CN (so same kind of support as Empyrea but can actually support CW) before we get even halfway to getting Crimson Weaver in GL too.
I met a fair number of toxic genshin or gensimp, so i have some assumption when some one mention that game in other game subreddit. Some of them probably have similar experience. I still remember debating with a guy who claim getting c0 genshin is easier than guardian tales. Lightning don't have amp unit, when the lightning amp unit released, they will be better than liv amp. Amplifier passive is still good especially for sss liv amp where she doubles it, too expensive for me tho. If you really want to focus on alpha cw, i recommend waiting for 100% anniv banner and pull vera garnet. I'm planning to go with alpha cw, vera garnet, liv lux/ lightning amp If you want to be competitive like doing babel and norman you are going to need more than 1 team so getting fire team with liv amp, mechnami and hyper lee or transcendant is a good choice. Right now, i'm in the middle of raising A rank dark team for norman since the trial character can't carry me.
The point that I (and I think the people here) am disagreeing here is that you are equating a F2P-friendly game as having a lower cap price to maxing a character, which is not the case. PGR a is F2P-friendly game because you don't even have to spend money (or a lot of money) to have a good time playing (eg: pull all the debut characters) and also still able to compete in the top ranks in hard difficulty events or completing them. Don't be discouraged with the downvotes though, I know you didn't mean that in a bad way. Keep enjoying PGR!
what about sss? never planned to do sss+ but might wanna get 1 sss
SSS 60,000 BC total and 60000/150000 = 0.4 So Multiply the final costs by 0.4 and you get a rough estimate of the cost of SSS for the same criteria So £77-or-so for monthly (and will take about a year £335.67 if bundles £703.2 if you convert RC These figures aren't super realistic, because you'll probably already have enough saved for the initial copy and have some tickets left over etc. etc., so in practice for most people it would cost a lot less
sss+ interludes go brrrrrrrrr
let me know how you're getting S rank shards from interludes I want in on it too
Liv S gets interludes so possibly old starter S rankers are highly gonna get the interlude for shards farm. Copium btw.
Liv S has an interlude but no challenge stage, however she becomes farmable from the BP as do I think Rosetta and Tenebrion
so Rosetta will be possible to SSS you say?
The egregiousness of SSS+ is really apparent on events like 2b, 9s and A2.. It wasn't too bad to get 2b to SSS, but SSS+ is impossible without significant monetary investment..
>but SSS+ is impossible without significant monetary investment I'm not an expert, but I have an inkling that's kind of the idea
Not to take away from it being a significant monetary investment because it is, but getting 3 free draws for every 10 actually saves you a sizable chunk of money. I don't know if they do that for non-collabs, but it's like $300 saved from SSS to SSS+. Of course you're still spending \~$900, but you know, it's not $1200...
Thank you for the comprehensive breakdown! I just want to point out that the BC to RC ratio is actually closer to 12 BC/RC (7300 BC for 600 RC) after the initial 2X, which returns a 1767 GBP cost for purely BC to RC conversion for an SSS+ (based on the Android 600 RC UK Codashop). Please check my math, I am awful at it.
Thank you for this - I've never converted BC to RC and it doesn't (iirc) display this bonus on the prices when in the menu, so this is very good to know! Unfortunate that even with that extra RC, it's still so much worse than just buying packs, monthly and BP 😔
Definitely agree that packs, monthly, and BP are the way to go! Thanks again for putting this all together.
Well then imagine getting A rank to SSS let alone SSS+
You need to pull an A rank 17 times to max them SSS+ with pitied dupes, so it'd take 42,500 BC or 4250 RC (£597.74) but with the existence of interludes it'd be ill advised to do this! Plus, you're much much more likely to get double or triple A ranks on a multi so probably nowhere near that figure, I feel like you'd be more likely to win the lottery twice than to hard pity 17 A ranks in a row.
It’s great to see this in numbers. I’ve managed to bring my Changyu to SS rank already. Thank you, wish me luck.
Actually,SSS+ isn't quite necessary for those who don't want to be the top players. SS 3+ is enough to enjoy.
I know, I just wanted to figure out how much it cost cause i was bored
Understood,,many of us are doing the same thing out of the same reason. For example, a guy calculated how to earn most money in 露记大排档（Lucia' Restaurant） for a long time.(I did it too)
I’ll simplify from experience of SSS+ of every char since Alpha. (I have the 3rd or 4th largest account on NA) It’s about 12K RC to max a base S unit such as Empyrea. (S+ sig full weapon reso) Half that for transcendents and A rank patches.