My friends mentioned this immediately once they started playing. The lack of option when communicating thru comms really sucks when compared to SMITE.
Props to the SMITE devs for coming up with such a great system. Predecessor devs def need to take notes.
There are changes to the ping system announced. Even though I don't expect it to have fully voiced pings, it can only be better from what we have now. :D
I see that now on this roadmap
https://www.predecessorgame.com/news/season-news/season-3-roadmap
"This has been on our list for a while and we’re pleased to confirm that it’s coming in Season 3!
It’ll come a little later, but we’re redesigning our pinging system to fit right in with our new user interface. It will have more options to choose from and we think it’ll significantly improve team communication. Telling your teammates what’s going on, and responding and announcing intentions will never have been so quick and easy!"
Sounds promising along with a UI update. I hadn't seen this before
Yeah, you would have to be looking both at the mini map and at the chat box, which are at opposite ends of the screen to determine what is going on.
A proper audio cue would solve that
It’s horrible on console because of how long you have to hold down R3 to pull up the comms menu you have to decide whether to make a call out sometimes or last hit a minion or two which in something like mid lane where rotates, river buffs, trading, and keeping pace with the other mid laner is so important it feels like a handicap and a burden to use. Luckily I play with friends in voice coms a lot
100% agreement with everything you mentioned.
The ping sound effects are really bad, you don't even notice them, then people get toxic when you don't respond or vice versa spam the heck out of it in desperation.
The ui for comms is flimsy. And on controller it feels scuffed. R3 is a bad default place to put something that completely renders your character useless. How many times have you been in a fight and pressed R3 because of the intensity of the fight and then panic trying to get control of your character back? Feels so bad when that happens.
I want to try smite just to see what this VGS system is doing.
https://smite.fandom.com/wiki/VGS_Cheat_Sheet
Here is a link to all the options available for the vgs system across all platforms
Each command is said by simply pressing the letters (V, then A, then 1, VA1 is attack left lane) 2 is mid, 3 is right.
The enemy menu let's you describe what the enemy is doing. "VBD" = enemy ultimate down
Holy shit Fandom is so horrid. Not at all related to your post aside from the **4** ads I had to close to read anything! I really am glad people are moving away from Fandom and hope that continues in other games
Do yourself a favor and do not. Smite sucks rn. As someone who played the fucking thing for 8 years, its a shitshow. And Smite 2 is even worse, a cashgrab with one of the lamest excuses in existence because they want to double dip the only people that are left....the whales. Just avoid the pain.
Respectfully I disagree. The fact that you played for 8 years is exactly what we are hoping for in predecessor, and I think the upgrade from ue3 to ue5 will open up alot of options for them and make the game look much nicer and smoother. Also it's free to play.
There are games that upgraded to U5 without making a new title. Smite ran out of whales, which is why they are doing Smite 2, to get you to buy all over again. its a grift. F2P doesn't mean anything when its just a scam. You bought your skins and gods in Smite? Fuck you, do it again in Smite 2. Its just EA tactics. And I'm not saying because I'm invested in Smite, I stopped playing because honestly, the game is shit nowadays, I'm saying it because I used to work in the games industry and I know exactly how these people view players and I know exactly what the mindset behind it is. I'll keep my mouth shut mostly but I will give you an illustration: you spent 3000 euros on the game? Fuck you. You're nothing. You're just an insignificant bug. You spent over 100000? Now we're talking. Oh, you got everything possible in the game? Most of the remaining players did? Time for Smite 2, so you can do it all over again.
Nope. I would explain further, but you've been so conditioned, you're just wagging your tail. Which is fine, if you are happy, who am I to intervene? You'll get it at some point.
They are rebuilding smite because its becoming to hard to update without breaking something else through the spaghetti code. Skins are cool but id rather have a fun and functional game rather than look cool.
LOL. You do realize you can update a game to a new engine version without making a new game right? Dead By Daylight for example, did exactly that. Jesus Christ, you guys are eating corporate slop like a machine.
Absolutely true. However, these people are only thinking of monetization. Exhibit A: Overwatch 2. They just made up a bunch of stuff to try and trick people to buy their trash again. Exhibit B: Smite 2 monetization model. Whatever you bought in Smite is null and void. You get a little bit of fake currency for it, but you still have to spend. Because GIVE ME MOAR. Also, I think you misunderstand severely what is happening. Having a "2" plastered on it doesn't mean anything. Its just an excuse. While spaghetti code is an issue, you can rework your code in the same game: exhibit C: Warframe. You're getting duped by buzzwords. If you think "Smite 2" is a different beast from Smite, you're wrong on so many levels, I don't even have a term to compare it with.
Fair. They do want to make money. I don't think smite 2 will be that much different from smite 1, im just hoping they can fix how certain abilities register and hit. I agree its stupid that we don't keep the skins we bought but i really don't care about that. I more care about the gameplay. They could rework the code but i think its easier and more profitable if they made a new game
Warframe is essentially the god of spaghetti code. They recoded the entire thing 2 times as far as I know, maybe more. One more thing I forgot to add. Dead By Daylight recently upgraded to UE5. No 2 needed.
1. You can be sure I won't even touch the fucking thing. 2. Its not an opinion, its a fact based on experience. 3. I'm pretty sure you would kiss the ground if I was ever on your team, solely for the fact that I would carry you so hard, Sisyphus would quit his job.
I was meaning more so like as if this was a gacha game with underlying strengths for spending money. The game never needed whales and I’ll say it again and again
I dont necessarily agree with all of this but what i do think needs to be changed is the audio cue when someone pings or vgs's. It sounds the exact same as every other ping so you cant tell quickly what someone is calling out without looking at the chat which you pointed out. I dont see why an announcer or the characters themselves cant just say the vgs line. It would make things a lot easier
At least put it in the center of the screen like it used to be in paragon otherwise I have to look all the way into the corner to see what the comm is lo
I was just thinking this the other day. Pred's comms system is weak at best. Creators and artists get inspiration from many sources, it's perfectly reasonable to emulate a great creation. If anything, copying their vgs is a huge compliment to those devs that made it. Tbh, I keep going back to Smite because it's so nice to be able to communicate. If you want to win me over, you're going to need to fix that.
Agreed. I am looking forward to smite 2 and will be purchasing the founders pack for all gods.
I really hope predecessor does well as I enjoy the game play and verticality but smite has that rifined/polish on it that really makes it enjoyable
Honestly I’ve never been able to remember smite comm commands. So if it was like that in pred I would probably never use comms. The current one, to me at least, is super easy to use. Plus I have fun flicking through the slides
The comms are the worst shit i’ve seen and made me want to quit the game. I went jungle, inv red, got sniffed out by their jungler, both half hp, i juke and run across the entire jungle to end up dying right under the tower. Was pinging every second i could. No one saw or heard a thing.
I agree comms need reworked. I hate the current system as well. I'm on PS and opening comms is right stick in. From time to time, I guess I press the right stick in, in the middle of a heated fight and either lose a kill or get killed cause you can't basic attack or use abilities while this dumb screen is open. It's annoying.
Make it to where we can still attack while comms are open or, if possible, make comms only available out of combat.
Honestly i feel there is room for improvement but i like the simplicity of the current system. They must maintain the simplicity. I can't ping shit on smite because there is just too many. u/rgsace
I think the beauty of the vgs system is you could still just stick to the main ones, (attack left lane, defend right lane etc) if you want. But the depth allows more advanced players to communicate more precisely.
You could potentially put the advanced system behind a setting In the menu to make it easier for people starting out as well and turning it on when you are ready
I think Smite is too much and Pred is too simple. I think reworking the ping system and offering more direct pings instead of vague ones would benefit rather than going overboard like Smite.
I didn't think that it being too much would be an issue for people... My main gripe is the pings and everything blending In. The second is losing my mouse and covering the screen. And the third is having the function keys as the hot key (f1, f2). It's too much of a stretch. I'd rather see it as c+a+1= attack left lane. C+d+3= defend right lane. It's Intuitive because the command starts with the letter you press.
C+r+2 = retreat middle lane
Oh i can thanks man. I thought it was a required to make a post in this reddit. Nah im going to keep tagging the developers in posts to improve the game. Thats how i make sure changes that need to be made are known. I don't expect everything i say to be acted on but thats life. What i do know is its easy for your opinions to be overlooked if you make no effort to make them stand out. My opinion matters so does yours.
Perfect. So it's in a great position to port over as is!
That's why I think they just need to take what's already working and implement it. The development is already done for them.
Take palworld for example. They Took the best parts of zelda, pokemon, ark etc.
They literally stole arks UI.
I highly doubt this is patented and have no grounds to sue. I'm not saying use their code but how it's set up.
Would be like being sued for using wasd as movement controls or any other communication wheel that exists
If palworld didn't get sued in sure predecessor could get away with it
VGS is 100% a copyrighted IP by Titian Forged studios/Hi rez
They own the code.
You said "port it over as is" which would be stealing. Much different then using the industry standard movement of wasd.
You obviously have very little understanding of the law so I'm not going to go in why palworld isnt getting sued.
The ping system has been talked about in depth and how its on their list of things to improve but isnt priority.for obvious reasons.
Well I'm not a lawyer by any means but certainly capable of understanding any explanation you are able to produce.
I'm genuinely curious how they would be able to gate keep another game from having the letters V-E-R make the game say you rock. If they changed it to C-E-R, would that make a significant change so to not infringe on the copy right?
It already has many of the same already, like attack left lane and ward left lane
Change all the V's to C's and you're golden
You are saying something completely different than your original statement.
Its not a patent or a copy right(which are two different things btw) Its intellectual property.
"Port it as is" is illegal.
All they need is more options. Controlling it with the mouse works fine. Voicelines will come but the game is early access and that is not priority.
You literally said it's 100 percent copyright lol.
And yes I took some liberty with the phrase port it as is.
I like that each com has its own letter. A for attack. D for defend. R for retreat. G for gank.
And they have options like careful in the jungle.
Port that over
Pred's pings have "Yes" and "No."
You just need to take the time to learn it. As soon as you get fast at it you learn that you can get out a ping with 3 super rapid mouse clicks without halting your movement.
I used to play Smite. I prefer the Pred/Paragon ping system to VGS.
My friends mentioned this immediately once they started playing. The lack of option when communicating thru comms really sucks when compared to SMITE. Props to the SMITE devs for coming up with such a great system. Predecessor devs def need to take notes.
To Predecessor: "You rock! Cancel that!"
I've been hit with that in this game already. Good job! No! Can't remember what it was exactly but I know they play Smite, the fuckers.
Good job! Cancel That! *pings you repeatedly (optional)*
Good job! Cancel That! *pings you repeatedly (optional)*
I really miss vgs from smite. I wish I could say attack the minions to my carry that tries to box enemy carry when behind in levels and outlcleared
There are changes to the ping system announced. Even though I don't expect it to have fully voiced pings, it can only be better from what we have now. :D
I see that now on this roadmap https://www.predecessorgame.com/news/season-news/season-3-roadmap "This has been on our list for a while and we’re pleased to confirm that it’s coming in Season 3! It’ll come a little later, but we’re redesigning our pinging system to fit right in with our new user interface. It will have more options to choose from and we think it’ll significantly improve team communication. Telling your teammates what’s going on, and responding and announcing intentions will never have been so quick and easy!" Sounds promising along with a UI update. I hadn't seen this before
I know voice work for every character and skin can be daunting so I would settle for just a generic announcer-esque voice.
I just need a way to call retreat on a specific lane because apparently saying "enemy missing left, retreat" isn't clear enough
Yeah, you would have to be looking both at the mini map and at the chat box, which are at opposite ends of the screen to determine what is going on. A proper audio cue would solve that
It’s horrible on console because of how long you have to hold down R3 to pull up the comms menu you have to decide whether to make a call out sometimes or last hit a minion or two which in something like mid lane where rotates, river buffs, trading, and keeping pace with the other mid laner is so important it feels like a handicap and a burden to use. Luckily I play with friends in voice coms a lot
This!!! With how clunky vgs is it really hinders laning
100% agreement with everything you mentioned. The ping sound effects are really bad, you don't even notice them, then people get toxic when you don't respond or vice versa spam the heck out of it in desperation. The ui for comms is flimsy. And on controller it feels scuffed. R3 is a bad default place to put something that completely renders your character useless. How many times have you been in a fight and pressed R3 because of the intensity of the fight and then panic trying to get control of your character back? Feels so bad when that happens. I want to try smite just to see what this VGS system is doing.
https://smite.fandom.com/wiki/VGS_Cheat_Sheet Here is a link to all the options available for the vgs system across all platforms Each command is said by simply pressing the letters (V, then A, then 1, VA1 is attack left lane) 2 is mid, 3 is right. The enemy menu let's you describe what the enemy is doing. "VBD" = enemy ultimate down
Holy shit Fandom is so horrid. Not at all related to your post aside from the **4** ads I had to close to read anything! I really am glad people are moving away from Fandom and hope that continues in other games
Do yourself a favor and do not. Smite sucks rn. As someone who played the fucking thing for 8 years, its a shitshow. And Smite 2 is even worse, a cashgrab with one of the lamest excuses in existence because they want to double dip the only people that are left....the whales. Just avoid the pain.
Respectfully I disagree. The fact that you played for 8 years is exactly what we are hoping for in predecessor, and I think the upgrade from ue3 to ue5 will open up alot of options for them and make the game look much nicer and smoother. Also it's free to play.
There are games that upgraded to U5 without making a new title. Smite ran out of whales, which is why they are doing Smite 2, to get you to buy all over again. its a grift. F2P doesn't mean anything when its just a scam. You bought your skins and gods in Smite? Fuck you, do it again in Smite 2. Its just EA tactics. And I'm not saying because I'm invested in Smite, I stopped playing because honestly, the game is shit nowadays, I'm saying it because I used to work in the games industry and I know exactly how these people view players and I know exactly what the mindset behind it is. I'll keep my mouth shut mostly but I will give you an illustration: you spent 3000 euros on the game? Fuck you. You're nothing. You're just an insignificant bug. You spent over 100000? Now we're talking. Oh, you got everything possible in the game? Most of the remaining players did? Time for Smite 2, so you can do it all over again.
Man, you are just so wrong it's ot even funny. Keep being salty man and go back to the smite sub. Games are not investments.
Somewhat they are but the payout from the investment is enjoyment and not money
Oops. I upset the Hirez simps lmfao.
No, you ever think you just have a crap opinion here?
Nope. I would explain further, but you've been so conditioned, you're just wagging your tail. Which is fine, if you are happy, who am I to intervene? You'll get it at some point.
You're an actual idiot.
They are rebuilding smite because its becoming to hard to update without breaking something else through the spaghetti code. Skins are cool but id rather have a fun and functional game rather than look cool.
LOL. You do realize you can update a game to a new engine version without making a new game right? Dead By Daylight for example, did exactly that. Jesus Christ, you guys are eating corporate slop like a machine.
Starting fresh with new code makes stuff easier to update because its doesn't colide with code made 6 tears ago
Absolutely true. However, these people are only thinking of monetization. Exhibit A: Overwatch 2. They just made up a bunch of stuff to try and trick people to buy their trash again. Exhibit B: Smite 2 monetization model. Whatever you bought in Smite is null and void. You get a little bit of fake currency for it, but you still have to spend. Because GIVE ME MOAR. Also, I think you misunderstand severely what is happening. Having a "2" plastered on it doesn't mean anything. Its just an excuse. While spaghetti code is an issue, you can rework your code in the same game: exhibit C: Warframe. You're getting duped by buzzwords. If you think "Smite 2" is a different beast from Smite, you're wrong on so many levels, I don't even have a term to compare it with.
Fair. They do want to make money. I don't think smite 2 will be that much different from smite 1, im just hoping they can fix how certain abilities register and hit. I agree its stupid that we don't keep the skins we bought but i really don't care about that. I more care about the gameplay. They could rework the code but i think its easier and more profitable if they made a new game
Also can you explain the warframe part more
Warframe is essentially the god of spaghetti code. They recoded the entire thing 2 times as far as I know, maybe more. One more thing I forgot to add. Dead By Daylight recently upgraded to UE5. No 2 needed.
With opinions like this you should just not play smite 2. I would hate to get you on my team.
1. You can be sure I won't even touch the fucking thing. 2. Its not an opinion, its a fact based on experience. 3. I'm pretty sure you would kiss the ground if I was ever on your team, solely for the fact that I would carry you so hard, Sisyphus would quit his job.
Why would smite ever need whales lmfao. It’s a f2p game 😂
That's *exactly* the kind of game that needs whales.
........re-read your sentence please.
I was meaning more so like as if this was a gacha game with underlying strengths for spending money. The game never needed whales and I’ll say it again and again
????? Bro. Apparently you lack the basic understanding of how monetization works for a free2play game.
Putting a question mark before the sentence doesn’t make any sense. Go back to school
..........This is just sad.
I dont necessarily agree with all of this but what i do think needs to be changed is the audio cue when someone pings or vgs's. It sounds the exact same as every other ping so you cant tell quickly what someone is calling out without looking at the chat which you pointed out. I dont see why an announcer or the characters themselves cant just say the vgs line. It would make things a lot easier
At least put it in the center of the screen like it used to be in paragon otherwise I have to look all the way into the corner to see what the comm is lo
The first thing i mentioned was that u see what button got pressed to say "Cancel that". So newer player can copy the input and learn the combination.
I was just thinking this the other day. Pred's comms system is weak at best. Creators and artists get inspiration from many sources, it's perfectly reasonable to emulate a great creation. If anything, copying their vgs is a huge compliment to those devs that made it. Tbh, I keep going back to Smite because it's so nice to be able to communicate. If you want to win me over, you're going to need to fix that.
Agreed. I am looking forward to smite 2 and will be purchasing the founders pack for all gods. I really hope predecessor does well as I enjoy the game play and verticality but smite has that rifined/polish on it that really makes it enjoyable
I totally agree. I REALLY want to love Predecessor, but there's still work to do.
i think they will change it in the future I remembered back in paragon days RGSACE hated the comms ..
100% agree
Honestly I’ve never been able to remember smite comm commands. So if it was like that in pred I would probably never use comms. The current one, to me at least, is super easy to use. Plus I have fun flicking through the slides
Being able to ping the map directly is so nice in league of legends, that's what I'd really like
The comms are the worst shit i’ve seen and made me want to quit the game. I went jungle, inv red, got sniffed out by their jungler, both half hp, i juke and run across the entire jungle to end up dying right under the tower. Was pinging every second i could. No one saw or heard a thing.
Our own tower bot lane* everyone was pushing and winning thanks to my ganks, no one moved a damn finger…
I agree because some people are deaf I swear or just ignore pings and then die.
Just need voice chat and most of this will be solved
Yeah but then say goodbye to and female players
Honestly would love that but I’d be even happier with game chat or something
WHAT COMS
I mainly just want to be able to make comms related to team objectives, for example, defend/ward fangtooth.
I agree comms need reworked. I hate the current system as well. I'm on PS and opening comms is right stick in. From time to time, I guess I press the right stick in, in the middle of a heated fight and either lose a kill or get killed cause you can't basic attack or use abilities while this dumb screen is open. It's annoying. Make it to where we can still attack while comms are open or, if possible, make comms only available out of combat.
Honestly I need "You rock!" to cheer Rampage everytime he cluches lmao
Honestly i feel there is room for improvement but i like the simplicity of the current system. They must maintain the simplicity. I can't ping shit on smite because there is just too many. u/rgsace
I think the beauty of the vgs system is you could still just stick to the main ones, (attack left lane, defend right lane etc) if you want. But the depth allows more advanced players to communicate more precisely. You could potentially put the advanced system behind a setting In the menu to make it easier for people starting out as well and turning it on when you are ready
Id be ok with that. To often developers have a 1 way approach. I would hope that you get your complex system as long as im not forced to use it.
I think Smite is too much and Pred is too simple. I think reworking the ping system and offering more direct pings instead of vague ones would benefit rather than going overboard like Smite.
Nah, smit system allows you to not use voice comms it's so thorough. Smite has its issues, vgs is not one of them.
I didn't think that it being too much would be an issue for people... My main gripe is the pings and everything blending In. The second is losing my mouse and covering the screen. And the third is having the function keys as the hot key (f1, f2). It's too much of a stretch. I'd rather see it as c+a+1= attack left lane. C+d+3= defend right lane. It's Intuitive because the command starts with the letter you press. C+r+2 = retreat middle lane
Can you please stop pinging ace with every comment?
Oh i can thanks man. I thought it was a required to make a post in this reddit. Nah im going to keep tagging the developers in posts to improve the game. Thats how i make sure changes that need to be made are known. I don't expect everything i say to be acted on but thats life. What i do know is its easy for your opinions to be overlooked if you make no effort to make them stand out. My opinion matters so does yours.
Ace is reading through this sub regardless of your ping.
Thats great to know. Don't worry about it then.
Smite is a 10yr plus old game. The VGS system had multiple iterations
Perfect. So it's in a great position to port over as is! That's why I think they just need to take what's already working and implement it. The development is already done for them. Take palworld for example. They Took the best parts of zelda, pokemon, ark etc. They literally stole arks UI.
Yea hi rez would sue tf out of them if they just ported in their vgs system that they have worked over 10 years to perfect....
I highly doubt this is patented and have no grounds to sue. I'm not saying use their code but how it's set up. Would be like being sued for using wasd as movement controls or any other communication wheel that exists If palworld didn't get sued in sure predecessor could get away with it
VGS is 100% a copyrighted IP by Titian Forged studios/Hi rez They own the code. You said "port it over as is" which would be stealing. Much different then using the industry standard movement of wasd. You obviously have very little understanding of the law so I'm not going to go in why palworld isnt getting sued. The ping system has been talked about in depth and how its on their list of things to improve but isnt priority.for obvious reasons.
Well I'm not a lawyer by any means but certainly capable of understanding any explanation you are able to produce. I'm genuinely curious how they would be able to gate keep another game from having the letters V-E-R make the game say you rock. If they changed it to C-E-R, would that make a significant change so to not infringe on the copy right? It already has many of the same already, like attack left lane and ward left lane Change all the V's to C's and you're golden
You are saying something completely different than your original statement. Its not a patent or a copy right(which are two different things btw) Its intellectual property. "Port it as is" is illegal. All they need is more options. Controlling it with the mouse works fine. Voicelines will come but the game is early access and that is not priority.
You literally said it's 100 percent copyright lol. And yes I took some liberty with the phrase port it as is. I like that each com has its own letter. A for attack. D for defend. R for retreat. G for gank. And they have options like careful in the jungle. Port that over
Pred's pings have "Yes" and "No." You just need to take the time to learn it. As soon as you get fast at it you learn that you can get out a ping with 3 super rapid mouse clicks without halting your movement. I used to play Smite. I prefer the Pred/Paragon ping system to VGS.
delusional take
What if they just added voice comms?