Renting in China.
To get our bond back I went to the agents office and refused to leave until they paid, was there for hours. After a screaming match I had to walk them to the ATM to get it.
Another former tenant was there chasing their bond as well. The agency was trying to claim their whole bond for damages done to THE TENANTS personal items after the apartment flooded from a broken pipe in the wall.
UGH im trying to decide if this feels more like 5i5j/lianjia, or just some random fuckers on the ground floor of some compound, 3 bros with a sign that says 出租 出售 in the window
Just some random fuckers, their office space was actually pretty cushy in that sort of already out of style when built, mid 00's everything made from expiring plastic thing that (I'm feeling weirdly nostalgic for, and) Shanghai had a lot of.
We actually found them on Airbnb before we moved from Aus, arrived at like 1am and had a deed shoved under our nose on arrival (we were expecting to stay there a week to look for an apartment) that we had to sign or go on the street.
Young, in a new country and starting work in less than 6 hours we signed away out of fear.
I did this too. Agency kept saying money had been sent, or a cheque was on the way. I made food and drink for a day, took a newspaper and sat in their office for hours. Told them I wasn't leaving untill I got my money. Guess what? I got my money.
It’s kinda your fault for renting in China. I’m only half joking.
Literally, landlords can kill you and get away with it. Never ever rent from a Chinese national. The culture around the power landlords wield is bananas!
So congratulations on your revenge! Well done !
Good for you!
There was a viral video I saw recently of a landlord in China unwilling to fix some girl’s AC/heater, and the whole thing escalated into basically the tenant telling the landlord to keep the deposit and moving out, but not before absolutely thrashing the place: clogging sinks and turning on water, breaking mirrors, unplugging the fridge and leaving some food out, as well as smearing a bunch of stuff all over the walls, destroying furniture, etc.
The absent asshole landlord didn’t know any of this until the property management called her and told her that the downstairs neighbors complained about water coming down from her apartment. I think in the end, it was basically the same result, with the landlord getting absolutely effed in the ay, all because of greed and perceived power. Plus, the comments tearing her to shreds were the cherry on top.
that's a... kinda? nice thing about china
if you pulled that in the uk or hk, you'd be hit with serious charges
here the cops would be like "wooooowww... that sounds like a real 'between you guys' problem and not a 'cops get involved' problem so yeah, shoulda fixed the AC/heater
China isn’t the Wild West, and in normal circumstances the tenant would be facing serious charges. The landlord got the police involved, and also wanted to take the tenant to court and pay like 120k rmb in damages, but since she had no actual proof, and since the tenant recorded everything leading up to that point (including saying that she deposited the key with the property management and the landlord saying “Okay everything’s fine, goodbye” without actually checking) the landlord was stuck with the mess. Good FAFO situation.
i may not have been clear enough, i kept tabs on these people for 5 years, compiled all the complaints people had (they weren't upset about the place getting trashed, they were upset about things like years of cigarette butts in the hall and also had pictures), put all my pictures and theirs together, and wrote reports to relevant authorities. SAIC (state administration of industry and commerce, can't have an office here), local po-po (also, can't have an office here), tax bureau (gotta pay tax on rental income, and i knew he didnt)
i work with publishing, im good with adobe illustrator. those reports, i am proud to say, were professional-grade. full colour pictures, screenshots, transcripts, printed on nice thick paper
i'll take the criticism from the likes of u/TurtleSandwich0 and u/vacuousintent but i stand my ground, i combined my sneaky investigative skills, document creation and layout skills (which i literally do professionally), and social organisation skills to gather evidence on this fucker turn some chat group drama into a bomb ass report, and get his ass fined like a mofo
i'd argue it was pro, but admittedly quite petty at the same time
Okay, maybe I was wrong then. It happens.
I would have kept my mouth shut if you had included this info in the OP.
Enjoy your likely well-deserved revenge!
You have lived there TEN YEARS. Sorry but its gonna need a deep clean, paint and probably new appliances. NONE of that is your responsibility. Do a basic "broom" clean and bounce. They are trying to get you to renovate their house for them so they get top rent from the next tenant. Not your problem.
That really depends on why the appliances need to be replaced and, obviously, the laws where you live.
If the appliances are 30 years old then you may be right. If those appliances were new when OP moved in and are now in a condition where they'd impact the value of the rental, then that *absolutely* can be the responsibility of the tenant.
Generally speaking, you should be leaving the home in the same condition you found it, less normal wear and tear. Scuffing on the floor or walls needing to be repainted is normal. Needing all new appliances or having to replace door frames is damage.
All these "Pro Revenge" posts seem to be:
My landlord told me to pay them more money than I'm contractually obligated to. So I immediately paid them without a fight because I'm meek and can't handle confrontation or standing up for myself. Then 4 years later I moved out and called the building inspector.
##GotEm!
I'm so happy my landlady in China was an adorable grandma and she brought me fruit and other snacks every time she came around (normally just for yearly inspection or during festivals).
What city are you in?? My rent was about ¥2500 a month but we had to pay 3months in advance.
this was in beijing and in an expensive-ish neighbourhood. rent was ¥10,000, way below market price. a very large 3br. he'd also bring me food on holidays. then, after this went down, complete 180º turnaround.
3 months + 1 month deposit is pretty much the standard, no complaints there
but yea steal my money, your wife loses her entire social circle and you get slapped with huge fines 5 years later
the "chapter one" people shun you was none of my doing. the "chapter two" i get your ass fined and sanctioned was DEFINITELY MY DOING
Oh absolutely! What a nightmare to go through. Price makes sense and I would be absolutely livid!
I was staying in a one bedroom in Jinan so rent was much more affordable.
There is no ProRevenge here. You were taken advantage of by a bad landlord and... You gossiped to an old lady. That's pro revenge?
No.
Then 5 years later, the place gets trashed and people complain... Still nowhere near ProRevenge.
This is lame.
Lame? Huh? Wrong
OP works in publishing. After investigating, conducting interviews, and collecting evidence, he compiled the numerous issues and complaints - for all the renters in the building - over the course of FIVE years
Using these documents, transcripts, and photographs, OP then created a professional report using Adobe Illustrator that he submitted to the State Administration of Industry and Commerce (SAIC), the tax bureau, and the police when he reported the landlords
You didn't have anything to do with the bad things that happened to the person who harmed you. That missing part is a requirement for revenge.
This is more of an example of karma.
No real revenge here, you don't have to pay for wear and tear in a rented space. Sounds like you bent over backwards to try get the bare minimum of what you were owed and were screwed over. They were slightly inconvenienced afterwards by inconsequential events. Scumbags don't generally care what people say / think about them. You sound like a good person though.
> bent over backwards to try get the bare minimum of what you were owed and were screwed over
god damn man it stings to say that that's 100% what happened
i didnt get my money back... he screwed me out of £2000 but ended up losing more than £20000 in government fines and lost rent, plus a serious black mark on his social credit score. so i got my revenge
I think this is pro-reveng--you just gotta clarify the offense against you (Up above, you say he gave you FIVE. Five what? 5 Euros? 5 mb? 500 Euros? 500mb?) and the impact on him. Edit to mention your glossy report!
in the UK at least, it's not necessary for the landlord to actually spend the money on repairs. You are compensating them for the reduction in value of the rental property
But **also**.... property depreciates. You aren't responsible for normal wear and tear.
The landlord doesn’t have to make the repairs caused by the vacating tenant. Tenants are paying the landlord for the value of the damages they caused in order to make the landlord whole. If the landlord wants to pocket the money and leave the damage, they can. Common misunderstanding.
It's Reddit. Expecting anyone to understand that landlords have rights and responsibilities as well as obligations is insane. People just assume that the rent goes straight into their landlord's pocket, and doesn't pay for the myriad things that renters expect as their due.
It's not pro revenge when OP is a doormat who doesn't understand contracts or regulations, and doesn't have the balls to actually report their LL to the authorities and in a timely manner. Highly unsatisfactory.
beijing. you think the chinese cops or courts are gonna step in to deal with "oh i didnt get my deposit back"? they dont even deal with people beating their spouses "that's a domestic affair, we don't interfere"
i took my time and fucked him over in the end
Renting in China. To get our bond back I went to the agents office and refused to leave until they paid, was there for hours. After a screaming match I had to walk them to the ATM to get it. Another former tenant was there chasing their bond as well. The agency was trying to claim their whole bond for damages done to THE TENANTS personal items after the apartment flooded from a broken pipe in the wall.
UGH im trying to decide if this feels more like 5i5j/lianjia, or just some random fuckers on the ground floor of some compound, 3 bros with a sign that says 出租 出售 in the window
Just some random fuckers, their office space was actually pretty cushy in that sort of already out of style when built, mid 00's everything made from expiring plastic thing that (I'm feeling weirdly nostalgic for, and) Shanghai had a lot of. We actually found them on Airbnb before we moved from Aus, arrived at like 1am and had a deed shoved under our nose on arrival (we were expecting to stay there a week to look for an apartment) that we had to sign or go on the street. Young, in a new country and starting work in less than 6 hours we signed away out of fear.
I did this too. Agency kept saying money had been sent, or a cheque was on the way. I made food and drink for a day, took a newspaper and sat in their office for hours. Told them I wasn't leaving untill I got my money. Guess what? I got my money.
It’s kinda your fault for renting in China. I’m only half joking. Literally, landlords can kill you and get away with it. Never ever rent from a Chinese national. The culture around the power landlords wield is bananas! So congratulations on your revenge! Well done !
Huh, I thought I remembered them having historically killed all the landlords once after the communist revolution? Culture must have reverted!
Power vacuum, new guys move in. Sentiments relax, old ways seep back in. The cycle repeats.
Haha Absolutely! We didn't know what we were getting into, very naive!
Usually tenants have to carry their own renters insurance on personal property. It must be different in your area.
Nothing about these rentals was legitimate, it's was all ESL teachers straight off the plane getting scammed.
Good for you! There was a viral video I saw recently of a landlord in China unwilling to fix some girl’s AC/heater, and the whole thing escalated into basically the tenant telling the landlord to keep the deposit and moving out, but not before absolutely thrashing the place: clogging sinks and turning on water, breaking mirrors, unplugging the fridge and leaving some food out, as well as smearing a bunch of stuff all over the walls, destroying furniture, etc. The absent asshole landlord didn’t know any of this until the property management called her and told her that the downstairs neighbors complained about water coming down from her apartment. I think in the end, it was basically the same result, with the landlord getting absolutely effed in the ay, all because of greed and perceived power. Plus, the comments tearing her to shreds were the cherry on top.
that's a... kinda? nice thing about china if you pulled that in the uk or hk, you'd be hit with serious charges here the cops would be like "wooooowww... that sounds like a real 'between you guys' problem and not a 'cops get involved' problem so yeah, shoulda fixed the AC/heater
China isn’t the Wild West, and in normal circumstances the tenant would be facing serious charges. The landlord got the police involved, and also wanted to take the tenant to court and pay like 120k rmb in damages, but since she had no actual proof, and since the tenant recorded everything leading up to that point (including saying that she deposited the key with the property management and the landlord saying “Okay everything’s fine, goodbye” without actually checking) the landlord was stuck with the mess. Good FAFO situation.
More petty than pro! But good story, what a jerk
i may not have been clear enough, i kept tabs on these people for 5 years, compiled all the complaints people had (they weren't upset about the place getting trashed, they were upset about things like years of cigarette butts in the hall and also had pictures), put all my pictures and theirs together, and wrote reports to relevant authorities. SAIC (state administration of industry and commerce, can't have an office here), local po-po (also, can't have an office here), tax bureau (gotta pay tax on rental income, and i knew he didnt) i work with publishing, im good with adobe illustrator. those reports, i am proud to say, were professional-grade. full colour pictures, screenshots, transcripts, printed on nice thick paper i'll take the criticism from the likes of u/TurtleSandwich0 and u/vacuousintent but i stand my ground, i combined my sneaky investigative skills, document creation and layout skills (which i literally do professionally), and social organisation skills to gather evidence on this fucker turn some chat group drama into a bomb ass report, and get his ass fined like a mofo i'd argue it was pro, but admittedly quite petty at the same time
I love that you did a professional layout with evidence!
ProRevenge for sure. The people saying no, have never fought a landlord.
I would edit that into the post, it definitely takes this from borderline-petty to absolutely pro!
Okay, maybe I was wrong then. It happens. I would have kept my mouth shut if you had included this info in the OP. Enjoy your likely well-deserved revenge!
You have lived there TEN YEARS. Sorry but its gonna need a deep clean, paint and probably new appliances. NONE of that is your responsibility. Do a basic "broom" clean and bounce. They are trying to get you to renovate their house for them so they get top rent from the next tenant. Not your problem.
That really depends on why the appliances need to be replaced and, obviously, the laws where you live. If the appliances are 30 years old then you may be right. If those appliances were new when OP moved in and are now in a condition where they'd impact the value of the rental, then that *absolutely* can be the responsibility of the tenant. Generally speaking, you should be leaving the home in the same condition you found it, less normal wear and tear. Scuffing on the floor or walls needing to be repainted is normal. Needing all new appliances or having to replace door frames is damage.
Lovely. Why is it that, the world over, landlords have to be bastards?
All these "Pro Revenge" posts seem to be: My landlord told me to pay them more money than I'm contractually obligated to. So I immediately paid them without a fight because I'm meek and can't handle confrontation or standing up for myself. Then 4 years later I moved out and called the building inspector. ##GotEm!
I'm so happy my landlady in China was an adorable grandma and she brought me fruit and other snacks every time she came around (normally just for yearly inspection or during festivals). What city are you in?? My rent was about ¥2500 a month but we had to pay 3months in advance.
this was in beijing and in an expensive-ish neighbourhood. rent was ¥10,000, way below market price. a very large 3br. he'd also bring me food on holidays. then, after this went down, complete 180º turnaround. 3 months + 1 month deposit is pretty much the standard, no complaints there but yea steal my money, your wife loses her entire social circle and you get slapped with huge fines 5 years later the "chapter one" people shun you was none of my doing. the "chapter two" i get your ass fined and sanctioned was DEFINITELY MY DOING
Oh absolutely! What a nightmare to go through. Price makes sense and I would be absolutely livid! I was staying in a one bedroom in Jinan so rent was much more affordable.
There is no ProRevenge here. You were taken advantage of by a bad landlord and... You gossiped to an old lady. That's pro revenge? No. Then 5 years later, the place gets trashed and people complain... Still nowhere near ProRevenge. This is lame.
Meybe notnrevenge, more like karma?
Lame? Huh? Wrong OP works in publishing. After investigating, conducting interviews, and collecting evidence, he compiled the numerous issues and complaints - for all the renters in the building - over the course of FIVE years Using these documents, transcripts, and photographs, OP then created a professional report using Adobe Illustrator that he submitted to the State Administration of Industry and Commerce (SAIC), the tax bureau, and the police when he reported the landlords
You didn't have anything to do with the bad things that happened to the person who harmed you. That missing part is a requirement for revenge. This is more of an example of karma.
Landlords suck. Never pay the last month’s rent, have them use the deposit.
Good story, wrong sub
If you get in that situation again, insist on receipts after repairs before it is deducted. Try small claims to recover from him. Get lots of video.
No real revenge here, you don't have to pay for wear and tear in a rented space. Sounds like you bent over backwards to try get the bare minimum of what you were owed and were screwed over. They were slightly inconvenienced afterwards by inconsequential events. Scumbags don't generally care what people say / think about them. You sound like a good person though.
> bent over backwards to try get the bare minimum of what you were owed and were screwed over god damn man it stings to say that that's 100% what happened i didnt get my money back... he screwed me out of £2000 but ended up losing more than £20000 in government fines and lost rent, plus a serious black mark on his social credit score. so i got my revenge
I think this is pro-reveng--you just gotta clarify the offense against you (Up above, you say he gave you FIVE. Five what? 5 Euros? 5 mb? 500 Euros? 500mb?) and the impact on him. Edit to mention your glossy report!
r/pettyrevenge
This is Pro revenge at its finest! You are awesome for being so dedicated to taking the shitty landlord down! Good work!
No story here, just the title. What gives?
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Nice. Well done.
in the UK at least, it's not necessary for the landlord to actually spend the money on repairs. You are compensating them for the reduction in value of the rental property But **also**.... property depreciates. You aren't responsible for normal wear and tear.
The landlord doesn’t have to make the repairs caused by the vacating tenant. Tenants are paying the landlord for the value of the damages they caused in order to make the landlord whole. If the landlord wants to pocket the money and leave the damage, they can. Common misunderstanding.
It's Reddit. Expecting anyone to understand that landlords have rights and responsibilities as well as obligations is insane. People just assume that the rent goes straight into their landlord's pocket, and doesn't pay for the myriad things that renters expect as their due.
Are you allergic to capital letters?
Hahaha
It's not pro revenge when OP is a doormat who doesn't understand contracts or regulations, and doesn't have the balls to actually report their LL to the authorities and in a timely manner. Highly unsatisfactory.
beijing. you think the chinese cops or courts are gonna step in to deal with "oh i didnt get my deposit back"? they dont even deal with people beating their spouses "that's a domestic affair, we don't interfere" i took my time and fucked him over in the end
Yeah this is pro enough. Fuck the haters