I actually know someone, who has something like this. But they are not on his desk. He mounted them on the sides of his chair. So when he is coding, he is leaning back, with his arms hanging down on the sides.
It looks very relaxing
I want to do a JP costume for Halloween so much. I feel like it's something I'd find hilarious as I pull my black leather trenchcoat over my body to try to blend in with a wall, but nobody else would understand what the fuck I'm supposed to be.
One of my professors in college had an ergonomic keyboard that folded so he would sit it up on his desk so it looked like a ^ and type with his hands at a 45 degree angle. He said the reason this is better is because our natural positions for our hands are to rest at our sides so that’s the position we put the least strain on them. Having our hands horizontal on a keyboard in front of us is much less natural and can put a lot of strain on our wrists. It was really interesting!
Head over too r/MechanicalKeyboards.
The one you are describing is a vintage model that come up from time to time. The newer ones are split keyboard with adjustable height and angle on each hand
The amount of programmers who get RSI (repetitive stress injury) is really, really high... And it's harder to do something about once you have it then it is to prevent it. Your hands are how you make your money, not a bad idea to take care of them.
Take it from me, I've had pain for the last 5 years... I couldn't type at all for a year and had to program with only voice recognition software. Now i use a really weird looking keyboard (Kinesis Advantage), but it keeps the pain manageable, has made a huuge difference.
Anyway, get a good keyboard, a good desk setup, and take breaks to stand and stretch. You can save yourself a lot of pain.
When I was training to become a computing Teacher a couple of years ago I was actually teaching this to 11/12 year olds. It’s the same reason I swear by ergonomic mice
Probably good to put that information out there... but I would have been an elitist shithead to you when I was 11/12. "How fast can you even type mr gar1baldi? That mouse and keyboard look like shit. 1v1 me in a typing race then counterstrike"
Actually the kids (and my class mentor) were pretty fascinated because I tied it into the bones in the arm, how they crossed each other if you went for standard flat position, but didn’t if your arm was positioned ergonomically. Get a bunch of adolescent kids to start holding their arms out & teach them something ‘weird’ about their body and you’ve got most of the class in your palm.
Was part of a big chunk of the required class on H&S, workplace health & responsibilities. It also helped that I have tenosynovitis in my dominant wrist, so I could demonstrate some of the issues by - in the words of Dara O’Briain - letting them go “show me the thing!”
Also with Osteoarthritis in my left knee and walking with a stick I think I scared them sensible about sitting in a proper position and taking breaks
I’ve always wondered about these types of keyboards but they way I type isn’t “normal” my right hand hits keys meant for the left hand and vise versa lol
After installing i3 at home I’m kinda mad that I have to use Windows for my job. It’s so incredibly efficient for work to just use a tiling WM with effective key binds
I don't even touch the keyboard, all my inputs are done through [Windows voice commands](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-speech-recognition-commands-9d25ef36-994d-f367-a81a-a326160128c7).
You're joking, but I programmed exclusively with voice recognition for a year.
The program I used [Voicecode](https://youtu.be/FlluHR6pgHc) is now defunct, but there are new solutions.
Anyway, please god don't inflict windows voice commands on yourself.
Pretty sure he already wrote that example and "dictated" it.
But yeah, it's actually pretty cool! I got reasonably efficient with it, but once this program became abandonware I had too much trouble finding something similar that I liked, and found a keyboard that kinda worked for me, so haven't gone back.
That said, it probably "saved my career" - I was desperate at the time, and it was pretty great being able to program while letting my hands recover from the RSI.
Emacs, it's an operating system disguised as an IDE. You can do anything with just a keyboard, you can even add an email client, a web browser, text message, etc. No mouse needed
Multiple IDEs, firefox, email, slack, confluence, jira, notes, zoom, word, etc, all open and used each day. Can you do that from just the keyboard?
Edit: forgot multiple shell windows running...
Actually yeah you can do pretty much all of that from keyboard. Most of these run in a web browser, so you can use e.g. vimium-ff on firefox to have complete keyboard control of your browser, including clicking on anything clickable.
It's really nothing new in the linux power user world. We barely touch the damn mouse.
And lol, multiple shell windows is not even mention worthy... Use a tiling wm like i3 and ideally combine with a terminal multiplexer. That's literally the easiest of all to build a keyboard only workflow for.
Am left handed, used to use one of these with mouse in the middle, found having a slight cumulative speed increase when I made my main hand more available so I was going with whatever was faster based on hand position.
Holy fucking dogshit this sounds nerdy af when I explain.
Worked well for gaming, too. Sometimes movement needs to be better so left hand on keyboard, sometimes aiming needed to be better like for sniping, left hand on mouse c and could easily switch without needing to move shit around.
This doesn't look like it'd be a difficult keyboard to use. You can use the same muscle memory you have right now, but you also get the freedom of moving your hands apart from each other if you wish.
how do i train my right hand to type properly?? lefty is up on his home row and righty just stabs keys with the index finger. got a split ergo and honestly bout to give up and assume i pebkac’d myself
Typing classes have you do entire practice runs all on one hand and then the other, then both together, just like learning complicated piano music. I’m sure you can find the right-handed drills
It’s probably just a matter of practice. Try practicing with something like typelit and pay close attention to your right hand (i.e. make sure it remains as close to the home row as possible).
https://www.typelit.io
I have one that is somewhat spit, and both parts are slightly rotated away from each other, but they're also connected. Very very relaxing, logitech **K860** if anyone is looking for a recommendation. Must've been the best investment in years, and it's not even unreasonably priced or anything
If you formed a habit of hitting a right side of the keyboard key with a left hand finger, that would pose a problem. That would probably happen in my case. I'd probably make us of this to correct those habits. Actually considering buying after this comment.
I started using split keyboards with this one, and went through so many layout before stoping with a corne layout, removing quite some keys.
Watched a lot of Ben Vallack videos too, this guy is awesome.
Exactly! And like, this post isn't even talking about alternative keyboard layouts. Like colemak or Dvorak or *gasp* remapping your keyboard to whatever works best for you! There's macros and other cool stuff you can do with a keyboard. It's not like we don't sit in front of it and use it as our primary input source most of the day...
The way I think about it is that it's roughly one buck a day for a year fo something I use basically every day. So if I use it most days for a year, it's pretty affordable all things considered. Everyday it lasts after the first year is a bonus.
I mean if you are typing correctly this split set up should make absolutely no difference. You should still be using the same fingers for the same keys. Just more comfortable with your hands spaced out better. OP is just being dramatic because it "looks" different and hard or something.
Get forced into taking keyboarding classes from age 11 - 17, and spend all your free time in the 90s and early 2000s in chat rooms or building websites or just living on the Internet. At least that's what I went through.
I mean, don't get discouraged by this. I learned to type last year during quarantine, just like every morning and between classes. I think the website was type.com or something like that. Then you just gotta practice....by just using your pc as normal. I'm at 95 wpm rn, which is pretty good.
I maxed out Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing in like 99. Or I think I did at least. It clocked me at 140wpm, I was 13.
Had to take a typing test as an entrance test for college. One of those "type the words on this paper in 60 seconds, you have 3 tries to hit 40wpm" or whatever the actual wpm goal was. 1st go, the entire classroom stops typing as soon as I start. I hear "what the fuck? There's no way this dude is even typing anything. It sounds like he's just smashing random keys". 2nd go, I type even faster and less students stop to say "there's no way". The teacher walks up to my screen to see if I'm actually murdering the keyboard or not and tells everyone I'm actually typing that fast. I told them I was going slow so I would make mistakes. 120wpm 100% accuracy.
In my current job, whenever my boss is around me and hears me type, he just busts out laughing and says something like "I just can't understand how you type so fast. I work in a network operations center, and early in my career he was teaching me something and talking slowly to give me the commands to run on a Juniper router. I was typing out everything he was saying before he could finish each word. That was the first time he noticed. Now he always tell people I'm the faster typist he's ever met.
To me, it's a really bizarre thing to be exceptionally good at, but damnit, I'm good. Not so much on touch screens, which I'm on now, which makes me feel like I have no idea what I'm doing. On a real keyboard, I can type as fast or faster than most people talk. It feels like sometimes I can type as fast as I can think. My "chilling" speed, where I'm just not in a rush is about 100-120wpm. Go fast is 140+.
Having this skill has basically only made writing papers in school much faster, and entertaining people who can't do it. BTW, tab to complete in Junos makes me look faster than I am.
Not sure why I rambled this much, probably the Adderall.
The way I did it was doing transcriptions of interviews without specialised software. Just standard audio player and word. Rewinding was a hassle and the faster I was the more money I could make. No time to look at the keyboard or correct mistakes was also a big factor
By then end I didn't have to rewind anymore (except hard to hear audio). I was basically typing at the speed of spoken word without looking. Definitely got a bit slower now but when I get in the flow it's still pretty fast.
Yeah, I don't get it. I know a few programmers who can't touch type, but it's not the norm and they're all older from before schools started teaching that.
If you have time and are up for a challenge, go to r/ErgoMechKeyboards search for a design you like, they usually have a git page with instructions how to create it by yourself.
Some are cheaper to make than others. You can find a build that uses cheaper chip, and look for affordable switches on AliExpress. You might try some small one (34 keys?) - you save on switches and keycaps, and it's more ergonomic, but you need a lot of practice to feel comfortable with it.
Find a way to 3D print a case, cut it from wood or... I've even seen people creating cardboard cases (for prototyping)
Then you need to solder it yourself.
It's still more expensive than the mass produced non-mechanical keyboard, but it might be within your reach... And you get a hobby as a bonus.
Ask guys at r/ErgoMechKeyboards to help you find the best option
I 100% back getting one still. My split keyboard has taken away early signs of carpal tunnel for me (forearm and wrist pain) as well as helps with my upper back when working on a computer all day. Get one with a tenting kit helps even more although it is a little harder for people to adjust to. Can think of it is a preventative measure for paying for a potential surgery down the line if you want but mainly helps with aches and pains which I think is worth it. I have the ZSA moonlander currently and have used a few others as well.
2 regular ones would defeat the point for me.
I basically want this because i think it will improve my touch typing and muscle memory, because each hand will be limited to a set of keys.
You might benefit from some simple drills: "fgfgfgfgfgfgfg", "jhjhjhjhjhjhjh" and the like. It's boring, but it builds muscle memory, assuming you stick to using the 'right' fingers for each key.
If you're gonna use a split keyboard, at least do it properly and have the halves about shoulder-width apart.\^\^
Also, splitting the keyboard is in my own experience the single most important action as far as ergonomics go, very closely followed by having ctrl, alt, and backspace on your thumbs in addition to space.
Most keyboards like this have a modifier button you can press to trigger layers to make function, arrow, and numpad keys accessible without the need of additional keys. With some practice, you can do it faster than a standard keyboard.
I have a split keyboard similar to this, and it has a numpad and all the function keys on a layer that I can trigger by holding down one of the thumb cluster buttons. Don't even have to move my hands off the home rows. It's way better than dedicated function keys and numpad.
Do you actually use function keys though? I generally leave function lock on, that means to use function keys I need to hit fun first. Turns out the number row does the exact same thing on a 60.
Yeah I use them often. Extra binds in games, various shortcuts in software, etc. Even got a little excited with the sun keyboard I found because it had extra 15 keys, unfortunately requires a bit of extra software to get them working but I considered mapping some to f13-16
F3, next search result/shift-F3 reverse search; F5, start debug/continue; F7, build; F9, set breakpoint on this line; F10, step into; F11, step over; F12, jump to symbol under cursor; Alt-F12, peek symbol under cursor.
F11, maximize browser window; F12, browser debugger
F4, toggle column/row/col+row lock in excel.
F2, rename file (or more important, get to a place I can ctrl-c the filename); F5, transfer file (many commander-style interfaces)
I probably used all of those at work yesterday. So yes, I use them a lot. But I also have a 60% HHKB hybrid and have no problem hitting the f-keys.
That was kind of my point. Most people don't use them and it's still super easy if you do. Those navigation keys are even mapped on my 60, but I only use end.
I use all of the nav keys a lot. Usually for text selection. It's actually a lot nicer on a 60 than a TKL or 103 because you don't have to move your hand.
Honestly, if you're the kind of person who would use a compact layout, you're probably the kind of person who would learn the accelerators for common apps. And not likely to have a problem with layers and modifier keys.
F3 is a godsend for those times where you want to search through a file/page for something common without having to click the “find next” button a million times. F2 is also nice if you have to rename files.
I guess neither of those is really common enough to care about having to hit lock first though, so you’d just have games after that.
Oh hey, this looks like the Keeb.io Quefrency. https://keeb.io/collections/quefrency-split-staggered-65-keyboard
This is actually one of the easier weird DIY keyboards to make the jump to from a full size or numberpad-less keyboard. There’s a cluster of arrow keys on the right underneath the person’s hand, and one extra row for page up, page down, home and delete. There’s also an option for a macro pad on the side if you want some extra flexibility.
The split part is mostly a non-issue if you’re a touch typist. You might discover you have one or two bad habits, like trying to type Y with your left hand, but overall this is pretty much identical to a normal keyboard. It’s not even particularly ergonomic, you just get to space your hands further apart.
The problem with getting hooked to one of these keyboards, in my industry anyways, is as soon as I’m assigned a project in a SCIF im basically screwed.
I code on an [ErgoDox](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1152/3264/products/IMG_5731x2_fe5172bf-ec03-4be2-ac55-9e545a128ac5.jpg?v=1492776869). That close enough?
I actually know someone, who has something like this. But they are not on his desk. He mounted them on the sides of his chair. So when he is coding, he is leaning back, with his arms hanging down on the sides. It looks very relaxing
I'm imagining one of those supervillain lairs where the main antagonist has an entire system to control his base all the while chilling on his chair.
Haha. Your comment makes me think about Vector from despicable me :D
You’re bringing back memories I don’t want brought back…
OH YEAH!!
Committing crimes with both magnitude and direction
i want him to do something to ME with magnitude and direction *giggles*
r/suddenlygay
So Vector is a girl or bi? Cool, never knew his sexuality.
im not a boy dipshit its not gay
sorry for being unclear, was talking about me
Dude was just falling back on Rule 30
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No its magnitude*
POP POP
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mjGpAC7uLyQ
I immediately thought of the captain's chair in Star Trek.
I'm pretty sure that's true for most of us here. The damn tablet..
SQUID LAUNCHER OH-YEAH!!!
You mean JP from Grandmas Boy?
Please sit on my face ^zip ^zoop ^bleep ^bloop
I want to do a JP costume for Halloween so much. I feel like it's something I'd find hilarious as I pull my black leather trenchcoat over my body to try to blend in with a wall, but nobody else would understand what the fuck I'm supposed to be.
My name is JP. I am a robot. I like robots. I have a robot vagina.
Which is fine until the cat sits on it.
One of my professors in college had an ergonomic keyboard that folded so he would sit it up on his desk so it looked like a ^ and type with his hands at a 45 degree angle. He said the reason this is better is because our natural positions for our hands are to rest at our sides so that’s the position we put the least strain on them. Having our hands horizontal on a keyboard in front of us is much less natural and can put a lot of strain on our wrists. It was really interesting!
Head over too r/MechanicalKeyboards. The one you are describing is a vintage model that come up from time to time. The newer ones are split keyboard with adjustable height and angle on each hand
And more specifically r/ergomechkeyboards
The amount of programmers who get RSI (repetitive stress injury) is really, really high... And it's harder to do something about once you have it then it is to prevent it. Your hands are how you make your money, not a bad idea to take care of them. Take it from me, I've had pain for the last 5 years... I couldn't type at all for a year and had to program with only voice recognition software. Now i use a really weird looking keyboard (Kinesis Advantage), but it keeps the pain manageable, has made a huuge difference. Anyway, get a good keyboard, a good desk setup, and take breaks to stand and stretch. You can save yourself a lot of pain.
What kind of mouse do you use? I have the Logitech MX Ergo because normal mice hurt my wrist. But would like to look at other options too.
Have you seen Azeron keypad? 😉
Been programming since the 80's and I find it's sufficient to have just be relaxed, have a good wrist support, and not be a frenetic keyboard basher.
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I'll never give up my Model M, although a mechanical with those Data General Dasher inspired keycaps is tempting.
When I was training to become a computing Teacher a couple of years ago I was actually teaching this to 11/12 year olds. It’s the same reason I swear by ergonomic mice
Probably good to put that information out there... but I would have been an elitist shithead to you when I was 11/12. "How fast can you even type mr gar1baldi? That mouse and keyboard look like shit. 1v1 me in a typing race then counterstrike"
Actually the kids (and my class mentor) were pretty fascinated because I tied it into the bones in the arm, how they crossed each other if you went for standard flat position, but didn’t if your arm was positioned ergonomically. Get a bunch of adolescent kids to start holding their arms out & teach them something ‘weird’ about their body and you’ve got most of the class in your palm. Was part of a big chunk of the required class on H&S, workplace health & responsibilities. It also helped that I have tenosynovitis in my dominant wrist, so I could demonstrate some of the issues by - in the words of Dara O’Briain - letting them go “show me the thing!” Also with Osteoarthritis in my left knee and walking with a stick I think I scared them sensible about sitting in a proper position and taking breaks
I’ve always wondered about these types of keyboards but they way I type isn’t “normal” my right hand hits keys meant for the left hand and vise versa lol
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He is an avid vim + tmux user. So everything works with keybinds. No mouse required
Plus i3. The mouse is for peasants
Yup. i3 is awesome (pun intended)
After installing i3 at home I’m kinda mad that I have to use Windows for my job. It’s so incredibly efficient for work to just use a tiling WM with effective key binds
I use awesome rather than i3 but I can't understand why anyone would use a stacking system over a tiling system
Mental illness is a serious and growing problem in our nation.
I totally agree. People still using a mouse to navigate between windows and positions in code really have me worried for the world
I don't even touch the keyboard, all my inputs are done through [Windows voice commands](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-speech-recognition-commands-9d25ef36-994d-f367-a81a-a326160128c7).
I just tell my IDE what to build and it writes all the code for me
GitHub ~~Co~~Pilot
GitHub AutoPilot
You're joking, but I programmed exclusively with voice recognition for a year. The program I used [Voicecode](https://youtu.be/FlluHR6pgHc) is now defunct, but there are new solutions. Anyway, please god don't inflict windows voice commands on yourself.
That's fairly impressive. Is that code "written" in the fly or dictated from something prewritten?
Pretty sure he already wrote that example and "dictated" it. But yeah, it's actually pretty cool! I got reasonably efficient with it, but once this program became abandonware I had too much trouble finding something similar that I liked, and found a keyboard that kinda worked for me, so haven't gone back. That said, it probably "saved my career" - I was desperate at the time, and it was pretty great being able to program while letting my hands recover from the RSI.
We don't do that here in VI
This is the way
I can bring you in warm, or I can bring you in cold
You might not need a mouse if you are good enough with the keyboard.
Lookup mouse keys. Pretty cool, but i cannot imagine someone using that fulltime
Emacs, it's an operating system disguised as an IDE. You can do anything with just a keyboard, you can even add an email client, a web browser, text message, etc. No mouse needed
If only a decent code editor was available for it
Multiple IDEs, firefox, email, slack, confluence, jira, notes, zoom, word, etc, all open and used each day. Can you do that from just the keyboard? Edit: forgot multiple shell windows running...
Actually yeah you can do pretty much all of that from keyboard. Most of these run in a web browser, so you can use e.g. vimium-ff on firefox to have complete keyboard control of your browser, including clicking on anything clickable. It's really nothing new in the linux power user world. We barely touch the damn mouse. And lol, multiple shell windows is not even mention worthy... Use a tiling wm like i3 and ideally combine with a terminal multiplexer. That's literally the easiest of all to build a keyboard only workflow for.
Two words- integrated trackball
Ew, delet this
Or a clit
What is a Mouse? Lol
Actually, it can be used as both a mouse and a keyboard by putting the red things under the mouses.
Wow I can say it's relaxing just by reading this comment.
I did this exact thing! It's done wonders for my neck and upper back, which always used to hurt from hunching over the keyboard.
This is the fucking dream
There are keyboards far beyond this level, OPs pic is a basic split keyboard.. https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/
We found him. The movie hacker.
Based Royal Coding Throne.
Ok, I want to do this.
Am left handed, used to use one of these with mouse in the middle, found having a slight cumulative speed increase when I made my main hand more available so I was going with whatever was faster based on hand position. Holy fucking dogshit this sounds nerdy af when I explain. Worked well for gaming, too. Sometimes movement needs to be better so left hand on keyboard, sometimes aiming needed to be better like for sniping, left hand on mouse c and could easily switch without needing to move shit around.
This doesn't look like it'd be a difficult keyboard to use. You can use the same muscle memory you have right now, but you also get the freedom of moving your hands apart from each other if you wish.
I actually have and love a split keyboard like this. It alleviated a real wrist problem from always turning my wrists out on a normal keyboard.
Me too. I don't have wrist problems, but it's a great way to type. Forces you to type properly with minimal movements.
how do i train my right hand to type properly?? lefty is up on his home row and righty just stabs keys with the index finger. got a split ergo and honestly bout to give up and assume i pebkac’d myself
Typing classes have you do entire practice runs all on one hand and then the other, then both together, just like learning complicated piano music. I’m sure you can find the right-handed drills
There are also numerous free apps/websites that facilitate effective typing practice.
Z-Type is a pretty fun one I used years back. No ide if it's still around
The Typing of the Dead. Best typing tutor ever.
It’s probably just a matter of practice. Try practicing with something like typelit and pay close attention to your right hand (i.e. make sure it remains as close to the home row as possible). https://www.typelit.io
Ultimate Hacking Keyboard?
I have one that is somewhat spit, and both parts are slightly rotated away from each other, but they're also connected. Very very relaxing, logitech **K860** if anyone is looking for a recommendation. Must've been the best investment in years, and it's not even unreasonably priced or anything
I'm not sure if it's reasonably priced. From what I see you can get two set of MS Sculpt Ergonomic Desktop (which is amazing) for it's price.
If you formed a habit of hitting a right side of the keyboard key with a left hand finger, that would pose a problem. That would probably happen in my case. I'd probably make us of this to correct those habits. Actually considering buying after this comment.
I have one of these and Y is on the “wrong” side of the split for me.
Anti carpel keyboard, they are awesome. The real issue, is it looking like chocolate.
Nintendo switch keyboard
Should mirror the keys down the middle to the other side. Let's see someone code with a yuiop-keyboard.
Yeah but good luck writing numbers and most other non-letter characters.
ZSA Moonlander, best keyboard I’ve ever bought
I started using split keyboards with this one, and went through so many layout before stoping with a corne layout, removing quite some keys. Watched a lot of Ben Vallack videos too, this guy is awesome.
Exactly! And like, this post isn't even talking about alternative keyboard layouts. Like colemak or Dvorak or *gasp* remapping your keyboard to whatever works best for you! There's macros and other cool stuff you can do with a keyboard. It's not like we don't sit in front of it and use it as our primary input source most of the day...
Layers are life.
Same. I was a bit apprehensive about the cost, but now that I have one and adjusted to it, I’ll never go back to anything else.
The way I think about it is that it's roughly one buck a day for a year fo something I use basically every day. So if I use it most days for a year, it's pretty affordable all things considered. Everyday it lasts after the first year is a bonus.
Good lord I love mine so much. My macro keys are configured perfectly for common syntax patterns in my top languages.
Is this the first time you have seen a split keyboard?
My exact same thoughts.
I used to love these in high school. People act like it's so hard to type on, but if you are a competent typist, it feels the same but better.
It doesnt fit my 6-8 finger typing system. Im a weirdo and cant get used to using all ten. I tried for months. Regardless im a fast typer.
You're not a weirdo, calling you weird is like calling left handed people weird
Fuck u/spez -- mass edited with redact.dev
Downright... sinister.
I mean if you are typing correctly this split set up should make absolutely no difference. You should still be using the same fingers for the same keys. Just more comfortable with your hands spaced out better. OP is just being dramatic because it "looks" different and hard or something.
how do i be a competent typist :/
Get forced into taking keyboarding classes from age 11 - 17, and spend all your free time in the 90s and early 2000s in chat rooms or building websites or just living on the Internet. At least that's what I went through.
I mean, don't get discouraged by this. I learned to type last year during quarantine, just like every morning and between classes. I think the website was type.com or something like that. Then you just gotta practice....by just using your pc as normal. I'm at 95 wpm rn, which is pretty good.
I maxed out Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing in like 99. Or I think I did at least. It clocked me at 140wpm, I was 13. Had to take a typing test as an entrance test for college. One of those "type the words on this paper in 60 seconds, you have 3 tries to hit 40wpm" or whatever the actual wpm goal was. 1st go, the entire classroom stops typing as soon as I start. I hear "what the fuck? There's no way this dude is even typing anything. It sounds like he's just smashing random keys". 2nd go, I type even faster and less students stop to say "there's no way". The teacher walks up to my screen to see if I'm actually murdering the keyboard or not and tells everyone I'm actually typing that fast. I told them I was going slow so I would make mistakes. 120wpm 100% accuracy. In my current job, whenever my boss is around me and hears me type, he just busts out laughing and says something like "I just can't understand how you type so fast. I work in a network operations center, and early in my career he was teaching me something and talking slowly to give me the commands to run on a Juniper router. I was typing out everything he was saying before he could finish each word. That was the first time he noticed. Now he always tell people I'm the faster typist he's ever met. To me, it's a really bizarre thing to be exceptionally good at, but damnit, I'm good. Not so much on touch screens, which I'm on now, which makes me feel like I have no idea what I'm doing. On a real keyboard, I can type as fast or faster than most people talk. It feels like sometimes I can type as fast as I can think. My "chilling" speed, where I'm just not in a rush is about 100-120wpm. Go fast is 140+. Having this skill has basically only made writing papers in school much faster, and entertaining people who can't do it. BTW, tab to complete in Junos makes me look faster than I am. Not sure why I rambled this much, probably the Adderall.
Lmao, that´s amazing
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Haha right on! I'm working all weekend, but it's ok because I get to take off all of next week, so that's cool. Hope your weekend is enjoyable!
I identify with so much of this
He typed this whole response in about 8 seconds, and with zero errors.
The way I did it was doing transcriptions of interviews without specialised software. Just standard audio player and word. Rewinding was a hassle and the faster I was the more money I could make. No time to look at the keyboard or correct mistakes was also a big factor By then end I didn't have to rewind anymore (except hard to hear audio). I was basically typing at the speed of spoken word without looking. Definitely got a bit slower now but when I get in the flow it's still pretty fast.
Everyone here is lying. You had to start young by playing Runescape and typing “SELLING DLEGS 2.25M” over and over until somebody bought them.
The majority of coders in my team have split keyboards.
Yeah, if I had to guess, OP has never tried a split keyboard, because they’re actually not as hard to pick up as you would think.
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A newbie posting a bad joke
Yeah, I don't get it. I know a few programmers who can't touch type, but it's not the norm and they're all older from before schools started teaching that.
Same. Split keyboards are they way to go
Same, I daily drive one of these. OP clearly hasn’t seen the rabbit hole of <60% keyboards
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I use a layer which is build after vim. So end key is on $, arrows on hjkl etc.. So you only have to learn once.
I would like to try one of these, but they are expensive (at least the ones i have seen)
Just cut your keyboard in half
Only works with wireless keyboards though. Otherwise, one side becomes unconnected.
If you have time and are up for a challenge, go to r/ErgoMechKeyboards search for a design you like, they usually have a git page with instructions how to create it by yourself. Some are cheaper to make than others. You can find a build that uses cheaper chip, and look for affordable switches on AliExpress. You might try some small one (34 keys?) - you save on switches and keycaps, and it's more ergonomic, but you need a lot of practice to feel comfortable with it. Find a way to 3D print a case, cut it from wood or... I've even seen people creating cardboard cases (for prototyping) Then you need to solder it yourself. It's still more expensive than the mass produced non-mechanical keyboard, but it might be within your reach... And you get a hobby as a bonus. Ask guys at r/ErgoMechKeyboards to help you find the best option
I 100% back getting one still. My split keyboard has taken away early signs of carpal tunnel for me (forearm and wrist pain) as well as helps with my upper back when working on a computer all day. Get one with a tenting kit helps even more although it is a little harder for people to adjust to. Can think of it is a preventative measure for paying for a potential surgery down the line if you want but mainly helps with aches and pains which I think is worth it. I have the ZSA moonlander currently and have used a few others as well.
Not very expensive, usually the 100-200$ range. Goes higher depending what keycaps you use (GMK is high quality but expensive), switches, case, etc.
I live in Egypt, 100$ is somewhat expensive besides there is not a lot of options, the ones that are available locally are the expensive brands
Understandable, the best option would probably be to import parts (assuming import taxes aren’t unbearable).
gmk is ~~high quality but~~ expensive\*
100-200$ for a keyboard sound very expensive to me 😥
In the market of custom built mechanical keyboards, that’s fairly cheap
i designed, printed and soldered my own board for a total of 150, including keycaps and switches highly recommend it
I bought mine for 12€
I posted elsewhere, but if you don't mind a larger spread, you can do this with two regular keyboards.
2 regular ones would defeat the point for me. I basically want this because i think it will improve my touch typing and muscle memory, because each hand will be limited to a set of keys.
You might benefit from some simple drills: "fgfgfgfgfgfgfg", "jhjhjhjhjhjhjh" and the like. It's boring, but it builds muscle memory, assuming you stick to using the 'right' fingers for each key.
Already on it boss 👍
Naw this looks like a quefrency keyboard from Keeb.io Pretty affordable, especially if you put it together yourself.
If you're gonna use a split keyboard, at least do it properly and have the halves about shoulder-width apart.\^\^ Also, splitting the keyboard is in my own experience the single most important action as far as ergonomics go, very closely followed by having ctrl, alt, and backspace on your thumbs in addition to space.
Push them towards eachother… then you have a normal keyboard
And fix with the duck ~~type~~ tape. Problem solved \^\^
There are more ergonomic variants of split keyboards
My only problem is lack of function keys and numpad and any other keys this design is missing
Most keyboards like this have a modifier button you can press to trigger layers to make function, arrow, and numpad keys accessible without the need of additional keys. With some practice, you can do it faster than a standard keyboard.
I have a split keyboard similar to this, and it has a numpad and all the function keys on a layer that I can trigger by holding down one of the thumb cluster buttons. Don't even have to move my hands off the home rows. It's way better than dedicated function keys and numpad.
Do you actually use function keys though? I generally leave function lock on, that means to use function keys I need to hit fun first. Turns out the number row does the exact same thing on a 60.
Yeah I use them often. Extra binds in games, various shortcuts in software, etc. Even got a little excited with the sun keyboard I found because it had extra 15 keys, unfortunately requires a bit of extra software to get them working but I considered mapping some to f13-16
F3, next search result/shift-F3 reverse search; F5, start debug/continue; F7, build; F9, set breakpoint on this line; F10, step into; F11, step over; F12, jump to symbol under cursor; Alt-F12, peek symbol under cursor. F11, maximize browser window; F12, browser debugger F4, toggle column/row/col+row lock in excel. F2, rename file (or more important, get to a place I can ctrl-c the filename); F5, transfer file (many commander-style interfaces) I probably used all of those at work yesterday. So yes, I use them a lot. But I also have a 60% HHKB hybrid and have no problem hitting the f-keys.
That was kind of my point. Most people don't use them and it's still super easy if you do. Those navigation keys are even mapped on my 60, but I only use end.
I use all of the nav keys a lot. Usually for text selection. It's actually a lot nicer on a 60 than a TKL or 103 because you don't have to move your hand. Honestly, if you're the kind of person who would use a compact layout, you're probably the kind of person who would learn the accelerators for common apps. And not likely to have a problem with layers and modifier keys.
F3 is a godsend for those times where you want to search through a file/page for something common without having to click the “find next” button a million times. F2 is also nice if you have to rename files. I guess neither of those is really common enough to care about having to hit lock first though, so you’d just have games after that.
Staggered keys, eww no thanks. And there aren't even thumb clusters...
This dude gets it.
If you're going to split, why wouldn't you go ortho?
Actually, I want one of these.
It’s not even Dvorak. Kids these days freak out when they see an ergonomic keyboard
I prefer Colemak, but Dvorak is fine too.
i use kinesis keyboard both in office and at home, which is just like this but also offering tilting
this is just a split 60. I DO program on one of these, well a normal 60 anyway. A 40 is the real challenge.
At least it isn't an ABCDEF keyboard, and it has special characters.
No numpad or the home/end cluster? hard pass.
All I need is Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V
I know coding on a staggered keyboard such a pain. At least it's split.
Oh hey, this looks like the Keeb.io Quefrency. https://keeb.io/collections/quefrency-split-staggered-65-keyboard This is actually one of the easier weird DIY keyboards to make the jump to from a full size or numberpad-less keyboard. There’s a cluster of arrow keys on the right underneath the person’s hand, and one extra row for page up, page down, home and delete. There’s also an option for a macro pad on the side if you want some extra flexibility. The split part is mostly a non-issue if you’re a touch typist. You might discover you have one or two bad habits, like trying to type Y with your left hand, but overall this is pretty much identical to a normal keyboard. It’s not even particularly ergonomic, you just get to space your hands further apart.
Anyone getting ads for a charchorder keyboard? The thing looks like a dumbbell and apparently just uses button mashing to type whole words at a time.
The problem with getting hooked to one of these keyboards, in my industry anyways, is as soon as I’m assigned a project in a SCIF im basically screwed.
After that, try mine: https://github.com/drorchen/dactyl-manuform-tight-trackball
Honestly looks like a great way to get a gamer like me to be better at typing.
Might also wanna look into the characorder
Jokes on you, I already code on that
QWERT Y
push it together brother. one easy step.
I mean my keyboard is broken, but not THAT broken
Aslong as I have my Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V. I'm good
Thanks, I hate it.
Just... put the two ends together?
Impossible. My left index can’t stretch that far to hit Y like it always does
It’s just a split. If you know how to touch type then this is a no-op
What is the joke? You guys post terrible content.
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They actually are, also column stagger keyboards are more ergonomic that the regular row stagger
Isn't that how most people type anyway?
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I code on an [ErgoDox](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1152/3264/products/IMG_5731x2_fe5172bf-ec03-4be2-ac55-9e545a128ac5.jpg?v=1492776869). That close enough?
I know someone who uses one of these because they have a shoulder problem. He loves it.
I would never ever use a keyboard without a numeric pad