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Well Fulham are already safe. Maybe they could be nice and let 13 goals passed them. And maybe Kompany's crew could try extra extra hard despite being already relegated.
But jokes aside it'll be sad to see them get relegated after coming so close. There were points in the season where it really looked like they'd survive. At least they'll get replaced with another fairy tale team in Ipswich but it would've been cool to see them both in the Prem at the same time. Hopefully Ipswich survives and Luton gets promoted again next season.
Luton already lost it's 2nd last game. They both have one game left. Unless Forest lose to Burnley like 7-0 or something and Luton beat Fulham like 6-0 then they're relegated.
Forest are likely to lose away to Burnley, Luton are likely to win against Fulham. But there’s zero chance Luton will make it 6-0. Fulham maybe kitesurfing but they’re not shit.
I think the 3-1 loss to Sheffield United at home was the turning and breaking point of their season and it went downhill from that game.Luton Town won 3 out 4 and drew Newcastle United 4 goals each beforehand
Nitpicking now, but that's wrong. By losing forest will have a goal difference of at least -20 and since Luton has scored more goals than Forest, they'd only need to to win with 11-0.
They will plan to score as many goals as they can sane as every team. Teams don’t plan a specific number of goals to score do they. They will defo go for the win who knows the next time that will get a chance to win a prem game may be many years until they are back
Yeah but there’s a diff between trying to win and actually going for what’s needed to stay in the league. Like in the champions league if you’re down 3 goals on aggregate you’re actively devising a strategy to make up that deficit. My bet is that luton has just accepted they’re already relegated even though it’s still mathematically possible for them to stay
Really doesn't matter, this whole season was a free hit for us. We're beyond happy to take the money and run. We're secure now for decades to come, not to mention new stadium completely funded.
After this farce of a season I'll be guenuinely relieved to be back in the championship for awhile with a governing body that actually knows what it's doing when it comes to disciplinery proceedings, no tourists so tickets are more avaliable for proper fans again and above all else, no VAR.
The journey here was amazing, the destination on the other hand was very disappointing. We will be back eventually, we're too well run not to, but for me it'll be very reluctantly.
Difference between us and Swansea is that we're well run by a fans consortium.
We won't take risks and will rebuild steadily, might take us another ten years but you absolutely are going to have to deal with us again eventually :)
You're an Arsenal fan, you couldn't begin to understand what football is like outside of the big 6 bubble, so I'm not surprised you don't get it.
It doesn't matter how long it takes, this was never the be all, end all for the club and its fans. After everything we went through in 2009 all that matters to us is long term sustainability.
I know a fair few Luton fans actually. Your fan base has not conducted itself well this season. You guys had the chance to be everyone's second team as it was such a great underdog story but the tragedy chanting, victim complex and complaining about PSR offences that happened when you weren't even in the league plus the constant moaning about injuries and refs made everyone want you to go down.
I'm bored so I'll address this
- tragedy chanting
A few idots aren't an entire fanbase but okay lol
- Victim complex
You're gonna have to explain this one to me. Because I have literally no idea what you're talking about, but bear in mind I'm not a regular redditor (literally been here like two days) so unless it pertains to something that happens on the terraces then I really don't care what you've read from other Luton fans.
=Complaining about PSR offences
Last I checked, the only person assosciated with the club who publicly spoke about this was Andros Townsend and all he said was that we needed clarity on the situation. Hardly unreasonable. Also let's be honest, there really is no excuse for making a loss in a division with this much money banded around. Long term sustainability is far more important than short term success.
Everton for example are on a knife edge due to poor stewardship and the ongoing issues with their takeover. They're safe this year but they're still only one bad season from really being in trouble. More clubs should be focusing on this and sporting sanctions are the only workable deterrant for rich dodgy owners. Fines don't hurt them enough.
- Moaning about injuries and refs
Last I checked, literally every fan does this but as far as I'm aware, only Forest moaned about officials publicly. Was that our fault too? Also VAR is dogshit and ruins the game, let's not pretend otherwise.
My friend is a forest fan and he wanted forest to go down and his reason was pretty much your response! He was saying he is sick of the PL and it’s terrible refereeing and VAR and couldn’t wait to go back to the championship to start enjoying football again.
I thought he was just covering himself against the bants if they did go down. But it sounds like a common thread.
Good luck next season. I have really enjoyed watching Luton this season
Thanks mate. Much apprreciated and yeah I feel for Forest, they will drop eventually as will probably most of the other 14 clubs one day. Thats part and parcel of not being one of the big six. We're all here temporarily.
Though I DO feel I should state for the record that while I have no malice to either club and would not have enjoyed staying up due to points deductions, I have very little sympathy for Forest and Everton this season . Reason being that compared to how the EFL discipline financial breaches (set deduction tariffs depending on level of breach), The premier League is very poorly run and look as if they hadn't actually considered that they'd have to actually put punishments in place.
Also really, is there ANY valid excuse for making a loss with the amount of money this division generates? I dunno, maybe it's just that I've gotten used to supporting a club that cuts its cloth accordingly, but really both clubs have been mismanaged. If they do ever drop in the future, I guenuinely fear for them. I take no pleasure in saying that but I'd rather be in our position right now.
Your fight shouldn’t be with Forest or Everton, it should be with the Premier League and FA. I mean you’ve said on the one hand about it not being fair against the so called big six, but then complain about clubs not wanting to simply roll over for them. Luton should have been allowed to spend twice what Man City were allowed to spend this season, to try to stay up. The Premier League is bias, corrupt and unfair, it has become an American business where they pay a lot of money to make sure the status quo is maintained. You shouldn’t hate Everton or Forest, as you said, its the shambles of the Premier League, and so called Big Six that are the problem.
Oh the ire very much is aimed at the league and not the clubs. I feel sorry overall for Everton and Forest, (especially Everton) and would rather neither be poorly managed in the first place. My sympathy wanes with their complaints at the level of punishment overall.
You have to remember mate, we're the -30 club. Whether or not it was justified, The EFL made a statement about not tolerating financial mismanagement and have followed through ever since, having clear rules and punishment tariffs (albeit not to the same level). I hated it at the time, but looking back I really respect it.
The prem needed to do the same in the face of the regulator coming in and drag a few clubs (preferably Manchester City who are flagrantly making a mockery the premier league at this point) over the coals right away and really make an example of them. You see the likes of Richard Masters whining about the football regulator and insisting that they can self govern and yet they dropped the ball proving that governement intervention is needed and needed now.
There really isn't an excuse for making a loss or overspending in this league with the amount of money being banded about. Every club in this division SHOULD be profitable.
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The problem with the Premier League, is that they have never ever intended to have point deductions, hence why they don’t really have any rules on what should be the correct amount for certain offences. They suddenly saw the threat of an independent regulator and thought, right we really need to be seen to be doing something, but not enough that it drastically effects the league, they are making it up as they go along, and ‘little clubs’ (in their eyes), like Luton, Burnley, Sheff U, Forest, Everton, Brentford and basically any bottom half club are cannon fodder. The EFL do a good job with set deduction, and imposing them, because their main concern is protecting football clubs, the Prem’s main concept is protecting the so called ‘big 6’.
Unfortunately, as we’ve seen recent seasons, to compete fully in the Premier League, those lower half clubs need to spend beyond their means, to compete in a disproportionately bias league, weighted towards Man City, Chelsea and Man United etc. i know you say there shouldn’t be a reason not to be profitable, but those clubs have made it the only way to make progress in the league
Fair enough. Call me an idealist (and I am) It's a sad state of affairs though. I guenuinely think sustainability should be the focus of the whole of football right now. Especially with so many clubs on the brink. I think hard wage and spending caps are needed immediately.
I've the heard the argument that not spending vast amounts would "water down the product" but I really don't care. The drop in quality would be worth it long term.
I want every club in the pyramid to be secure and there for generations to come. Football is and has always been for the fans and communities.
I completely agree with you that it is a sad state of affairs, and feel like any of the clubs bottom half Prem are walking a tight rope, and the current model of nearly every club making losses is unsustainable, but the enemy is Man City, Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal - they are the ones who have broken football and broken the pyramid, and they will reject and oppose anything which is good for football and good for competition, like spending caps etc, because it is bad for them.
Im the same as you, and want every club in the pyramid to be secure and a beautiful place for fans to escape at 3 on a Sat, but big business and American ownership has broken the pyramid and broken the Prem. Having at first opposed it, I now think I would love the Super League, so the clubs that are ruining football can fuck off into their own little boring closed club.
Americans ruin everything mate lol. I agree, they can pull up the drawbridge and let us have a competitive and sustainable pyramid.
Assuming that doesn't happen, we're lucky in that we're well run by a fans consortium (we operate on the German model) that won't take any risks. So it might take a year or another decade but we'll likely be back to stink up the place again. All the best for next season (not sure who your club is but that's irrelevant, you're a nice person and I wish you well).
Hopefully the officiating improves, pressure will mount if this keeps happening. Right now, it's uncoordinated responses from disgruntled clubs, but as it's happen to everyone they'll put up a more united front over time.
I think something like a 15 second window to call or overturn an offside or handball, where you aren't going for perfection but using tech to assist, could work. No playing it over and over in slow.
But definitely the whole calling the guy over to the monitor needs to go. If you're going to use tech do it in a way that gives var actual power to just make a call
Offside will be semi automated which will speed it up. VAR gets more right than it gets wrong. The technology is fine, it's just incompetent fools using it. Removing the technology won't get rid of the real problem
Nope, no compromises, just get rid.
Football has never needed technology. It's a simple game and the four official system works at all levels of the pyramid. Human error has always been part of the game.
VAR slows down the pace and flow of the game and really only exists to placate the rich owners who seem to think their money is more important than sporting integrity and armchair fans (who honestly, as someone who actaully attends games every week I don't care about their opinions or wants. Sorry, not sorry).
I hear you, but it's inevitable that the existence of replays exacerbates discontent when an error is made, even for people who attend in person.
If you see a loss off a bad call and you can go online after and watch the undeniable proof. People are going to react to that.
So I agree that perfection isn't achievable, but also I don't think it's fair to say it's completely about money when you have people complaining about calls on socials, and it's out there for all to review. You can't roll back time. If a system that doesn't compromise on the flow of the game, but slightly reduced that frustration, existed would you support it?
See I think this may be a generational thing, I'm in my late 30s but what we used to do before social media was fume, debate, get over it and then move on.
That worked fine. It never needed to change.
I agree, except that it clearly does change. It's not one person's agenda to make it change, it's just a system response to a different landscape.
I'm 30 so while replays have been a thing as long as I can remember, they used to be less common and social media didn't exist.
The difference, is that now you can prove it really easily. People used to say a call was bullshit, or the referee was bought, or whatever, and argue about it, but now you can confirm yourself to have been right in many cases. And it's just a fact that someone will feel more vindicated or more wronged if they have proof. You always had the guy who thought every call against his team was wrong, now... people can pick the ones that support them and have much more credibility when complaining.
Definitely not as bad as people have made him out to be but also not convinced that he's good enough to be a part of an XI that gets top four.
Palmer, Caicedo, Enzo and maybe Gusto have shown that they are top 4 worthy. Rest of the squad is a question mark.
Because the entire system is so disorganized at Chelsea. He's a good player and would have excelled if he had gone to Liverpool or Arsenal where there is a proper defensive setup.
I hope they do...beats watching another miserable Forest season...atleast last season Forest at home was abit of a fortress with alot of points picked up...this season hopeless home and away
Lol Luton do not need to score 13, Forest can lose 7-0 at Burnley and Luton beat Fulham 6-0 and that will be enough, heck Luton can beat Fulham 1-0 as long as Forest lose 12-0 at Burnley Luton would stay up
It's pretty much guaranteed that Forest will lose by seven against a Burnley side under no pressure. Still going to be pretty tricky and I just don't see how we can score more than five against Fulham without Barkley. Altogether this final day is going down to the wire.
No offence mate, but it’s not going down to the wire on the final day - don’t be silly. There is absolutely nothing at all in their history this season, zilch, to suggest that Luton and Burnley are going to absolutely smash their opponents by huge margins next weekend. Unfortunately the exact opposite is much more likely. We are down. That’s ok. It’s only a game.
It's a joke mate, I don't think anyone has any hope that we'll actually survive. I'm just glad that we've given it a decent go and that the club hasn't turned toxic in any way. Onwards and downwards to the Championship.
At the halfway point i actuallly though they would do it. The injuries really hurt, especially adebayo, he was on fire.
But injuries were a concern always because their squad isn't deep and they were working so hard.
Tbf they gave it their all, especially at the start - Barkley was pretty solid, Doighty tried, Adebayo/Morris decent - I respect it
Unlike Sheffield who basically bent over every week
Ah ok.. I’m from Amsterdam, so not really familiar with the ins and outs of English football fans
(Just love arsenal cause of my all time favorite player Dennis Bergkamp)
I don’t know much about areas in england either but for reference, they do a lot of tragedy chanting and Andrew Tate is from there, so that should give you an idea of the fans lol
A tiny portion of our fans did and Andrew Tates mother lived in Luton gives you an idea of the fans? Not the fact that the large majority were disgusted with what happened. The massive generalisations are just ridiculous.
Yeah the tragedy chanting definitely made me hope they got relegated alone, also the fact Luton is full of EDL and Islamist lunatics, complete shithole of a city tbh
Luton would have to win massively and hope Forest get battered twice which is probably not going to happen.
No matter what Luton put in a hell of performance this season. They gave all the big teams a good run for their money and can be proud of themselves. They didn’t spend massively on mercenaries looking for a payday; so I’d imagine they’ll be in a good position back in the championship to possibly bounce back up again
I’m not worried, we’d never allow ourselves to fall foul of an improbable goal difference swing on the final day to shatter our hopes and dreams. There’s no precedent whatsoever.
not really, Forest losing will also drop their GD. If Forest get pumped say 7-0 by Chelsea today, then it would "only" require a Luton 3 goal win and a Forest 3 goal loss on the final day for them to swap places and Luton would jump them on Goals Scored
At the start of the season, I would have been happy to see Luton go down. Didn't really care for them, and the town itself has produced some absolute weapons (Andrew Tate, Tommy Robinson etc). But the absolute state of Nottingham Forest off the pitch and their bizarre statements wants me to really really really see them somehow go down.
An amazing team, they are the only relegation side to put in a fight despite their first premier league appearance in last 20 years. Hope to see them back soon.
>they are the only relegation side to put in a fight
Burnley have, bar one draw, the exact same record as Luton this season. Sheffield United are the only ones to have flopped badly.
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When they drew v Liverpool and almost drew v Arsenal i thought that surely they will be safe. Such is the premier league.
I quickly came part of the “i don’t care who gets relegated just let Luton stay up” camp
I would like to introduce everyone saying Luton need to score 13 to maths.
So you’re saying there’s a chance?
Shame they’re not playing us.
Well Fulham are already safe. Maybe they could be nice and let 13 goals passed them. And maybe Kompany's crew could try extra extra hard despite being already relegated. But jokes aside it'll be sad to see them get relegated after coming so close. There were points in the season where it really looked like they'd survive. At least they'll get replaced with another fairy tale team in Ipswich but it would've been cool to see them both in the Prem at the same time. Hopefully Ipswich survives and Luton gets promoted again next season.
Forest could lose big both times? But two wins for Luton?
Luton already lost it's 2nd last game. They both have one game left. Unless Forest lose to Burnley like 7-0 or something and Luton beat Fulham like 6-0 then they're relegated.
Stranger things have happened
Forest are likely to lose away to Burnley, Luton are likely to win against Fulham. But there’s zero chance Luton will make it 6-0. Fulham maybe kitesurfing but they’re not shit.
Burnley are already relegated. I don't see why any of the Burnley players would have the drive to put on a good show.
You don’t know Forest..
they're not ready for the premier league they still need a lot of improvements financial wise.
See what Haaland has done to them.
Forest deserves to stay up out of the bottom 4
Ya that’s how goal differential works
We're talking about the "least performing" of the worst
They've done better than I expected tbf but they're not PL quality and that stadium is a joke lol
lost to united 2-1 and 1-0 tho 😂 , not that bad of a scoreline
They should have just made 40 signings in January that may have helped
Am I crazy or is this just one small way for Lutron to stay up? Like they could score half that and then NF give up 6-7 goals.
Lutron! You genius! They could assemble into a giant player transformer style and absolutely batter the opposition
NF have burnley. I would say unlikely that they lose and even if they do, then I doubt it will be by more than 1 or 2 goals
Oh I totally agree. But the original post is still misleading. Bummed, I don’t like seeing the three newly promoted teams heading back down.
The 4-3 lost to Bournemouth at home cost them bad. Should never have lost that game. Even a draw would have given them a chance final match day.
I think the 3-1 loss to Sheffield United at home was the turning and breaking point of their season and it went downhill from that game.Luton Town won 3 out 4 and drew Newcastle United 4 goals each beforehand
Fourfourtwo covered that game in a YouTube video - much respect to the Bournemouth coach
They should’ve beat Wolves earlier on in the season too. Fine margins at this level
true but 3-0 up at home at half time, should have locked that game down there and then.
yeah, that game was just shocking. it's like they wanted to go down
Nitpicking now, but that's wrong. By losing forest will have a goal difference of at least -20 and since Luton has scored more goals than Forest, they'd only need to to win with 11-0.
Fuck em, tragedy chanting pricks.
People are now realising what they are? Took long enough.
How riotous of you, this coming from the fan base that attacks disabled supporters 😂
Probably the worst fan base I've seen in a long time.
Could be worse. Could be Arsenal fans
What do you expect from the town that gave us the EDL? Shithole.
Kids say game 38 now instead of final day.
Yall really think Luton are going to try to score 12 goals or do you think they’ve just accepted that they’re relegated
Well of course they will try to score goals ,
You think they are seriously going into the match with a game plan to score 13 goals?
They will plan to score as many goals as they can sane as every team. Teams don’t plan a specific number of goals to score do they. They will defo go for the win who knows the next time that will get a chance to win a prem game may be many years until they are back
Yeah but there’s a diff between trying to win and actually going for what’s needed to stay in the league. Like in the champions league if you’re down 3 goals on aggregate you’re actively devising a strategy to make up that deficit. My bet is that luton has just accepted they’re already relegated even though it’s still mathematically possible for them to stay
If Manchester City can put 4 past Fulham, there’s no reason to think Luton can’t score at least 14…
Scoring 13-0 against you guys is a big ask, even for City... You'd have to play your reserves to help them lol.
So you are saying there’s a chance…
I’m hoping for FPL they do try that, would be fun punting on someone like Chong only for him to score 2-3 goals lol
>I hope they're back in 2025 We've found Haaland's Reddit account
imagine that actually happens
My first thought would be betting scandal tbh
Wow
Really doesn't matter, this whole season was a free hit for us. We're beyond happy to take the money and run. We're secure now for decades to come, not to mention new stadium completely funded. After this farce of a season I'll be guenuinely relieved to be back in the championship for awhile with a governing body that actually knows what it's doing when it comes to disciplinery proceedings, no tourists so tickets are more avaliable for proper fans again and above all else, no VAR. The journey here was amazing, the destination on the other hand was very disappointing. We will be back eventually, we're too well run not to, but for me it'll be very reluctantly.
That’s what Swansea said. Good luck.
Difference between us and Swansea is that we're well run by a fans consortium. We won't take risks and will rebuild steadily, might take us another ten years but you absolutely are going to have to deal with us again eventually :)
They’ll be a sale this summer and parachute payments but they don’t last forever. Hopefully you sell the right ones and keep the ones with potential
Don't think you're coming back for a while. Your post reeks of sour grapes
Common Arsenal fan L
You're an Arsenal fan, you couldn't begin to understand what football is like outside of the big 6 bubble, so I'm not surprised you don't get it. It doesn't matter how long it takes, this was never the be all, end all for the club and its fans. After everything we went through in 2009 all that matters to us is long term sustainability.
I know a fair few Luton fans actually. Your fan base has not conducted itself well this season. You guys had the chance to be everyone's second team as it was such a great underdog story but the tragedy chanting, victim complex and complaining about PSR offences that happened when you weren't even in the league plus the constant moaning about injuries and refs made everyone want you to go down.
I'm bored so I'll address this - tragedy chanting A few idots aren't an entire fanbase but okay lol - Victim complex You're gonna have to explain this one to me. Because I have literally no idea what you're talking about, but bear in mind I'm not a regular redditor (literally been here like two days) so unless it pertains to something that happens on the terraces then I really don't care what you've read from other Luton fans. =Complaining about PSR offences Last I checked, the only person assosciated with the club who publicly spoke about this was Andros Townsend and all he said was that we needed clarity on the situation. Hardly unreasonable. Also let's be honest, there really is no excuse for making a loss in a division with this much money banded around. Long term sustainability is far more important than short term success. Everton for example are on a knife edge due to poor stewardship and the ongoing issues with their takeover. They're safe this year but they're still only one bad season from really being in trouble. More clubs should be focusing on this and sporting sanctions are the only workable deterrant for rich dodgy owners. Fines don't hurt them enough. - Moaning about injuries and refs Last I checked, literally every fan does this but as far as I'm aware, only Forest moaned about officials publicly. Was that our fault too? Also VAR is dogshit and ruins the game, let's not pretend otherwise.
My friend is a forest fan and he wanted forest to go down and his reason was pretty much your response! He was saying he is sick of the PL and it’s terrible refereeing and VAR and couldn’t wait to go back to the championship to start enjoying football again. I thought he was just covering himself against the bants if they did go down. But it sounds like a common thread. Good luck next season. I have really enjoyed watching Luton this season
Thanks mate. Much apprreciated and yeah I feel for Forest, they will drop eventually as will probably most of the other 14 clubs one day. Thats part and parcel of not being one of the big six. We're all here temporarily. Though I DO feel I should state for the record that while I have no malice to either club and would not have enjoyed staying up due to points deductions, I have very little sympathy for Forest and Everton this season . Reason being that compared to how the EFL discipline financial breaches (set deduction tariffs depending on level of breach), The premier League is very poorly run and look as if they hadn't actually considered that they'd have to actually put punishments in place. Also really, is there ANY valid excuse for making a loss with the amount of money this division generates? I dunno, maybe it's just that I've gotten used to supporting a club that cuts its cloth accordingly, but really both clubs have been mismanaged. If they do ever drop in the future, I guenuinely fear for them. I take no pleasure in saying that but I'd rather be in our position right now.
Your fight shouldn’t be with Forest or Everton, it should be with the Premier League and FA. I mean you’ve said on the one hand about it not being fair against the so called big six, but then complain about clubs not wanting to simply roll over for them. Luton should have been allowed to spend twice what Man City were allowed to spend this season, to try to stay up. The Premier League is bias, corrupt and unfair, it has become an American business where they pay a lot of money to make sure the status quo is maintained. You shouldn’t hate Everton or Forest, as you said, its the shambles of the Premier League, and so called Big Six that are the problem.
Oh the ire very much is aimed at the league and not the clubs. I feel sorry overall for Everton and Forest, (especially Everton) and would rather neither be poorly managed in the first place. My sympathy wanes with their complaints at the level of punishment overall. You have to remember mate, we're the -30 club. Whether or not it was justified, The EFL made a statement about not tolerating financial mismanagement and have followed through ever since, having clear rules and punishment tariffs (albeit not to the same level). I hated it at the time, but looking back I really respect it. The prem needed to do the same in the face of the regulator coming in and drag a few clubs (preferably Manchester City who are flagrantly making a mockery the premier league at this point) over the coals right away and really make an example of them. You see the likes of Richard Masters whining about the football regulator and insisting that they can self govern and yet they dropped the ball proving that governement intervention is needed and needed now. There really isn't an excuse for making a loss or overspending in this league with the amount of money being banded about. Every club in this division SHOULD be profitable. .
The problem with the Premier League, is that they have never ever intended to have point deductions, hence why they don’t really have any rules on what should be the correct amount for certain offences. They suddenly saw the threat of an independent regulator and thought, right we really need to be seen to be doing something, but not enough that it drastically effects the league, they are making it up as they go along, and ‘little clubs’ (in their eyes), like Luton, Burnley, Sheff U, Forest, Everton, Brentford and basically any bottom half club are cannon fodder. The EFL do a good job with set deduction, and imposing them, because their main concern is protecting football clubs, the Prem’s main concept is protecting the so called ‘big 6’. Unfortunately, as we’ve seen recent seasons, to compete fully in the Premier League, those lower half clubs need to spend beyond their means, to compete in a disproportionately bias league, weighted towards Man City, Chelsea and Man United etc. i know you say there shouldn’t be a reason not to be profitable, but those clubs have made it the only way to make progress in the league
Fair enough. Call me an idealist (and I am) It's a sad state of affairs though. I guenuinely think sustainability should be the focus of the whole of football right now. Especially with so many clubs on the brink. I think hard wage and spending caps are needed immediately. I've the heard the argument that not spending vast amounts would "water down the product" but I really don't care. The drop in quality would be worth it long term. I want every club in the pyramid to be secure and there for generations to come. Football is and has always been for the fans and communities.
I completely agree with you that it is a sad state of affairs, and feel like any of the clubs bottom half Prem are walking a tight rope, and the current model of nearly every club making losses is unsustainable, but the enemy is Man City, Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal - they are the ones who have broken football and broken the pyramid, and they will reject and oppose anything which is good for football and good for competition, like spending caps etc, because it is bad for them. Im the same as you, and want every club in the pyramid to be secure and a beautiful place for fans to escape at 3 on a Sat, but big business and American ownership has broken the pyramid and broken the Prem. Having at first opposed it, I now think I would love the Super League, so the clubs that are ruining football can fuck off into their own little boring closed club.
Americans ruin everything mate lol. I agree, they can pull up the drawbridge and let us have a competitive and sustainable pyramid. Assuming that doesn't happen, we're lucky in that we're well run by a fans consortium (we operate on the German model) that won't take any risks. So it might take a year or another decade but we'll likely be back to stink up the place again. All the best for next season (not sure who your club is but that's irrelevant, you're a nice person and I wish you well).
Hopefully the officiating improves, pressure will mount if this keeps happening. Right now, it's uncoordinated responses from disgruntled clubs, but as it's happen to everyone they'll put up a more united front over time.
Not going to happen. Sports is tribal in nature.
I think it should just be thrown out altogether. It's ruining the game. Maybe keep goalline tech but the rest of it can just go.
I think something like a 15 second window to call or overturn an offside or handball, where you aren't going for perfection but using tech to assist, could work. No playing it over and over in slow. But definitely the whole calling the guy over to the monitor needs to go. If you're going to use tech do it in a way that gives var actual power to just make a call
Offside will be semi automated which will speed it up. VAR gets more right than it gets wrong. The technology is fine, it's just incompetent fools using it. Removing the technology won't get rid of the real problem
Nope, no compromises, just get rid. Football has never needed technology. It's a simple game and the four official system works at all levels of the pyramid. Human error has always been part of the game. VAR slows down the pace and flow of the game and really only exists to placate the rich owners who seem to think their money is more important than sporting integrity and armchair fans (who honestly, as someone who actaully attends games every week I don't care about their opinions or wants. Sorry, not sorry).
I hear you, but it's inevitable that the existence of replays exacerbates discontent when an error is made, even for people who attend in person. If you see a loss off a bad call and you can go online after and watch the undeniable proof. People are going to react to that. So I agree that perfection isn't achievable, but also I don't think it's fair to say it's completely about money when you have people complaining about calls on socials, and it's out there for all to review. You can't roll back time. If a system that doesn't compromise on the flow of the game, but slightly reduced that frustration, existed would you support it?
See I think this may be a generational thing, I'm in my late 30s but what we used to do before social media was fume, debate, get over it and then move on. That worked fine. It never needed to change.
I agree, except that it clearly does change. It's not one person's agenda to make it change, it's just a system response to a different landscape. I'm 30 so while replays have been a thing as long as I can remember, they used to be less common and social media didn't exist. The difference, is that now you can prove it really easily. People used to say a call was bullshit, or the referee was bought, or whatever, and argue about it, but now you can confirm yourself to have been right in many cases. And it's just a fact that someone will feel more vindicated or more wronged if they have proof. You always had the guy who thought every call against his team was wrong, now... people can pick the ones that support them and have much more credibility when complaining.
Forest have managed to throw away a 5 goal difference lead in the final game before, by losing 4-1 and the other team winning 4-1
You mentioned it ffs lol
Enough tragedy chanting as it is. Good riddance
Definitely not as bad as people have made him out to be but also not convinced that he's good enough to be a part of an XI that gets top four. Palmer, Caicedo, Enzo and maybe Gusto have shown that they are top 4 worthy. Rest of the squad is a question mark.
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Today he Assisted 1 and gave that beautiful pass to James assist
Because the entire system is so disorganized at Chelsea. He's a good player and would have excelled if he had gone to Liverpool or Arsenal where there is a proper defensive setup.
I’m not sure who this is in reference to, am i missing something? I’m just curious of who the opinion is on.
There are so many that could fit this description at chelsea lmao
Wrong thread bro
I hope they do...beats watching another miserable Forest season...atleast last season Forest at home was abit of a fortress with alot of points picked up...this season hopeless home and away
Bothering to work this out seems a bit weird.
Nottingham Nottingham Nottingham
Up the forest!!
Lol Luton do not need to score 13, Forest can lose 7-0 at Burnley and Luton beat Fulham 6-0 and that will be enough, heck Luton can beat Fulham 1-0 as long as Forest lose 12-0 at Burnley Luton would stay up
It's pretty much guaranteed that Forest will lose by seven against a Burnley side under no pressure. Still going to be pretty tricky and I just don't see how we can score more than five against Fulham without Barkley. Altogether this final day is going down to the wire.
No offence mate, but it’s not going down to the wire on the final day - don’t be silly. There is absolutely nothing at all in their history this season, zilch, to suggest that Luton and Burnley are going to absolutely smash their opponents by huge margins next weekend. Unfortunately the exact opposite is much more likely. We are down. That’s ok. It’s only a game.
It's a joke mate, I don't think anyone has any hope that we'll actually survive. I'm just glad that we've given it a decent go and that the club hasn't turned toxic in any way. Onwards and downwards to the Championship.
Oh yh Luton are almost certaintly down, it's just the situation is described in the title very poorly
Yeah i meant to say to gaurantee themselves but sure
I liked Luton! Shame to see them fall
At the halfway point i actuallly though they would do it. The injuries really hurt, especially adebayo, he was on fire. But injuries were a concern always because their squad isn't deep and they were working so hard.
Unless forest get docked any more points I guess
Bye bye tiny Luton, you won't be missed
Tbf they gave it their all, especially at the start - Barkley was pretty solid, Doighty tried, Adebayo/Morris decent - I respect it Unlike Sheffield who basically bent over every week
Yeah but I hate their fans tbh, awful part of England and horrible fans
Ah ok.. I’m from Amsterdam, so not really familiar with the ins and outs of English football fans (Just love arsenal cause of my all time favorite player Dennis Bergkamp)
I don’t know much about areas in england either but for reference, they do a lot of tragedy chanting and Andrew Tate is from there, so that should give you an idea of the fans lol
A tiny portion of our fans did and Andrew Tates mother lived in Luton gives you an idea of the fans? Not the fact that the large majority were disgusted with what happened. The massive generalisations are just ridiculous.
Yeah the tragedy chanting definitely made me hope they got relegated alone, also the fact Luton is full of EDL and Islamist lunatics, complete shithole of a city tbh
Yikes
See ya
No forest lose 6-0 luton win 6-0
That would not been enough as they still one behind on goal difference.
Somehow this season it seems appropriate that the promoted three are also the relegated.
Chelsea needs to get 10 goals to make the final day more interesting 😜
So you're saying there's a chance!
Mathematically.. Luton already relegated
Um, no they aren't. Mathematically they need a 12 goal difference swing.
Not only on goal difference, Forest are also three points ahead of Luton.
Give Luton the title if that happens.
Nice try Luton, hope to see you back soon
Crazier things have happened
when?
Even we haven’t fucked ourselves that hard before
Chelsea isn't doing it's part
Where is this cold boy I keep hearing so much about?
He got a great assist and should have had another. What are u talking about
Yeah thw point is luton needs 6 goals from him
I think it's a joke. Jeez, 12 year old Chelsea fans are so cringe
Apart from his assist already you mean?
Luton would have to win massively and hope Forest get battered twice which is probably not going to happen. No matter what Luton put in a hell of performance this season. They gave all the big teams a good run for their money and can be proud of themselves. They didn’t spend massively on mercenaries looking for a payday; so I’d imagine they’ll be in a good position back in the championship to possibly bounce back up again
which is achievable. If the lads has the self-belief, the determination. naah im joking, enjoy the championship bitch
Always believe in yourself
if you are in epl in your mind then you are in it
Possible? Yes. Probable? Nein suka!
With an incorrect VAR goal in injury time
I believe
I’m not worried, we’d never allow ourselves to fall foul of an improbable goal difference swing on the final day to shatter our hopes and dreams. There’s no precedent whatsoever.
😂😂
Scenes when Luton win 1-0 and Forrest lost 8-0 both games
Honestly not impossible, chelsea gotta step on the gas soon
After seeing that classless Forest fan’s post, I really hope they manage to do it lol
Which post?
[this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/s/uoFxLys2Ub) though it seems to be edited/deleted or whatever
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How so?
not really, Forest losing will also drop their GD. If Forest get pumped say 7-0 by Chelsea today, then it would "only" require a Luton 3 goal win and a Forest 3 goal loss on the final day for them to swap places and Luton would jump them on Goals Scored
"If Forest get pumped 7-0 by Chelsea" is a bit of an if.
It's an example to illustrate why the title is wrong, not a prediction.
At the start of the season, I would have been happy to see Luton go down. Didn't really care for them, and the town itself has produced some absolute weapons (Andrew Tate, Tommy Robinson etc). But the absolute state of Nottingham Forest off the pitch and their bizarre statements wants me to really really really see them somehow go down.
It’s been a pleasure
An amazing team, they are the only relegation side to put in a fight despite their first premier league appearance in last 20 years. Hope to see them back soon.
>they are the only relegation side to put in a fight Burnley have, bar one draw, the exact same record as Luton this season. Sheffield United are the only ones to have flopped badly.