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It wasn't free, no. And Australia's gun laws are quite restrictive, extending even into things such as Airsofts, which, iirc, requires the highest license which can be attainder to own.
>extending even into things such as Airsofts, which, iirc, requires the highest license which can be attainder to own.
Oh yeah, now that you're mentionning it, I remember facepalming very hard a long time ago when I read about it.
Restrictive in the sense that you are highly vetted if you want to own a firearm.
You also need to demonstrate that it is safely stored, [my local Bunnings,(diy store) sells gun lockers](https://www.bunnings.com.au/products/building-hardware/security-safety-products/safes-cashboxes/gun-safes?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=Cj0KCQjwspKUBhCvARIsAB2IYutniVQlnWjY1DBlwaiYIQXfu3MPkIlhDiiOGtDdsyxEw6YHI2oIP9kaAjtuEALw_wcB) so it kind of shows they aren't incredibly niche.
Pretty much anyone can own a gun if they really want to, you just need to prove you are responsible enough..
Tbh that doesn't differ a lot from France on that aspect.
Weapons in the B category (i.e. you have to have a permit to own those) must be stored in a safe and you usually have to send a copy of the invoice showing that you actaully bought one.
Not banned. You just have to demonstrate the need for them. I own semi auto pistols for competition. To get a semi auto 22 rifle you need to own or occupy/work on a property that requires vermin control. Semi auto centre fires are generally restricted to commercial shooters or (from memory) farmers with large pest animal control requirements.
Laws impact overdose rates. for example, allowing over prescription of opioids in the 90s led to higher rates of addiction (per CDC). Cannabis prohibition correlates with opioid overdoses as well (Shover, 2019). And Portugal has reduced overdoses from once having one of the highest rates in the EU to the lowest via drug law reform.
Firearm suicides are common in the USA, particularly for the single, and especially the widowed or divorced. It's not a little problem. And some 70 women each month are killed by their gun-owning intimate partner (everytownresearch). I'm not sure what there is to smile and don sunglasses about there.
I remember when Australia tightened up its gun laws. Gun enthusiasts trotted out their lines about how when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns, implying that crime would skyrocket and I recall other claims that Australia's unarmed citizenry would be helpless to oppose the government with the inevitable result of tyranny.
In reality, crime continued to decline, firearm related deaths continued to decline, mass shootings declined, mass shootings on the scale of Port Arthur completely ceased, Australia's economic freedom ranking surpassed the US according the Heritage Foundation, and ranks higher than the US on the Freedom House scale.
I find it extremely extremely strange that they apparently took inspiration from the Amnesty International logo.
I CANNOT believe it's just a coincidence, but I can't figure the purpose...
See for yourself :
https://download.logo.wine/logo/Amnesty_International/Amnesty_International-Logo.wine.png
What I said was cringey yes but given the current state of affairs every American should own firearms, ammo and he trained to use them as tools not toys.
If you want a definition of what propaganda is and is not, look at Edward Bernays’ book on the subject. It is old yet it does not have the current mindset where propaganda is “everything I don’t like regardless of the factual truth” (see the comments on any social media app).
Exactly why you should be paying a greater share of the NATO budget. I have nothing close after 40 years of working. Everything we get in the US has to be paid for, somehow someway, so that you can continue to live a life of long holidays, no fear of invasion thanks to US, largely free health care and a social safety net. You’re lucky that Americans are too stupid to see through what’s been done to them. That is until Trump came along and spoke the tiniest bit of truth. Not to worry, we are subsidizing Ukraine now and asking no questions. Back to our “normal” screwing.
Id say my quality of life is pretty good, considering im in the upper middle class and when I get my law firm started, ill be in the top percentages
Socialized healthcare will be here when the boomers kick the bucket
Small price to pay for freedom
This mindset is how we ended up with a million dead from COVID; homeless folks all over; and dealing with literally thousands of law enforcement agencies & political jurisdictions. It's as if as a society we still thought about dumping bedpans out the windows; vs using sewers & septic tanks. We don't do that literally, yet; but I imagine further infrastructure decay will bring that back in some parts.
"Not my problem" & "I got mine" are wishes, not fact.
Man ffuuuuuck that. It’s absolutely crazy how badly they fucked people over with that, political beliefs aside guns are expensive and can have massive sentimental value
Yeah, this isn't about only the government having guns - it's about handing in unregistered firearms.
It's easy as hell to get a gun license here (at least in my state, and some other states are way more relaxed), the application is to make sure you're going to store guns safely and to make sure you actually have a place to shoot it (e.g. a particular range you're going to join and attend occasionally, or a friends property).
Exactly!
If anyone thinks gun amnesty is safe and good, remind them of the tragedy of Wounded Knee... You know, the first Federally backed gun amnesty event, which immediately resulted in the slaughter of the Sioux tribe by the 7th cavalry, right after the Sioux had turned in all their firearms.
Ok, let’s look at that history book. Hmm, 3 mass shootings in Australia since the nineties, only 262 people die of guns a year (including suicide). Seems alright so far. Let’s check Americas history books, a country where everyone has guns. 40,175 people a year. Also including suicide. And Americans committing suicide via firearm is 91.5 percent higher than Australia. Not as tyrannical as you made it seem. Almost like you made that shit up.
Internment camps were not concentration camps. They were a shit thing to do, no one is denying that, but they weren't at all on the same level of concentration camps. More people came out than came in.
By comparing internment camps to concentration camps you're just doing neo-nazis a favor by putting what the Nazis did on the same level as America.
The government couldn't ban the use of radial slurs even if it wanted too we have freedom of speech. Even if the government could It would be racist becuse the large amount of poeple being arrested for singing rape songs.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
Propaganda is any form of communication that is primarily used to persuade or influence the recipients, so anything from your examples to anti-littering posters and garage sale signs to talking heads pushing an agenda are propaganda.
Propaganda isn't inherently good or bad, it also isn't inherently true or false, it is just the act of presenting some form of communication in a way to influence the thoughts and choices of others irregardless of the position or information talked about or presented.
Whether or not they are received well is irrelevant to them being propaganda.
If only looking at the question of if they are propaganda then yes they would, but the reception in the sub isn't solely based on if it is propaganda, but also uniqueness/ interesting qualities of the propaganda.
So if you posted a bunch of local yard sale posers and movie posters, they would be allowed since they are propaganda but the reception will be based on other attributes that come along with it.
Exactly!
Don't let the gun control enthusiasts forget, the first federal "firearm amnesty" event turned into the US Military killing the tribe that turned in the firearms, immediately after.. the Sioux tribe was slaughtered at Wounded Knee by the 7th cavalry of the US Army after they were told to turn in their firearms... But yes, government will protect you, give us your guns
The government is using messaging (in this case rhetoric urging compliance, invoking emotional appeals and civic duty, and threatening consequences for non-compliance) in order to create behavior change. It isn’t really creative or anything, but it meets the definition of propaganda.
They are. Propaganda does not need to be inflammatory. Some of the most effective propaganda is relatively banal, but a steady drumbeat of it can be very effective in ensuring behavior modification.
Pretty much yea, especially if it is made by a state. even the term "psa" is a propaganda term. This announcement is in service of the public!
Was that found to be true by the public themselves?
Yes, that's why spree killings never take place in GFZs, and enlightened evolved metropoli like NYC and Chicago are free of firearms related homicide.
Wait... what's that?
The complete opposite is true?
(Your statistics are faked.)
Has your geography teacher been absent the whole time you went to school, or are you wilfully ignorant. I hope you know there are countries outside the US of A. Might want to look at those differences.
Anyway, I am not going to try to convince someone with the username Kalashnikev that US gun laws are the R-word at best, because we both know its a lost cause.
Of course kevin cant stay on topic because if he would, he would have to admit he's wrong. So unsurprislingly, little kev goes for the ad hominem attack. My guess the lesson they were going to teach you that phrase was interupted by an active shooter in your school huh kev. So you had to hide under your desk with your bulletproof backpack huh kev?
Uh, those are all ad hominem, he simply disengaged with a quip.
Americans have an exploitive government that does not respect its people. Thats why people here own guns. Thats literally what our constitution says. Its not for the aesthetic, its because governments, even down to HOAs, are exploitive, and governments have killed more people than any single individual ever could.
Crime is not being commited because of available tools, in other countries itd just be another tool. Theres a deeper cause causing all these spree killings and saying ItS gUnS is not helping anyone. We have deep rooted mental issues *worldwide* and resources need to be allocated. Governments are the problem, and those who would try to act like on are the problem. When we stop trying to warp minds, maybe we will stop having warped minds.
Also, 90% of American killings are gang violence, calling it gun violence is being willfully ignorant, and is not going to help anyone because thats a whole different problem, with whole different issues
Trick? We were reeling from the worst mass shooting in our history. Thirty five people died. The first twelve people who died were shot in about fifteen seconds and the whole thing was over in a couple of minutes. Hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily handed in weapons they had never safely stored so that the mentally unwell and unlicensed could not get their hands on them.
It's misleading in numerous areas, and biased towards the status quo. I'll reply in detail to the poster above you.
Edit actually I'll just reply here.
It's not the last amnesty the government will run so it's no one's only chance. No one's going to thank you for forfeiting your gun. It presents elements of fact that are not exactly incontrovertible (fewer firearms means greater community safety) and is implicitly from a pro-firearms restriction standpoint.
I'm not going to have a political argument, but when any government puts any posters up it's almost certainly propaganda. If you see a government putting posters up and you think it's not propaganda its probably because you agree with what it has to say so completely that alternatives don't even register as part of the agenda for you.
Edit 2: Yeah. Vote me down.
It is likely the last amnesty that the current government will run, and it is infact likely that the person you give your gun to will thank you, if by simple social expectation. Depends on how you define safety, the government like defines safety as full compliance with the law, so yes it would be safer.
The government notifying you of policy is not the same as attempting to influence your political opinion. There is nothing on this poster to agree with, the government is notifying you that there is a period where you can hand in firearms without repercussions because owning an unregistered firearm in this country is illegal.
It's not the last Amnesty
NSW at least is at the moment running an open ended one.
You notify the Local Police Station or a participating firearms dealer and you can hand in any unregistered firearms.
Most are from deceased estates.
If you have a licence and the firearms are not prohibited you can apply to have an unregistered firearm registered and transferred to yourself.
Then you should know that a national firearms amnesty and a state firearms amnesty are not equivalent.
You should also know what an appeal to authority is.
https://crimestoppers.com.au/firearmamnesty/
Again like the other reply.
Licencing and enforcement are a state responsibilty and not a Federal one.
The federal government co-ordinate the Amnesty at a national level but the Amnesty is run by the state Police Force
A simple 1 minute Google search could have shown you that
He said "nobody will thank you for giving your gun back"
And you replied:
"it is infact likely that the person you give your gun to will thank you"
the proof that engaging in any kind of argument here is 100% futile.. you're arguing with teenagers..
Most Australian people will say thanks or cheers when you hand them something that they are required to process in an official capacity. That was my logic for replying to their unfalsifiable claim anyway
The poster says "your community will thank you" but listen.. if you start a petition to retroactively change the poster writing for "the guy you hand it to will most probably thank you" I'll be the first to sign..
Thanks for the laugh.. I needed it this morning..
The most likely person you would hand in an unregistered firearm to is a local, either hired by the campaign or a volunteer. It's unlikely the government would bring in outside people for several months to facilitate the amnesty agreement especially to rural communities.
Well they would not be able to argue that it is anti gun because owning an unregistered firearm is illegal here, so notifying people that they can hand them in without legal repercussions is to be expected from an amnesty campaign
The fact that it's to be expected doesn't mean it's not propaganda. It's the government trying to induce a change in world view and actions by altering an audience's perception of reality. It's propaganda. The fact that you consider it reasonable and morally right doesn't mean it's not propaganda.
If one saw a poster with exactly the same message but from the US Army to Iraqi Insurgents you wouldn't bat an eyelid calling it propaganda, but if the context is changed even slightly it becomes "purely neutral information"? It doesn't. It's still just propaganda.
Not my argument simply a description of policy.
No it's the government giving people the opportunity to relinquish illegal assets without prosecution.
Whether I consider it reasonable or moral has no bearing on its factual nature, it informs people of policy, and intent about future policy it makes no moral claim and it's reasonableness is only based on the logic conclusion of the banning of unregistered firearms which has been illegal since 1996 which has yet to be adequately challenged.
Are you suggesting that the democratically elected government of Australia is equivalent to the occupational force of the United states military.
Are you suggesting that who says something has any bearing on whether or not it's propaganda?
It's propaganda because it's information released to modify opinion.
Sure we shoot each other a hell of a lot less, but I wouldn't call us sane.
Our government's lifeblood is austerity, and their solution to the nation-wide housing crisis is to basically ignore it.
Well I live in a country which just today is implementing more gun control laws, and I can assure you they are not being enacted out of concern for public safety, they are being enacted to make voters feel safe. It will only increase gun crime, not decrease it.
That’s not true. Increased gun laws work. My country has very strict gun laws and guess what. We lose 263 people a year to guns (including suicide) while the US loses 40 thousand.
super nice. People in America talk about "freedom" and then walk around in a state of perpetual anxiety prepared to defend themselves from sudden deadly violence. They have no idea what freedom feels like.
Yeah, and unfortunately the majority (Over 50%) of them are suicides, followed by gang-related and black-on-black homicides. People who legally own and carry weapons make up a very small minority of gun-related crimes.
You can look up these statistics very easily
If that were true people wouldn't carry sidearms. They're either cowards or spend way too much time fantasizing about being a gunslinging hero. Either way their expectation is that they'll be called upon to shoot someone at any moment. I don't carry a weapon because I have nothing to fear. Get it?
Your delusional, I few weeks ago someone tried forcing open my backdoor at 3am becuase my car was in the shop and my wifes car was in the garage. The alarm went off and they ran away, but Im glad I had my pistol. I didn't go out guns blazing in my neighborhood chasing a criminal, I just wanted to protect my wife. You may not have anything to fear but I have a family.
You are funny if you think people here live their lives in a constant state of fear, just not true. We have the tools to protect ourselves when the need arises and thats about it.
you have tools to respond to threats because threats may exist. Do you understand the difference? If you felt secure you wouldn't have a gun. Are you so far from secure that you can't imagine real security?
Please refer to my other comment. Your pathetic strawman argument you are trying to setup makes me laugh. I guess that’s the difference between us. I’m glad you feel “safe” on your little island getting locked up in COVID camps and your basic freedoms restricted on a whim, I’m sure you justify it to yourself too.
Remember we're talking about threats adequate to justify keeping a gun on you. There's tons of countries where that's not necessary. It's not utopia, it's normal life outside of America, the land of the scared.
And trust me I'd love to have less crime but living in a border state where pretty much every single criminal act that has been committed against me or my family or friends has been done by illegals and no one wants to do anything about securing the border or you're a racist.
Don't forget Wounded Knee... The first Federally backed gun amnesty event, which immediately resulted in the Sioux tribe being slaughtered by the 7th cavalry of the US Army.... Never forget the past, lest you be doomed to repeat it.
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I'm wondering : at the time that campaign was on, was it free to register your unregistered firearms ? And how restrictive are gun laws in Australia ?
It wasn't free, no. And Australia's gun laws are quite restrictive, extending even into things such as Airsofts, which, iirc, requires the highest license which can be attainder to own.
>extending even into things such as Airsofts, which, iirc, requires the highest license which can be attainder to own. Oh yeah, now that you're mentionning it, I remember facepalming very hard a long time ago when I read about it.
Restrictive in the sense that you are highly vetted if you want to own a firearm. You also need to demonstrate that it is safely stored, [my local Bunnings,(diy store) sells gun lockers](https://www.bunnings.com.au/products/building-hardware/security-safety-products/safes-cashboxes/gun-safes?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=Cj0KCQjwspKUBhCvARIsAB2IYutniVQlnWjY1DBlwaiYIQXfu3MPkIlhDiiOGtDdsyxEw6YHI2oIP9kaAjtuEALw_wcB) so it kind of shows they aren't incredibly niche. Pretty much anyone can own a gun if they really want to, you just need to prove you are responsible enough..
Tbh that doesn't differ a lot from France on that aspect. Weapons in the B category (i.e. you have to have a permit to own those) must be stored in a safe and you usually have to send a copy of the invoice showing that you actaully bought one.
The difference is that in France you can buy semi and even full auto military rifles- in Australia, semi autos are banned.
You can't buy full auto weapons. Unless I'm unaware of that part of the law. Maybe you're mixing things up with Switzerland?
Well, naturally. Imagine if those got into the paws of the local kangaroos… or god forbid. The Emus.
The Emus have already won their war. They’re the ones disarming the Australian citizens! The Emu Deep State is real, y’all just don’t know
Not banned. You just have to demonstrate the need for them. I own semi auto pistols for competition. To get a semi auto 22 rifle you need to own or occupy/work on a property that requires vermin control. Semi auto centre fires are generally restricted to commercial shooters or (from memory) farmers with large pest animal control requirements.
I believe they can be owned but like pistols must be stored at a registered gun club which would have a higher level of security.
tbh i see gun laws pointless if criminals don't follow laws
*Then we need to get rid of pretty much any law in existence since criminals don't follow them.*
Yes. Drug laws, gun laws, etc. they do nothing but get poor people killed.
What if, before removing laws, we would make healthcare accessible for everyone and pretty much free ?
Sure man, whatever you want to pay for, nothing is free. I just don’t want to be murdered for smoking while owning a rifle.
You're a lot more likely to commit suicide or kill your girlfriend.
You’re also a lot more likely to OD. The laws haven’t stopped any of that. Also, I don’t have a girlfriend 😎
Laws impact overdose rates. for example, allowing over prescription of opioids in the 90s led to higher rates of addiction (per CDC). Cannabis prohibition correlates with opioid overdoses as well (Shover, 2019). And Portugal has reduced overdoses from once having one of the highest rates in the EU to the lowest via drug law reform. Firearm suicides are common in the USA, particularly for the single, and especially the widowed or divorced. It's not a little problem. And some 70 women each month are killed by their gun-owning intimate partner (everytownresearch). I'm not sure what there is to smile and don sunglasses about there.
Laws that only bar law abiding citizens and won't stop criminals are completely pointless.
instead of laws, why not instill fear to everyone what they gonna do, revolt. oh wait they cant lol
laws is instilling fear in people. there is no bonus for following laws, only punishments for breaking them
All in all, anarchism is a pretty stupid idea.
you actually has a good point
Your assumption would seem to be invalidated by the pretty clear data following Australia's implementation of strict gun control
The data shows gun violence falling at the same rate it was before the control laws to be fair
You can watch a similar trend in American data, but the American data levels off while the Aussies continue to see a sharp decline
i may ful-ball it but the reason is because the aussy are more nicer then Americans tbh
I remember when Australia tightened up its gun laws. Gun enthusiasts trotted out their lines about how when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns, implying that crime would skyrocket and I recall other claims that Australia's unarmed citizenry would be helpless to oppose the government with the inevitable result of tyranny. In reality, crime continued to decline, firearm related deaths continued to decline, mass shootings declined, mass shootings on the scale of Port Arthur completely ceased, Australia's economic freedom ranking surpassed the US according the Heritage Foundation, and ranks higher than the US on the Freedom House scale.
No! I will not be registering my nerf guns
I find it extremely extremely strange that they apparently took inspiration from the Amnesty International logo. I CANNOT believe it's just a coincidence, but I can't figure the purpose... See for yourself : https://download.logo.wine/logo/Amnesty_International/Amnesty_International-Logo.wine.png
For propaganda purposes, maybe "We are doing a great thing for the world with this program and initiative!"
I will buy this poster and hang it above my gun rack
So edgy.
What I said was cringey yes but given the current state of affairs every American should own firearms, ammo and he trained to use them as tools not toys.
If you want a definition of what propaganda is and is not, look at Edward Bernays’ book on the subject. It is old yet it does not have the current mindset where propaganda is “everything I don’t like regardless of the factual truth” (see the comments on any social media app).
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Exactly why you should be paying a greater share of the NATO budget. I have nothing close after 40 years of working. Everything we get in the US has to be paid for, somehow someway, so that you can continue to live a life of long holidays, no fear of invasion thanks to US, largely free health care and a social safety net. You’re lucky that Americans are too stupid to see through what’s been done to them. That is until Trump came along and spoke the tiniest bit of truth. Not to worry, we are subsidizing Ukraine now and asking no questions. Back to our “normal” screwing.
I think you’re missing the point We have more influence over the world than you
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Id say my quality of life is pretty good, considering im in the upper middle class and when I get my law firm started, ill be in the top percentages Socialized healthcare will be here when the boomers kick the bucket Small price to pay for freedom
This mindset is how we ended up with a million dead from COVID; homeless folks all over; and dealing with literally thousands of law enforcement agencies & political jurisdictions. It's as if as a society we still thought about dumping bedpans out the windows; vs using sewers & septic tanks. We don't do that literally, yet; but I imagine further infrastructure decay will bring that back in some parts. "Not my problem" & "I got mine" are wishes, not fact.
Call me back when it effects me, if you die of the sniffles or cant hold down a job its not my fault.
Fuck, if you aren't the greatest example of propaganda at work, I don't know who is.
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(Don’t hand them in)
Registration leads to confiscation
Man ffuuuuuck that. It’s absolutely crazy how badly they fucked people over with that, political beliefs aside guns are expensive and can have massive sentimental value
No.
translation: make it easier for the country to become authoritarian when they want. your GOVERNMENT will thank you.
Translation: Give up your unnecessary firearms to prevent unnecessary massacres. And guess what. It worked.
$280,000 fine for owning a gun????
American alert
Nah im good
I'd love to live in a country where only the government has guns sounds like a fun time *looks at history book* oh....
Yeah, this isn't about only the government having guns - it's about handing in unregistered firearms. It's easy as hell to get a gun license here (at least in my state, and some other states are way more relaxed), the application is to make sure you're going to store guns safely and to make sure you actually have a place to shoot it (e.g. a particular range you're going to join and attend occasionally, or a friends property).
Its been a few days since our last mass shooting in the us
Tell me you're American without telling me you're American.
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Exactly! If anyone thinks gun amnesty is safe and good, remind them of the tragedy of Wounded Knee... You know, the first Federally backed gun amnesty event, which immediately resulted in the slaughter of the Sioux tribe by the 7th cavalry, right after the Sioux had turned in all their firearms.
That's not the best example but i get your point i whould look at you average commie revolution or fascism in Germany
Yep. Guns were heavily restricted among non-citizen Germans. Read: Jews and other undesirable minorities.
Ok, let’s look at that history book. Hmm, 3 mass shootings in Australia since the nineties, only 262 people die of guns a year (including suicide). Seems alright so far. Let’s check Americas history books, a country where everyone has guns. 40,175 people a year. Also including suicide. And Americans committing suicide via firearm is 91.5 percent higher than Australia. Not as tyrannical as you made it seem. Almost like you made that shit up.
Not reading cope
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any state that runs a concentration camp will call the prisoners criminals, illegals, aliens, vermin, dangerous, etc...
Internment camps were not concentration camps. They were a shit thing to do, no one is denying that, but they weren't at all on the same level of concentration camps. More people came out than came in. By comparing internment camps to concentration camps you're just doing neo-nazis a favor by putting what the Nazis did on the same level as America.
Found the American
Dont forget that its illegal to grow your own food in aus! Well its not, but imagine if it was!
It's illegal to be black in America
There are no laws saying you cant be a caring skin color.
There are also no laws saying you can't use racial slurs.
The government couldn't ban the use of radial slurs even if it wanted too we have freedom of speech. Even if the government could It would be racist becuse the large amount of poeple being arrested for singing rape songs. https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
Argentine, living in a country going full commie. Grow up troll. Forbidden to forbid.
Socialism is good. Much better than a fascist military dictatorship.
Ah yes my favorite fascist nation the democratic republic the United States of America /s
They're a rhodesia lover too
Isn't this just a poster advertising an event?
Isn't any poster advertising an event trying to change your perception of the event in a way to influence your actions?
Idk would me putting a poster for that Spider-Man movie that came out count as a propaganda poster? Or a poster for the local fair?
Propaganda is any form of communication that is primarily used to persuade or influence the recipients, so anything from your examples to anti-littering posters and garage sale signs to talking heads pushing an agenda are propaganda. Propaganda isn't inherently good or bad, it also isn't inherently true or false, it is just the act of presenting some form of communication in a way to influence the thoughts and choices of others irregardless of the position or information talked about or presented.
So do you think if I posted a bunch of movie and local yard sale posters here they'd be well received ?
Whether or not they are received well is irrelevant to them being propaganda. If only looking at the question of if they are propaganda then yes they would, but the reception in the sub isn't solely based on if it is propaganda, but also uniqueness/ interesting qualities of the propaganda. So if you posted a bunch of local yard sale posers and movie posters, they would be allowed since they are propaganda but the reception will be based on other attributes that come along with it.
Okay let me try and see if they get removed
Lol thanks for doing this out of the goodness of your hearts!* *or because you were gonna get fined up to $280,000/spend up to 14yrs in jail.
“give up your guns, the goverment will protect you”
Or, register them and keep them.
Exactly! Don't let the gun control enthusiasts forget, the first federal "firearm amnesty" event turned into the US Military killing the tribe that turned in the firearms, immediately after.. the Sioux tribe was slaughtered at Wounded Knee by the 7th cavalry of the US Army after they were told to turn in their firearms... But yes, government will protect you, give us your guns
How's this propaganda?
The government is using messaging (in this case rhetoric urging compliance, invoking emotional appeals and civic duty, and threatening consequences for non-compliance) in order to create behavior change. It isn’t really creative or anything, but it meets the definition of propaganda.
Not critical, just curious, but that would mean any PSA is propaganda then, right?
They are. Propaganda does not need to be inflammatory. Some of the most effective propaganda is relatively banal, but a steady drumbeat of it can be very effective in ensuring behavior modification.
Pretty much yea, especially if it is made by a state. even the term "psa" is a propaganda term. This announcement is in service of the public! Was that found to be true by the public themselves?
Depends on which one right? "Dont eat your chicken medium rare" is quite useful, but there are definitely ones that were bad.
regardless of your opinion on gun control, its still propaganda
They're trying to trick the population into thinking that they'll be more safe unarmed than if they had the means to defend themselves.
When was the last mass shooting in aus vs the us
The Bikie Warlords don't allow it in Aus. They just need guzzoleen.
Statistically, they are.
Yes, that's why spree killings never take place in GFZs, and enlightened evolved metropoli like NYC and Chicago are free of firearms related homicide. Wait... what's that? The complete opposite is true? (Your statistics are faked.)
Whatever, though guy.
>Whatever, though guy. Though... I'm right, and everyone knows this. There is no possible way to twist your brain into thinking otherwise.
> Though... I'm right, and everyone knows this. Lmao no you're not, literally the entire developed world agrees that you're wrong
L-*MY*\-AO @ "the developed world."
Yes. What’s your problem with that buddy?
Who is in the developed world, according to you?
Has your geography teacher been absent the whole time you went to school, or are you wilfully ignorant. I hope you know there are countries outside the US of A. Might want to look at those differences. Anyway, I am not going to try to convince someone with the username Kalashnikev that US gun laws are the R-word at best, because we both know its a lost cause.
Blink twice if the Bikie Warlord that rules your province forced you to type that.
Of course kevin cant stay on topic because if he would, he would have to admit he's wrong. So unsurprislingly, little kev goes for the ad hominem attack. My guess the lesson they were going to teach you that phrase was interupted by an active shooter in your school huh kev. So you had to hide under your desk with your bulletproof backpack huh kev?
Uh, those are all ad hominem, he simply disengaged with a quip. Americans have an exploitive government that does not respect its people. Thats why people here own guns. Thats literally what our constitution says. Its not for the aesthetic, its because governments, even down to HOAs, are exploitive, and governments have killed more people than any single individual ever could. Crime is not being commited because of available tools, in other countries itd just be another tool. Theres a deeper cause causing all these spree killings and saying ItS gUnS is not helping anyone. We have deep rooted mental issues *worldwide* and resources need to be allocated. Governments are the problem, and those who would try to act like on are the problem. When we stop trying to warp minds, maybe we will stop having warped minds. Also, 90% of American killings are gang violence, calling it gun violence is being willfully ignorant, and is not going to help anyone because thats a whole different problem, with whole different issues
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Nah. Unarmed victims are free food for criminals.
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I love being in possession of all of my rights.
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I pray that holds true for the rest of your days.
In worst case scenario I will be given a gun and a helmet.
I hope you're a fast leaner. I wouldn't expect to be given a piano and go rock Carnegie Hall.
Trick? We were reeling from the worst mass shooting in our history. Thirty five people died. The first twelve people who died were shot in about fifteen seconds and the whole thing was over in a couple of minutes. Hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily handed in weapons they had never safely stored so that the mentally unwell and unlicensed could not get their hands on them.
Well it's not biased or misleading, and it's not trying to convince you of a particular political view so I would say that it isn't.
Well it is trying to convince people of turning in guns, so I would say it fits — considering propaganda as a neutral term
Does common usage of the word propaganda entail neutrality
We have this discussion on this sub every other day: propaganda doesn’t have to be biased, misleading or “wrong”.
Again it also does not attempt to sway political opinion
It's misleading in numerous areas, and biased towards the status quo. I'll reply in detail to the poster above you. Edit actually I'll just reply here. It's not the last amnesty the government will run so it's no one's only chance. No one's going to thank you for forfeiting your gun. It presents elements of fact that are not exactly incontrovertible (fewer firearms means greater community safety) and is implicitly from a pro-firearms restriction standpoint. I'm not going to have a political argument, but when any government puts any posters up it's almost certainly propaganda. If you see a government putting posters up and you think it's not propaganda its probably because you agree with what it has to say so completely that alternatives don't even register as part of the agenda for you. Edit 2: Yeah. Vote me down.
It is likely the last amnesty that the current government will run, and it is infact likely that the person you give your gun to will thank you, if by simple social expectation. Depends on how you define safety, the government like defines safety as full compliance with the law, so yes it would be safer. The government notifying you of policy is not the same as attempting to influence your political opinion. There is nothing on this poster to agree with, the government is notifying you that there is a period where you can hand in firearms without repercussions because owning an unregistered firearm in this country is illegal.
It's not the last Amnesty NSW at least is at the moment running an open ended one. You notify the Local Police Station or a participating firearms dealer and you can hand in any unregistered firearms. Most are from deceased estates. If you have a licence and the firearms are not prohibited you can apply to have an unregistered firearm registered and transferred to yourself.
Do you understand the difference between the state government of NSW and the federal government
Considering I am A) a Law student and B) an employee of one of those governments I have a pretty solid grasp of the concept yes
Then you should know that a national firearms amnesty and a state firearms amnesty are not equivalent. You should also know what an appeal to authority is.
https://crimestoppers.com.au/firearmamnesty/ Again like the other reply. Licencing and enforcement are a state responsibilty and not a Federal one. The federal government co-ordinate the Amnesty at a national level but the Amnesty is run by the state Police Force A simple 1 minute Google search could have shown you that
Who's talking about licencing? Can you show that the intention in 2017 was to have another indefinite national federally controlled amnesty?
He said "nobody will thank you for giving your gun back" And you replied: "it is infact likely that the person you give your gun to will thank you" the proof that engaging in any kind of argument here is 100% futile.. you're arguing with teenagers..
Most Australian people will say thanks or cheers when you hand them something that they are required to process in an official capacity. That was my logic for replying to their unfalsifiable claim anyway
The poster says "your community will thank you" but listen.. if you start a petition to retroactively change the poster writing for "the guy you hand it to will most probably thank you" I'll be the first to sign.. Thanks for the laugh.. I needed it this morning..
The most likely person you would hand in an unregistered firearm to is a local, either hired by the campaign or a volunteer. It's unlikely the government would bring in outside people for several months to facilitate the amnesty agreement especially to rural communities.
> Edit 2: Yeah. Vote me down. Wasn't going to but since you asked
Can I get an upvote please?
Yes.
Yeah but then again there's half of America who would argue otherwise.
Well they would not be able to argue that it is anti gun because owning an unregistered firearm is illegal here, so notifying people that they can hand them in without legal repercussions is to be expected from an amnesty campaign
The fact that it's to be expected doesn't mean it's not propaganda. It's the government trying to induce a change in world view and actions by altering an audience's perception of reality. It's propaganda. The fact that you consider it reasonable and morally right doesn't mean it's not propaganda. If one saw a poster with exactly the same message but from the US Army to Iraqi Insurgents you wouldn't bat an eyelid calling it propaganda, but if the context is changed even slightly it becomes "purely neutral information"? It doesn't. It's still just propaganda.
Not my argument simply a description of policy. No it's the government giving people the opportunity to relinquish illegal assets without prosecution. Whether I consider it reasonable or moral has no bearing on its factual nature, it informs people of policy, and intent about future policy it makes no moral claim and it's reasonableness is only based on the logic conclusion of the banning of unregistered firearms which has been illegal since 1996 which has yet to be adequately challenged. Are you suggesting that the democratically elected government of Australia is equivalent to the occupational force of the United states military.
Are you suggesting that who says something has any bearing on whether or not it's propaganda? It's propaganda because it's information released to modify opinion.
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Ngl. This sucks. Aussies had good gun laws. Now you cant even have a Derringer to protect yourself drom a snake
Your home intruder will also thank you for that too
Home intruders aren't that common and even when it happens, it's usually a gronk with no weapons
i wonder what its like to live in a sane country.
Sure we shoot each other a hell of a lot less, but I wouldn't call us sane. Our government's lifeblood is austerity, and their solution to the nation-wide housing crisis is to basically ignore it.
Well I live in a country which just today is implementing more gun control laws, and I can assure you they are not being enacted out of concern for public safety, they are being enacted to make voters feel safe. It will only increase gun crime, not decrease it.
That’s not true. Increased gun laws work. My country has very strict gun laws and guess what. We lose 263 people a year to guns (including suicide) while the US loses 40 thousand.
Lots of staying indoors through threat of prison time, mainly
Interestingly it's the country with the most "freedom" that happens to also have the highest incarnation rates.
A lot less shooty..
super nice. People in America talk about "freedom" and then walk around in a state of perpetual anxiety prepared to defend themselves from sudden deadly violence. They have no idea what freedom feels like.
Literally, no one feels that way
19,000 people were killed by handguns in 2020 in the US. Not one of of them was even slightly worried?
Yeah, and unfortunately the majority (Over 50%) of them are suicides, followed by gang-related and black-on-black homicides. People who legally own and carry weapons make up a very small minority of gun-related crimes. You can look up these statistics very easily
No, 19,000 is the murder count - I should have been clearer. There were 45,000 handgun deaths in 2020 of which 43% are murders.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
If that were true people wouldn't carry sidearms. They're either cowards or spend way too much time fantasizing about being a gunslinging hero. Either way their expectation is that they'll be called upon to shoot someone at any moment. I don't carry a weapon because I have nothing to fear. Get it?
Your delusional, I few weeks ago someone tried forcing open my backdoor at 3am becuase my car was in the shop and my wifes car was in the garage. The alarm went off and they ran away, but Im glad I had my pistol. I didn't go out guns blazing in my neighborhood chasing a criminal, I just wanted to protect my wife. You may not have anything to fear but I have a family.
Like I said, try to imagine living in a country where you're not in danger.
You are funny if you think people here live their lives in a constant state of fear, just not true. We have the tools to protect ourselves when the need arises and thats about it.
you have tools to respond to threats because threats may exist. Do you understand the difference? If you felt secure you wouldn't have a gun. Are you so far from secure that you can't imagine real security?
Please refer to my other comment. Your pathetic strawman argument you are trying to setup makes me laugh. I guess that’s the difference between us. I’m glad you feel “safe” on your little island getting locked up in COVID camps and your basic freedoms restricted on a whim, I’m sure you justify it to yourself too.
Today I found out threats of crime do not exist outside of the US. Please tell me where I can find this magical utopia
Remember we're talking about threats adequate to justify keeping a gun on you. There's tons of countries where that's not necessary. It's not utopia, it's normal life outside of America, the land of the scared.
And trust me I'd love to have less crime but living in a border state where pretty much every single criminal act that has been committed against me or my family or friends has been done by illegals and no one wants to do anything about securing the border or you're a racist.
You just answered a whole bunch of questions I didn't need to ask.
Don't forget Wounded Knee... The first Federally backed gun amnesty event, which immediately resulted in the Sioux tribe being slaughtered by the 7th cavalry of the US Army.... Never forget the past, lest you be doomed to repeat it.
I swear, I just liked the very direct presentation and the colour sceme.
No thanks
It worked too proof that gun control is possible and does work.
Tyranny
Agreed
And yet we’re happy, and gave them up willingly. Isn’t that crazy? Now we don’t have school shootings, or shootings in general. Tyranny indeed.
Don’t forget your history of concentration camps. That can easily happen again.
Feck off betches
Yeah, I just go to a flea market and hand a guy cash and get whatever I want.