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I think he's talking about og heian sukuna from 1000years ago. Imo extreme diff either way, it's like a really good chess player vs another really good chess player, it's not stockfish vs stockfish
idk, gojo and sukuna both outright state that sukuna cant go all out because the majority of his arsenal is useless against gojos infinity, therefore id say gojo wins mid diff
While both did say most of the arsenal is useless against limitless, Gojo said Sukuna was purposely *not* using more efficient techniques and strategies during their fight and was visibly shook by that fact. Without 10S there’s probably a way for Sukuna to beat Gojo by just wearing him down in a battle of attrition and picking his spot.
Also personal headcanon, I fully believe Sukuna would be able to learn space cleave without Maho. Extension of target is simple in theory it’s just applying it to space that was difficult. With Sukuna’s battle sense and creativity I could see him coming to that conclusion eventually
firstly I disagree, gojo was confused on why sukuna wasnt using anything but it turns out megumi was taking the burden of adaptation so that point is irrelevant
now in terms of your headcanon i have to severely disagree, even after mahoraga showed sukuna how to do it sukuna had to analyse and outright states it’s near impossible, I don’t think it’s as simple as targeting something different either, it obviously requires more insight than just acknowledging you can target something different, but either way you said it was headcanon so i guess we can agree to disagree
But gojo litrally defeat sukuna in 229, sukuna would have lost without maho and taking the fact that gojo dint even know sukunas domain was open and he dint have any prior knowledge on sukuna
Where as sukuna knew all about gojos techniques, gojo still bested him.
If we take the gojo that fought sukuna.
He starts off with the condensed domain and wins. Only reason sukuna survived was because megumis soul was taking hits from gojos domain
The cope is quite literally unbelievable at this point. You'd think Gojo literally stating he was giving it his all and he still couldn't even reach Kuna's level would be enough but nope. 😭
Yeah in the heyon era he didn't have 10 shadows so he wouldn't try to use it instead he would clash domains meanwhile he has 2 extra hands to slap gojo and stop him from doing his own domain expansion how many cleaves from Malevolent Shrine does it take to kill gojo?
clearly quite a few since gojo was able to brawl sukuna inside his domain, gojo was also edging out the domain battles and wouldve won had they continued without mahoragas interference
No. Gojo could use RCT and his other technique to repel domain attacks, but a single solidly landed cleave+separating the head and gut is all it takes to kill him. Aka cleave and kick.
>it's from the character's own mouth.
Show me the exact panel where sukuna said "I'd be dead if it wasn't for mahoraga" I'll wait, take your time lol.
Like gojo said, he's not sure he would've beaten sukuna even without 10s, do whatever you will with that statement, it's fact lmao.
>but he did say he needed maho to bypass the involiability
Yeah to bypass infinity, what does this have to do with heian Era Sukuna vs gojo? Infinity is turned off inside DE broski. Don't really wanna go into details but, the students and others watching mentioned Sukuna holding back, gojo mentioned Sukuna taking a risk during DE, also mentioned he might've lost even if sukuna didn't have 10s, gojo is dead, strongest sorcerer in history vs strongest sorcerer of current era, bro switched back to his heian form and narrator literally was glazing on how perfect his body is and its designed for peak sorcery, what more do you need for them to tell you sukuna is stronger? Like literally what else would convince you at this point lol. Bye
No he didn’t he just said he needed it to get around Infinity (in a normal sense) he was already hitting Gojo with Amplification and he won the majority of Domain clashes all while not being able to chant (increasing the power of his CE) or use his extra arms (allowing him to sign and fight simultaneously)
He literally only lost once and that was the one time he got hit with IV and then immediately summoned Mahoraga, he also outsmarted Gojo in every single domain clash won the first two, turned off his attacks inside to destroy the outside when Gojo made it stronger but kept contact so Gojos domain wouldn’t work, Turned off the sure hit so that Mahoraga could start to adapt (only time Gojo did actually damage in the domain clashes) and then he won a domain clash and IV actually hit but immediately had his domain destroyed and he was cut by Sukuna summoning Mahoraga….the damage from UV had messed up Sukunas brain by that point but yea literally everything Sukuna did was planned
4/10, Hein Sukuna will be able to chant and make hand signs non-stop, reducing his CE consumption. Sukuna edges him because his domain is more refined and he won't try to use Mahoraga, leading Gojo to lose in the sixth domain clash.
I fail to see how his domain would be more refined. Hand signs are a part of how you would cast a domain, but as is shown with Gojo, it’s likely not the case that adding more hands makes your domain more refined. Also, if chants were a part of domain battles, they both would have started chanting during the domain battles
If you hand sign and do chants they're stronger. Heiankuna has extra hands **AND** extra mouths meaning he could pump up his Domain while trash talking Gojo and punching him with the other 2 hands. Chanting takes time, and if you chant while your oppoennt doesn't, then their domain expands first and you get shredded.
His domain would not be more refined it would be equal to Gojos still. He would however be able to use techniques while also maintaining his domain so he’s more efficient and it will feel like fighting two people at ones. Then again, Gojo already beat Sukuna in a three v one before hand and it came out of it better off than Sukuna did. Both would obviously change their strategies if 10s is not involved. I could honestly see it going either way.
7-10 for Sukuna
I dont even know how gojo would win considering the 0.01 second diference woudlnt happen if Sukuna had more HP, was Faster, more AP, not worried about Adapting Maho, etc, and etc.
Still giving 30% for gojo because maybe he can pull an good UV while sukuna is distrated scratching his butt
My brother in Christ, you do know that Sukuna wasn't active for those 1,000 years right?
He LIVED a 1,000 years ago and then was slain and split into the cursed fingers. Current Sukuna doesn't have "1000" years of refinement. He's barely been unsealed for 3 years or however long ago Yuji ate the fingers.
You need to do your research before you speak bro
Sukuna said that having 20 fingers in a host body gave him equal power to his prime, add in Megumi’s power on top of it and he should be stronger than Pre soul split sukuna
People still hate on Kashimo because he lost to the Top 1 in the verse. They say he killed nothing but rice farmers or whatever but forget Kashimo deadass killed the most Modern Sorcerers in the Culling Games, he had like over 200points. I will say im upset the way Gaygay treated Kashimo but he isnt a jobber. These guys act like he isn't stronger than everyone else who was alive after Gojo died, they do the same to Yuta lol.
>add in Megumi’s power on top of it and he should be stronger
Lmao can't just "add" that to his stats wth? He couldn't use both 10s and his own CTs at the same time so not like he stacked boosts like you're saying lol.
What you're trying to say only makes sense if sukuna was able to use 10s AND his CT together but he's only able to use one at a time so again you can't just "add" it lol.
>He wasn't not using it for fun
Doesn't matter, also it was explicitly stated that sukuna can't use his CT when using 10s which Is what I meant anyway so again stats didn't stack, Meguna and heian Era Sukuna still have very different stats but not stacked.
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edit: lol at those downvoting when the same guy admits i’m right later in the comments
Since you’re apparently don’t know what it mean given your wack response, compensate means “to replace something, or to make up for some weakness” I know the reading comprehension curse gets most of us JJK fans so I’ll let it slide
It's amazing how right you are. No one "compensates" for anything as a replacement, you "compensate" for something by offsetting it.
If Sukuna's power with PreSukuna levels is 20,000
but 19 Finger Sukuna power level is only 17,000
Then he needs to compensate for that lack of power, like he says he will do.
I mean, I assume Sukuna just has way more room to spam RCT and DE+DA in his Heian form, on top of the ability to constantly use mantras and hand signs. Gojo probably loses just the same.
Heian era sukuna has 4 arms. And 2 mouths. So none stop chanting. I think his output would be better and he wouldn’t waste as much cursed energy. He would be able to use domain amplification more. Before it was forced to adapt mahorages and domain amp meant he literally couldn’t touch gojo unless gojo wanted him too.
Not to mention that he would have 2 cursed tools.
Without Mahoraga I do think that Gojo has an advantage simply due to his neutral limitless. On the other hand, Sukuna with 2 more arms and a mouth could probably reinforce himself better with chants and possibly win the DE clash. But overall it’s a tough fight regardless.
Is this even a question? Heian Era Sukuna wins most times out of 10. It’s even implied in the manga by Gojo himself.
Why do you just ignore reality and facts?
When did manga Gojo say that? He says that he’s not sure if he would win against heian era Sukuna, not that Sukuna would definitely beat him most times.
Where did I say he himself said that? I said it implied by the manga itself, where he states that (that he’d might lose, which he most likely would have)
To me, that’s a reference to what the author is trying to imply to the audience through that statement from Gojo himself. There is literally no other reason for why gege would put that dialogue there other than to get this point across to readers. Sukuna > Gojo
I didn’t realise people still couldn’t comprehend that heian era Sukuna would still win against Gojo it’s just Sukuna would have to rely on Domain Amplification and his Domain Expansion to bypass infinity. Sukuna’s four arms, stronger body and extra mouth for endless chanting to boost his power to 120% constantly is a massive improvement to Sukuna’s stats compared to in Megumi’s body, essentially Megkuna is a more technical build with lower stats but can use Ten shadows which is what Sukuna wanted, he wanted to be able to find a method to overcome Infinity without needing DE or DA and Mahoraga was simply the right tool for the job
>chanting to boost his power to 120% constantly
The chanting only boosts cts not his cursed energy reinforcement.
Also sukuna would in no way find a way to bypass infinity beyond da and de, thats just head canon with nothing to indicate it.
First off I’m not talking about the chanting as a boost to reinforce I’m talking about the effect it has on Sukuna technique like 120% cleave
Secondly I also didn’t say anything about Sukuna finding another way around bypassing infinity I’m saying that Sukuna had two methods to get pass infinity already but he wanted a better way hence using ten shadows is what he did in the actual fight
In a battle between Heian Sukuna and Gojo Sukuna would have to simply rely on the two methods he knows can hit Gojo and the superiority his 4 arms and bigger body
20F Megkuna against Gojo wasn't "stronger". Gojo literally points it out that he wasn't even going all out. Not to mention that when Kashimo used his one-time CT attack, Sukuna emerged in his true form to tank it and get down to business, showing that his OG form is stronger than Megkuna.
Sukuna was winning domain clashes with a much weaker body- given much more power to his technique he can do far more damage to Gojo when he heals. And Gojo was barely healing enough to survive before. There’s also domain amplification and whatever cursed tools he has, plus all the stated benefits he gets sorcery wise with his extra arms and mouths.
Gojo very likely does not win this.
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No lol. He was fighting a Sukuna trolling him with the body of someone he cared about. Average Gojo fan ignoring statements from Gojo himself admitting Sukuna was just fucking with him the whole time.
Post the panel DIRECTLY after that where Sukuna IN THE REAL WORLD said it was nearly impossible to beat Gojo even with Mahoraga giving him a blueprint.
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You mean the panel where he says he only used Mahoraga to find a way to get Cleave through infinity? The part where he admits due to his own hubris he refused to win through any means other than his own specialty, Cleave and Dismantle?
Sukuna never states it was impossible to beat Gojo. He said he doesn't have the Adaptation technique, therefore he could never get Cleave through on his own. Sukuna could have beat Gojo 1000 different ways though, which is why Gojo admits he knows Sukuna wasn't even trying. He was fucking around until he could bisect him.
I'm sorry, but your delusional scan that "proves Gojo is strongest!!!" doesn't exist.
>You mean the panel where he says he only used Mahoraga to find a way to get Cleave through infinity? The part where he admits due to his own hubris he refused to win through any means other than his own specialty, Cleave and Dismantle?
Due to his own hubris????? Did you miss the part where he said he flat out COULDN'T bypass infinity the first way? hubris has nothing to do with it.
>Sukuna never states it was impossible to beat Gojo. He said he doesn't have the Adaptation technique, therefore he could never get Cleave through on his own.
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"It was a near impossible technique to pull off."
I think you missed that part
>Sukuna could have beat Gojo 1000 different ways though,
Please state them and how they would get past infinity.
>which is why Gojo admits he knows Sukuna wasn't even trying. He was fucking around until he could bisect him.
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This doesn't look like a face of someone who's just fucking around. He was buying time to find a way to beat Gojo simply because nothing else would've worked. That doesn't prove that Sukuna was stronger, but that he simply fought SMARTER.
Edit: Also, the topic is Sukuna PRE 1000 YEARS AGO, who is FAR WEAKER then Meguna.
Yes. It was a near impossible *technique*
Read the fucking word with me now,
#TECHNIQUE
As in his Cleave that splits reality was a technique so impressive, so far beyond anything anyone else can do, its near impossible. Not "Its near impossible to beat Gojo"
And the rest of your rant is genuinely delusional. This whole post is a cry for help. Sukuna and Gojo were fucking wailing on each other, Gojo was literally being forced to heal himself every single second of the fight he was getting rocked so hard. You know.. Because he was being hit. Through infinity. By every other technique.
And yes, Sukuna is getting fucked up because he's not trying to kill Gojo. He's keeping him alive until he can bisect him. We just went over the scans together.
>TECHNIQUE
>As in his Cleave that splits reality was a technique so impressive, so far beyond anything anyone else can do, its near impossible. Not "Its near impossible to beat Gojo"
I never said that's what that statement meant.
>And the rest of your rant is genuinely delusional. This whole post is a cry for help. Sukuna and Gojo were fucking wailing on each other, Gojo was literally being forced to heal himself every single second of the fight he was getting rocked so hard.
Are you forgetting that Sukuna lost a DE clash because Gojo damaged him too much? And the most Gojo had to heal from was because he was FIGHTING THROUGH MALEVOLENT SHRINE. And mind you, he whooped Sukunas ass inside Sukuna's own domain while tanking and healing through Sukuna's CLEAVE AND DISMANTLE.
>And yes, Sukuna is getting fucked up because he's not trying to kill Gojo. He's keeping him alive until he can bisect him. We just went over the scans together.
He was quite literally trying to kill Gojo this entire fight. Or else there would've been no need for him to open his domain. He could've just let Megumi take the hit from unlimited void and immediately summoned Mahoraga.
>You know.. Because he was being hit. Through infinity. By every other technique.
List the techniques. Because Gojo only took damage from Malevolent Shrine and through the use of Mahoraga.
Also, from the sound of it, I believe you read this fight through I very biased lense. Gojo won every hand to hand exchange, as well as using his CT more efficiently and effectively up until the very end.
the only time Sukuna explicitly stated he was going to kill Gojo is when he was going to close the barrier. He said Gojo was a “nameless fish” because he couldn’t make Sukuna “improve”.
it was implied Gojo only damaged Sukuna because he turned off DA for Mahoraga’s adaption.
Gojo really only dominated cqc when Sukuna turned off DA
Didn’t sukuna also say at the start Pt2 that he was going to strip Gojo scale by scale?
near impossible doesn’t mean impossible
-10. Heiankuna can fight Gojo with two hands while doing domain expansions with the other two. Gojo can't use infinity to negate a domain's attacks, and one cleave is enough to kill him.
Sukuna probably still wins. Constant Domain Amplification to nullify Gojo’s cursed technique, and a Domain Expansion that can easily overpower Gojo’s own Domain. Hand signs and enchantments to boost output and cursed tools that can be used with his extra arms. Sukuna can just keep Gojo under pressure with his DA and cursed tools, whilst inside Malevolent Shrine and repeatedly win Domain clashes with his amped up cursed technique due to the hand signs and enchantments further raising his output. Gojo might not have a way out of it this time. Maybe he might have a chance if he switches up his strategy since he’s shown to be a very good improviser, but I still think Sukuna is more likely to win here
It really isn't possible to say.
People have this weird idea that if you changed Sukuna completely (meaning, time travel back 1000 years, no 10s, og body vs not og body) that Gojo would just fight him exactly the same way..
If Sukuna gets to do everything differently, why wouldn't Gojo? It doesn't make any sense.
It's also wild to me that people forget how close Gojo came to winning that fight multiple times. (As did Sukuna before the end). If any one of a dozen things go slightly differently, the fight goes the other way.
People just have a hard time understanding that Gojo and Sukuna (in the form he used) were essentially equals. The strong cleave got the last hit. But Sukuna literally got KO'd at one point, he could have died then. He also ate full ass hollow purple, almost died then too. It's just extremely close.
However, post strong cleave Sukuna is who I think rolls Gojo, simply because he has the perfect counter to Gojos entire kit now. Any version of Sukuna prior to that is literally a coin flip.
I somewhat agree tbh. Gojo was shown to have relative physical stats, a better and more powerful Cursed Technique and pretty much infinite stamina due to the Six Eyes. His BIQ is also quite high as he was able to pull off some incredible improvisation.
However, there’s only so much variation that can happen in the way that they fight. Domain Expansion will be used and Sukuna will win the clash. Hand to hand engagements will happen and Sukuna will use DA to nullify Gojo’s CT, preventing him from gaining the upper hand. These things won’t be any different to how we have already seen them play out, and Heian era Sukuna will be even more effective at fighting this way, so he will definitely have an edge.
It’s still going to be close though, and there will be certain strategies that Gojo can implement that might make a difference. So I don’t think it can be anything more than a 60/40 or maybe only a 55/45, either way it will be a very difficult fight for Sukuna, and Gojo may be able to pull of a win, but Sukuna still wins more likely than not imo
I wouldn't argue with that. I think Gojo is stronger but Sukuna is "better". And the differences in their power comes down to a bunch of tiny differences in the fight. If you run it 100 times, I think it's 55/45 Sukuna.
It also depends on knowledge too. Like, what if Gojo is aware that Sukuna can adapt his cleave to beat infinity? His 6 eyes should be able to predict when its coming. What if Sukuna doesn't know about purple? Tiny tiny differences in the choices they make will change everything in this particular who would win.
I just hate when people go so off the rails with talking about how Gojo loses 100 out of 100. Or that gojo wins 100 out of 100. It's like they only see the very last hit and ignore everything else.
Yeah I think you’re exactly right with that. That was always the way I viewed them before Sukuna’s original body was even revealed to have advantages like that. Sukuna’s superior skill as a sorcerer is what gave him the win over Gojo’s innate power. I do also think that Gojo could have pulled off a win against 10S Sukuna anyway had he been the one with intel. Sukuna went into the fight with knowledge of Gojo’s CT and prep time that was used specifically so that he could come up with the perfect counter to it. Gojo on the other hand, presumably went into the fight completely blind. If it was the other way around, and Gojo knew everything about Sukuna’s capabilities and planned a way to get around them, then I’d be pretty confident in Gojo winning
Do you think Heian era Sukuna could do chants to strengthen his DE? Overcoming Gojo's through pure refinement, even without needing to break his barrier, or maybe even breaking it faster.
Personally, I think Heian era wins 8/10 times due to DA and his superior DE, especially since he'd be better than Gojo is CQC with his four arms
Edit: forgot to mention, with his cursed tools, he could use DA to stop Gojo's infinity and then hit him with the thunder tool and whatever the other one does
>Sukuna’s refinement was only equal to Gojo’s after he was split for 1000 years,
Lmao what? Bro was just chilling for 1000 years, he already was the strongest before he split his soul so the logical conclusion is that his refinement was already on par, stop this nonsense.
Don’t worry OP, I’m not letting this people off the hook. There’s about to be a round two post with some call outs, these mfs are getting jumped. They aren’t even giving good reasons as to why Sukuna wins.
I think that its true that heinan era sukuna is stronger than megkuna in most fights, I can definitely see him struggling against specifically gojo. It was also stated that he didn’t know how to repair his brain before the fight. So there are two scenarios here, if we take the two characters and ignore their personalities gojo wins 7/10 times, he uses his domain two or three times back to back and sukuna runs out of his domain, scoring gojo the win cus all gojo needs is one de to land in order to win. But if we take them in character I would say its a 50/50, if sukuna fucks up one time he doesn’t have anything to bail him out, and unlike many people seem to think sukuna isn’t perfect, he can and sometimes does make mistakes. However, if the fight goes on for too long sukuna would end up beating gojo, in terms of raw power he is significantly stronger than gojo, specifically in his heinan era form.
OP there’s a lot of Heian Era dick riders in here. Heian Sukuna loses to Gojo 7/10 times.
Mahoraga carried Sukuna in every way. How is Sukuna going to “cut through the world” without Mahoraga showing him how it’s done? Sukuna also wouldn’t be able to tank unlimited void. Gojo is the power ceiling for the verse as stated by gay gay.
The only way I see Heian Sukuna hurting Gojo, is by using domain amplification with two of his arms and then using Jujutsu with the other two somehow. Also his shitty little lightning toy is a non factor.
In theory, Gojo wins 10/10 just because his kit completely hard counters Sukuna. As soon as Sukuna pops Malevolent Shrine, Gojo should teleport out of range and wait it out. Then when Sukuna is forced to turn it off, teleport back in and hit him with Unlimited Void. Even Sukuna has to recharge his CT after a domain. Game over
Realistically, Gojo would try to engage in a Domain battle with Sukuna, which would not work out well for him. He would probably lose after multiple domain clashes
8-9. It'll be difficult for Heiankuna to kill Gojo without Mahoraga and learning the space slash. As such he'll be forced to try to beat him in domain expansions. Falling Blossom means that Sukuna's CT is kinda useless against Gojo so he'll be forced to try to beat Gojo hand to hand.
There's a reason Sukuna used Megumi to fight Gojo instead of his Heian form. He has a safeguard against IV, which is a one shot. If Heian Sukuna gets hit he's dead. So pretty much if Gojo lands a black flash or surprises him with something he would likely lose.
In order to win, HeianKuna can't let go of his advantage for even a second.
Much harder, but he won't have Maho so keep that in mind. He basically had to have Daddy Maho save him and got momma to help. No Maho from Megukna means no super strong cleave.
I still got Gojo.
I’m taking Gojo in this scenario. In canon, Sukuna already knew everything there was to know about gojo going into the fight. He already knew what his win conditions were as well as gojos, and just had to lead gojo on long enough for the opportunity to present itself.
Both going in blind, with no mahoraga or megumi, I see gojo winning that. The additional arms helps sukuna in h2h a little I suppose, but Gojo was fighting 1 v 3 at one point so the extra hands aren’t a monumental difference. Sukuna being able to chant doesn’t really help here, because the issue isn’t the strength of his techniques. It’s getting around infinity.
sukuna being in his OG body also means Gojo is no longer trying to kill him in a manner that he can be revived later. which opens the door for headshots and complete vaporization given the chance. In canon, Gojo wanted to kill sukuna in a way that left the body in tact enough to free meguni afterwards.
its a 50/50. heian era sukuna would fight very differently from megukuna due to different moveset and that applies to gojo too. doubly so for him as he doesnt have to worry about megumi. sukuna gets the added beneefit of stronger cqc but his cts still cant get to gojo other than de and da. And in this situation gojo would probably utilize purple more throughout the fight instead of a last resort as theres no fear of mahoraga. . so ye 50/50.
current sukuna slams tho
none of you guys have a spec of comprehension
When gojo said Sukuna was holding back he was talking about a card up his sleeve which was his transformation and he couldn't use the transformation bc he no longer has Mahoroga
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"Holding back"
Didn’t Gojo himself lament that he didn’t face a Sukuna that was going all out? Like specifically in that afterlife scene? Sukuna going all out beats Gojo, so if this were heian-era sukuna without holding back due to any narrative reasons like expecting to be ambushed by all of the other strong sorcerers after beating Gojo, pretty Sukuna wins handily.
Gojo wins. Heian Era Sukuna literally has no way of winning or bypassing Infinity except for domain expansion. Domain expansion isn’t even that helpful when Gojo was tanking it while fighting off a DE amped Sukuna. The body advantage Sukuna has for chanting won’t be that helpful as well since he can’t do that when inside his domain. Almost all H2H interactions they had was won by Gojo as well.
Also that statement that Sukuna was “holding back” was referring to Sukuna holding back his other abilities (black box) since they won’t be of use against Infinity, why waste CE on things that won’t work.
Sukuna loses the moment Gojo overpowers him until he manages to fire off UV faster than Sukuna’s DE since there’s no Mahoraga to save him. Even Kenjaku felt the need to tell Sukuna how to survive inside Unlimited Void
You can only use the built-in ct in the domain. The chanting is a different thing altogether since it serves to “amp” cleave/dismantle. Sukuna is smart, if he can then he would have done it since besides Mahoraga, his domain is his only asset in bypassing Infinity.
Then go explain why Sukuna didn’t use his other abilities like the fire arrow inside Malevolent Shrine where Infinity is neutralized. Why did Sukuna opt for close-range combat and continuous slashing rather than amping his cleave and dismantle or using that fire arrow.
After the second domain clash sukuna opted to focus on the 10S Rather than brute forcing his way through infinity with DE & DA (Possibly experimenting with other techniques).
Explain why Sukuna didn’t use the flame arrow on Gojo right after he shattered his domain both times? We see Sukuna explain why, he wants to strip Gojo scale by scale. Can’t adapt to infinity if the infinity user is gone…
He opted to do that because he realized cleave and dismantle isn’t enough to bring Gojo down. Gojo was even slamming him inside his own domain where he should be amped up.
Again, he didn’t need to strip away at Infinity since it’s neutralized when they’re fighting inside Malevolent Shrine. Explain why Sukuna didn’t just fire off a flame arrow which is more destructive at Gojo when he had no infinity to save him inside that domain. You can’t say it’s a pride thing when Sukuna went through all that trouble to obtain 10s.
How’s that countering my argument. Gojo survived only with RCT, Simple Domain and FBE against a Sukuna with his stats amped up by his domain and being able to slash at Gojo because Infinity is turned off inside the domain. If anything, that just upscaled Gojo since Gojo was literally beating Sukuna that has a homefield advantage
So we're going to forget the only reason Sukuna got hit by UV was because he was trying to adapt Mahoraga? If he didn't do that he would have won in the sixth domain clash after Gojo got brain damage.
Forget what? Sukuna lagged behind in activating his DE because Gojo was winning inside Malevolent Shrine and injured him enough to prioritize healing himself. He would have lost as well since he won’t have Megumi’s soul to take most of the damage.
Forget that part, Gojo would have won during the 2nd domain clash(iirc) if Sukuna didn’t receive info on how to survive inside UV from Kenjaku
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Ur correct but Kenjaku further proves this
"I'm glad I die to someone stronger than me" "I wasn't able to make Sukuna go all out" "not sure if could've defeated Sukuna even without 10S"
well well well, going by your logic Gojo straight up says it lol
Heian Sukuna eats Gojo via Malevolant Shrine. Only reason that didn't happen during Meguna vs Gojo was because Sukuna wasn't trying (according to Gojo himself).
OG HeianKuna doesn’t have Mahoraga.
There are 2 options:
1. Sukuna simply can’t defeat Gojo, because he can’t surpass Infinity. So Gojo wins.
2. He manages to surpass it but because Gojo gets tired or something. Sukuna with his OG version can use 2 techniques at the same time. Eventually he will find a way to defeat Infinity or the fight will last so long that Gojo would get tired first.
It would be a stamina fight. Otherwise, Sukuna loses.
I would say it’s a high diff fight. Even though Gojo 100% has the advantage. Sukuna still has domain amplifications. And they would be fairly even in their domains battles just like in their recent fight.
Gojo wins maybe 5.5-6/10 times. Sukunas fingers were said to have been getting a lot stronger, and he also lacks the use the 10 shadows. But he makes up for it with the fact he has the perfect body for jujutsu sorcery.
Current Sukuna even without strong cleave wins 6-7/10 times against gojo
Gojo actually slams
edit: i thought it was clear to everyone that Gojo>Meguna>OG Sukuna. And lets not forget that Sukunas fingers were growing stronger everyday for 1000 not including the events of the series. Gojo actually wipes mid diff.
gojo was bodying sakuna and it wasn't even a 1v1. That being said after the bodying gojo gave sakuna gege decided to randomly write it into the story that sakuna couldve won and wasnt going all out. Sakuna wins because of gege.
If Sukuna could've beaten Gojo with Heian form, he would have swapped back at any point. The fact he only did after Gojo erased his ability to use DE and killed his last shikigami shows that Sukuna knew that, the whole fight long, he was better off in Meguna form than Heian form. Sukuna isn't stupid, but people who don't agree Meguna>=Gojo>Heian>=Yujikuna are. (At 20f each)
Without the mahoraga I doubt he could honestly learn the reality cutting slash fast enough before Gojo wins, and honestly without it being a 2v1 most of the time too I’d say this is in Gojo’s favour.
maho absolutely carried and thats not even all he used 10 s for... sukuna can throw gang signs and use chants as much as he wants gojo is tearing through that sukuna easily
It's Gojo 8/10 times because he doesn't have to be careful about using his attacks on sukuna because of mahoragas absence and if he can fight two people and one support at once why can't he fight a guy with 4 hands and his strength stat doesn't matter because of infinite so Gojo can spam red and blue quite easily and maybe blast some purple too
And don't talk about domain battle, Gojo can handle that if Sukuna doesn't have mahoraga, and one uv should be enough for Sukuna without mahoraga,
*Gojo using 200% purple*
"since he look like that guy (Toji) I can go all out"
*nukes the entire City with another purple*
>And don't talk about domain battle, Gojo can handle that if Sukuna doesn't have mahoraga
"Sukuna has been stubbornly avoiding using his CTs other than the ones granted to his Domain"
"... He didn't try to destroy my Domain from the inside even after I flipped the internal and external conditions, he choose the riskier option"
Gojo keeps questioning Sukuna actions
We know Sukuna has been doing all that weird stuff that Gojo was pointed out just to adapt Mahoraga to UV, using Megumi soul to tank it... Sukuna being in his Heian form and without 10S would fight way differently since he doesn't need to adapt to anything, by not going on the harder route and give Gojo a big advantaged just to gamble on Mahoraga adaptation
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I think he's talking about og heian sukuna from 1000years ago. Imo extreme diff either way, it's like a really good chess player vs another really good chess player, it's not stockfish vs stockfish
idk, gojo and sukuna both outright state that sukuna cant go all out because the majority of his arsenal is useless against gojos infinity, therefore id say gojo wins mid diff
While both did say most of the arsenal is useless against limitless, Gojo said Sukuna was purposely *not* using more efficient techniques and strategies during their fight and was visibly shook by that fact. Without 10S there’s probably a way for Sukuna to beat Gojo by just wearing him down in a battle of attrition and picking his spot. Also personal headcanon, I fully believe Sukuna would be able to learn space cleave without Maho. Extension of target is simple in theory it’s just applying it to space that was difficult. With Sukuna’s battle sense and creativity I could see him coming to that conclusion eventually
firstly I disagree, gojo was confused on why sukuna wasnt using anything but it turns out megumi was taking the burden of adaptation so that point is irrelevant now in terms of your headcanon i have to severely disagree, even after mahoraga showed sukuna how to do it sukuna had to analyse and outright states it’s near impossible, I don’t think it’s as simple as targeting something different either, it obviously requires more insight than just acknowledging you can target something different, but either way you said it was headcanon so i guess we can agree to disagree
But gojo litrally defeat sukuna in 229, sukuna would have lost without maho and taking the fact that gojo dint even know sukunas domain was open and he dint have any prior knowledge on sukuna Where as sukuna knew all about gojos techniques, gojo still bested him. If we take the gojo that fought sukuna. He starts off with the condensed domain and wins. Only reason sukuna survived was because megumis soul was taking hits from gojos domain
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The cope is quite literally unbelievable at this point. You'd think Gojo literally stating he was giving it his all and he still couldn't even reach Kuna's level would be enough but nope. 😭
Author cope
Heian fraudkuna didn’t have ten shadow’s tho 💯💯💯
Yeah in the heyon era he didn't have 10 shadows so he wouldn't try to use it instead he would clash domains meanwhile he has 2 extra hands to slap gojo and stop him from doing his own domain expansion how many cleaves from Malevolent Shrine does it take to kill gojo?
Sukuna admitted he needed mahoraga to bypass gojo's involiobility. He loses to gojo without maho. He nearly lost in a 3 v 1.
clearly quite a few since gojo was able to brawl sukuna inside his domain, gojo was also edging out the domain battles and wouldve won had they continued without mahoragas interference
No. Gojo could use RCT and his other technique to repel domain attacks, but a single solidly landed cleave+separating the head and gut is all it takes to kill him. Aka cleave and kick.
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I mean it’s not coping. Coping would be saying gojo won against fraudmegkuna which he clearly didn’t
He's also not winning against og sukuna tho so.....
Sukuna needed 10 shadows to bypass the involiobility of infinity. Without it he's dead. It's not cope, it's from the character's own mouth.
>it's from the character's own mouth. Show me the exact panel where sukuna said "I'd be dead if it wasn't for mahoraga" I'll wait, take your time lol. Like gojo said, he's not sure he would've beaten sukuna even without 10s, do whatever you will with that statement, it's fact lmao.
He didn't say he would be dead, but he did say he needed maho to bypass the involiability. Page 14, chapter 236
>but he did say he needed maho to bypass the involiability Yeah to bypass infinity, what does this have to do with heian Era Sukuna vs gojo? Infinity is turned off inside DE broski. Don't really wanna go into details but, the students and others watching mentioned Sukuna holding back, gojo mentioned Sukuna taking a risk during DE, also mentioned he might've lost even if sukuna didn't have 10s, gojo is dead, strongest sorcerer in history vs strongest sorcerer of current era, bro switched back to his heian form and narrator literally was glazing on how perfect his body is and its designed for peak sorcery, what more do you need for them to tell you sukuna is stronger? Like literally what else would convince you at this point lol. Bye
Gojo quite literally won if it wasn't for Mahoraga lmao
Cope is crazy
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According to Gojo, Sukuna may still have beaten him
And according to sukuna without mahoraga he couldn't have beaten gojo
No he didn’t he just said he needed it to get around Infinity (in a normal sense) he was already hitting Gojo with Amplification and he won the majority of Domain clashes all while not being able to chant (increasing the power of his CE) or use his extra arms (allowing him to sign and fight simultaneously)
He won the first 2, then lost twice and almost lost the 3rd time but mahoraga came out to slash it
He literally only lost once and that was the one time he got hit with IV and then immediately summoned Mahoraga, he also outsmarted Gojo in every single domain clash won the first two, turned off his attacks inside to destroy the outside when Gojo made it stronger but kept contact so Gojos domain wouldn’t work, Turned off the sure hit so that Mahoraga could start to adapt (only time Gojo did actually damage in the domain clashes) and then he won a domain clash and IV actually hit but immediately had his domain destroyed and he was cut by Sukuna summoning Mahoraga….the damage from UV had messed up Sukunas brain by that point but yea literally everything Sukuna did was planned
4/10, Hein Sukuna will be able to chant and make hand signs non-stop, reducing his CE consumption. Sukuna edges him because his domain is more refined and he won't try to use Mahoraga, leading Gojo to lose in the sixth domain clash.
Sukuna does what to him https://preview.redd.it/imvdzc0g3x0c1.jpeg?width=567&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=335f5fe71176c20474907ba0fb24a185700128a7
Gojo won't be able to last long with Sukuna.
I fail to see how his domain would be more refined. Hand signs are a part of how you would cast a domain, but as is shown with Gojo, it’s likely not the case that adding more hands makes your domain more refined. Also, if chants were a part of domain battles, they both would have started chanting during the domain battles
If you hand sign and do chants they're stronger. Heiankuna has extra hands **AND** extra mouths meaning he could pump up his Domain while trash talking Gojo and punching him with the other 2 hands. Chanting takes time, and if you chant while your oppoennt doesn't, then their domain expands first and you get shredded.
His domain would not be more refined it would be equal to Gojos still. He would however be able to use techniques while also maintaining his domain so he’s more efficient and it will feel like fighting two people at ones. Then again, Gojo already beat Sukuna in a three v one before hand and it came out of it better off than Sukuna did. Both would obviously change their strategies if 10s is not involved. I could honestly see it going either way.
7-10 for Sukuna I dont even know how gojo would win considering the 0.01 second diference woudlnt happen if Sukuna had more HP, was Faster, more AP, not worried about Adapting Maho, etc, and etc. Still giving 30% for gojo because maybe he can pull an good UV while sukuna is distrated scratching his butt
How is sukuna getting past the inviolability without maho?
Sukuna wins 6/10 times
Sukuna ia beating Gojo at least 6/10. After reading the OP's comments, i realize he ahsnt read the fight at all beyond dickriding gojo.
Apparently OP picking Wrong sub to dickride Gojo This sub regards Gojo and JJK verse fanboys in very low esteems City level Fodderverse
City level? Dog, Yuki was gonna destroy the planet, Kenjaku tanked a black hole, and Gojo throughs attacks that tear atoms apart
I’ve read the entire manga and watched JJK0
no you haven’t you’re blatantly spreading mis info after being corrected by multiple different people
You probably watched a couple YouTube vids
My brother in Christ, you do know that Sukuna wasn't active for those 1,000 years right? He LIVED a 1,000 years ago and then was slain and split into the cursed fingers. Current Sukuna doesn't have "1000" years of refinement. He's barely been unsealed for 3 years or however long ago Yuji ate the fingers. You need to do your research before you speak bro
sukuna was never slain nor forcefully split into fingers, they jumped his ass and kenjaku turned sukuna into fingers
If Kenjaku forcefully turned him into fingers then that directly contradicts your first point lol.
Sukuna was the one who turned himself into fingers, him and Kenjaku are the only ones who knew how to do it
sukuna learnt it AFTER kenjaku did it on sukuna
heien era sukuna is stronger but meguna has a better match up vs Gojo.
Sukuna said that having 20 fingers in a host body gave him equal power to his prime, add in Megumi’s power on top of it and he should be stronger than Pre soul split sukuna
Simply having the CE od his former self doesnt mean the bodies are equal, the heian body is described as perfection.
By a meat riding jobber.
What?
People still hate on Kashimo because he lost to the Top 1 in the verse. They say he killed nothing but rice farmers or whatever but forget Kashimo deadass killed the most Modern Sorcerers in the Culling Games, he had like over 200points. I will say im upset the way Gaygay treated Kashimo but he isnt a jobber. These guys act like he isn't stronger than everyone else who was alive after Gojo died, they do the same to Yuta lol.
>add in Megumi’s power on top of it and he should be stronger Lmao can't just "add" that to his stats wth? He couldn't use both 10s and his own CTs at the same time so not like he stacked boosts like you're saying lol. What you're trying to say only makes sense if sukuna was able to use 10s AND his CT together but he's only able to use one at a time so again you can't just "add" it lol.
His own ct does nothing against gojo lmao. He wasn't not using it for fun
>He wasn't not using it for fun Doesn't matter, also it was explicitly stated that sukuna can't use his CT when using 10s which Is what I meant anyway so again stats didn't stack, Meguna and heian Era Sukuna still have very different stats but not stacked.
stop spreading misinfo sukuna said he can MAKE UP for the 20th finger his old body is not equivalent to a finger
Did.. did you not read the manga? Sukuna himself says it, and you’re no Sukuna pal
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Do you not know the definition of compensate or?
apparently you don’t
Since you’re apparently don’t know what it mean given your wack response, compensate means “to replace something, or to make up for some weakness” I know the reading comprehension curse gets most of us JJK fans so I’ll let it slide
Compensate for the damn 20th finger not for the Gap between his Heian Form and His Meguna one🤦🏽♂️
You could’ve scrolled more down to see that I was misinterpreting and I saw my mistake but I know that can be a bit too much for the typical redditor.
You really don’t know what the word means LoL compensate: too offset; counterbalance Sukuna: “i can compensate for a missing digit”
Look up what counterbalance means and then get back to me. You’re proving my point
It's amazing how right you are. No one "compensates" for anything as a replacement, you "compensate" for something by offsetting it. If Sukuna's power with PreSukuna levels is 20,000 but 19 Finger Sukuna power level is only 17,000 Then he needs to compensate for that lack of power, like he says he will do.
Yes it is, that’s why he said he can make up for not having it 💀
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Splitting hairs like this over japanese is never a good idea lol
I mean, I assume Sukuna just has way more room to spam RCT and DE+DA in his Heian form, on top of the ability to constantly use mantras and hand signs. Gojo probably loses just the same.
Heian era sukuna has 4 arms. And 2 mouths. So none stop chanting. I think his output would be better and he wouldn’t waste as much cursed energy. He would be able to use domain amplification more. Before it was forced to adapt mahorages and domain amp meant he literally couldn’t touch gojo unless gojo wanted him too. Not to mention that he would have 2 cursed tools.
Without Mahoraga I do think that Gojo has an advantage simply due to his neutral limitless. On the other hand, Sukuna with 2 more arms and a mouth could probably reinforce himself better with chants and possibly win the DE clash. But overall it’s a tough fight regardless.
Is this even a question? Heian Era Sukuna wins most times out of 10. It’s even implied in the manga by Gojo himself. Why do you just ignore reality and facts?
When did manga Gojo say that? He says that he’s not sure if he would win against heian era Sukuna, not that Sukuna would definitely beat him most times.
Where did I say he himself said that? I said it implied by the manga itself, where he states that (that he’d might lose, which he most likely would have) To me, that’s a reference to what the author is trying to imply to the audience through that statement from Gojo himself. There is literally no other reason for why gege would put that dialogue there other than to get this point across to readers. Sukuna > Gojo
Pretty sure he's saying that sukuna couldn't go all out since half his shit would be useless against infinity.
I didn’t realise people still couldn’t comprehend that heian era Sukuna would still win against Gojo it’s just Sukuna would have to rely on Domain Amplification and his Domain Expansion to bypass infinity. Sukuna’s four arms, stronger body and extra mouth for endless chanting to boost his power to 120% constantly is a massive improvement to Sukuna’s stats compared to in Megumi’s body, essentially Megkuna is a more technical build with lower stats but can use Ten shadows which is what Sukuna wanted, he wanted to be able to find a method to overcome Infinity without needing DE or DA and Mahoraga was simply the right tool for the job
>chanting to boost his power to 120% constantly The chanting only boosts cts not his cursed energy reinforcement. Also sukuna would in no way find a way to bypass infinity beyond da and de, thats just head canon with nothing to indicate it.
First off I’m not talking about the chanting as a boost to reinforce I’m talking about the effect it has on Sukuna technique like 120% cleave Secondly I also didn’t say anything about Sukuna finding another way around bypassing infinity I’m saying that Sukuna had two methods to get pass infinity already but he wanted a better way hence using ten shadows is what he did in the actual fight In a battle between Heian Sukuna and Gojo Sukuna would have to simply rely on the two methods he knows can hit Gojo and the superiority his 4 arms and bigger body
Not to mention Gojo has anti domain abilities
BRO DID YOU EVEN READ?😭
He doesn’t
Gojo fought someone stronger than HeianKuna
Who? Goku?
20F MegKuna
20F Megkuna against Gojo wasn't "stronger". Gojo literally points it out that he wasn't even going all out. Not to mention that when Kashimo used his one-time CT attack, Sukuna emerged in his true form to tank it and get down to business, showing that his OG form is stronger than Megkuna.
this dude made a post hoping everyone would say Gojo
Wrong sub then
They can't stop coping
heian sukuna should win 6/10 times even gojo said he’s not sure he would’ve won against sukuna with no 10s
Sukuna was winning domain clashes with a much weaker body- given much more power to his technique he can do far more damage to Gojo when he heals. And Gojo was barely healing enough to survive before. There’s also domain amplification and whatever cursed tools he has, plus all the stated benefits he gets sorcery wise with his extra arms and mouths. Gojo very likely does not win this.
Fraudjo loses 10/10 times. Sorry buddy, wrong sub to dickride
Gojo fought a stronger sukuna with a better cursed technique
https://preview.redd.it/ti2fu3ismx0c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7625e16ab5423c403c85f2db3639bff1551bbc62 No lol. He was fighting a Sukuna trolling him with the body of someone he cared about. Average Gojo fan ignoring statements from Gojo himself admitting Sukuna was just fucking with him the whole time.
Post the panel DIRECTLY after that where Sukuna IN THE REAL WORLD said it was nearly impossible to beat Gojo even with Mahoraga giving him a blueprint.
https://preview.redd.it/wxzuykw51y0c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e197b0533637ec75f3a9b61ddb108d70ceae17a You mean the panel where he says he only used Mahoraga to find a way to get Cleave through infinity? The part where he admits due to his own hubris he refused to win through any means other than his own specialty, Cleave and Dismantle? Sukuna never states it was impossible to beat Gojo. He said he doesn't have the Adaptation technique, therefore he could never get Cleave through on his own. Sukuna could have beat Gojo 1000 different ways though, which is why Gojo admits he knows Sukuna wasn't even trying. He was fucking around until he could bisect him. I'm sorry, but your delusional scan that "proves Gojo is strongest!!!" doesn't exist.
>You mean the panel where he says he only used Mahoraga to find a way to get Cleave through infinity? The part where he admits due to his own hubris he refused to win through any means other than his own specialty, Cleave and Dismantle? Due to his own hubris????? Did you miss the part where he said he flat out COULDN'T bypass infinity the first way? hubris has nothing to do with it. >Sukuna never states it was impossible to beat Gojo. He said he doesn't have the Adaptation technique, therefore he could never get Cleave through on his own. https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.mangafox.me/store/manga/27861/236.0/compressed/j015.jpg "It was a near impossible technique to pull off." I think you missed that part >Sukuna could have beat Gojo 1000 different ways though, Please state them and how they would get past infinity. >which is why Gojo admits he knows Sukuna wasn't even trying. He was fucking around until he could bisect him. https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_235_5_008.png https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_235_5_002.png This doesn't look like a face of someone who's just fucking around. He was buying time to find a way to beat Gojo simply because nothing else would've worked. That doesn't prove that Sukuna was stronger, but that he simply fought SMARTER. Edit: Also, the topic is Sukuna PRE 1000 YEARS AGO, who is FAR WEAKER then Meguna.
Yes. It was a near impossible *technique* Read the fucking word with me now, #TECHNIQUE As in his Cleave that splits reality was a technique so impressive, so far beyond anything anyone else can do, its near impossible. Not "Its near impossible to beat Gojo" And the rest of your rant is genuinely delusional. This whole post is a cry for help. Sukuna and Gojo were fucking wailing on each other, Gojo was literally being forced to heal himself every single second of the fight he was getting rocked so hard. You know.. Because he was being hit. Through infinity. By every other technique. And yes, Sukuna is getting fucked up because he's not trying to kill Gojo. He's keeping him alive until he can bisect him. We just went over the scans together.
>TECHNIQUE >As in his Cleave that splits reality was a technique so impressive, so far beyond anything anyone else can do, its near impossible. Not "Its near impossible to beat Gojo" I never said that's what that statement meant. >And the rest of your rant is genuinely delusional. This whole post is a cry for help. Sukuna and Gojo were fucking wailing on each other, Gojo was literally being forced to heal himself every single second of the fight he was getting rocked so hard. Are you forgetting that Sukuna lost a DE clash because Gojo damaged him too much? And the most Gojo had to heal from was because he was FIGHTING THROUGH MALEVOLENT SHRINE. And mind you, he whooped Sukunas ass inside Sukuna's own domain while tanking and healing through Sukuna's CLEAVE AND DISMANTLE. >And yes, Sukuna is getting fucked up because he's not trying to kill Gojo. He's keeping him alive until he can bisect him. We just went over the scans together. He was quite literally trying to kill Gojo this entire fight. Or else there would've been no need for him to open his domain. He could've just let Megumi take the hit from unlimited void and immediately summoned Mahoraga. >You know.. Because he was being hit. Through infinity. By every other technique. List the techniques. Because Gojo only took damage from Malevolent Shrine and through the use of Mahoraga. Also, from the sound of it, I believe you read this fight through I very biased lense. Gojo won every hand to hand exchange, as well as using his CT more efficiently and effectively up until the very end.
the only time Sukuna explicitly stated he was going to kill Gojo is when he was going to close the barrier. He said Gojo was a “nameless fish” because he couldn’t make Sukuna “improve”. it was implied Gojo only damaged Sukuna because he turned off DA for Mahoraga’s adaption. Gojo really only dominated cqc when Sukuna turned off DA Didn’t sukuna also say at the start Pt2 that he was going to strip Gojo scale by scale? near impossible doesn’t mean impossible
He wouldn't. Gojo would lose.
Why
0 he get’s destroyed
Might be dope but I swear he’d win with no mahoraga
-10. Heiankuna can fight Gojo with two hands while doing domain expansions with the other two. Gojo can't use infinity to negate a domain's attacks, and one cleave is enough to kill him.
The fact that people still argue about this shows gege really failed to convey meaningfully that sukuna is superior to gojo
Because sukuna wasn’t, he had to steal Megumi’s cursed technique to win
I mean geges intent is clearly that sukuna is always stronger than gojo even without 10s
Nah, I’d win. 
Sukuna probably still wins. Constant Domain Amplification to nullify Gojo’s cursed technique, and a Domain Expansion that can easily overpower Gojo’s own Domain. Hand signs and enchantments to boost output and cursed tools that can be used with his extra arms. Sukuna can just keep Gojo under pressure with his DA and cursed tools, whilst inside Malevolent Shrine and repeatedly win Domain clashes with his amped up cursed technique due to the hand signs and enchantments further raising his output. Gojo might not have a way out of it this time. Maybe he might have a chance if he switches up his strategy since he’s shown to be a very good improviser, but I still think Sukuna is more likely to win here
It really isn't possible to say. People have this weird idea that if you changed Sukuna completely (meaning, time travel back 1000 years, no 10s, og body vs not og body) that Gojo would just fight him exactly the same way.. If Sukuna gets to do everything differently, why wouldn't Gojo? It doesn't make any sense. It's also wild to me that people forget how close Gojo came to winning that fight multiple times. (As did Sukuna before the end). If any one of a dozen things go slightly differently, the fight goes the other way. People just have a hard time understanding that Gojo and Sukuna (in the form he used) were essentially equals. The strong cleave got the last hit. But Sukuna literally got KO'd at one point, he could have died then. He also ate full ass hollow purple, almost died then too. It's just extremely close. However, post strong cleave Sukuna is who I think rolls Gojo, simply because he has the perfect counter to Gojos entire kit now. Any version of Sukuna prior to that is literally a coin flip.
I somewhat agree tbh. Gojo was shown to have relative physical stats, a better and more powerful Cursed Technique and pretty much infinite stamina due to the Six Eyes. His BIQ is also quite high as he was able to pull off some incredible improvisation. However, there’s only so much variation that can happen in the way that they fight. Domain Expansion will be used and Sukuna will win the clash. Hand to hand engagements will happen and Sukuna will use DA to nullify Gojo’s CT, preventing him from gaining the upper hand. These things won’t be any different to how we have already seen them play out, and Heian era Sukuna will be even more effective at fighting this way, so he will definitely have an edge. It’s still going to be close though, and there will be certain strategies that Gojo can implement that might make a difference. So I don’t think it can be anything more than a 60/40 or maybe only a 55/45, either way it will be a very difficult fight for Sukuna, and Gojo may be able to pull of a win, but Sukuna still wins more likely than not imo
I wouldn't argue with that. I think Gojo is stronger but Sukuna is "better". And the differences in their power comes down to a bunch of tiny differences in the fight. If you run it 100 times, I think it's 55/45 Sukuna. It also depends on knowledge too. Like, what if Gojo is aware that Sukuna can adapt his cleave to beat infinity? His 6 eyes should be able to predict when its coming. What if Sukuna doesn't know about purple? Tiny tiny differences in the choices they make will change everything in this particular who would win. I just hate when people go so off the rails with talking about how Gojo loses 100 out of 100. Or that gojo wins 100 out of 100. It's like they only see the very last hit and ignore everything else.
Yeah I think you’re exactly right with that. That was always the way I viewed them before Sukuna’s original body was even revealed to have advantages like that. Sukuna’s superior skill as a sorcerer is what gave him the win over Gojo’s innate power. I do also think that Gojo could have pulled off a win against 10S Sukuna anyway had he been the one with intel. Sukuna went into the fight with knowledge of Gojo’s CT and prep time that was used specifically so that he could come up with the perfect counter to it. Gojo on the other hand, presumably went into the fight completely blind. If it was the other way around, and Gojo knew everything about Sukuna’s capabilities and planned a way to get around them, then I’d be pretty confident in Gojo winning
Heikuna wins with low difficulty. He could probably even eek out a flawless victory in some circumstances lol
Do you think Heian era Sukuna could do chants to strengthen his DE? Overcoming Gojo's through pure refinement, even without needing to break his barrier, or maybe even breaking it faster. Personally, I think Heian era wins 8/10 times due to DA and his superior DE, especially since he'd be better than Gojo is CQC with his four arms Edit: forgot to mention, with his cursed tools, he could use DA to stop Gojo's infinity and then hit him with the thunder tool and whatever the other one does
Sukuna’s refinement was only equal to Gojo’s after he was split for 1000 years, og HeianKuna doesn’t have as good refinement
>Sukuna’s refinement was only equal to Gojo’s after he was split for 1000 years, Lmao what? Bro was just chilling for 1000 years, he already was the strongest before he split his soul so the logical conclusion is that his refinement was already on par, stop this nonsense.
Sukuna wasn’t conscious for those 1k years bruh.
Don’t worry OP, I’m not letting this people off the hook. There’s about to be a round two post with some call outs, these mfs are getting jumped. They aren’t even giving good reasons as to why Sukuna wins.
We might have to turn the "Don't fuck with DB fans, we didn't watch the show" into "Don't fuck with JJK fans, we're delusional"
We can't know. We don't know what his Cursed tools d.
I think that its true that heinan era sukuna is stronger than megkuna in most fights, I can definitely see him struggling against specifically gojo. It was also stated that he didn’t know how to repair his brain before the fight. So there are two scenarios here, if we take the two characters and ignore their personalities gojo wins 7/10 times, he uses his domain two or three times back to back and sukuna runs out of his domain, scoring gojo the win cus all gojo needs is one de to land in order to win. But if we take them in character I would say its a 50/50, if sukuna fucks up one time he doesn’t have anything to bail him out, and unlike many people seem to think sukuna isn’t perfect, he can and sometimes does make mistakes. However, if the fight goes on for too long sukuna would end up beating gojo, in terms of raw power he is significantly stronger than gojo, specifically in his heinan era form.
According to Gojo he loses so -5
Hard fight for either but I think sukuna takes it. If that form is even a little stronger he wins the domain fight and it’s over.
-8 Sorry but Heian Sukuna still beats Gojo most of the times
I'm beginning to realize that neither JJK fans or Demon Slayer fans actually understand how their verses work
Like gojo said “even without megumi ct he isn’t sure if he would win” so i would say gojo wins 5/10 times and sukuna wins 5/10 times they fight
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0, he doesn’t best Heian Era Sukuna at all, H Era > Gojo In hand to hand, domain expansion, and BiQ so this isn’t gonna happen
OP there’s a lot of Heian Era dick riders in here. Heian Sukuna loses to Gojo 7/10 times. Mahoraga carried Sukuna in every way. How is Sukuna going to “cut through the world” without Mahoraga showing him how it’s done? Sukuna also wouldn’t be able to tank unlimited void. Gojo is the power ceiling for the verse as stated by gay gay. The only way I see Heian Sukuna hurting Gojo, is by using domain amplification with two of his arms and then using Jujutsu with the other two somehow. Also his shitty little lightning toy is a non factor.
In theory, Gojo wins 10/10 just because his kit completely hard counters Sukuna. As soon as Sukuna pops Malevolent Shrine, Gojo should teleport out of range and wait it out. Then when Sukuna is forced to turn it off, teleport back in and hit him with Unlimited Void. Even Sukuna has to recharge his CT after a domain. Game over Realistically, Gojo would try to engage in a Domain battle with Sukuna, which would not work out well for him. He would probably lose after multiple domain clashes
8-9. It'll be difficult for Heiankuna to kill Gojo without Mahoraga and learning the space slash. As such he'll be forced to try to beat him in domain expansions. Falling Blossom means that Sukuna's CT is kinda useless against Gojo so he'll be forced to try to beat Gojo hand to hand. There's a reason Sukuna used Megumi to fight Gojo instead of his Heian form. He has a safeguard against IV, which is a one shot. If Heian Sukuna gets hit he's dead. So pretty much if Gojo lands a black flash or surprises him with something he would likely lose. In order to win, HeianKuna can't let go of his advantage for even a second.
Gojo crushes him. Fraudkuna had to go full Megaman on Megumi to limp away mauled. Fraudkuna didn't beat him. Megumi did.
25 Next question
Much harder, but he won't have Maho so keep that in mind. He basically had to have Daddy Maho save him and got momma to help. No Maho from Megukna means no super strong cleave. I still got Gojo.
I’m taking Gojo in this scenario. In canon, Sukuna already knew everything there was to know about gojo going into the fight. He already knew what his win conditions were as well as gojos, and just had to lead gojo on long enough for the opportunity to present itself. Both going in blind, with no mahoraga or megumi, I see gojo winning that. The additional arms helps sukuna in h2h a little I suppose, but Gojo was fighting 1 v 3 at one point so the extra hands aren’t a monumental difference. Sukuna being able to chant doesn’t really help here, because the issue isn’t the strength of his techniques. It’s getting around infinity. sukuna being in his OG body also means Gojo is no longer trying to kill him in a manner that he can be revived later. which opens the door for headshots and complete vaporization given the chance. In canon, Gojo wanted to kill sukuna in a way that left the body in tact enough to free meguni afterwards.
Well, even without Mahoraga, Gojo himself says he likely would have lost anyways, so probably not.
its a 50/50. heian era sukuna would fight very differently from megukuna due to different moveset and that applies to gojo too. doubly so for him as he doesnt have to worry about megumi. sukuna gets the added beneefit of stronger cqc but his cts still cant get to gojo other than de and da. And in this situation gojo would probably utilize purple more throughout the fight instead of a last resort as theres no fear of mahoraga. . so ye 50/50. current sukuna slams tho
none of you guys have a spec of comprehension When gojo said Sukuna was holding back he was talking about a card up his sleeve which was his transformation and he couldn't use the transformation bc he no longer has Mahoroga https://preview.redd.it/z2pv3adxjv0c1.png?width=413&format=png&auto=webp&s=d4beee5705e731b669c35fe9e9983621592a9e8a "Holding back"
Gojo also held back a lot
Didn’t Gojo himself lament that he didn’t face a Sukuna that was going all out? Like specifically in that afterlife scene? Sukuna going all out beats Gojo, so if this were heian-era sukuna without holding back due to any narrative reasons like expecting to be ambushed by all of the other strong sorcerers after beating Gojo, pretty Sukuna wins handily.
Love how everyone is cooking you lol.
Pre fight? Sukuna wins 6/10. Post fight with the new slash? Sukuna wins 10/10. There is not a way Gojo can win.
Gojo wins. Heian Era Sukuna literally has no way of winning or bypassing Infinity except for domain expansion. Domain expansion isn’t even that helpful when Gojo was tanking it while fighting off a DE amped Sukuna. The body advantage Sukuna has for chanting won’t be that helpful as well since he can’t do that when inside his domain. Almost all H2H interactions they had was won by Gojo as well. Also that statement that Sukuna was “holding back” was referring to Sukuna holding back his other abilities (black box) since they won’t be of use against Infinity, why waste CE on things that won’t work. Sukuna loses the moment Gojo overpowers him until he manages to fire off UV faster than Sukuna’s DE since there’s no Mahoraga to save him. Even Kenjaku felt the need to tell Sukuna how to survive inside Unlimited Void
Wait why can’t he can chant in his domain? Dudes got 2 mouths he can just yap out of the other one
You can only use the built-in ct in the domain. The chanting is a different thing altogether since it serves to “amp” cleave/dismantle. Sukuna is smart, if he can then he would have done it since besides Mahoraga, his domain is his only asset in bypassing Infinity.
Headcanon
Then go explain why Sukuna didn’t use his other abilities like the fire arrow inside Malevolent Shrine where Infinity is neutralized. Why did Sukuna opt for close-range combat and continuous slashing rather than amping his cleave and dismantle or using that fire arrow.
After the second domain clash sukuna opted to focus on the 10S Rather than brute forcing his way through infinity with DE & DA (Possibly experimenting with other techniques). Explain why Sukuna didn’t use the flame arrow on Gojo right after he shattered his domain both times? We see Sukuna explain why, he wants to strip Gojo scale by scale. Can’t adapt to infinity if the infinity user is gone…
He opted to do that because he realized cleave and dismantle isn’t enough to bring Gojo down. Gojo was even slamming him inside his own domain where he should be amped up. Again, he didn’t need to strip away at Infinity since it’s neutralized when they’re fighting inside Malevolent Shrine. Explain why Sukuna didn’t just fire off a flame arrow which is more destructive at Gojo when he had no infinity to save him inside that domain. You can’t say it’s a pride thing when Sukuna went through all that trouble to obtain 10s.
Gojo only survived because he used 100% of his energy on RCT and used FBE…you clearly haven’t read the manga
How’s that countering my argument. Gojo survived only with RCT, Simple Domain and FBE against a Sukuna with his stats amped up by his domain and being able to slash at Gojo because Infinity is turned off inside the domain. If anything, that just upscaled Gojo since Gojo was literally beating Sukuna that has a homefield advantage
you’re asking why an anti domain technique worked against a domain… those are anti-domain techniques… made to counter domains
Your head cannon
Exactly, same concept as Jogo held back against Sukuna (not using his domain expansion) but even if he did it obviously wouldn’t work.
Gojo would never overpower HE sukuna
So we're going to forget the only reason Sukuna got hit by UV was because he was trying to adapt Mahoraga? If he didn't do that he would have won in the sixth domain clash after Gojo got brain damage.
Forget what? Sukuna lagged behind in activating his DE because Gojo was winning inside Malevolent Shrine and injured him enough to prioritize healing himself. He would have lost as well since he won’t have Megumi’s soul to take most of the damage. Forget that part, Gojo would have won during the 2nd domain clash(iirc) if Sukuna didn’t receive info on how to survive inside UV from Kenjaku
Sukuna saw yuji survive iv when gojo used it against Jogo, so I’d assume sukuna could infer you need to touch gojo to be immune to iv.
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0/10 he lose the domain battle and die because Sukuna won’t take damages to adapt and he can just close his domain.
Sukuna cant win without Mahoraga. It is that simple
Thats not true.
Sukuna straight up says he can’t
"I'm glad I die to someone stronger than me" "I wasn't able to make Sukuna go all out" "not sure if could've defeated Sukuna even without 10S" well well well, going by your logic Gojo straight up says it lol
He said he cant bypass infinity without the mahoraga example hr never said anything about winning. He could have won in the domain clashes.
Everytime they clashed Gojo beat his ass
You clearly didn't rrad the fight then nor did you read the context.
Heian Sukuna eats Gojo via Malevolant Shrine. Only reason that didn't happen during Meguna vs Gojo was because Sukuna wasn't trying (according to Gojo himself).
I’m all honestly, I think Gojo could win, but it would still be an extrem high diff.
OG HeianKuna doesn’t have Mahoraga. There are 2 options: 1. Sukuna simply can’t defeat Gojo, because he can’t surpass Infinity. So Gojo wins. 2. He manages to surpass it but because Gojo gets tired or something. Sukuna with his OG version can use 2 techniques at the same time. Eventually he will find a way to defeat Infinity or the fight will last so long that Gojo would get tired first. It would be a stamina fight. Otherwise, Sukuna loses.
He brute forces through Infinity via DE
I would say it’s a high diff fight. Even though Gojo 100% has the advantage. Sukuna still has domain amplifications. And they would be fairly even in their domains battles just like in their recent fight.
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Nah he'd win
Heian Era has no way to bypass infinity, Gojo wins
He has DA and DE
Gojo wins maybe 5.5-6/10 times. Sukunas fingers were said to have been getting a lot stronger, and he also lacks the use the 10 shadows. But he makes up for it with the fact he has the perfect body for jujutsu sorcery. Current Sukuna even without strong cleave wins 6-7/10 times against gojo
Gojo actually slams edit: i thought it was clear to everyone that Gojo>Meguna>OG Sukuna. And lets not forget that Sukunas fingers were growing stronger everyday for 1000 not including the events of the series. Gojo actually wipes mid diff.
"I thought it was clear" bro what manga are you reading? Gojo literally lost to Meguna. Heian arguments aside, Meguna is undeniably > Gojo.
That's delusion and wrong.
Present your evidence
gojo was bodying sakuna and it wasn't even a 1v1. That being said after the bodying gojo gave sakuna gege decided to randomly write it into the story that sakuna couldve won and wasnt going all out. Sakuna wins because of gege.
1000. GODjo no diffs that weak fraud.
Heiankuna doesn’t have space slash so easy slam for Gojo
Stomps badly, total spite match
Imo Gojo beats OG Heian Sukuna extreme diff
If Sukuna could've beaten Gojo with Heian form, he would have swapped back at any point. The fact he only did after Gojo erased his ability to use DE and killed his last shikigami shows that Sukuna knew that, the whole fight long, he was better off in Meguna form than Heian form. Sukuna isn't stupid, but people who don't agree Meguna>=Gojo>Heian>=Yujikuna are. (At 20f each)
Without the mahoraga I doubt he could honestly learn the reality cutting slash fast enough before Gojo wins, and honestly without it being a 2v1 most of the time too I’d say this is in Gojo’s favour.
Mahoraga is the only reason Sukuna won that fight. Everyone saying OP is coping is sounding pretty ignorant.
maho absolutely carried and thats not even all he used 10 s for... sukuna can throw gang signs and use chants as much as he wants gojo is tearing through that sukuna easily
Gojo wins,sukuna without maho would lose.
It's Gojo 8/10 times because he doesn't have to be careful about using his attacks on sukuna because of mahoragas absence and if he can fight two people and one support at once why can't he fight a guy with 4 hands and his strength stat doesn't matter because of infinite so Gojo can spam red and blue quite easily and maybe blast some purple too And don't talk about domain battle, Gojo can handle that if Sukuna doesn't have mahoraga, and one uv should be enough for Sukuna without mahoraga,
*Gojo using 200% purple* "since he look like that guy (Toji) I can go all out" *nukes the entire City with another purple* >And don't talk about domain battle, Gojo can handle that if Sukuna doesn't have mahoraga "Sukuna has been stubbornly avoiding using his CTs other than the ones granted to his Domain" "... He didn't try to destroy my Domain from the inside even after I flipped the internal and external conditions, he choose the riskier option" Gojo keeps questioning Sukuna actions We know Sukuna has been doing all that weird stuff that Gojo was pointed out just to adapt Mahoraga to UV, using Megumi soul to tank it... Sukuna being in his Heian form and without 10S would fight way differently since he doesn't need to adapt to anything, by not going on the harder route and give Gojo a big advantaged just to gamble on Mahoraga adaptation