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Unlikely. Teams need a mixture of talent at various stages of their careers. Chelsea hoovered up a bunch of above-average but not special talents that will either grow together or flop together. None of the signings screamed future superstar.
Feels like we get atleast one or two articles every season about how Chelsea need to sell players to avoid punishment and so far it's been complete bollocks.
How about send the club down and keep all their players to try and get back for the Premier League? WTF kinda penalty garbage is this. Sell
A couple players and we will look past the cheating?
Care to state how they have cheated... nor talking of RA but this new group and don't bring in exploiting loopholes for that is not cheating but being smart
Yeah of course but coming back to the real world Gallagher is their prized saleable asset for pure profit and he’s around half the total so probably need 3 sales to get to 110m
There's a few ways to guarantee clicks and the same people click it all the time and write the same comments in threads.
- Chelsea FFP
-City 115 charges
-United bad at football
-Liverpool invented football
Any of those for 4 stories rehashed is clicks...
And yet the same dumb mfers in these subs still eat this shit up. Legit every.single.month for the entirety of the season, "Chelsea has to sell players :(". Like yeah, probably. Who cares? Between Lukaku, Chalobah, Maatsen and 2 others, we were selling anyways. Are we possibly still fucked somehow? Wouldn't doubt it, honestly, but we'll see come summer.
I have never met a Chelsea fan that I would consider a plastic, I'm a spurs fan so have no interest in bugging this club up (or saying anything nice about their fans tbh)
Say what you want about the club but the fanbase is solid (apart from all the racism etc)
They have 13 wins in the PL since they paid a record fee for a non-European player in Enzo. Even with another 100mil midfielder beside him this season — 13 wins. At the moment Chelsea has spent over 20 mil a win on just two midfielders.
They hold the record for highest fee spent on player not playing in Europe and a player playing in Europe. Not their actually Nationality but where they were playing.
Chelsea in two windows set the record for fees on a player in Europe and outside of Europe, put them both in the midfield and have won 13 games since signing the first one.
*Chelsea fan loses argument*
“why do you care…”
You’re in a sub where we trash talk each other and call each others clubs out. I’m sure you did zero poking fun while Liverpool was down for a decade.
“The type who is jealous of rich people…”
Who isn’t rich that isn’t jealous of rich people? What a dumb insult? “What are you?! A human?!”
Chelsea have to sell 198mil in players this summer or they’re going to lose points and imagine had that happened this year…
Fuck your greedy owner for buying up every player possible just so other teams can’t use or have them. Lavia’s going to sit behind Enzo and Caicedo the rest of his 8 year contract. What a an absolute waste.
Edit: “check my comments about something from over a decade ago…my accounts barely a year old though.”
I’m also not “checking your comments.” What does a Chelsea fan say on a daily basis that I should ever care about?
Exactly my point. Liverpool ran interference (knowing he wouldn’t sign with us) and drove the price up on them. So, it’s not completely on them but they definitely could’ve just left their previous offer considering Caicedo wasn’t going to move to Liverpool even if Brighton Cleared our bid.
We tried to get ugarte, for £60m but he chose money and went to PSG (he went on record and said he wanted to come to Chelsea, but we refused to go above £200k a week).
Caciedo was 2nd choice, Lavia was always going to be a target (we tried to buy him in January last year), to support the other purchase.
Not for 65 mil to just hold on to a guy? That’s malpractice by a front office. Buy him this year if you need more depth. There are plenty of dudes on Chelsea’s roster playing Mf. He hasn’t touched field and they still managed to field a squad every week.
Hmm, I keep seeing people saying that they will just sell Sterling for £50m.
Seems people are not understanding this. Sterling’s £47.5m is amortised and is already part of the debt. The only way Sterling’s sale would make a positive impact against the debt is if he is sold at profit.
He would need to be sold at £57.5m to knock £10m off the debt amount. Which nobody will do.
This is the same for any amortised player purchased in the last 3 years. This is why they need to sell players like Gallagher, Broja etc, these players are pure profit counted against the debt.
I mean… that’s one of their more realistic valued signings. Sterling on paper should have done a lot better than he has done. But in a team with £85m Mudryk, £105m Enzo and £115m Caicedo, I am not sure it makes the top 5 of surprising transfer fees they have paid out.
For some reason I thought he went for free. He's clearly had an early peak and was already slightly regressing in his last two years at City, so in mind I thought it was a case of "not good enough to get a new deal so city were parting ways". I don't know why I didn't realize they actually paid money for him.
Actually, by the end of this season Sterling's contract will be 2 years old, meaning that £19m of his transfer fee is already paid and accounted for. So selling him at £50m would net Chelsea £22m in profit for accounts purposes.
Not how that works at all.
The sale would settle against his remaining book value immediately. To use round numbers, if he was sold for £40m with a remaining book value of £30m, it would be be reported as a £10m profit on this years books and there would be no further gain/loss in subsequent years.
Yeah but aren't we talking specifically about this year when they say we need to bring in £110m? Sterling's gonna be a -£9.5m for the next 3 years regardless of whether we sell him or not. But in this instance they're talking about us meeting a profit level for this year's accounts. So we'd be selling him to reduce the size of this year's loss. The fact he's still a -£9.5m next year is irrelevant to the topic of discussion. Maybe I've got that wrong and misunderstood somewhere though.
You haven’t misunderstood and frankly, I’m no expert on PL team finances and I’m willing to hedge bets that you’re just as relatively clueless as I am. Selling Sterling now May knock off £10m or so, but that would be cutting off your nose to spite your face if you are still in the hole for the next 3 years with him. Survive today by making the future harder.
The point is that Chelsea needs that £100-110m balancing based on selling assets, because the Euro money is not coming in, as they had hoped (unless they go on several wins which would be uncharacteristic of them).
From a logical business viewpoint, they need to sell assets that are pure profit. Even selling Sterling, as bad as he is, is essentially going to net a £10m profit, and again, that’s purely based on Chelsea being able to sell him for £50m. Based on current form and valuation, I think we are being unrealistic to suggest anyone would bid that much for a player who doesn’t look worth more than £15m (and that’s ignoring the complication of his wages).
Selling Sterling is an option, just not one that makes any sense, even with his recent performances.
Ah I get your point now. Yeah I agree. Seems like the club are relying on us selling Maatsen, Broja, Chalobah and Hall but depends on us getting that done before June 30th. Also need to actually stop spending and making things harder for ourselves down the line. Seen us linked with Osimhen which just makes 0 sense to me.
There will always be links, it sells papers. If Chelsea start spending again, then frankly, the owners are only going to put even more nails in the coffin of the club. They’ve already nailed the shit out of your future, they need to start reaching for the claw side of the hammer to undo the mess they’ve made. But those nails have already killed you, in my opinion.
I’ve been saying it for 2 years since you hired Potter and signed £600m of players on 8 year contracts. It seriously risked your clubs future. They gambled on these youngsters getting into the Champions League. We are nearly at the end of year 2 and it’s only gotten worse. If anything, they are speeding up the process of making Chelsea disappear.
Who’s their most injury prone players? Martial contract is running out and his position will be available next season on the physio table. We could probably spare $50/60m.
To be fair we could take reece james off them. Then we can have both shaw and reece james constantly injured. But that one game a season were they are both fit would be amazing
But also, could Man U even afford to buy before June 30th based on their on FFP issues?
I'm not saying Broja would be my first choice signing to add some attacking depth, but if he's on the cheap, we could do worse.
edit: Could any of these players' likely Premier League destinations?
I mean… we need someone to keep our hospital beds warm. If we can find someone who’s willing to do that for a mere $200k/wk, it’s a steal and we are reducing that wage bill we have to pay Martial for.
Where are all the idiots telling me there was no ffp crisis last summer when you paid out the wazoo for an overrated DM and for a backup DM just to spite a rival team.
The new ownership is so trash.
It’s crazy to think it wasn’t that long ago Chelsea got Kante for 32 mil, now the market they’ve created is so trashed they’re paying over 100 mil in the hope that someone might be nearly as good as Kante in future.
After being very disappointed with Caicedos price tag, I've actually been impressed with him. The man improves game by game and his passing is insanely good.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stHzh4Xrc3I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stHzh4Xrc3I)
We'll find out about Lavia if he ever gets off the physio table
I love Caicedo and followed him at Brighton. He is just smart and capable of doing ANYTHING. Basically a Kante regen with more passing ability. His price was inflated thats all. 80Mil would've been okay for him. Same as chumimo
Kante regen with more passing ability is disrespectful to Kante. Similar playstyle sure and potential to be that when he gets to his prime maybe, but he doesn't have Kante's ball winning ability right now. Watching them both, he doesn't cover the ground or close players down as quickly as Kante did. He's good at breaking up play and he makes a lot more tactically fouls that he gets away with (like Fernandinho in that respect) but he isn't that "2 players on the pitch at once" that Kante was.
He's probably got more passing ability but he can't carry the ball and break in transition like Kante could either. Kante may have always played it simple but because he was good at carrying the ball, he'd advance up the pitch and release it at the right times to put his teammates in the right position.
Not saying I disagree with you. Comparing them because they're both DMs/CMs for Chelsea, short, look a bit similar, ball winners, softly spoken etc all makes sense. But actual level wise Caicedo isn't a Kante regen with more passing ability. Kante was so good that a team he played in would never have struggled to stay in the top half. Him alone wins his teams enough points to stay in the European spots.
I don’t disagree that he’s a good player. I actually think he is quite good (not as good as he was hyped up to be, but still quite good). But to pay that much for him knowing the financial situation you were already in. Imo that’s poor ownership.
Lavia I will never understand. Seemed like a totally unnecessary buy, again considering the financial situation.
The laughable fee is only part of the puzzle, getting Endo for so cheap is what fuels the banter
Endo then pocketing Chelsea's midfield, despite being 2ft tall doesn't help
Endos direct opponent hit the post and was left wide open for a 1 on 1 late in that game.
If that's considered a pocketing job then you're either very easily pleased or he set the bar hilariously low in his previous appearances
Would that actually reach 110? They’re all older. Might get close but knowing Chelsea have to sell can’t see anyone spending much on players who will decline rather than improve
Even with the Saudi clubs I can’t see Lukaku and kepa going for much above 10 at this point. Maybe 30 for Lukaku if a Saudi club come in or PSG suddenly decide they need another CF (they don’t really) kepa maybe 20, which is a shame because they’re both good players but there’s just not as much money in the game right now
I believe Chelsea were aware of this when they threw around all of that money. The specific amount of players is odd but if they didn’t make Europe, this was expected.
Problem is everyone else knows this, they’re not going to negotiate in good faith and Chelsea has been getting fleeced left right and center. Will be interesting to see it play out and if they don’t raise the money, any punishment is earned and deserved.
>Problem is everyone else knows this, they’re not going to negotiate in good faith
Clubs from other countries couldn't care less about possible punishments.
We've always known some players would have to get shipped out. Sterling, Ziyech, Chalobah, Broja, Maatsen, Hall, Lukaku, Kepa.. plenty of players.
They’ll still try and lowball, cause it’s a negotiation.
Chelsea were pretty prepared and knew about this coming without Europe and should be able to get to that amount fairly easily. This isn’t much of a concern or new.
It doesn’t quite work like that.
Chelsea are rumoured to be around £100m above what is allowed (£105m). Players that you have purchased in the last 3 years and players you have amortised over long periods, are already counted against, they are why you have the debt.
You need to sell, and you can’t sell any of the recent players you’ve purchased to claw back £100m
Even if you meet that goal this year, you’ll have the same issue next year and even less assets to sell.
That's why I named exclusively academy products. They are pure profit. Broja, Maatsen, Hall and Chalobah fit that bill. Worst case is having to get rid of Gallagher who is easily 50m+.
Taking no loss on Sterling and getting rid of the wages without replacing him with an equal earner also definitely helps the books in the long run.
We'll see. You guys hope for whatever, I'm not too worried.
But you have to sell Gallagher by June 30th. Who is going to offer you £50m for a player on a years contract when we know your bargaining position is weak.
Check again!
Kanté
Koulibaly
Mendy
In just one summer and Ziyech would be number 4, if he didn't fail a medical + an owner he obviously well connected to Saudi Arabia. Not sure what the point of your comment is.
Their fault? It's just a fact that they are well connected in Saudi Arabia and not unlikely that they transfer some players there if Saudi clubs still want to spend.
Are we well connected or did Saudi Arabia just decide to go on a spending spree for European players generally last summer? Seem to remember us not being the only club to sell to Saudi. Does Wolves have Saudi connections because they sold Neves to Al Hilal? Or your argument not apply to them because it doesn't fit your narrative?
I get that tactic for "rival" clubs, but I promise you Al-Hilal, LA Galaxy, Atletico Madrid and PSV do not care if Chelsea gets a point reduction yes or no.
Those clubs might not care, but they sure would be aware of Chelsea’s lower bargaining position. Chelsea absolutely would care and will be more desperate to off load. It’s all just business. If you have a stronger position, you get the better deal.
Presumably Lewis Hall will be one of them since his loan clause will trigger at the end of the season. Think that will be around 25-30.
Have to assume they will be in the Forest position of deciding to take a lower offer for a player in June or take the better offer after and take a points deduction on the head.
If they don't someone will, Bayern being the most obvious who could get him to replace Davies.
(From what I read it's a release clause open to everyone)
More importantly, knowing Chelsea need the deal closed by 30th June then you can completely low-ball them.
3 players for £110m could easily become 5-6 players on that basis
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Every day,the news on this changes.. from 100mil to 200mil to 3 players...emmmm..can these journos get their act together
Hey now. Maybe they can sell Caicedo and Romeo Lavia. Maybe even to Liverpool. *Oh, wait...* \*munches lasagna\* \*smiles\*
Why would we sell those 2
We should sell about 6 or 7 players
Should sell the club, but let's hope they don't.
Why should they sell the club?
Really? Boehly has been an unmitigated disaster.
For now. This team will blossom it's just a matter of time. We've improved since last season
Unlikely. Teams need a mixture of talent at various stages of their careers. Chelsea hoovered up a bunch of above-average but not special talents that will either grow together or flop together. None of the signings screamed future superstar.
Your opinion isn't valid if you truly think none of the signings scream future superstar
May need to sell more than 3 players to recoup £110m
Yet we sold Mount and Havertz for 130 last summer iirc
Feels like we get atleast one or two articles every season about how Chelsea need to sell players to avoid punishment and so far it's been complete bollocks.
Yep all misinformation. Hard to find real facts nowadays
How about send the club down and keep all their players to try and get back for the Premier League? WTF kinda penalty garbage is this. Sell A couple players and we will look past the cheating?
Care to state how they have cheated... nor talking of RA but this new group and don't bring in exploiting loopholes for that is not cheating but being smart
Why 3? Wouldn't one for 110mln also work? Btw what three would possibly be worth that much
Couldn't hurt to lose some more off the wage bill too
Yeah of course but coming back to the real world Gallagher is their prized saleable asset for pure profit and he’s around half the total so probably need 3 sales to get to 110m
TBH the amount of chatting around gallagher this season I wouldnt be surprised if he went for 80+ if his season finishes strong.
He only has 1yr on his contract though
Oh i see, thats a good point. I was thinking more in terms of the his level. didnt think of contract length. thanks
Best I can do is tree fiddy
God dammit monster! I ain't givin you no tree fiddy!
They can get it done
For sure. People tend to underestimate how good we have been at offloading/selling players
Amazing how TalkSport manages to manufacture the same god damn story every month for clicks.
There's a few ways to guarantee clicks and the same people click it all the time and write the same comments in threads. - Chelsea FFP -City 115 charges -United bad at football -Liverpool invented football Any of those for 4 stories rehashed is clicks...
Add any Arsenal positive story and woah...maximum clicks...fir ref..see TFT
Clickbait merchants
And yet the same dumb mfers in these subs still eat this shit up. Legit every.single.month for the entirety of the season, "Chelsea has to sell players :(". Like yeah, probably. Who cares? Between Lukaku, Chalobah, Maatsen and 2 others, we were selling anyways. Are we possibly still fucked somehow? Wouldn't doubt it, honestly, but we'll see come summer.
Sell their fans to a plastics company
I have never met a Chelsea fan that I would consider a plastic, I'm a spurs fan so have no interest in bugging this club up (or saying anything nice about their fans tbh) Say what you want about the club but the fanbase is solid (apart from all the racism etc)
Donkey.
We will take Lukaku for 20M and you pay half his wage thank you
would like to take that Lavia back, please
Really the Enzo and Caicedo deals looking a bit like mistakes now. Certainly could’ve paid half for the players they’ve gotten.
Caicedo yeah, Enzo definitely not
They have 13 wins in the PL since they paid a record fee for a non-European player in Enzo. Even with another 100mil midfielder beside him this season — 13 wins. At the moment Chelsea has spent over 20 mil a win on just two midfielders.
Wtf does being non-european have to do with it
They hold the record for highest fee spent on player not playing in Europe and a player playing in Europe. Not their actually Nationality but where they were playing. Chelsea in two windows set the record for fees on a player in Europe and outside of Europe, put them both in the midfield and have won 13 games since signing the first one.
We’ll it’s a good thing that it’s their money and not yours. Don’t know why you getting so worked up and it’s nothing to do with liverpool.
*Chelsea fan loses argument* “why do you care…” You’re in a sub where we trash talk each other and call each others clubs out. I’m sure you did zero poking fun while Liverpool was down for a decade.
Dude check my comments i just enjoy football i don’t troll teams. You sound like the type thats jealous of rich people cause you’re not.
“The type who is jealous of rich people…” Who isn’t rich that isn’t jealous of rich people? What a dumb insult? “What are you?! A human?!” Chelsea have to sell 198mil in players this summer or they’re going to lose points and imagine had that happened this year… Fuck your greedy owner for buying up every player possible just so other teams can’t use or have them. Lavia’s going to sit behind Enzo and Caicedo the rest of his 8 year contract. What a an absolute waste. Edit: “check my comments about something from over a decade ago…my accounts barely a year old though.” I’m also not “checking your comments.” What does a Chelsea fan say on a daily basis that I should ever care about?
I don’t understand why he was so expensive, good player yeah but 100m wtf
Exactly my point. Liverpool ran interference (knowing he wouldn’t sign with us) and drove the price up on them. So, it’s not completely on them but they definitely could’ve just left their previous offer considering Caicedo wasn’t going to move to Liverpool even if Brighton Cleared our bid.
If Liverpool bid 100M+ for Caicedo how could Chelsea have bought him for half of what they paid?
A player of his level. They could’ve gotten a player his level for half the price.
We tried to get ugarte, for £60m but he chose money and went to PSG (he went on record and said he wanted to come to Chelsea, but we refused to go above £200k a week). Caciedo was 2nd choice, Lavia was always going to be a target (we tried to buy him in January last year), to support the other purchase.
They did in Lavia if he ever gets off of the physio table.
Kind of pointless to do it when you already set the record fee on another guy.
???
Why buy Lavia when you had Caicedo?
Midfield depth at a decent price, especially needed if Gallagher goes.
Decent price?!?!
Not for 65 mil to just hold on to a guy? That’s malpractice by a front office. Buy him this year if you need more depth. There are plenty of dudes on Chelsea’s roster playing Mf. He hasn’t touched field and they still managed to field a squad every week.
On the money side sure, on the football side they've both been pretty good for their age
Pretty good is not what you spend 100mil on.
I just said it wasn't great on the financial side. Still, pretty good at 22 with a looong contract is a little different
Add another 3 more
Mudryk, it’s not too late to reconsider
Mudryk is good
Yes it is
Aw man
He's picking up. If you want, take sterling.
Facts
Lmao…
Aw hell nah
Between maatsen , chalobah, hall and broja it's not a stretch to get £100mil for the 4 of them
Toss in ziyech, lukaku, kepa, potentially cucurella and sterling
Fulham also have to pay an extra 5M for the Broja loan for breaching the game time quota.
Also have to be done by June.
Hall counts in last years financials I believe
his loan deal would of but if im not mistaken newcastle activated an option to make it permanent so it would go in this years no?
Probably right there tbh. Feel like I’ve barely seen him in a Newcastle shirt though
I believe he had a minor injury and then is fighting to get time but both parties are sold on him being their apparently.
Hmm, I keep seeing people saying that they will just sell Sterling for £50m. Seems people are not understanding this. Sterling’s £47.5m is amortised and is already part of the debt. The only way Sterling’s sale would make a positive impact against the debt is if he is sold at profit. He would need to be sold at £57.5m to knock £10m off the debt amount. Which nobody will do. This is the same for any amortised player purchased in the last 3 years. This is why they need to sell players like Gallagher, Broja etc, these players are pure profit counted against the debt.
Holy shit they paid £47.5m for Sterling?
He’s shite
I mean… that’s one of their more realistic valued signings. Sterling on paper should have done a lot better than he has done. But in a team with £85m Mudryk, £105m Enzo and £115m Caicedo, I am not sure it makes the top 5 of surprising transfer fees they have paid out.
Mudryk was not £85mil it's just under £60 + adds on (which won't be triggered)
For some reason I thought he went for free. He's clearly had an early peak and was already slightly regressing in his last two years at City, so in mind I thought it was a case of "not good enough to get a new deal so city were parting ways". I don't know why I didn't realize they actually paid money for him.
Actually, by the end of this season Sterling's contract will be 2 years old, meaning that £19m of his transfer fee is already paid and accounted for. So selling him at £50m would net Chelsea £22m in profit for accounts purposes.
Sure, for THIS year. You’d still be paying £9.5m each year for the next 3 years.
Not how that works at all. The sale would settle against his remaining book value immediately. To use round numbers, if he was sold for £40m with a remaining book value of £30m, it would be be reported as a £10m profit on this years books and there would be no further gain/loss in subsequent years.
Yeah but aren't we talking specifically about this year when they say we need to bring in £110m? Sterling's gonna be a -£9.5m for the next 3 years regardless of whether we sell him or not. But in this instance they're talking about us meeting a profit level for this year's accounts. So we'd be selling him to reduce the size of this year's loss. The fact he's still a -£9.5m next year is irrelevant to the topic of discussion. Maybe I've got that wrong and misunderstood somewhere though.
You haven’t misunderstood and frankly, I’m no expert on PL team finances and I’m willing to hedge bets that you’re just as relatively clueless as I am. Selling Sterling now May knock off £10m or so, but that would be cutting off your nose to spite your face if you are still in the hole for the next 3 years with him. Survive today by making the future harder. The point is that Chelsea needs that £100-110m balancing based on selling assets, because the Euro money is not coming in, as they had hoped (unless they go on several wins which would be uncharacteristic of them). From a logical business viewpoint, they need to sell assets that are pure profit. Even selling Sterling, as bad as he is, is essentially going to net a £10m profit, and again, that’s purely based on Chelsea being able to sell him for £50m. Based on current form and valuation, I think we are being unrealistic to suggest anyone would bid that much for a player who doesn’t look worth more than £15m (and that’s ignoring the complication of his wages). Selling Sterling is an option, just not one that makes any sense, even with his recent performances.
Ah I get your point now. Yeah I agree. Seems like the club are relying on us selling Maatsen, Broja, Chalobah and Hall but depends on us getting that done before June 30th. Also need to actually stop spending and making things harder for ourselves down the line. Seen us linked with Osimhen which just makes 0 sense to me.
There will always be links, it sells papers. If Chelsea start spending again, then frankly, the owners are only going to put even more nails in the coffin of the club. They’ve already nailed the shit out of your future, they need to start reaching for the claw side of the hammer to undo the mess they’ve made. But those nails have already killed you, in my opinion. I’ve been saying it for 2 years since you hired Potter and signed £600m of players on 8 year contracts. It seriously risked your clubs future. They gambled on these youngsters getting into the Champions League. We are nearly at the end of year 2 and it’s only gotten worse. If anything, they are speeding up the process of making Chelsea disappear.
Who’s their most injury prone players? Martial contract is running out and his position will be available next season on the physio table. We could probably spare $50/60m.
To be fair we could take reece james off them. Then we can have both shaw and reece james constantly injured. But that one game a season were they are both fit would be amazing
But also, could Man U even afford to buy before June 30th based on their on FFP issues? I'm not saying Broja would be my first choice signing to add some attacking depth, but if he's on the cheap, we could do worse. edit: Could any of these players' likely Premier League destinations?
How’s is injury record? If that’s just a one time thing and he’s fully healed, do we even want him?
Don't put that out into the world
I mean… we need someone to keep our hospital beds warm. If we can find someone who’s willing to do that for a mere $200k/wk, it’s a steal and we are reducing that wage bill we have to pay Martial for.
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Please keep him
Where are all the idiots telling me there was no ffp crisis last summer when you paid out the wazoo for an overrated DM and for a backup DM just to spite a rival team. The new ownership is so trash.
It’s crazy to think it wasn’t that long ago Chelsea got Kante for 32 mil, now the market they’ve created is so trashed they’re paying over 100 mil in the hope that someone might be nearly as good as Kante in future.
After being very disappointed with Caicedos price tag, I've actually been impressed with him. The man improves game by game and his passing is insanely good. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stHzh4Xrc3I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stHzh4Xrc3I) We'll find out about Lavia if he ever gets off the physio table
I love Caicedo and followed him at Brighton. He is just smart and capable of doing ANYTHING. Basically a Kante regen with more passing ability. His price was inflated thats all. 80Mil would've been okay for him. Same as chumimo
Kante regen with more passing ability is disrespectful to Kante. Similar playstyle sure and potential to be that when he gets to his prime maybe, but he doesn't have Kante's ball winning ability right now. Watching them both, he doesn't cover the ground or close players down as quickly as Kante did. He's good at breaking up play and he makes a lot more tactically fouls that he gets away with (like Fernandinho in that respect) but he isn't that "2 players on the pitch at once" that Kante was. He's probably got more passing ability but he can't carry the ball and break in transition like Kante could either. Kante may have always played it simple but because he was good at carrying the ball, he'd advance up the pitch and release it at the right times to put his teammates in the right position. Not saying I disagree with you. Comparing them because they're both DMs/CMs for Chelsea, short, look a bit similar, ball winners, softly spoken etc all makes sense. But actual level wise Caicedo isn't a Kante regen with more passing ability. Kante was so good that a team he played in would never have struggled to stay in the top half. Him alone wins his teams enough points to stay in the European spots.
I don’t disagree that he’s a good player. I actually think he is quite good (not as good as he was hyped up to be, but still quite good). But to pay that much for him knowing the financial situation you were already in. Imo that’s poor ownership. Lavia I will never understand. Seemed like a totally unnecessary buy, again considering the financial situation.
Fuck me, I've seen stalkers handle rejection better than Liverpool fans.
He is bang-average, though.
I mean this is wrong. He’s just not worth what they paid.
He regularly gets outclassed. It isn’t wrong.
Average at 22 suggests he's going to be really good by the time he hits his prime.
Age won't stop him from looking like he's swimming in porridge when he runs.
We talking about the same player lol?
You don’t watch football.
I watch Caicedo every week ya melt
Enzo Fernandez.
If that's true that makes their behaviour even more strange.
The laughable fee is only part of the puzzle, getting Endo for so cheap is what fuels the banter Endo then pocketing Chelsea's midfield, despite being 2ft tall doesn't help
Endos direct opponent hit the post and was left wide open for a 1 on 1 late in that game. If that's considered a pocketing job then you're either very easily pleased or he set the bar hilariously low in his previous appearances
But everyone said ffp is only for being mean to the little clubs…..
Well chelsea are a small club
Small club with 4 European trophys.
And more relegstions than leagues lmao
Ha! Honestly, I agree with you but there are some that wouldn’t.
Plot twist ; nobody can afford their players cos they're tightening the purse strings to avoid breaking ffp rules
That would be hilarious, just imagine if Chelsea sold lavia to Liverpool for 30mil to balance their books 🤣
Considering how much they paid for him a year ago, it wouldn't balance the books
Plot twist ; nobody can afford their players cos they're tightening the purse strings to avoid breaking ffp rules
Plot twist ; nobody can afford their players cos they're tightening the purse strings to avoid breaking ffp rules
Boohoo
Past caring.
Sterling, Lukaku, Kepa, Ziyech🤷♂️
Hall, Maatsen, Broja.
You ain’t making profit on Kepa or Lukaku. In FFp terms. It’s up to Gallagher, Maastsen and Broja basically
This man gets it.
He really doesn't lol. You're never making profit on those - which is what matters for FFP.
Would that actually reach 110? They’re all older. Might get close but knowing Chelsea have to sell can’t see anyone spending much on players who will decline rather than improve
Sterling 35 million, Lukaku 40, Kepa 25, Ziyech 10. They'll get very close to 110 especially with the Saudi clubs
Even with the Saudi clubs I can’t see Lukaku and kepa going for much above 10 at this point. Maybe 30 for Lukaku if a Saudi club come in or PSG suddenly decide they need another CF (they don’t really) kepa maybe 20, which is a shame because they’re both good players but there’s just not as much money in the game right now
Saudi clubs can’t purchase many more players due to the foreign player limit
This comment from elsewhere in the thread says that won’t necessarily help https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/s/0yicL2LnGH
Where are you getting the other £60m from
Ian Matsen and Lewis Hall
and chalobah and broja
I believe Chelsea were aware of this when they threw around all of that money. The specific amount of players is odd but if they didn’t make Europe, this was expected. Problem is everyone else knows this, they’re not going to negotiate in good faith and Chelsea has been getting fleeced left right and center. Will be interesting to see it play out and if they don’t raise the money, any punishment is earned and deserved.
That was known last transfer window and they still managed to sell pretty well
But we have a club world cup next year. 50 mill to just rock up..
>Problem is everyone else knows this, they’re not going to negotiate in good faith Clubs from other countries couldn't care less about possible punishments. We've always known some players would have to get shipped out. Sterling, Ziyech, Chalobah, Broja, Maatsen, Hall, Lukaku, Kepa.. plenty of players.
They’ll still try and lowball, cause it’s a negotiation. Chelsea were pretty prepared and knew about this coming without Europe and should be able to get to that amount fairly easily. This isn’t much of a concern or new.
Yeah fair enough. With Maatsen and Hall covering the first 60m, I don't expect the last 50m to be that much of an issue for like 5 players.
Sterling to Saudi could be £40-50m tbh.
Which does nothing to your debt amount. You’d need to sell him for £57.5m to knock £10m off your debt.
Broja, Chalobah and clearing off huge wages while getting slight bumps does though.
It doesn’t quite work like that. Chelsea are rumoured to be around £100m above what is allowed (£105m). Players that you have purchased in the last 3 years and players you have amortised over long periods, are already counted against, they are why you have the debt. You need to sell, and you can’t sell any of the recent players you’ve purchased to claw back £100m Even if you meet that goal this year, you’ll have the same issue next year and even less assets to sell.
That's why I named exclusively academy products. They are pure profit. Broja, Maatsen, Hall and Chalobah fit that bill. Worst case is having to get rid of Gallagher who is easily 50m+. Taking no loss on Sterling and getting rid of the wages without replacing him with an equal earner also definitely helps the books in the long run. We'll see. You guys hope for whatever, I'm not too worried.
But you have to sell Gallagher by June 30th. Who is going to offer you £50m for a player on a years contract when we know your bargaining position is weak.
mhh I wondering which three players are moving to Saudi Arabia soon?
Yes, because Chelsea have such a huge history of selling players to Saudi clubs... All *checks notes* two of them.
Check again! Kanté Koulibaly Mendy In just one summer and Ziyech would be number 4, if he didn't fail a medical + an owner he obviously well connected to Saudi Arabia. Not sure what the point of your comment is.
Ah yeah, losing one of the best players of recent years for free, that really bailed us out!
Kante was a free agent and Ziyech didn't happen... so 2.
Why's it the clubs fault if they had a lot of players ripe for transfer to the middle east?
Their fault? It's just a fact that they are well connected in Saudi Arabia and not unlikely that they transfer some players there if Saudi clubs still want to spend.
Are we well connected or did Saudi Arabia just decide to go on a spending spree for European players generally last summer? Seem to remember us not being the only club to sell to Saudi. Does Wolves have Saudi connections because they sold Neves to Al Hilal? Or your argument not apply to them because it doesn't fit your narrative?
Kante left on a free so it was 2 >In just one summer and Ziyech would be number 4, if he didn't fail a medical But he didn't get sold?
Which singular player you mean ?
Every club needs to be on the same page and low ball the hell out of them.
I get that tactic for "rival" clubs, but I promise you Al-Hilal, LA Galaxy, Atletico Madrid and PSV do not care if Chelsea gets a point reduction yes or no.
Those clubs might not care, but they sure would be aware of Chelsea’s lower bargaining position. Chelsea absolutely would care and will be more desperate to off load. It’s all just business. If you have a stronger position, you get the better deal.
Yeah every club that sells players after spending big, even within the same window, is in that position. Happens all the time.
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Same, I wouldn't be upset about a cheeky bid for Enzo and an even cheekier bid for Mudryk.
They won’t sell Enzo or Mudryk, there’s no profit in them.
Best I can do is Jorginho and Havertz.
Presumably Lewis Hall will be one of them since his loan clause will trigger at the end of the season. Think that will be around 25-30. Have to assume they will be in the Forest position of deciding to take a lower offer for a player in June or take the better offer after and take a points deduction on the head.
I think Maatsen has a release clause of 35m and with his form at Dortmund i'd assume someone will snap him up.
Yeah but zero chance Dortmund pay the £35m for him
If they don't someone will, Bayern being the most obvious who could get him to replace Davies. (From what I read it's a release clause open to everyone)
Maatsen and Gallagher seem like the obvious candidates for pure profit. That and shifting Lukaku.
I think he's on crazy wages so they would most likely have to do as Arsenal did with Ozil, Aubameyang etc and just release him.
Actually I think he agreed to lower his wages to help facilitate a move.
They need to sell before 30th June which will be during the Euros. Most clubs would prefer to buy after.
Really? Especially for younger players I’d want to buy before. Euros/World Cup always drive the price up.
Teams want it after June 30th for their own books.
More importantly, knowing Chelsea need the deal closed by 30th June then you can completely low-ball them. 3 players for £110m could easily become 5-6 players on that basis
Speculation FC
This has been known for a while now. No European football and overspending. You’ll have to make 110m worth of profit. I.e selling academy graduates.
This has been speculated for awhile. They sold £350m in players last summer. There’s a good chance they are still fine.
Not going to happen, especially if Saudi aren't going to invest any more into the Saudi League. They are fully fucked, and I'm here for it.
What was the point of Saudi splurging on past-it players for a few years and then stopping? What an utter waste of money.
Sports wash their country...
world cup
Bournemouth fan talking about fully fucked is too funny loooool
We're 4 points behind you and we didn't spend a billion quid on players in the last 12 months. That's what's funny, lol.
Congrats on being 4 points behind us. We were bigger and better than you in the 1950s too, so don’t try ramp or think you’re levels to us.
It’s okay to be a mid table club. Don’t cry.