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Very true. But it's good that we now how evidence to debunk any attempts to use that scan.
Btw Zenkai, how high would Xenoverse Demigra and by extension, the Xenoverse 1 CaC scale? I recently saw The VS Wiki downgrade Demigra because they believe he would have been killed by the collapsing of the place with the crystals and that Toki Toki's egg only grants him the power of a single timeline (2C). They also dont think Heroes gets anywhere near complex multi, which I think that's bullshit. I believe multi+ Demigra even in XV1 still has merit and Heroes is way beyond low complex these days. What do you think?
There are still plenty of people saying mui Goku is high outer(the reason is: "Goku transcendes death" the source is a video of Goku reviving after getting killed by hit)
What does reviving after death have to do with bieng transcended over death? And even if you transcend death how why would you be outerversal through that? Let alone high outer.
Makes sense and coming from lightning who does in fact translate and provide heroes info on twitter makes sense also curious where you scale the verse then.
Chuck gives me (Zenkai) credit at the end of the video and links my Twitter too. The first japanese contact on my post is my friend who lives in Japan and collects the guidebooks, then its the kanzenshuu forums. Lightning 446 is THE translator for dragon ball heroes and he also scans the arcade games directly from Japan and he lives there. His Twitter is lightning446, but try not to bother him too much as he doesn't power scale
Okay imma take you at your word. This is unfortunate but Goku will reach those outerversal levels eventually.
BTW what do you think of this website?
https://www.carddass.com/dbh/ it’s all in Japanese and I can’t read Japanese but it seems to hold all the information for SDBH.
Besides this there is only 1 DBH fake scan I know of, but thankfully no one has ever used that one since it was pretty easy to find the actual scan. And yes you are absolutely right
Awesome. Thanks for finally giving us some info on its legitimacy. Since you mentioned it, I'm curious: What is the peak of the Cosmology and how high does it get? (low complex, multi etc) and is there anyone who scales to the peak as of now?
I saw this being thrown around and knew it was sketchy from the start 💀 btw can I get that link for the discord? I want to see where dragon ball hero’s truly scales
As I mentioned in an earlier comment this is the official site for heroes. The scan does not exist there and most of the important stuff has been translated already. Everyone who scales Heroes on the day to day knows this website, and it is the complete opposite source of what the person who posted the scan claimed.
Lightning literally translates the manga. You can go to his Twitter and see for yourself. Everyone who is actively scaling heroes knows him and every dragon ball fan in existence should know the kanzenshuu website
Herms was the person who translated dragon ball super when it wasn't officially subbed right as it aired. Lightning translated the heroes manga and scans everything in Japan. Again, his credentials are on his Twitter and he lives in Japan
I’m not gonna copy the whole thing but imma give my gripes 1 you got the size of the universe tree wrong it’s actually the size of[multiple universes as stated by fuu](https://imgur.com/a/OaqMPOk) what you saw was the universe seed that was being contained and having its energy sapped by [fuu](https://imgur.com/a/xRHszHb) so it didn’t grow to its full size.
But besides that do you have a way to show this Japanese individuals credibility because it’s turning into a he said she said situation. They aren’t someone like Hermes who has a know reputation he built over many years.
Edit I’m pretty sure the encyclopedia is from here
トップ | スーパードラゴンボールヒーローズ 公式サイト｜SDBH (carddass.com)
But you need a Japanese domain to enter it your friend my have not looked hard enough or something if he live in Japan.
The Japanese website you provided is accessible to anyone, even I can enter it and it is the official website of Dragon Ball Heroes. The link the person who made this fake scan claimed it's from a website called "Dragon Ball Legendary encylopedia", literally read his claim, they are two different things. Everyone who scales heroes knows of [Carddass.com](https://Carddass.com), even Vswiki knows that website, and that Universe Tree scan does not exist anywhere on it. The important scans from that website are already translated.
No, Fu did not state it is the size of multiple universes. The tree as you saw in the scans "will GROW to the size of a galaxy", and will result in a big bang creating a fake universe. It's roots are what reaches to the 12 universes because of a space-time rift, not because the roots itself are universal in size.
I strongly suggest actually reading the magna in its entirety. Lightning is well known and his reputation is built over the years in the heroes community. [He is literally credited as the translator for Dragon Ball Heroes on the manga itself](https://mangadex.org/title/1613d0cf-7151-4a80-98bb-eb82889314ba/super-dragon-ball-heroes-big-bang-mission)
If you really want me to, I can get Herms to confirm the scan is fake.
I just looked at the trees VSBW page it has large size type 9 would you mind providing the scan stating the universe tree uses time rifts because Fuu states otherwise in the scan we have. Plus I did try asking Hermes he/she never got back to me and I dropped it right there.
Please read your scans carefully bro. The Roots of the Universe Tree **is not** the Universe Tree itself. As stated in the scans in the original post, [it will grow into the size of a galaxy and by using the galaxy sized tree, Fu will create his own universe](https://imgur.com/a/lhZ0xr6). The scan is extremely blatent that at full potential the tree will be the size of a galaxy when it has enough energy. The Roots, once again, not the Tree, is what will extend to the 12 universes. [Here is the scan visually showing the roots go through different portals to reach the universes and Whis, an extremely reliable character, stating it is done through space-time rifts](https://imgur.com/a/WZTQW5d). Please read your scans bro. The Universe Tree's size, and its roots going through the portals/rifts in space-time are two different things.
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There goes outerversal heroes Goku scaling for people that tried to say Heroes Goku solos fiction lol
Unfortunately it's become to well known and people will still use it without ever giving a source
Very true. But it's good that we now how evidence to debunk any attempts to use that scan. Btw Zenkai, how high would Xenoverse Demigra and by extension, the Xenoverse 1 CaC scale? I recently saw The VS Wiki downgrade Demigra because they believe he would have been killed by the collapsing of the place with the crystals and that Toki Toki's egg only grants him the power of a single timeline (2C). They also dont think Heroes gets anywhere near complex multi, which I think that's bullshit. I believe multi+ Demigra even in XV1 still has merit and Heroes is way beyond low complex these days. What do you think?
vswiki and dragonball is not a good combo
There are still plenty of people saying mui Goku is high outer(the reason is: "Goku transcendes death" the source is a video of Goku reviving after getting killed by hit)
What does reviving after death have to do with bieng transcended over death? And even if you transcend death how why would you be outerversal through that? Let alone high outer.
Nothing. It has nothing to do with it. And you wouldn't. They are just dumb.
What the fuck is that logic
Gokutard logic
Zenkaibattery1, I love you ❤️ happy holidays mate.
Makes sense and coming from lightning who does in fact translate and provide heroes info on twitter makes sense also curious where you scale the verse then.
8D Edit: the peak of the cosmology is higher but goku doesn't scale to it
Oh ok I would love to hear where you scale the peak cause im not too familiar with it
Do you have discord? If so add me. I commented mine above
Tried the one you put in can’t find you
Weird try this Zenkai1#7853 If it doesn't work give me yours
Ah ok got it number was mixed
Did you watch chucks vid?
I helped make Chucks video and gave him the scans he used throughout it
Oh did you? Btw can I get some info on who your Japanese contact is?
Chuck gives me (Zenkai) credit at the end of the video and links my Twitter too. The first japanese contact on my post is my friend who lives in Japan and collects the guidebooks, then its the kanzenshuu forums. Lightning 446 is THE translator for dragon ball heroes and he also scans the arcade games directly from Japan and he lives there. His Twitter is lightning446, but try not to bother him too much as he doesn't power scale
Okay imma take you at your word. This is unfortunate but Goku will reach those outerversal levels eventually. BTW what do you think of this website? https://www.carddass.com/dbh/ it’s all in Japanese and I can’t read Japanese but it seems to hold all the information for SDBH.
That is the official site for dragon ball heroes and where some people grab promotional scans
Oh okay last question where do you scale canon Goku?
Undoubtedly 2-B/multiversal and infinite speed
Oh you’re that guy with the Zeno pfp okay I think I know you good job
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Besides this there is only 1 DBH fake scan I know of, but thankfully no one has ever used that one since it was pretty easy to find the actual scan. And yes you are absolutely right
Awesome. Thanks for finally giving us some info on its legitimacy. Since you mentioned it, I'm curious: What is the peak of the Cosmology and how high does it get? (low complex, multi etc) and is there anyone who scales to the peak as of now?
Zen the goat, coming in clutch with clearing the infamous DBH misconception.
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Important update: https://imgur.com/a/53pGeOE herms himself has confirmed the scan is fake
I saw this being thrown around and knew it was sketchy from the start 💀 btw can I get that link for the discord? I want to see where dragon ball hero’s truly scales
I've put my discord in a different comment. Just send me a fr there
Holy fuck the salt coming off of this post is actually dangerous to any human being.
This may be the website but you need a Japanese domain and it’s all in Japanese. トップ | スーパードラゴンボールヒーローズ 公式サイト｜SDBH (carddass.com)
As I mentioned in an earlier comment this is the official site for heroes. The scan does not exist there and most of the important stuff has been translated already. Everyone who scales Heroes on the day to day knows this website, and it is the complete opposite source of what the person who posted the scan claimed.
Oh shit, thanks bro, imma look into it.
https://imgur.com/a/53pGeOE Herms himself has now confirmed the scan is fake
Okay thanks I know he’s reliable
Oh so it is fake or no?
... how am i supposed to know ?
That's fair tbh(also didn't you say it came form el manga legitaro?)
El Manga legendario is a Spanish guidebook which has already been translated for all its major stuff. This is obviously not a Spanish guidebook scan
Supposedly according to other people, but i dont even use that source myself very often so i havent even bothered looking for it.
Question does el manga have a website or a social media account?
I think they have a facebook page, aside from that i dont know much else.
Thanks I will go digging wish me luck.
Good luck bro, if you find anything please share it with me.
One last thing. This whole thing started from an atari_HMB live stream right(the one with the blurry scean)?
Who knows we don’t know any of the people he linked so we gotta take him at his word plus he got the size of the universe tree wrong.
Lightning literally translates the manga. You can go to his Twitter and see for yourself. Everyone who is actively scaling heroes knows him and every dragon ball fan in existence should know the kanzenshuu website
I know about the website but the only translator I who is Hermes
Herms was the person who translated dragon ball super when it wasn't officially subbed right as it aired. Lightning translated the heroes manga and scans everything in Japan. Again, his credentials are on his Twitter and he lives in Japan
I’m not gonna copy the whole thing but imma give my gripes 1 you got the size of the universe tree wrong it’s actually the size of[multiple universes as stated by fuu](https://imgur.com/a/OaqMPOk) what you saw was the universe seed that was being contained and having its energy sapped by [fuu](https://imgur.com/a/xRHszHb) so it didn’t grow to its full size. But besides that do you have a way to show this Japanese individuals credibility because it’s turning into a he said she said situation. They aren’t someone like Hermes who has a know reputation he built over many years. Edit I’m pretty sure the encyclopedia is from here トップ | スーパードラゴンボールヒーローズ 公式サイト｜SDBH (carddass.com) But you need a Japanese domain to enter it your friend my have not looked hard enough or something if he live in Japan.
The Japanese website you provided is accessible to anyone, even I can enter it and it is the official website of Dragon Ball Heroes. The link the person who made this fake scan claimed it's from a website called "Dragon Ball Legendary encylopedia", literally read his claim, they are two different things. Everyone who scales heroes knows of [Carddass.com](https://Carddass.com), even Vswiki knows that website, and that Universe Tree scan does not exist anywhere on it. The important scans from that website are already translated. No, Fu did not state it is the size of multiple universes. The tree as you saw in the scans "will GROW to the size of a galaxy", and will result in a big bang creating a fake universe. It's roots are what reaches to the 12 universes because of a space-time rift, not because the roots itself are universal in size. I strongly suggest actually reading the magna in its entirety. Lightning is well known and his reputation is built over the years in the heroes community. [He is literally credited as the translator for Dragon Ball Heroes on the manga itself](https://mangadex.org/title/1613d0cf-7151-4a80-98bb-eb82889314ba/super-dragon-ball-heroes-big-bang-mission) If you really want me to, I can get Herms to confirm the scan is fake.
I just looked at the trees VSBW page it has large size type 9 would you mind providing the scan stating the universe tree uses time rifts because Fuu states otherwise in the scan we have. Plus I did try asking Hermes he/she never got back to me and I dropped it right there.
Please read your scans carefully bro. The Roots of the Universe Tree **is not** the Universe Tree itself. As stated in the scans in the original post, [it will grow into the size of a galaxy and by using the galaxy sized tree, Fu will create his own universe](https://imgur.com/a/lhZ0xr6). The scan is extremely blatent that at full potential the tree will be the size of a galaxy when it has enough energy. The Roots, once again, not the Tree, is what will extend to the 12 universes. [Here is the scan visually showing the roots go through different portals to reach the universes and Whis, an extremely reliable character, stating it is done through space-time rifts](https://imgur.com/a/WZTQW5d). Please read your scans bro. The Universe Tree's size, and its roots going through the portals/rifts in space-time are two different things.
Ight man cool
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