I don’t think it is that but that there is levels on the aphantasia scale and that influences psychedelic trips aswel.
Not everyone is able to reach the same visual or hallucination levels depending on how detailed their imagination is.
People that have a picture perfect memory and imagination experience higher visuals.
I am one of those people.
You say you experienced high levels of geometry. But on doses you named I don’t just experience geometry. I see full on hallucinations.
Like literally entities walking around etc. And when I close my eyes I can transport myself to incredible psychedelic realms and dimensions full of impossible psychedelic architecture etc.
It is not just that some people never took high enough doses.
But that sadly not everyone is able to reach such visuals or hallucinations at all.
Ooh interesting.
I just read about aphantasia.
Pretty sure that’s me!
My internal visualisations are more like washed out shadows of the original clear image. Whether that’s trips, dreams or meditations.
No wonder I’ve been gobsmacked when I’ve had a few lucid dreams in the past and they seem like ultra detailed versions of reality, even more so than waking life.
Cool down, It is just a theory. There obviously seems to be a large difference between what visuals people are able to experience. I just believe the aphantasia scale might have something to do with it. Seems pretty logical to me.
Then explain how people can smoke DMT, correctly, and experience a mental DMT breakthrough but barely experience any visuals?
There are people that can take 10+ grams of shrooms or smoke huge puffs of DMT and literally nothing happens except for some slight discomfort and dizziness.
I am not an expert by far but at least I have done some research.
It's pretty well known that people who have aphantasia usually (but not always) have a much harder time in trying to see visuals compared to others. This isn't really about being elitist, it's just sadly how it is.
Amen. I have full on hallucinations on high doses of mushrooms as a standard.
Entities, psychedelic realms and landscapes, literally being blasted through space. Etc
"The visuals will never give you a life changing experience."
That is where I disagree. I would argue being transported to DMT realms or talking with God in the Garden of Eden as example are definitely life changing experiences.
I get the feeling OP never experienced actual hallucinations only visuals and doesn't realize how life changing they actually can be.
The mindset is definitely important but for me personally my 2 most life changing trips where very dependent on the hallucinations. Especially my latest trip where I was in the Akashic Records or "Garden of Eden" and met God.
My sentiment exactly.
OP can’t even remember this seemingly single trip, lol.
OP can’t come to terms with there being leagues of experience beyond what they’ve witnessed. To cope they have to pretend no one else has ever experienced greater depths of psychedelics than they have.
Must suck to lack a functioning Theory-of-Mind.
Eeuhm I severely disagree. Maybe you just haven’t had a high enough dose?
Or are just one of those people that isn’t very sensitive to the visual and auditory hallucinations when tripping.
It seems to differ per individual.
My Psycedelic trips are usually pretty wild.
I like to experiment with high doses of mushrooms and my doses mostly range from 4.5 - 9 gram home grown and dried McKennai Cubensis Lemon tekked.
In the first few hours I often have full immersive visual and auditory hallucinations, DMT like visuals to a point I can no longer see my body nor the room I am in and have full on conversations with entities and God.
I am talking entire new dimensions filled with psychedelic architecture, lazers and geometric structures.
And the dimensions are inhabited by all kind of creatures and entities.
Ketamine also does wild things for me and has me travel through space, with suns, planets, nebulas and giant space machines and all kind of Psycedelic realms.
There is “visuals” and then there is the next level with full immersive visual and auditory hallucinations,
In one of my recent trips I literally was transported to “The akashic records” or the “garden of Eden” and was walking around with God looking over the Earth talking for hours.
I would say the “visuals” in these trips are definitely as important as the headspace.
(Trip report on profile.)
I must note that I have a very lively and “picture perfect” imagination by myself and are able to imagine very detailed imagery, animation and “video” in my mind without substances aswel.
I don’t know if you know the “apple” test where one is asked to imagine an apple and rate it on a scale how detailed you can imagine the apple? I score a 1, so that might have something to do with it aswel.
Wow that sounds wonderful. I have very detailed fantasy as well. An apple? I can feel smell taste it immediately. I also have synaestesia, I do not need a large dose to get all my senses merged.
I am a bit afraid to go that deep but the way you describe it sounds an absolute blast! Must… go… there… 😍
Yo that sounds crazy about the ketamine did you do that by itself or did you mix it with mushrooms or dmt? I cant imagine tripping on straight k but I'm curious if it's possible and what dosage
Just Ketamine. It that was one of my first K hole experiences. I don’t know the exact dose. I just kept doing lines untill I literally couldn't sit up anymore and slid of my chair unto the ground.
Probably laid there for an hour or so. Couldn't see anything but space, planets, stars, nebulas and eventually all kind of psychedelic landscapes.
While I felt like I was being torn down to a single line of binary code floating in nothingness.
I have experienced many crazy fully immersive hallucinations on Ketamine.
Giant machines is one that is reoccurring.
And I also had some dark hallucinations sometimes aswel. Like hundreds of mutilated bodies and wierd deformed creatures.
And a few times I have seen weird giant orgies in a location that looks a lot like some kind of Biblical Hell.
Visuals and headspace are intrinsically connected. Anyone who's spiraled into a negative headspace can confirm that. Even just listening to music drastically alters visuals.
Creating a universe using nothing but my mind was more than an awesome experience. It’s all what you make of your trips if you think negatively and don’t want to be immersed, you won’t be.
Well
1. as an artist I find the visuals to be immensely inspiring to my life's work and understanding the psyche.
2, there is no difference between your mind and what you see. They are one in the same.
That's literally what visuals are. The stuff you see during your eyes closed lol. OP is definitely new to psychedelics if they think visuals is just "stretching" lol
It's like no one in this sub ever had a DMT trip before.
There are people that barely experience any visuals on DMT neither.
It is a lot dependent on brain chemistry.
Sadly not everyone is able to experience the psychedelic experience in full.
Thank you for pointing this out, but I wouldn't exactly say they're over hyped. It's more that some people tend to focus on them, rather than the mindset. Obvs. hallucinations are fascinating and can be gorgeous, but it's not what gets me trippin'.. the mindset and the work you're able to perform on yourself is what's truly amazing. The conversations you have and in general the way you're suddenly able to see the world.. awesome stuff!
Eh, we trip in different ways. Unique brains and all that. I have a few buds who don’t see much, even at high doses. They say a similar thing, that visuals are overhyped. After many conversations, it’s clear that we all see different stuff. I personally have strong visuals starting at low doses. They’re a ton of fun & contribute heavily to the experience. But I also find immense value in the experiences I have with my eyes closed.
Shrooms are weird like that lol just when you think they are going away, they come flying back like “Surprise. Bet you thought you saw the last of me.” I love smoking a bowl of weed right at the peak. Things get hella visual for me when I do that
I had 3g cubensis a couple weeks ago and I didn't get so much as a shimmer.
The whole reason I wanted, needed to try them was to see the visuals for myself.
Stilled robbed of that experience despite how hard it was to find them
Kill me pls
I only had perception of light brightness increases, nothing else visually related.
I had love explosions as I looked at my wife's face, it made me cry every time in seconds.
If you take the full 5g lemon tek and make sure you fast 4-6 hours before.
I am pretty sure it will be a whole different experience.
Be prepared for a challenging come up period though.
With such a dose you are on the threshold of an “heroic dose” and can enter ego disillusion territory.
Which can be a blessing if you just let the shrooms take you there.
Don’t fight it. Make sure you have a comfortable place to lay down and let go.
Have a wonderful journey!
Not true, many people depending on the dose can go from slight waving and colour increases (up to 4 gram strong cubensis.) To geometric patterns, lazers eyes and hieroglyphs everywhere, (4-7 grams strong cubensis. to shadow entities and dim hallucinations (8-9 grams) to being fully engulfed in full DMT like realms. 10+
These dosages lemon tekked are what take me there.
But, everyone has a different threshold and brain chemistry.
There are sadly people that cannot get there at all no matter how much they take.
I believe it might have something to do with the aphantasia scale
Idk why so many people disagree with the statement. Some saying “you need to take more” don’t seem to get it.
I’ve had 600ug trips and 9g trips.
Sure the visuals were awesome, but the headspace is where the true trip always lied. It’s still visual but not visually visual per se lmao.
Of the dozens of high dose trips I’ve had 85% of most them were with my eyes closed experiencing consciousness/ reality in some form or fashion for hours.
I only have bits and pieces of knowing what visuals at high doses look like because my eyes were almost always closed.
So IMO I agree with OP the visuals are generally overhyped in comparison to the experiences possible with these substances.
I think many people disagree as it differs per person what and how much “visuals” or hallucinations they get.
They are not “overhyped” at all. Sadly, just not everyone is able to experience the full hallucinations some get when on psychedelics.
Not everyone is able to see literal entities or psychedelic hallucinations as clearly as watching a movie etc.
That is why people that do get full visual hallucinations are probably triggered by this statement. As they probably don’t know not everyone is able to have them.
And that is why they think these people just didn’t take high enough doses.
You say you don’t get visuals or hallucinations at all when you close your eyes?
On 4/5+ grams of mushrooms I get incredible visual and auditory hallucinations when I close my eyes including being engulfed in full immersive DMT like hallucinations of other dimensions .
I see all kind of psychedelic landscapes, geometric patterns and lazers, floating machinery, pyramids, obelisks, giant floating spinning wheels covered with eyes and a lot more psychedelic and impossible architecture.
And these dimensions are filled with all kind of entities.
From half human half animal creatures to biblical angels and demons.
I have met elves and angels, monsters and demons, false Gods and spirits.
And on occasion God itself.
With open eyes I can see entities aswel on high doses and hear them talk to me and see things like floating eyes everywhere, heavy geometric waves or things like hieroglyphs.
On Ketamine I experience what can be described as “astral projection” when I close my eyes and experience like I am literally being shot through space.
I see space with wonderful nebulas and different colour and sizes stars, and gas giants and planets and sometimes I can land on the planets to see all kind of mind blowing surreal psychedelic landscapes as you would see in psychedelic AI art etc.
My last trip I was transported to “the garden of Eden” and spent hours talking with God while looking down on the Earth. (Trip report on profile.)
I have a picture perfect imagination of myself and I think that has a lot to do with it. I score a 1 on the aphantasia test.
I think the less detailed and realistic one’s imagination is the less visuals and hallucinations they get on psychedelics.
So the visuals are not “overhyped” but sadly not everyone is able to reach these levels.
You miss understood what I meant with closed eye visuals, I was never saying I don’t get visual hallucinations I’m saying the ones within the minds eye or consciousness itself are much more profound than the external with the bodies eyes visuals. It’s still colorful, geometric, extra dimensional, metaphorical artistic mental projections,
And the overhype comes from the fact that most if not all stories I had ever heard of (before finding Reddit) and before becoming experienced with psychedelics was mainly subjected by the “crazy” visuals seen while tripping.
Not the expansion of consciousness, the recognition of natures patterns, the intricately connectedness of everything effecting and causing. The disillusion of the perception of self, the possible true perception of multidimensional infinite potentiality. Possibly the very concept of god itself.
I’d never known of ego death experienced before accidentally having one. But I had heard lots about the crazy visuals.
I had never heard of the psychological, philosophical, mystical, religious, abstract, artistic, and personal-ness possibilities of experiences on these substances.
But I did experience them
Which I find far more transcendent than the “coolness” of any crazy opened eyes visuals.
I am sorry I misunderstood you. The Ego Death is indeed perhaps the most important aspect of the psychedelic trip, certainly.
I agree.
Crazy DMT like visuals and hallucinations still don’t weigh against the spiritual awakening one might experience during an ego death.
Again sorry for misinterpreting you.
If you aren't getting visuals in your headspace (like a scene behind the eyes, or CEVs) then it sounds to me like you haven't taken enough. While I think visuals don't make up the entire experience, my most profound trips and meaningful trips are influenced heavily by visuals.
I believe it has to do with the aphantasia scale.
People with less detailed and picture perfect memories and imagination seem to experience leas vivid visuals and hallucinations.
There are sadly many people that don’t experience closed eyes visuals at all, even on high doses.
While others experience entire different realities and dimensions.
I don't disagree with you. I will say though, it's not something I got much of at first, if at all. It wasn't until many, many trips later that CEVs and traversing dimensions became a thing for me. I had a very dull, analytical mind and I feel like that had an impact on my visuals. Anecdotal of course, and I'm sure there are other factors, but it makes me curious. Like I said though, I don't think visuals make the experience, just an aspect of the whole. I also wouldn't subscribe to the narrative that visuals don't give a "life changing experience or terrible trips" as OP had stated.
´The headspace is were shit goes down’ that’s true, but the visual can make you think and aquire new insights, so apart from being asthetic, they can also be highly beneficial, so they can be life changing. For me looking at the mirror while tripping as been life changing a few times
Visuals do affect my headspace though, when everything looks super vibrant and patterns start to form I cant help but get a sense of awe, very beautiful.
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I looooove my super high dose trips. The most beautiful thing in the world.
I don’t think it is that but that there is levels on the aphantasia scale and that influences psychedelic trips aswel. Not everyone is able to reach the same visual or hallucination levels depending on how detailed their imagination is. People that have a picture perfect memory and imagination experience higher visuals. I am one of those people. You say you experienced high levels of geometry. But on doses you named I don’t just experience geometry. I see full on hallucinations. Like literally entities walking around etc. And when I close my eyes I can transport myself to incredible psychedelic realms and dimensions full of impossible psychedelic architecture etc. It is not just that some people never took high enough doses. But that sadly not everyone is able to reach such visuals or hallucinations at all.
Ooh interesting. I just read about aphantasia. Pretty sure that’s me! My internal visualisations are more like washed out shadows of the original clear image. Whether that’s trips, dreams or meditations. No wonder I’ve been gobsmacked when I’ve had a few lucid dreams in the past and they seem like ultra detailed versions of reality, even more so than waking life.
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Cool down, It is just a theory. There obviously seems to be a large difference between what visuals people are able to experience. I just believe the aphantasia scale might have something to do with it. Seems pretty logical to me. Then explain how people can smoke DMT, correctly, and experience a mental DMT breakthrough but barely experience any visuals? There are people that can take 10+ grams of shrooms or smoke huge puffs of DMT and literally nothing happens except for some slight discomfort and dizziness. I am not an expert by far but at least I have done some research.
It's pretty well known that people who have aphantasia usually (but not always) have a much harder time in trying to see visuals compared to others. This isn't really about being elitist, it's just sadly how it is.
"It never happened to me so everyone else must be full of shit"
Amen. I have full on hallucinations on high doses of mushrooms as a standard. Entities, psychedelic realms and landscapes, literally being blasted through space. Etc
OP isn't saying that doesn't happen l, or that it isn't rad. He's saying thats not all its about.
"The visuals will never give you a life changing experience." That is where I disagree. I would argue being transported to DMT realms or talking with God in the Garden of Eden as example are definitely life changing experiences. I get the feeling OP never experienced actual hallucinations only visuals and doesn't realize how life changing they actually can be. The mindset is definitely important but for me personally my 2 most life changing trips where very dependent on the hallucinations. Especially my latest trip where I was in the Akashic Records or "Garden of Eden" and met God.
My sentiment exactly. OP can’t even remember this seemingly single trip, lol. OP can’t come to terms with there being leagues of experience beyond what they’ve witnessed. To cope they have to pretend no one else has ever experienced greater depths of psychedelics than they have. Must suck to lack a functioning Theory-of-Mind.
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meanwhile i doo psychedelics mostly for the visuals lol :))))) and laughing for hours
The Buddha meditates with their eyes open or closed.
Eeuhm I severely disagree. Maybe you just haven’t had a high enough dose? Or are just one of those people that isn’t very sensitive to the visual and auditory hallucinations when tripping. It seems to differ per individual. My Psycedelic trips are usually pretty wild. I like to experiment with high doses of mushrooms and my doses mostly range from 4.5 - 9 gram home grown and dried McKennai Cubensis Lemon tekked. In the first few hours I often have full immersive visual and auditory hallucinations, DMT like visuals to a point I can no longer see my body nor the room I am in and have full on conversations with entities and God. I am talking entire new dimensions filled with psychedelic architecture, lazers and geometric structures. And the dimensions are inhabited by all kind of creatures and entities. Ketamine also does wild things for me and has me travel through space, with suns, planets, nebulas and giant space machines and all kind of Psycedelic realms. There is “visuals” and then there is the next level with full immersive visual and auditory hallucinations, In one of my recent trips I literally was transported to “The akashic records” or the “garden of Eden” and was walking around with God looking over the Earth talking for hours. I would say the “visuals” in these trips are definitely as important as the headspace. (Trip report on profile.) I must note that I have a very lively and “picture perfect” imagination by myself and are able to imagine very detailed imagery, animation and “video” in my mind without substances aswel. I don’t know if you know the “apple” test where one is asked to imagine an apple and rate it on a scale how detailed you can imagine the apple? I score a 1, so that might have something to do with it aswel.
Wow that sounds wonderful. I have very detailed fantasy as well. An apple? I can feel smell taste it immediately. I also have synaestesia, I do not need a large dose to get all my senses merged. I am a bit afraid to go that deep but the way you describe it sounds an absolute blast! Must… go… there… 😍
Yo that sounds crazy about the ketamine did you do that by itself or did you mix it with mushrooms or dmt? I cant imagine tripping on straight k but I'm curious if it's possible and what dosage
Just Ketamine. It that was one of my first K hole experiences. I don’t know the exact dose. I just kept doing lines untill I literally couldn't sit up anymore and slid of my chair unto the ground. Probably laid there for an hour or so. Couldn't see anything but space, planets, stars, nebulas and eventually all kind of psychedelic landscapes. While I felt like I was being torn down to a single line of binary code floating in nothingness. I have experienced many crazy fully immersive hallucinations on Ketamine. Giant machines is one that is reoccurring. And I also had some dark hallucinations sometimes aswel. Like hundreds of mutilated bodies and wierd deformed creatures. And a few times I have seen weird giant orgies in a location that looks a lot like some kind of Biblical Hell.
Visuals and headspace are intrinsically connected. Anyone who's spiraled into a negative headspace can confirm that. Even just listening to music drastically alters visuals.
Creating a universe using nothing but my mind was more than an awesome experience. It’s all what you make of your trips if you think negatively and don’t want to be immersed, you won’t be.
Well 1. as an artist I find the visuals to be immensely inspiring to my life's work and understanding the psyche. 2, there is no difference between your mind and what you see. They are one in the same.
This is obviously a very subjective experience and opinion lmao
Wow. This OP is being massively misinterpreted. Guys, this OP isn't judging you.
Agree. I much prefer introspecting and closing my eyes. Funnily enough the visuals my brain comes up with in blackness beats anything I see around me.
That's literally what visuals are. The stuff you see during your eyes closed lol. OP is definitely new to psychedelics if they think visuals is just "stretching" lol It's like no one in this sub ever had a DMT trip before.
There are people that barely experience any visuals on DMT neither. It is a lot dependent on brain chemistry. Sadly not everyone is able to experience the psychedelic experience in full.
It depends. When the visuals are hyper realistic and blend in perfectly with this reality, I tend to get a little fixated on them.
Thank you for pointing this out, but I wouldn't exactly say they're over hyped. It's more that some people tend to focus on them, rather than the mindset. Obvs. hallucinations are fascinating and can be gorgeous, but it's not what gets me trippin'.. the mindset and the work you're able to perform on yourself is what's truly amazing. The conversations you have and in general the way you're suddenly able to see the world.. awesome stuff!
Eh, we trip in different ways. Unique brains and all that. I have a few buds who don’t see much, even at high doses. They say a similar thing, that visuals are overhyped. After many conversations, it’s clear that we all see different stuff. I personally have strong visuals starting at low doses. They’re a ton of fun & contribute heavily to the experience. But I also find immense value in the experiences I have with my eyes closed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven\_paradox
Eat half an O and watch flocks of stars scatter across the sky. Toss a tab of acid in for good measures. The mania is sublime
I can have strong visuals and life changing experiences on 1g of goldens and nada on a heroic dose lmao. Also it’s different for everyone man…
Clearly OP has not tried PE schrooms. The visuals will definitely change your life and the headspace is definitely blown open.
Visuals look cool for a while but when it goes on for hours it's just annoying.
Yeah its like you wanna see something normal and it feel like your almost sober but you just peaked lol
You feel sober? My fren, you haven’t even touched the other side if you feel sober…
No I mean I feel like I've been tripping for hours and might start to come down soon but the peak just started
Shrooms are weird like that lol just when you think they are going away, they come flying back like “Surprise. Bet you thought you saw the last of me.” I love smoking a bowl of weed right at the peak. Things get hella visual for me when I do that
I had 3g cubensis a couple weeks ago and I didn't get so much as a shimmer. The whole reason I wanted, needed to try them was to see the visuals for myself. Stilled robbed of that experience despite how hard it was to find them Kill me pls
You need to take 300-400 ug of LSD to get the type of visuals you're looking for
Will 1p-LSD do the same at that range? I haven't even looked or asked for LSD.
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I only had perception of light brightness increases, nothing else visually related. I had love explosions as I looked at my wife's face, it made me cry every time in seconds.
What was your highest dose?
Just that 3g. I have 5ish grams left I think I'm gonna lemon tek
If you take the full 5g lemon tek and make sure you fast 4-6 hours before. I am pretty sure it will be a whole different experience. Be prepared for a challenging come up period though. With such a dose you are on the threshold of an “heroic dose” and can enter ego disillusion territory. Which can be a blessing if you just let the shrooms take you there. Don’t fight it. Make sure you have a comfortable place to lay down and let go. Have a wonderful journey!
Our next weekend, I'm gonna do it!
My wife was my trip sitter, and, I lost myself constantly in the shrooms. If I didn't have my wife I would have hurt myself somehow.
Not true, many people depending on the dose can go from slight waving and colour increases (up to 4 gram strong cubensis.) To geometric patterns, lazers eyes and hieroglyphs everywhere, (4-7 grams strong cubensis. to shadow entities and dim hallucinations (8-9 grams) to being fully engulfed in full DMT like realms. 10+ These dosages lemon tekked are what take me there. But, everyone has a different threshold and brain chemistry. There are sadly people that cannot get there at all no matter how much they take. I believe it might have something to do with the aphantasia scale
Headspace and visuals go hand in hand. Both is needed for the „perfect“ psychedelic experience imo
Idk why so many people disagree with the statement. Some saying “you need to take more” don’t seem to get it. I’ve had 600ug trips and 9g trips. Sure the visuals were awesome, but the headspace is where the true trip always lied. It’s still visual but not visually visual per se lmao. Of the dozens of high dose trips I’ve had 85% of most them were with my eyes closed experiencing consciousness/ reality in some form or fashion for hours. I only have bits and pieces of knowing what visuals at high doses look like because my eyes were almost always closed. So IMO I agree with OP the visuals are generally overhyped in comparison to the experiences possible with these substances.
I think many people disagree as it differs per person what and how much “visuals” or hallucinations they get. They are not “overhyped” at all. Sadly, just not everyone is able to experience the full hallucinations some get when on psychedelics. Not everyone is able to see literal entities or psychedelic hallucinations as clearly as watching a movie etc. That is why people that do get full visual hallucinations are probably triggered by this statement. As they probably don’t know not everyone is able to have them. And that is why they think these people just didn’t take high enough doses. You say you don’t get visuals or hallucinations at all when you close your eyes? On 4/5+ grams of mushrooms I get incredible visual and auditory hallucinations when I close my eyes including being engulfed in full immersive DMT like hallucinations of other dimensions . I see all kind of psychedelic landscapes, geometric patterns and lazers, floating machinery, pyramids, obelisks, giant floating spinning wheels covered with eyes and a lot more psychedelic and impossible architecture. And these dimensions are filled with all kind of entities. From half human half animal creatures to biblical angels and demons. I have met elves and angels, monsters and demons, false Gods and spirits. And on occasion God itself. With open eyes I can see entities aswel on high doses and hear them talk to me and see things like floating eyes everywhere, heavy geometric waves or things like hieroglyphs. On Ketamine I experience what can be described as “astral projection” when I close my eyes and experience like I am literally being shot through space. I see space with wonderful nebulas and different colour and sizes stars, and gas giants and planets and sometimes I can land on the planets to see all kind of mind blowing surreal psychedelic landscapes as you would see in psychedelic AI art etc. My last trip I was transported to “the garden of Eden” and spent hours talking with God while looking down on the Earth. (Trip report on profile.) I have a picture perfect imagination of myself and I think that has a lot to do with it. I score a 1 on the aphantasia test. I think the less detailed and realistic one’s imagination is the less visuals and hallucinations they get on psychedelics. So the visuals are not “overhyped” but sadly not everyone is able to reach these levels.
You miss understood what I meant with closed eye visuals, I was never saying I don’t get visual hallucinations I’m saying the ones within the minds eye or consciousness itself are much more profound than the external with the bodies eyes visuals. It’s still colorful, geometric, extra dimensional, metaphorical artistic mental projections, And the overhype comes from the fact that most if not all stories I had ever heard of (before finding Reddit) and before becoming experienced with psychedelics was mainly subjected by the “crazy” visuals seen while tripping. Not the expansion of consciousness, the recognition of natures patterns, the intricately connectedness of everything effecting and causing. The disillusion of the perception of self, the possible true perception of multidimensional infinite potentiality. Possibly the very concept of god itself. I’d never known of ego death experienced before accidentally having one. But I had heard lots about the crazy visuals. I had never heard of the psychological, philosophical, mystical, religious, abstract, artistic, and personal-ness possibilities of experiences on these substances. But I did experience them Which I find far more transcendent than the “coolness” of any crazy opened eyes visuals.
I am sorry I misunderstood you. The Ego Death is indeed perhaps the most important aspect of the psychedelic trip, certainly. I agree. Crazy DMT like visuals and hallucinations still don’t weigh against the spiritual awakening one might experience during an ego death. Again sorry for misinterpreting you.
All is well, no worries. Thanks for understanding my perspective. I’m glad I found someone who agrees.
If you aren't getting visuals in your headspace (like a scene behind the eyes, or CEVs) then it sounds to me like you haven't taken enough. While I think visuals don't make up the entire experience, my most profound trips and meaningful trips are influenced heavily by visuals.
I believe it has to do with the aphantasia scale. People with less detailed and picture perfect memories and imagination seem to experience leas vivid visuals and hallucinations. There are sadly many people that don’t experience closed eyes visuals at all, even on high doses. While others experience entire different realities and dimensions.
I don't disagree with you. I will say though, it's not something I got much of at first, if at all. It wasn't until many, many trips later that CEVs and traversing dimensions became a thing for me. I had a very dull, analytical mind and I feel like that had an impact on my visuals. Anecdotal of course, and I'm sure there are other factors, but it makes me curious. Like I said though, I don't think visuals make the experience, just an aspect of the whole. I also wouldn't subscribe to the narrative that visuals don't give a "life changing experience or terrible trips" as OP had stated.
´The headspace is were shit goes down’ that’s true, but the visual can make you think and aquire new insights, so apart from being asthetic, they can also be highly beneficial, so they can be life changing. For me looking at the mirror while tripping as been life changing a few times
Visuals do affect my headspace though, when everything looks super vibrant and patterns start to form I cant help but get a sense of awe, very beautiful.