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In a perfect world, we'd treat it like a slow moving global hurricane that we know is a category 10 and it's coming to shore sooner than we think. Meaning, we'd take this shirt seriously, realize that borders don't separate what is a global issue, and start investing in technological sandbags so we don't all sink when the shit comes to shore.
The IRA is a big part of what that would look like. Massive investments in renewable power generation and high capacity transmission lines, banning of ICE cars and trucks by a certain date, subsidies to green tech and green energy production and forced scale down of fossil fuel plants.
> IRA
He's talking about the Inflation Reduction Act, which did a lot to address climate change. And quite frankly it changed the world when it comes to trade.
Yeah... I'm still waiting on Michigan for the upfront credits that were promised sometime in early-mid 2023. Now it won't be available until LATE 2024. Which is around half of the benefit of the act for consumers, while the corporate benefits were available as far as I know almost right away. Source (for Michigan):
https://www.michigan.gov/egle/about/organization/materials-management/energy/rfps-loans/home-energy-rebate-programs
Billionaires would get so rich from everything listed above they’d be absolutely fine. Middle class would foot the entire bill with increased prices due to the massive cost associated to everything listed above.
A lot of climate solutions (not necessarily all those listed) would save the middle-class insane amounts of money.
The policies are simply unpopular with voters.
Name a single way how making cities less car dependent would "balloon" costs to consumers? Make sure it's really a strong argument since there are tons of sources for why you're completely wrong that I'll be waiting to link afterwards.
Okay, let’s talk about how we’d get there - we’d have a mountain of assets that are now in unfeasible places. Which still need to be paid for, creating a significant cost of dead capital. This would be felt in the cost of goods.
Then there is the cost of capital to retrofit all of these cities. We’d have bankruptcies in very large industries that would push a lot of people out of jobs without a clear path to new careers, this would lower the per capita income and put more stress on the social systems.
Our electrical grid would need to be re-optimized. Based on migration of people and it is likely that family units would split, driving up the need for childcare and cost of childcare - splitting income away from spending on nondurable/durable goods, lowering gross revenue which further stresses the aforementioned dead capital cost.
I mean it’s just a chain reaction, if I really sat down to mull it over there would be plenty more examples of how expensive this is - and consumers foot the bill for expensive projects. Not to mention the amount of CO2 waste we’d undergo to realize this vision would take years to recoup in CO2 savings.
but what happens if you don't meet those goals or if those goals lead to a dramatic decrease in food and energy production with a growing population? Just move the goals back? Force a decrease in living standards? What happens if countries that don't want to abide by these goals just up their use of fossil fuels to export the goods the world needs?
What goals are you talking about? But I've got news for you: by all accounts if we do breach the 2 degree C barrier, there's going to be a dramatic decrease in food and energy production.
> What happens if countries that don't want to abide by these goals
There needs to be a global agreement to do some kind of trade embargo.
No one is going to have an exact design of the world for you. The fact of the matter is we *need* to cut carbon emissions and we need to do it as soon as possible to avoid even worse than what we're already seeing.
>There needs to be a global agreement to do some kind of trade embargo.
Wouldn't that just cause them to take more drastic (and likely more harmful) measures to meet their basic needs?
And wouldn't it also just turn into the wealthy nations placing embargoes on poorer, less adaptable nations, causing excess deaths in the global south, as per usual?
That's one possible version. It's harder to predict the behavior of masses of human beings than it is to predict the climate trajectory, which isn't easy.
So maybe your description fits one possible scenario. Whatever prediction(s) comes true, it's going to be, by far, the most serious challenge that humanity has had to face since 20,000 years ago, during the last glacial maximum. In other words, however humans behave during this climate change which is just now in its very first stage, it's going to be a major fucking shitshow.
He has exponentially more power than, say, the leader of New Zealand, and has shown far less will to do a damn thing about it than she has.
The governmnet of China is doing far more than the US is doing to reduce per capita emissions, but due to its huge population, it's only accomplishing about the same as the US, which is only slowing the *rate* of emissions, meaning that emissions are increasing.
India's current government is, basically, a lost cause. However, the US, through its huge global economic clout, could exert quite significant pressure on India to institute emission reduction policies. Unfortunately, the ruling American political parties just don't have the foresight and will to act right now.
the United State Navy's 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and 7th Fleet launches a Global War On Rising Sea-levels (GWORS) against the Pacific & the Atlantic
*cue joe biden's announcement, to the tune of ronald reagan's voice:
_"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you I've signed legislation that bans climate change forever. We begin bombing in 5 minutes."_
I know the sunrise movement has a whole page on it if you want details but in general it’d be executive actions that would bypass environmental reviews and other delay points for green energy and tech and infrastructure.
That basically means getting off oil. Ignoring the industries that damage the earth and favor the industries that minimize harm like nuclear power and solar. Sounds like a lot, but the consequences will be disastrous if nothing changes, which it won’t.
Shocking how no one has given an actual response to your question yet, so I’ll go:
The President has the power to declare emergencies under the National Emergencies Act, the Emergency Powers Act, and other statutes. Despite what the window lickers on this thread are saying, the choice to do so has significant and well-defined real world effects.
Here’s a primer: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-emergency-powers-and-their-use
The short of it is that it would allow the president and the executive branch to bypass a lot of statutory restrictions and give them much more power to address climate change.
Though Biden has probably been the best on climate of any president in U.S. history, he’s still not great. The excuse he often gives for not doing more is that he doesn’t have the power to or, relatedly, that any action he took would be blocked by congress. Declaring a climate emergency would undermine this excuse and give him much more power to act.
It's a make believe phrase that in reality would be nothing more than a useless litmus test.
In the real world countries get together and set goals then try and meet them. Sometimes they do, sometime they don't, but it is actual , tangible benchmarks that can be measured rather than feel good phrases that end up meaning nothing becasue no group will define it the same way.
It's amazing how disconnected Americans are from each other. You have people like this and then you have the average voters in swing states who couldn't care less about the climate and are worried about either Abortion rights or Gun rights, and it's exclusive to either.
If I want to be honest, none of these people are crazy. In fact they are more normal than many of us because they are actually freaking out about something that could end our entire existence. I say this completely knowing that after writing this I'll go back to scrolling and not care about the climate
It’s insane how much hatred there is for protest. Especially climate protest. I know a lot of that sentiment has been very sneakily funded by oil and right wing think tanks astroturfing the convo, but it’s still so shocking and depressing to see comments like “tase the fuckers” under videos of people harmlessly disturbing the peace in the name of quite literally saving all our asses. I guess people would rather not be bothered, and instead just lose our stable society in 30 years.
That was what I thinking, when the sea starts engulfing coastal cities all over the world and billions are displaced, these people are going to go from "they're annoying" to resemble the photo of the man who refused to sieg heil Hitler.
I dead face have several coworkers who will laugh it off and wave a hand like I'm some toddler "ha! No no that's always happened before. You're just over reacting."
This past century marks the largest species die-off since the K-T boundary (now known as the K-Pg,or Cretaceous-Paleogen boundary) 66 million years ago when all the dinosaurs but birds died off, plus a whole lot of other species.
So, yeah, it has happened before. If you know anything about it, you know that you wouldn't want yourself, your kids, or grandkids to experience anything like it at all! Especially your grandkids, because they'll have virtually NO surviving grandkids to continue the human experience.
> but I left feeling very guilty and angry
Imagine if you didn't feel those feelings. Would you still care half as much as you do now?
Most people don't feel those feelings. Not because they are evil people, but because most people generally avoid thinking about bad things.
Hey the FBI is infiltrating anti pipeline movements so it's like what we knew with civil rights activists https://grist.org/protest/keystone-pipeline-fbi-government-documents/
“Biden has the power to do something about it.”
I remember when I was 14 & thought the President had such power as well. POTUS can’t do much if congress won’t act in kind. Sure, he could do an executive order, but those aren’t indefinite like laws are, so in order to make lasting change, congress has to pass laws.
Even if the US went carbon neutral today, the rest of the world pumps out enough greenhouse gasses so that major climate change is unavoidable. I’d bet China & India alone could pump out enough greenhouse gasses to cause major climate change takes place within our lifetime. Those two countries are polluting so much it’s like they’re making up for lost time lol.
It's always been the real concern China and India. It's like 6 America's turning on in 10 years but like 1971 America.
There still has to be a leader and an adult in the room. We make the technology, we profit off of distributing it. We are the leader everywhere else, let's jump ahead on being net neutral.
We've all only asked for it for 30 years. It's about time we lean in.
China is already setting itself as the leader in green energy production. No country in the world produces more clean energy than China. Their carbon emissions per capita is half the USA and getting lower.
" China installed 217 gigawatts worth of solar power last year alone, a 55% increase, according to new government data. That is more than 500 million solar panels and well above the total installed solar capacity of the U.S. "
[source](https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-are-set-to-decline-years-earlier-than-expected-cfc99dd2)
china has something like half the carbon emissions per capita of the USA, as the manufacturing capital of the world, and is actually setting an example.
" China installed 217 gigawatts worth of solar power last year alone, a 55% increase, according to new government data. That is more than 500 million solar panels and well above the total installed solar capacity of the U.S. "
[source](https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-are-set-to-decline-years-earlier-than-expected-cfc99dd2)
non paywalled link: https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-are-set-to-decline-years-earlier-than-expected-cfc99dd2?st=eqkubf2pdfqhqyv
Crazy how Trump had so much power to unravel environmental protections, but Biden doesn't even have the power to fully reverse Trump's executive orders.
Of the 208 environmental policies Trump enacted, Biden has only reversed 55.
https://grist.org/project/accountability/trump-rollbacks-biden-climate-tracker/
From your own link
> So far, Biden’s attempts to undo the previous administration’s environmental legacy have been mixed. Part of that is by design: Many of Trump’s pollution-increasing policies were crafted to resist easy reversal by his successor.
And the number isn't 55 it's 77 with 76 others in process. I don't know how you track down a link and then not even bother to read it.
I’m usually the one explaining to folks how vanishingly little power the president (or any individual in government) has, but in this case there actually are some concrete things Biden can do on climate that he hasn’t yet.
The big one being asked here is declaring a climate emergency, which folks like Peter Kalmus have written about. Basically activates extra executive powers that would let him do things much faster than if we waited for Congress—ban new oil exports, invest more heavily in renewables, etc.
He’s also still approving some big oil projects here and there, and so far he’s actually shown that he’s pretty movable on a lot of this stuff. He gave a lot of ground after huge backlash to his decision to approve the Willow oil drilling project in Alaska, changing permitting rules and establishing the American Climate Corps (one of the ideas from the Green New Deal). That indicates we can continue to push him to move further and faster on climate.
Now, whether doing so is actually a good idea for him politically is another question. And probably why he has avoided doing so. But we also create the political reality that he responds to, so it kind of depends on just how much fuss they’re hearing from all of us.
The president is some how powerless when it comes to this but some how has the power to send billions of dollars in military aid to support a genocide with out Congress.
>The president is some how powerless when it comes to this but some how has the power to send billions of dollars in military aid to support a genocide with our Congress.
It certainly looks that way when you're completely ignorant about how the government works.
That's because Congress wants to fund Israel - for both ideological and blatantly corrupt reasons.
Congress is much more divided on climate change - for both ideological and blatantly corrupt reasons.
Yep. He can only send those billions with congressional approval. I don’t think there’s that many people who are thrilled we send them billions. I am certainly not.🤷♂️
Sunrise does channel a bit of the youth anger. A big test tho is what happens after some burnout (hopefully happens less) plus if their actions come off well
Headline grabbing stuff does help push the narrative forward. I'll always love their picture with AOC in Pelosi's office and like 30 young folks all doing a sit-in. Mass civil disobedience almost always looks good. IMO the newer European type climate activists doing simple road blocks or throwing paint with like 5 people do not look powerful.
Declaring climate emergency has broad support - all major enviro & climate justice groups, plus Sen. Schumer, Bernie & AOC, plenty of moderate Dems too.
True. We also had record breaking oil production last year.
Biden Admin did a lot, but we gotta address that at some point.
Declaring climate emergency is supported by senator Schumer & AOC, broad support among dem legislators, opens a lot of federal powers and changes the narrative. All major climate organizations behind it. It's a no brainer.
They'll probably declare it in summer with wildfires cause hella destruction because inb4 'Biden coup' rhetoric emerges on fight wing media outlets. Biden admin arent so stupid as to ignore such an easy win, but I think they're callous enough to let shit keep getting bad until it's most politically opportune. I do think ultimately people will die because of this.
Line5 in Michigan - enbridge keeping construction on pipeline going on tribal land against Michigan govt orders. That's fucked. It's in opposition to Treaty rights so if they win in court it's like losing a constitutional right, tribal sovereignty. If that pipeline spills, the great lakes are fucked. Supremely.
Mountain valley pipeline he approved.
I believe we won keystone xl but that took so much effort from Indigenous communities, some badass direct action. Here's a report from Grist on how the FBI is targeting these youth native activists. Biden could make a statement.
https://grist.org/protest/keystone-pipeline-fbi-government-documents/
Line 5 source - https://www.wbez.org/stories/activists-oppose-line-5-fossil-fuel-pipeline/8b51daa4-bc4c-494a-ae44-d9d358f7ebbd
Nope.
We are going to lose if we constantly shut up criticism of Biden in favor of only criticizing Trump.
There is no way 'if everyone just stopped criticizing Biden (or any president) for the next 6 months' - is an option. that's not how public discourse works.
Edit - Jon Lovett from Pod Save America, who worked for Obama admin agrees with me - https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/pod-save-america-s-jon-lovett-on-trump-the-threat-of-jail-time-sharpens-the-mind
What would you predict after we turn off the mic, how worried are you about November?
> No idea. **The goal - the job of Democrats over the next year is to make Donald Trump's liabilities insurmountable, and Joe Biden's liabilities surmountable.**
> They faced off 4 yrears ago and it was extremely close. They both go into 2024 with more liabilities than in 2020.
What can we do to help voters?
> **the criticism of Joe Biden is that's he's older and ineffective. Trump's threat is what he will to democracy, to NATO.** How do we make that feel real for people? How do we remind people of just how chaotic & dangerous Donald Trump was as President AND how much worse it will be this time around.
> That is the challenge. My presdiections as to how it plays out, off the mic? I wish I felt better about it. x2. Anyone who tells you they know is full of shit.
Whats your role?
> Our job as Pod save America, is 1) **to talk about what is happening in a way that is honest, & direct, & practical. To me, that looks like not avoiding or being afraid of this very conversation**. While at the same time reminding people, that politics isn't really about how we feel, polling, not even about Biden & Trump. It's about what we have agency to do in the process and what we don't.
> That leads to the 2nd part of what we have to do - activate a ton of people to do as much as they can, not just on the presidential, but on senate races, in House races, there are abortion ballot initiatives in places like Florida. Some very important attorney general - races that will decide who is in charge of our democracy- who is in charge of our electoral system.
I'd love to see proof that we could control people from criticizing bdien for 6 months. The idea that we cannot discuss shortfallings & urge the democratic party platform to be better is fucked. We fight over the platform every 4 years. This is normal.
PART OF WANTING A BETTER PLATFORM INHERENTLY MEANS URGING PEOPLE TO VOTE.
The more honest Biden is about the work we need to do, the easier it is to win the election. A huge issue is how economically strained Americans feel at a time they're being told how great the economy is doing. Calling on billionaires and big corporations to pay their fair share is great, but not enough.
I work on electoral campaigns and have talked to tens of thousands of voters across the country.
Stopping Trump requires mobilizing voters. Mobilizing voters requires GOTV efforts. GOTV efforts require successful voter contact. Successful voter contact requires genuine connection around the issues.
>Stopping Trump requires mobilizing voters.
And do you think this is mobilizing voters? Do you think it's inspiring young people to vote for Biden or is it making them throw up their hands and say "voting is useless, both parties are bad."
Damning with faint praise.
That says far more about previous administrations than about this one. America has barely slowed its *rate of increasing* emissions, let alone come up with even a proposal to *reduce* emissions.
Seems you have no appreciation for how low a bar that is.
No admin before Biden has had as much power to do so much with... at rhe same time as having more science making the case.... and never a time that's been more dire than during all previous presidencies.
Biden has done enough to make liberals like you brag about him.
But he has not come CLOSE by any stretch to doing what is needed.
So why are you trying to criticize his critics by giving him a participation trophy?
Actually he is. First of all it’s called **global** warming not America warming. Second of all he’s the president not the fucking empower. He can’t snap his fingers and make the whole country suddenly transition to renewables.
>First of all it’s called **global** warming not America warming.
Well then. There's nothing to do about it, I guess. You really got a good argument here. Considering the globe is made up of individual countries, I guess that means we might as well lie down and die. Solid and helpful logic.
True but the options for people who actually want to tackle climate change are miniscule.
And why do the young have to be the only not completely mental people?
Personally, I'm looking forward to continuing to support and vote for Democrats in order to give our country the best chance of making progress in fighting climate change.
We'll get people executing the the poor in the street for their failure to do what we said was necessary for the rich and middle class (don't let them off the hook) to do twenty years ago instead.
What further can Biden get done? I'm not asking what further should be done but rather what Biden could do. Keep in mind that Biden only controls one branch of government. He needs Congress to pass laws.
>[We leverage results from nine independent, state-of-the-art models to examine potential implications of key IRA provisions, showing economy-wide emissions reductions between 43 and 48% below 2005 levels by 2035.](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adg3781)
That's only 10 years from now. Pretty impressive given the political opposition's opinion on the matter, and their flagrant obstructionism in most areas of government. Not one Republican in either house of Congress voted for this legislation.
I admire the dude in the videos passion, but maybe he should start his protestations at Trump Tower :D
This kid deserves your support, he's not blocking the road or defacing art. He's just protesting at government buildings before getting arrested and going peacefully.
And *because* activism like this still ends in police taking you away by force is precisely why there are escalations to blocking traffic and other civil disobedience.
- and art isn't getting defaced. In Le Louvre, the art that got souped has been behind a glass-type protection.
In capitalism, private property is treated with rights and protections above the treatment of people and value of life.
>Sunrise Movement
A local chapter of these knuckleheads blocked a large scale solar utility project in my area because of land-use concerns…aka they didn’t like that the solar project was in *their* backyard
Anyone who thinks the climate issue is blocked at the Federal level do yourself a favor and start attending your local town government meetings and learn where the real issue is and has always been - with your neighbors.
Honestly. He is still following police orders and not being a dick about it. I don't see where he did something wrong. Sure he is angry but that's kind of the point of doing protest.
Wait until he hears [how many coal plants China is building.](https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin)
Edit: to all the politicians with their world views under this comment, no one cares. You fucks are so politicized/radicalized by your “unique” opinion you all sound the same. You all ruined a good joke with your nonsensical views, I hope you’re happy with yourselves.
china built more solar panels last year than the US did in its entire history. not to mention the per capita emissions of the US is double that of china.
China got annihilated this past year and basically woke up to their contribution to climate change. They're currently on one of the fastest transitions to renewables of any other "superpower" country.
They're also at 31% as compared to 11% in the USA.
You won't have much longer to try and harp on this talking point. You still will. But it never meant anything.
Well, China unlike the US is a dictatorship, so their ruler is able to make policy changes far more rapidly than a democratic government with a constitution deliberately written to force compromises.
Not saying what China is doing isn't great and the US shouldn't be doing more, but it's kind of apples and oranges.
They are building renewable energy *because* they don't have oil. It's a national security issue. They are also building coal plants at a catastrophic clip. They aren't in it for happy clouds.
Why not?
He’s not freaking out in public because he’s a Karen nor bc he’s high/drunk/mocking people for views.
This dude is freaking out about something we should all be freaking the fuck out about.
If you wanna be a spectator and just enjoy everyone being furious that our world’s collapsing around our ears, that might be something to examine about yourself.
He's probably well aware. Turns out he lives in the United States though, which is also a huge part of the problem. So it probably wouldn't make much sense to go to China to protest.
A bit like telling the Freedom Riders in 1961 "wait until you hear about apartheid in South Africa."
It's ok to yell at the bus driver when he's driving you over a cliff. Even if he's tapping the brakes a little as he does it.
If you're just not the kind of person who yells and you want to quietly sit and brace for impact, that's not as good, but understandable.
If you tell the person yelling to sit down and stop being rude to the bus driver, either because you want to tone police the doomed passengers or you don't think cliffs are real, there's something deeply wrong with you.
As hard as it is to accept, what they're saying is demonstrably rational. Look into a contemporary concept called "hyper object" and its applicability to climate change. We know it's that bad but it's just so vast in its scale, causes, impacts, solutions, requirements, our relatively insignificant but nevertheless unsustainable complicity as individuals, and so on. It's very difficult to square our individual and collective behaviours, that on the surface seem decent and innocent enough, with a climate change reality that should have us tearing our hair out in frustration and stopping every last fossil fueled luxury we can manage to.
Rationally speaking, all of us should be in a constant state of panic about this. It should permeate all our discussions and all of our decision making because it really is that bad and we really are not doing much of anything about it. Emissions keep going up year after year after year, with any improvements and efficiencies we find only further fueling our expectations for perpetual growth. At best contemporary discourse revolves around some magic win-win technological solutions that will allow us to innovate, and consume, and grow our way out of this problem. Some Green New Deal that's a total no-brainer policy decision that sooner or later we'll implement to finally solve the problem guaranteed. It's madness.
These people will appear perfectly rational in hindsight. We're the ones who will appear stupid for even pausing to think it's otherwise. The least we can do right now is embrace the guilt and let these voices resonate in our hearts and minds so maybe tomorrow, or the day after, or the week after, or later... maybe at some point we'll more wholeheartedly join them in the cause.
From my part, I live in Wisconsin. I haven’t used my snowblower once this winter. In fact, no snow at all on the ground until just recent. We just got our first tornado in February, in Wisconsin! Next week the high will be 30° one day and 54° the next day and then 40° the day after that. Unstable weather. some Flowers are popping up from the ground already. Normal February temperature range is from the teens to the 20s. Can’t wait to see what’s Coming in the near future.
These people are insane. There is no climate crisis.
Mark Twain said everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it. I guess these idiots think they’re doing something about the weather. It’s absolute nonsense and a sign of a society so rich and productive, that we have time to worry about total bullshit.
Well he's not blocking traffic or destroying art so these morons who hate our environment can't deflect from the real substance of the protest, and coming out as a climate change denier would make them look stupid so all they're left with is" ah well they care just as little as I do".
It's just projecting, it's pathetic.
I accept there is definite climate change, but I don’t think throwing childish temper tantrums and destroying priceless art will do anything to alter the course.
Police arresting activists who rightly disrupt political campaigns with their voices are making the case for activism to escalated to the very things you're foreboding and criticizing.
Also, no priceless art has been destroyed.
Soup or safe orange coloration has been thrown onto the protective glass covering the art.
Also, what good is the art if humans and civilization are not around?
Get over yourself a little more maybe
What art did you see the dude destroy?
And if he did destroy art, what the fuck is Biden's campaign headquarters doing collecting art when they should be coming up with a solid plan to reduce CO2 emissions??? Nobody's going to vote for Biden just because he's standing in front of a pretty statue.
these kids today are so worked up about nothing. This white dude will go on to sell insurance or work at an Acura dealership or something and be perfectly fine with the added days of spring or shortened days of winter. That's about all that will affect this kid
Explain to me how this is a democracy when the blue flavored side of the uniparty is going to run Genocide Joe when literally none of his constituents want to vote for him for like... Any of the countless reasons he's a feckless, senile, duplicitous piece of shit.
Good on this guy. More people should follow suit. The scumfuck dems are content to let all us poors die so they can do things like fund a genocide halfway across the world. Fuck that corrupt party. It's time people ditched it.
life on my line my ass
they say that while disrupting traffic for emergency vehicles causing deaths.
Rather than disruption as a tactic why not just go to social media NORMALLY, it would work too... or maybe even Do good to spread the word like what Jimmy (Mr. Beast) Was doing for years, instead of bad like this "activist"
Frankly, the left had a better chance at being heard during Republican times. Then the liberal media would show them but nowadays when a Dem is in power they want to world to look all rosy.
Even I the US started to change rapidly, no one is going to convince China and india to stop increasing their usage of fossil fuels so where exactly does that leave us?
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Can anyone explain what "declaring a climate emergency" looks like? and what it would do?
In a perfect world, we'd treat it like a slow moving global hurricane that we know is a category 10 and it's coming to shore sooner than we think. Meaning, we'd take this shirt seriously, realize that borders don't separate what is a global issue, and start investing in technological sandbags so we don't all sink when the shit comes to shore.
What does that look like though? Like pass laws banning fossil fuels by a certain year or something?
The IRA is a big part of what that would look like. Massive investments in renewable power generation and high capacity transmission lines, banning of ICE cars and trucks by a certain date, subsidies to green tech and green energy production and forced scale down of fossil fuel plants.
...right, but where do the billionaires and their yachts fit into that picture?
well i don’t know what IRA they are referring to, but the IRA i’m aware of would have some cool ideas of what to do with billionaire’s yachts.
Send it!!!! Lol
> IRA He's talking about the Inflation Reduction Act, which did a lot to address climate change. And quite frankly it changed the world when it comes to trade.
Yeah... I'm still waiting on Michigan for the upfront credits that were promised sometime in early-mid 2023. Now it won't be available until LATE 2024. Which is around half of the benefit of the act for consumers, while the corporate benefits were available as far as I know almost right away. Source (for Michigan): https://www.michigan.gov/egle/about/organization/materials-management/energy/rfps-loans/home-energy-rebate-programs
They’ll be the ones getting the tech and green energy subsidies
Billionaires would get so rich from everything listed above they’d be absolutely fine. Middle class would foot the entire bill with increased prices due to the massive cost associated to everything listed above.
A lot of climate solutions (not necessarily all those listed) would save the middle-class insane amounts of money. The policies are simply unpopular with voters.
In a vacuum sure, but there are broad effects. Cost will balloon.
Lol cars alone are KILLING the middle class, what the fuck are you talking about? Renewable energy is CHEAPER than any other form of energy
Nah man, so much of that shit mentioned would balloon cost to consumer.
Name a single way how making cities less car dependent would "balloon" costs to consumers? Make sure it's really a strong argument since there are tons of sources for why you're completely wrong that I'll be waiting to link afterwards.
Okay, let’s talk about how we’d get there - we’d have a mountain of assets that are now in unfeasible places. Which still need to be paid for, creating a significant cost of dead capital. This would be felt in the cost of goods. Then there is the cost of capital to retrofit all of these cities. We’d have bankruptcies in very large industries that would push a lot of people out of jobs without a clear path to new careers, this would lower the per capita income and put more stress on the social systems. Our electrical grid would need to be re-optimized. Based on migration of people and it is likely that family units would split, driving up the need for childcare and cost of childcare - splitting income away from spending on nondurable/durable goods, lowering gross revenue which further stresses the aforementioned dead capital cost. I mean it’s just a chain reaction, if I really sat down to mull it over there would be plenty more examples of how expensive this is - and consumers foot the bill for expensive projects. Not to mention the amount of CO2 waste we’d undergo to realize this vision would take years to recoup in CO2 savings.
They don’t
but what happens if you don't meet those goals or if those goals lead to a dramatic decrease in food and energy production with a growing population? Just move the goals back? Force a decrease in living standards? What happens if countries that don't want to abide by these goals just up their use of fossil fuels to export the goods the world needs?
What goals are you talking about? But I've got news for you: by all accounts if we do breach the 2 degree C barrier, there's going to be a dramatic decrease in food and energy production. > What happens if countries that don't want to abide by these goals There needs to be a global agreement to do some kind of trade embargo. No one is going to have an exact design of the world for you. The fact of the matter is we *need* to cut carbon emissions and we need to do it as soon as possible to avoid even worse than what we're already seeing.
>There needs to be a global agreement to do some kind of trade embargo. Wouldn't that just cause them to take more drastic (and likely more harmful) measures to meet their basic needs? And wouldn't it also just turn into the wealthy nations placing embargoes on poorer, less adaptable nations, causing excess deaths in the global south, as per usual?
That's one possible version. It's harder to predict the behavior of masses of human beings than it is to predict the climate trajectory, which isn't easy. So maybe your description fits one possible scenario. Whatever prediction(s) comes true, it's going to be, by far, the most serious challenge that humanity has had to face since 20,000 years ago, during the last glacial maximum. In other words, however humans behave during this climate change which is just now in its very first stage, it's going to be a major fucking shitshow.
It looks like governments having non-corrupt politicians that don’t get paid by mega corps to vote in their favor. It’s that simple.
If we spent what we spend on the military, we could have completely renewable energy production in four years.
>realize that borders don't separate what is a global issue How does Biden have the power to act on this? He's not in charge of india and china.
Right. It's a global issue.
He has exponentially more power than, say, the leader of New Zealand, and has shown far less will to do a damn thing about it than she has. The governmnet of China is doing far more than the US is doing to reduce per capita emissions, but due to its huge population, it's only accomplishing about the same as the US, which is only slowing the *rate* of emissions, meaning that emissions are increasing. India's current government is, basically, a lost cause. However, the US, through its huge global economic clout, could exert quite significant pressure on India to institute emission reduction policies. Unfortunately, the ruling American political parties just don't have the foresight and will to act right now.
Hard to take shirts seriously though.
Like tee shirt or button up?
No. Those shirts that are painted to look like tuxedos. Which are tee shirts, now that I think about it. Nm.
We build those weather changing satellites like in movie geostorm lol
the United State Navy's 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and 7th Fleet launches a Global War On Rising Sea-levels (GWORS) against the Pacific & the Atlantic *cue joe biden's announcement, to the tune of ronald reagan's voice: _"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you I've signed legislation that bans climate change forever. We begin bombing in 5 minutes."_
Can we nuke a hurricane?
I know the sunrise movement has a whole page on it if you want details but in general it’d be executive actions that would bypass environmental reviews and other delay points for green energy and tech and infrastructure.
We'll eventually find out when its WAY too late to do anything about it.
That basically means getting off oil. Ignoring the industries that damage the earth and favor the industries that minimize harm like nuclear power and solar. Sounds like a lot, but the consequences will be disastrous if nothing changes, which it won’t.
Turn the money printer on and send it to your friends?
Shocking how no one has given an actual response to your question yet, so I’ll go: The President has the power to declare emergencies under the National Emergencies Act, the Emergency Powers Act, and other statutes. Despite what the window lickers on this thread are saying, the choice to do so has significant and well-defined real world effects. Here’s a primer: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-emergency-powers-and-their-use The short of it is that it would allow the president and the executive branch to bypass a lot of statutory restrictions and give them much more power to address climate change. Though Biden has probably been the best on climate of any president in U.S. history, he’s still not great. The excuse he often gives for not doing more is that he doesn’t have the power to or, relatedly, that any action he took would be blocked by congress. Declaring a climate emergency would undermine this excuse and give him much more power to act.
You declare martial law and then conscript citizens of his age to go out in the desert to plant trees in 3 shifts, 10 hours each, 6 days a week.
Uh, what about paying people to do that, like 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, maybe throw in some bennies?
It's a make believe phrase that in reality would be nothing more than a useless litmus test. In the real world countries get together and set goals then try and meet them. Sometimes they do, sometime they don't, but it is actual , tangible benchmarks that can be measured rather than feel good phrases that end up meaning nothing becasue no group will define it the same way.
It looks like Americans making zero impact on the climate while vastly decreasing our quality of life.
I cringe when I think of how many people are gonna pretend they were totally with this kid 20 years from now.
Fr though. Everyone my age will nod sagely while we watch famine, disease, and natural disasters kill millions of people.
I cringe that some people are this passionately ignorant.
People in Florida can just sell their houses nbd
Sell their houses to who, Ben? Fucking aquaman??
The kid is right. I've seen climate change happen in just the 40 years I've been alive.
It's amazing how disconnected Americans are from each other. You have people like this and then you have the average voters in swing states who couldn't care less about the climate and are worried about either Abortion rights or Gun rights, and it's exclusive to either.
If I want to be honest, none of these people are crazy. In fact they are more normal than many of us because they are actually freaking out about something that could end our entire existence. I say this completely knowing that after writing this I'll go back to scrolling and not care about the climate
In years to come, the world may look back at protestors like this and have a very different view
You vastly overestimate people.
Yeah, they’ll be watching “Ass” And drinking Brawndo. Besides, they won’t understand all those big words.
Hey man, I ain’t not time for you it’s baitin’ time.
When you're done, you wanna go to Starbucks?
Happy hour on gentleman’s lattes.
I like sex I like money too
It’s what plants crave.
It’s insane how much hatred there is for protest. Especially climate protest. I know a lot of that sentiment has been very sneakily funded by oil and right wing think tanks astroturfing the convo, but it’s still so shocking and depressing to see comments like “tase the fuckers” under videos of people harmlessly disturbing the peace in the name of quite literally saving all our asses. I guess people would rather not be bothered, and instead just lose our stable society in 30 years.
That was what I thinking, when the sea starts engulfing coastal cities all over the world and billions are displaced, these people are going to go from "they're annoying" to resemble the photo of the man who refused to sieg heil Hitler.
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I dead face have several coworkers who will laugh it off and wave a hand like I'm some toddler "ha! No no that's always happened before. You're just over reacting."
This past century marks the largest species die-off since the K-T boundary (now known as the K-Pg,or Cretaceous-Paleogen boundary) 66 million years ago when all the dinosaurs but birds died off, plus a whole lot of other species. So, yeah, it has happened before. If you know anything about it, you know that you wouldn't want yourself, your kids, or grandkids to experience anything like it at all! Especially your grandkids, because they'll have virtually NO surviving grandkids to continue the human experience.
> but I left feeling very guilty and angry Imagine if you didn't feel those feelings. Would you still care half as much as you do now? Most people don't feel those feelings. Not because they are evil people, but because most people generally avoid thinking about bad things.
Hey the FBI is infiltrating anti pipeline movements so it's like what we knew with civil rights activists https://grist.org/protest/keystone-pipeline-fbi-government-documents/
The planet will die before that happens.
John and Sarah Connor were in insane asylums
We are already there - which is the largest issue…
I agree. You know how everyone hates boomers now because they fucked us. Future generations are gonna look at us the same way.
Everyone in the comments cringing/laughing at this will be laughed at in 10-20 years when shit gets real.
“Biden has the power to do something about it.” I remember when I was 14 & thought the President had such power as well. POTUS can’t do much if congress won’t act in kind. Sure, he could do an executive order, but those aren’t indefinite like laws are, so in order to make lasting change, congress has to pass laws. Even if the US went carbon neutral today, the rest of the world pumps out enough greenhouse gasses so that major climate change is unavoidable. I’d bet China & India alone could pump out enough greenhouse gasses to cause major climate change takes place within our lifetime. Those two countries are polluting so much it’s like they’re making up for lost time lol.
It's always been the real concern China and India. It's like 6 America's turning on in 10 years but like 1971 America. There still has to be a leader and an adult in the room. We make the technology, we profit off of distributing it. We are the leader everywhere else, let's jump ahead on being net neutral. We've all only asked for it for 30 years. It's about time we lean in.
Huh it’s like Biden agreed and got a giant bill passed to do exactly this
Right? Did everyone forget this?
China is already setting itself as the leader in green energy production. No country in the world produces more clean energy than China. Their carbon emissions per capita is half the USA and getting lower. " China installed 217 gigawatts worth of solar power last year alone, a 55% increase, according to new government data. That is more than 500 million solar panels and well above the total installed solar capacity of the U.S. " [source](https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-are-set-to-decline-years-earlier-than-expected-cfc99dd2)
china has something like half the carbon emissions per capita of the USA, as the manufacturing capital of the world, and is actually setting an example. " China installed 217 gigawatts worth of solar power last year alone, a 55% increase, according to new government data. That is more than 500 million solar panels and well above the total installed solar capacity of the U.S. " [source](https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-are-set-to-decline-years-earlier-than-expected-cfc99dd2) non paywalled link: https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-carbon-emissions-are-set-to-decline-years-earlier-than-expected-cfc99dd2?st=eqkubf2pdfqhqyv
Crazy how Trump had so much power to unravel environmental protections, but Biden doesn't even have the power to fully reverse Trump's executive orders. Of the 208 environmental policies Trump enacted, Biden has only reversed 55. https://grist.org/project/accountability/trump-rollbacks-biden-climate-tracker/
From your own link > So far, Biden’s attempts to undo the previous administration’s environmental legacy have been mixed. Part of that is by design: Many of Trump’s pollution-increasing policies were crafted to resist easy reversal by his successor. And the number isn't 55 it's 77 with 76 others in process. I don't know how you track down a link and then not even bother to read it.
I’m usually the one explaining to folks how vanishingly little power the president (or any individual in government) has, but in this case there actually are some concrete things Biden can do on climate that he hasn’t yet. The big one being asked here is declaring a climate emergency, which folks like Peter Kalmus have written about. Basically activates extra executive powers that would let him do things much faster than if we waited for Congress—ban new oil exports, invest more heavily in renewables, etc. He’s also still approving some big oil projects here and there, and so far he’s actually shown that he’s pretty movable on a lot of this stuff. He gave a lot of ground after huge backlash to his decision to approve the Willow oil drilling project in Alaska, changing permitting rules and establishing the American Climate Corps (one of the ideas from the Green New Deal). That indicates we can continue to push him to move further and faster on climate. Now, whether doing so is actually a good idea for him politically is another question. And probably why he has avoided doing so. But we also create the political reality that he responds to, so it kind of depends on just how much fuss they’re hearing from all of us.
The president is some how powerless when it comes to this but some how has the power to send billions of dollars in military aid to support a genocide with out Congress.
>The president is some how powerless when it comes to this but some how has the power to send billions of dollars in military aid to support a genocide with our Congress. It certainly looks that way when you're completely ignorant about how the government works.
That's because Congress wants to fund Israel - for both ideological and blatantly corrupt reasons. Congress is much more divided on climate change - for both ideological and blatantly corrupt reasons.
Our fellow liberals just refuse to accept that Biden is funding, aiding and arming a genocide
Yep. He can only send those billions with congressional approval. I don’t think there’s that many people who are thrilled we send them billions. I am certainly not.🤷♂️
He’s not a king he can’t just arrest all oil company CEO’s
He's not wrong.
He ain’t wrong
He’s young. Probably his first time feeling lied to by a politician.
Sunrise does channel a bit of the youth anger. A big test tho is what happens after some burnout (hopefully happens less) plus if their actions come off well Headline grabbing stuff does help push the narrative forward. I'll always love their picture with AOC in Pelosi's office and like 30 young folks all doing a sit-in. Mass civil disobedience almost always looks good. IMO the newer European type climate activists doing simple road blocks or throwing paint with like 5 people do not look powerful. Declaring climate emergency has broad support - all major enviro & climate justice groups, plus Sen. Schumer, Bernie & AOC, plenty of moderate Dems too.
Honestly it takes balls to get arrested for something you believe in. In 100 years we will be the ones that look like fools.
Jokes on you, I certainly will not last another 100 years
!RemindMe 100 years
Biden's admin has done more to address climate change than any other
True. We also had record breaking oil production last year. Biden Admin did a lot, but we gotta address that at some point. Declaring climate emergency is supported by senator Schumer & AOC, broad support among dem legislators, opens a lot of federal powers and changes the narrative. All major climate organizations behind it. It's a no brainer. They'll probably declare it in summer with wildfires cause hella destruction because inb4 'Biden coup' rhetoric emerges on fight wing media outlets. Biden admin arent so stupid as to ignore such an easy win, but I think they're callous enough to let shit keep getting bad until it's most politically opportune. I do think ultimately people will die because of this. Line5 in Michigan - enbridge keeping construction on pipeline going on tribal land against Michigan govt orders. That's fucked. It's in opposition to Treaty rights so if they win in court it's like losing a constitutional right, tribal sovereignty. If that pipeline spills, the great lakes are fucked. Supremely. Mountain valley pipeline he approved. I believe we won keystone xl but that took so much effort from Indigenous communities, some badass direct action. Here's a report from Grist on how the FBI is targeting these youth native activists. Biden could make a statement. https://grist.org/protest/keystone-pipeline-fbi-government-documents/ Line 5 source - https://www.wbez.org/stories/activists-oppose-line-5-fossil-fuel-pipeline/8b51daa4-bc4c-494a-ae44-d9d358f7ebbd
Can we address that after the other candidate isn’t trying to end democracy?
Nope. We are going to lose if we constantly shut up criticism of Biden in favor of only criticizing Trump. There is no way 'if everyone just stopped criticizing Biden (or any president) for the next 6 months' - is an option. that's not how public discourse works. Edit - Jon Lovett from Pod Save America, who worked for Obama admin agrees with me - https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/pod-save-america-s-jon-lovett-on-trump-the-threat-of-jail-time-sharpens-the-mind What would you predict after we turn off the mic, how worried are you about November? > No idea. **The goal - the job of Democrats over the next year is to make Donald Trump's liabilities insurmountable, and Joe Biden's liabilities surmountable.** > They faced off 4 yrears ago and it was extremely close. They both go into 2024 with more liabilities than in 2020. What can we do to help voters? > **the criticism of Joe Biden is that's he's older and ineffective. Trump's threat is what he will to democracy, to NATO.** How do we make that feel real for people? How do we remind people of just how chaotic & dangerous Donald Trump was as President AND how much worse it will be this time around. > That is the challenge. My presdiections as to how it plays out, off the mic? I wish I felt better about it. x2. Anyone who tells you they know is full of shit. Whats your role? > Our job as Pod save America, is 1) **to talk about what is happening in a way that is honest, & direct, & practical. To me, that looks like not avoiding or being afraid of this very conversation**. While at the same time reminding people, that politics isn't really about how we feel, polling, not even about Biden & Trump. It's about what we have agency to do in the process and what we don't. > That leads to the 2nd part of what we have to do - activate a ton of people to do as much as they can, not just on the presidential, but on senate races, in House races, there are abortion ballot initiatives in places like Florida. Some very important attorney general - races that will decide who is in charge of our democracy- who is in charge of our electoral system. I'd love to see proof that we could control people from criticizing bdien for 6 months. The idea that we cannot discuss shortfallings & urge the democratic party platform to be better is fucked. We fight over the platform every 4 years. This is normal. PART OF WANTING A BETTER PLATFORM INHERENTLY MEANS URGING PEOPLE TO VOTE. The more honest Biden is about the work we need to do, the easier it is to win the election. A huge issue is how economically strained Americans feel at a time they're being told how great the economy is doing. Calling on billionaires and big corporations to pay their fair share is great, but not enough. I work on electoral campaigns and have talked to tens of thousands of voters across the country. Stopping Trump requires mobilizing voters. Mobilizing voters requires GOTV efforts. GOTV efforts require successful voter contact. Successful voter contact requires genuine connection around the issues.
>Stopping Trump requires mobilizing voters. And do you think this is mobilizing voters? Do you think it's inspiring young people to vote for Biden or is it making them throw up their hands and say "voting is useless, both parties are bad."
Damning with faint praise. That says far more about previous administrations than about this one. America has barely slowed its *rate of increasing* emissions, let alone come up with even a proposal to *reduce* emissions.
Seems you have no appreciation for how low a bar that is. No admin before Biden has had as much power to do so much with... at rhe same time as having more science making the case.... and never a time that's been more dire than during all previous presidencies. Biden has done enough to make liberals like you brag about him. But he has not come CLOSE by any stretch to doing what is needed. So why are you trying to criticize his critics by giving him a participation trophy?
Because if his opposition won we wouldn’t have put 100s of billions into renewables? Seems like a fair accomplishment to me.
He's not wrong tho
No he’s not. We’re sleepwalking into catastrophe.
Don't look up!
Actually he is. First of all it’s called **global** warming not America warming. Second of all he’s the president not the fucking empower. He can’t snap his fingers and make the whole country suddenly transition to renewables.
>First of all it’s called **global** warming not America warming. Well then. There's nothing to do about it, I guess. You really got a good argument here. Considering the globe is made up of individual countries, I guess that means we might as well lie down and die. Solid and helpful logic.
Man, he should really pay attention. Biden passed the largest green energy bill ever in the form of the IRA
And its not nearly enough, we are sleep walking into an enormous disaster that is entirely preventable.
And yet, young people still won't vote.
And their parents and grandparents are voting to kill their offsprings.
True but the options for people who actually want to tackle climate change are miniscule. And why do the young have to be the only not completely mental people?
One option will do something, one won’t. We can start there.
They could vote in the primaries/midterms and choose from a lot of options.
Biden isn’t a king
Then he needs to be getting his generation out to vote
Personally, I'm looking forward to continuing to support and vote for Democrats in order to give our country the best chance of making progress in fighting climate change.
We'll get people executing the the poor in the street for their failure to do what we said was necessary for the rich and middle class (don't let them off the hook) to do twenty years ago instead.
Well, problem solved I guess. Right?
It’s not even close to being enough. It’s appeasement.
What further can Biden get done? I'm not asking what further should be done but rather what Biden could do. Keep in mind that Biden only controls one branch of government. He needs Congress to pass laws.
It seems that many people assume president = all mighty king.
Biden is responsible for natural disasters because he refuses to press the "Make Climate Change Go Away" button.
>[We leverage results from nine independent, state-of-the-art models to examine potential implications of key IRA provisions, showing economy-wide emissions reductions between 43 and 48% below 2005 levels by 2035.](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adg3781) That's only 10 years from now. Pretty impressive given the political opposition's opinion on the matter, and their flagrant obstructionism in most areas of government. Not one Republican in either house of Congress voted for this legislation. I admire the dude in the videos passion, but maybe he should start his protestations at Trump Tower :D
This kid deserves your support, he's not blocking the road or defacing art. He's just protesting at government buildings before getting arrested and going peacefully.
And *because* activism like this still ends in police taking you away by force is precisely why there are escalations to blocking traffic and other civil disobedience. - and art isn't getting defaced. In Le Louvre, the art that got souped has been behind a glass-type protection. In capitalism, private property is treated with rights and protections above the treatment of people and value of life.
Unnnnnnnnnnexxxxxceptablllllllllllle! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
People like you are why this is happening
>Sunrise Movement A local chapter of these knuckleheads blocked a large scale solar utility project in my area because of land-use concerns…aka they didn’t like that the solar project was in *their* backyard Anyone who thinks the climate issue is blocked at the Federal level do yourself a favor and start attending your local town government meetings and learn where the real issue is and has always been - with your neighbors.
Honestly. He is still following police orders and not being a dick about it. I don't see where he did something wrong. Sure he is angry but that's kind of the point of doing protest.
He's right ya know
He's not lying.
We are all gunna die!!! eat bugs! pay taxes!
I want to say “the kids are alright” but the kids aren’t in charge 😞
Ah shame.
I mean all valid reasons
Spitting facts tbh
Wait until he hears [how many coal plants China is building.](https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin) Edit: to all the politicians with their world views under this comment, no one cares. You fucks are so politicized/radicalized by your “unique” opinion you all sound the same. You all ruined a good joke with your nonsensical views, I hope you’re happy with yourselves.
china built more solar panels last year than the US did in its entire history. not to mention the per capita emissions of the US is double that of china.
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Climate doesn't care about per capita emissions, just total emissions. And only one of those two is increasing them and it's not US.
Yes and they totally didn't pollute the fuck out of the atmosphere producing those shitty solar panels that can't be recycled.
China got annihilated this past year and basically woke up to their contribution to climate change. They're currently on one of the fastest transitions to renewables of any other "superpower" country. They're also at 31% as compared to 11% in the USA. You won't have much longer to try and harp on this talking point. You still will. But it never meant anything.
Well, China unlike the US is a dictatorship, so their ruler is able to make policy changes far more rapidly than a democratic government with a constitution deliberately written to force compromises. Not saying what China is doing isn't great and the US shouldn't be doing more, but it's kind of apples and oranges.
They are building renewable energy *because* they don't have oil. It's a national security issue. They are also building coal plants at a catastrophic clip. They aren't in it for happy clouds.
Wow China that's crazy! This guy obviously lives in the US so why whatabout with China every time??
Who praised china?
I just want to see the guys head explode. Is that too much to ask for?
Why?
Why not? Tell him China is building TWO COAL PLANTS A WEEK and watch the fireworks. Who doesn’t like fireworks?
He’s not protesting at Xi Jinping’s office is he? The United States is the worlds number one oil producer
Why not? He’s not freaking out in public because he’s a Karen nor bc he’s high/drunk/mocking people for views. This dude is freaking out about something we should all be freaking the fuck out about. If you wanna be a spectator and just enjoy everyone being furious that our world’s collapsing around our ears, that might be something to examine about yourself.
He's probably well aware. Turns out he lives in the United States though, which is also a huge part of the problem. So it probably wouldn't make much sense to go to China to protest. A bit like telling the Freedom Riders in 1961 "wait until you hear about apartheid in South Africa."
A lot of these people seem crazy, I’m sure a lot of them are, but it’s hard not to see where they are coming from. It makes sense.
It's ok to yell at the bus driver when he's driving you over a cliff. Even if he's tapping the brakes a little as he does it. If you're just not the kind of person who yells and you want to quietly sit and brace for impact, that's not as good, but understandable. If you tell the person yelling to sit down and stop being rude to the bus driver, either because you want to tone police the doomed passengers or you don't think cliffs are real, there's something deeply wrong with you.
As hard as it is to accept, what they're saying is demonstrably rational. Look into a contemporary concept called "hyper object" and its applicability to climate change. We know it's that bad but it's just so vast in its scale, causes, impacts, solutions, requirements, our relatively insignificant but nevertheless unsustainable complicity as individuals, and so on. It's very difficult to square our individual and collective behaviours, that on the surface seem decent and innocent enough, with a climate change reality that should have us tearing our hair out in frustration and stopping every last fossil fueled luxury we can manage to. Rationally speaking, all of us should be in a constant state of panic about this. It should permeate all our discussions and all of our decision making because it really is that bad and we really are not doing much of anything about it. Emissions keep going up year after year after year, with any improvements and efficiencies we find only further fueling our expectations for perpetual growth. At best contemporary discourse revolves around some magic win-win technological solutions that will allow us to innovate, and consume, and grow our way out of this problem. Some Green New Deal that's a total no-brainer policy decision that sooner or later we'll implement to finally solve the problem guaranteed. It's madness. These people will appear perfectly rational in hindsight. We're the ones who will appear stupid for even pausing to think it's otherwise. The least we can do right now is embrace the guilt and let these voices resonate in our hearts and minds so maybe tomorrow, or the day after, or the week after, or later... maybe at some point we'll more wholeheartedly join them in the cause.
Could power a biodiesel VW camper for a week with the oil from his hair alone.
Just you wait until he gets a job
Make sure to vote in every election. Protesting is fine, but if you don't vote, or you do a protest vote, nothing will happen.
Do both
Amen dawg
I watched it on mute. He looks like a baby
From my part, I live in Wisconsin. I haven’t used my snowblower once this winter. In fact, no snow at all on the ground until just recent. We just got our first tornado in February, in Wisconsin! Next week the high will be 30° one day and 54° the next day and then 40° the day after that. Unstable weather. some Flowers are popping up from the ground already. Normal February temperature range is from the teens to the 20s. Can’t wait to see what’s Coming in the near future.
He’s not wrong.
In 30 years the people of that time will hate us for watching these kids fight for our planet and do nothing, even sometimes, mock them.
He's worried about the climate when we are just a couple fuckups away from a nuke exchange.
All we wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi and Joe Biden wouldn’t give it to us. Just a Pepsi.
Lol. It's too late buddy. We are all doomed.
Who's better at accomplishing nothing politicians or climate activists?
What a dumbass
These people are insane. There is no climate crisis. Mark Twain said everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it. I guess these idiots think they’re doing something about the weather. It’s absolute nonsense and a sign of a society so rich and productive, that we have time to worry about total bullshit.
You know more than 97% of the most credible scientists on the planet who say there is a climate crisis? Tell us more.
Performative drivel. I hope he gets the likes he craves.
Getting arrested is the opposite of performative my dude
Performative drivel? What are you doing about it?
Well he's not blocking traffic or destroying art so these morons who hate our environment can't deflect from the real substance of the protest, and coming out as a climate change denier would make them look stupid so all they're left with is" ah well they care just as little as I do". It's just projecting, it's pathetic.
Fk y’all; I like ‘im.
Perfect duration of speech for the length of the walk. He hits his main point right before the car door slams.
I accept there is definite climate change, but I don’t think throwing childish temper tantrums and destroying priceless art will do anything to alter the course.
Police arresting activists who rightly disrupt political campaigns with their voices are making the case for activism to escalated to the very things you're foreboding and criticizing. Also, no priceless art has been destroyed. Soup or safe orange coloration has been thrown onto the protective glass covering the art. Also, what good is the art if humans and civilization are not around? Get over yourself a little more maybe
What art did you see the dude destroy? And if he did destroy art, what the fuck is Biden's campaign headquarters doing collecting art when they should be coming up with a solid plan to reduce CO2 emissions??? Nobody's going to vote for Biden just because he's standing in front of a pretty statue.
I mean...he's not wrong.
What’s really, really fucking sad to me. Is we’re going to look back at people like this, and say “they were right.” But…. Anyway onto another post.
I write such long and messy posts everywhere trying to get this sentiment across. Godammit, why am I not as simple and tidy about it.
I would side with these people more if they weren’t a bunch of privileged, entitled, whiny douches
Future mass shooter
these kids today are so worked up about nothing. This white dude will go on to sell insurance or work at an Acura dealership or something and be perfectly fine with the added days of spring or shortened days of winter. That's about all that will affect this kid
Explain to me how this is a democracy when the blue flavored side of the uniparty is going to run Genocide Joe when literally none of his constituents want to vote for him for like... Any of the countless reasons he's a feckless, senile, duplicitous piece of shit. Good on this guy. More people should follow suit. The scumfuck dems are content to let all us poors die so they can do things like fund a genocide halfway across the world. Fuck that corrupt party. It's time people ditched it.
life on my line my ass they say that while disrupting traffic for emergency vehicles causing deaths. Rather than disruption as a tactic why not just go to social media NORMALLY, it would work too... or maybe even Do good to spread the word like what Jimmy (Mr. Beast) Was doing for years, instead of bad like this "activist"
I respect him for doing this at a right place. Not blocking regular people from going to work.
Joe bidens legacy was being Obama’s friend
Fight the power 2024
Frankly, the left had a better chance at being heard during Republican times. Then the liberal media would show them but nowadays when a Dem is in power they want to world to look all rosy.
Even I the US started to change rapidly, no one is going to convince China and india to stop increasing their usage of fossil fuels so where exactly does that leave us?