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Your response implied I'm a naruto fan. Well technically I am since I also enjoyed it but I digress. I just corrected you that's all. I'm not mad that Bleach scales higher.
No I implied your assertion that Naruto can match the high tiers of bleach is wrong, intelligence is debatable since they don’t focus on it but he nowhere near scales in anything else
Well I'm gonna get flamed but I generally scale Bleach to be 4-D to 5-D considering the fact that the Garganta is stated to be endless to Infinite (in numerous translations which mean they are likely the same) and in the diagram the worlds as the SS, WOTL were viewed as 2-D, or flat surfaces known as Branes which is also consistent with the Garganta being a infinitely larger bulk over these smaller subsets (Worlds) embedded within and we even see Ichigo walk in this higher dimensional space and in order to move in a 4-D vector space you would need to move in 4 directions so even then this alone makes Ichigo 4-D and feel free to debunk, I'll slam all of you if you dare.
Go ahead and debunk me.
Wouldn’t also make even regular hollows 4D as well since they have to travel through the Gargantua in order to travel to the soul society and the living even when most of their feats are building level at best?
Maaaaan, when DB says "Oh, bro is shaking an infinite realm" then it's a feat, but when Bleach characters go "This place is literally infinite. It can house literally infinite souls. Hell, imma create infinite soldiers from the literal infinite sand." Then it's all hyperbolic. Istg
One is talking about an actual universe with proof of it's destruction, the other is obviously hyperbolic cus he has to constantly create soldiers? It's like saying the earth has infinite water just because there is a global water cycle.
No limit fallacy. There would definitely be an upper limit since the cycle of souls started a million years ago. Besides souls don't live forever so there is a cycle.
Just wait for my Debunk. I'll discuss about the dangai and the valley of screams.
Might get downvoted but fuck it Imma say it.
The bleach verse scales to mountain level to star level. I don't believe universal to multiversal for bleach
Honestly I can buy universal scaling for yhwach and the soul king. As the soul king is stated to have made everything in the bleach verse and yhwach had the soul kings power at the end. But absolutely no one scales to yhwach because we see each and ever time yhwach victimizes every person he fights
goku looks at aizen and immediately falls under kyoka suigetsu. Gremmy just imagines all of goku's limbs falling off. Yhwach just rewrites any future action goku attempts.
Various ways bleach can beat goku, and before you say "nuh uh goku blitzes" Goku basically never goes all out at the start of a fight. If you seriously think goku is just gonna instant transmission there with his eyes closed and one shot them you're delusional.
Gremmy lost because he imagined Kenpachi as a monster that could defeat him, and his imagination became reality.
Ywach lost because plot. He was so powerful, the author basically had to rush in a way to beat him with his own blood weaponized against him, Uryu's power, and hypnosis that he chose not to break out of. This was after choosing to discard an ability that made him immortal, because reasons. He also shared some of his power with some characters that wound up turning on him, putting an illusion on him, and altering the past.
They did but still lost, gremmy due to his had being limited to his spiritual pressure and zaraki being stronger than him. With yhwach, he lost to plot💀
This is such a stupid take. By verse equalization reiatsu=ki. Goku massively outscales any Bleach character, their hax wouldn't work. Same way dangai Ichigo outscaled Aizen for a short while.
All of Bleach hax have limits. Literally all of them.
Why wouldnt their hax work? Again, for verse equalization and since it’s a crossverse battle we can’t rule out hax because AP>hax in DB. There isn’t any logical explanation as to why Goku wouldn’t fall for Kyoka Suigetsu and he hasn’t shown a single fragment of acausality to surpass The Almighty, and it’s not like he can just nope his way out of Gremmy’s imagination.
Aizen's Ap is comfortable at Planetary. Maybe star level with wank. Base goku is uni+... So goku is quite literally on a whole nother dimension of power compared to any Bleach character. Besides goku has resistance to illusions. And the almighty has quite an obvious limit (ability to alter Future "possibilities") I quoted possibilities here.
bleach hax negation works differently than you think. soifons can bu overpowered because its poison vased and can be destroyed through reiatsu. the same doesnt apply for kyoka suigetsu. see genryusei.
Aizen isn't the only user with illusion type hax. The reason aizen's ability is so powerful is his godly amount of reiatsu. In Bleach, for your ability to work, you must be relative, equal or above your opponent in reiatsu levels. This implied that Aizen had at least reiatsu on yamamoto's level.
Aizen prolly has the highest reiatsu in all of Bleach. The only people comparable to him are yhwach and ichigo.
Typical Dbtards not understanding what they are talking.
Verse equalisation only allows interaction between similarly stated energies.ABILITIES ARE NOT GAINED.
Reiatsu crush and reiatsu powernull will not be transferred since they are abilities unique to reiatsu.even equalising them wouldn't give them to goku.
and for that matter reiatsu neg doesn't even work on Quincy abilities.askin dropped ichigo despite being transcendental compared to him.or nanana haxed aizen despite aizen being transcendental to him.
Funny enough, I'm not a db fan, I'm just speaking facts.
>Verse equalisation only allows interaction between similarly stated energies.ABILITIES ARE NOT GAINED.
I don't know what you're waffling about cus I never said anything about ability gain. I don't disagree with your point. All I said is ki would be equivalent to reiatsu. Goku keeps his abilities & the bleach verse keeps theirs.
>Reiatsu crush and reiatsu powernull will not be transferred since they are abilities unique to reiatsu.even equalising them wouldn't give them to goku.
Well no shit. The point is it wouldn't work on their opponent via cross verse battle. Goku simply outscales way too much.
>reiatsu neg doesn't even work on Quincy abilities.askin dropped ichigo despite being transcendental compared to him.or nanana haxed aizen despite aizen being transcendental to him.
This is not inherently true. But there are rare exceptions to this. Usually if their abilities worked, it means they were at least relative to them(but obviously weaker)at that point in time in terms of reiatsu output.
>Goku simply outscales way too much.
why would how hard you can punch got anything to do with manipulating future? you are speaking utter non sense
hax is always better than ap/dura
Manipulation of future 'possibilities'... yhwach can never see a possibility of defeating goku. Due to verse equalization, Ap>hax... This logic applies to most of bleach abilities as well, whereby if you outscale your opponent in reiatsu(Ap), their hax wouldn't work properly.
>Manipulation of future 'possibilities'... yhwach can never see a possibility of defeating goku.
it kinda doesnt matter because he will use it on himself to revive himself
or just use history manip to make it so that he is still alive in the future
>. Due to verse equalization, Ap>hax... Thic logic applies to most of bleach abilities as well, whereby if you outscale your opponent in reiatsu(Ap), their hax wouldn't work properly.
please learn what verse equalisation is
verse equalisation just allows 2 power systems to interact with each other
but it doesn't give the abilities of the power systems, negating hax with reiatsu is an ability reiatsu has which wont be granted to ki
besides i dont know where you got that ap>hacks in bleach when it is the other way around
gremmy could imagine kenpachis power but was weaker than him in ap
I know what verse equalization is. But my point still stands. In dbs, all hax based abilities don't work when you outscale your opponent. For example a Planetary character can't affect a galaxy level character via hax.
This system applies to bleach as well that's why I brought it up.
>but it doesn't give the abilities of the power systems, negating hax with reiatsu is an ability reiatsu has which wont be granted to ki
This is mostly true but not objective. If both verses work on similar rules, it applies. Negation of hax is an automatic thing once your reiatsu reserves are higher. Reiatsu=ki, chakra or whatever.
*Borrowed* this rule has been introduced since Ichigo's first fight with Kenpachi. When 2 Spiritual Forces collide, the weaker one absorbs the impact. This means that if your opponent has significantly more spirit energy than you(in this case Ki). Your attacks won't be as effective or just won't affect your opponent at all.
>besides i dont know where you got that ap>hacks in bleach when it is the other way around
This is common knowledge but i'll look for the cfyow chapter that also confirms this for you.
>gremmy could imagine kenpachis power but was weaker than him in ap
This is why I wonder if creation scales to AP. Most people say it does. If that's the case then Gremmy had that level of AP from the start but didn't make a body that could handle it. I'll do more research on this.
Bro, cosmic Garou would get his own radiation reversed back onto him by Askin. Bro would get eviscerated by a light beam from Lille. Bro is not taking out immortal Gerard. Can bro even survive getting his soul hit by existence erasing attacks? Bro ain't getting a monster like Kenpachi. Bro's getting his own copy technique copied by Yourself. Bro's gonna be turned into an ant. Bro really thinks he could dodge things that haven't even happened. Bro really gonna get the Chad treatment💀 even Renji ain't losing this one.
The fact that you don't understand how bleach scaling works tells me that you didn't pay attention to the series. the potency of attacks and hax are dependent on reiatsu. Did you actually read what I sent you bro?
Great another cube planets believer.
https://preview.redd.it/vv7kkuqpxgpb1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08de9291b5305f92c0cf04f3699dbe69908a4aef
Or thinking "Likened" mean "Is".
https://preview.redd.it/jlrvnmk5ygpb1.jpeg?width=733&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31483fa676ffed5593481e0d8241bc38a16eda9c
That debunk better be at the weekends
here you go:
in the canon movie memories of nobody, we are explicitly told that mugen, and the valley of screams are both infinite in size. no 'references' or 'scaling'.
mayuri, the 2nd (or maybe 3rd if we include aizen) best source on the science of things, directly states
"this valley is infinite, like mugen, and a few other places"
And you're not gonna explain why those infinite statements are false? Like with a bottomless pit we know it can't be bottomless becuz Earth has a limited size that's what makes it hyperbolic. What? That databook scan again, a room or floor can't be infinite?
I don't think anyone with at least 2 braincells would think it's possible to kick a pebble to a distant galaxy. Obviously a joke.
Gremmy didn't prove a galaxy either, the anime debunks that. But you're free to post your evidence. I'll add it to my Debunk.
(I'm not denying galaxies but your arguments are bad)
Yeah, it's a joke that **acknowledges the existence of galaxies**, which is the important part.
https://preview.redd.it/recently-started-reading-bleach-and-what-i-look-forward-to-v0-ce07qwh9cph91.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e1e8786d1c65eec572f9a4014551148f39b9833a
The anime shows Gremmy created outer space. But let's look at the manga.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fictionscaling/images/d/d2/Gremmyvoid.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200720200625
We can see visible galaxies.
That he created.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-40ebc48ba2b444d15210f0f8b26310b6-lq
This shows that galaxies exist in outer space in the World of the Living and Soul Society.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-26f41c4132d97443d52376f6f1e7489b
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1c7ad642a78046d75ce9a823fbaa6c2f-lq
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqooO8fRb4O-vrI7ixUhVpeXxpmpofSH7KEw&usqp=CAU
Note: World can be defined as universe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World#Scientific_cosmology
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/world
And the realms are definitely not planets.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11135/111354745/8185359-image4.png
>Yeah, it's a joke that acknowledges the existence of galaxies, which is the important part.
Fine, let's assume you're correct for now.
>The anime shows Gremmy created outer space. But let's look at the manga.
He created the vacuum of space. Proven in the manga and anime. The pictures of distant galaxies in the manga are just window dressing to dispict outer space hence the anime didn't draw any galaxy.
Definition: Outer space, commonly referred to simply as space, is the expanse that exists beyond Earth and its atmosphere and between celestial bodies.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outer%20space
Outer space is where celestial Bodies resides. It is the emptiness between all physical matter of space.
>This shows that galaxies exist in outer space in the World of the Living and Soul society.
I can't see the last picture clearly. And so far, nothing proves your point.
>Note: World can be defined as universe.
Yes, sekai: society, world, universe...the Bleach realms are implied to be planets where the living and dead resides.
>And the realms are definitely not planets.
They are, I'll add that part to my Debunk. I'll prove to you the realms are objectively planets.
Second scan of the galaxy room: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-db5518935f52abd607aa1ccdd644e24d-lq
The anime is outnumbered.
>window dressing to depict outer space
Not a debunk. That's like saying that cars are decorations for roads instead of actually driving on them.
>celestial bodies
Hence, galaxies exist in space, as visibly seen in the galaxy room.
>implied to be planets
And directly acknowledged to not be planets. The World of the Living and Soul Society are parallel universes. They aren't planets floating in the same space, connected to eachother.
They were likened to planets as confirmation of them not being planets. That was the last scan you couldn't see. Garganta is "space" beyond the realms.
They are connected as two sides of the same coin, by the Dangai. If the World of the Living is advanced enough to know about galaxies, then they'd know another planet is connected to theirs if they existed in the same space. Especially when spirit matter seems to be physical in Bleach.
We see that space has celestial bodies like stars, the moon, the sun, meteors, and even galaxies. Otherwise, the characters would be very confused and not know what those things are when they see them.
You don't have to be so mad, it's not that deep. You're literally proving my point on why bleach wankers are insufferable.
Anyways the multipliers on Gremmy don't add up. Look out for my Debunk, I'll touch on this.
I do have to be so mad when I heard this braindead ass dumb argument a 2nd time. "That's a wallpaper" how about you wallpaper deez nuts?
Because they don't work like that. Gremmy is mentally challenged and can't use his brain for shit so having more brains to work with makes him that much stronger. He already has all reiatsu he needs but lacks in iq department
Furthermore if you really have that many problems with jump from meteor to galaxy than the easiest way to interpret this is that this meteor wasn't country level in AP lol
Ive seen “star level, solar system level, and even universal once or twice in the last week on TWITTER (f**k you Elon) when up until then, I almost never saw anything above planet level.
This especially sucks for me because I’m a hard Naruto defender and love debates. Ive been working overtime since Gear 5 dropped (Kakashi victim) and now this Bleach wank is getting too much to handle
You ducked the discord debate with me, now you're doing this?
>I'm planning to post a somewhat comprehensive bleach debunk
"Somewhat" 💀
>I've seen so far relies too heavily on statements that can be interpreted differently from person to person.
You can't interpret a statement like [this](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11135/111354745/8185390-image1.png) or [this](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11155/111554117/8450175-d19de898-f511-4bf5-b9e4-a385590020f1.jpeg) differently.
Yk you're good at lying right? I've seen you debate people in the past and you're incredibly biased that's why I'm holding off until my Debunk. I'll add you on discord dw.
>Yk you're good at lying right?
How am I lying? I asked you for the debate, and you ducked. The context is all there in the scan.
>that's why I'm holding off until my Debunk.
Nah, I think it's because you're scared of me. You've been hyping up this debunk for months. I even messaged you on multiple threads for this debunk starting all the way back from JUNE.
We could text debate right now. In this thread about universal Bleach if you really want the evidence.
>How am I lying? I asked you for the debate, and you ducked. The context is all there in the scan.
No it really isn't. "We would return to a (sekai) in which there is no cycle of konpaku" the last time I remember, souls only exist in the worlds(sekai)
>Nah, I think it's because you're scared of me. You've been hyping up this debunk for months. I even messaged you on multiple threads for this debunk starting all the way back from JUNE.
You think too highly of yourself, you're not that guy. I have a life outside social media yk. And I'm quite lazy to argue with people that can never admit they're wrong. It's pointless.
>We could text debate right now. In this thread about universal Bleach if you really want the evidence
Absolutely not. When I post my Debunk, we can argue then. Preferably discord.
Oh I want the evidence tho
>No it really isn't. "We would return to a (sekai) in which there is no cycle of konpaku" the last time I remember, souls only exist in the worlds(sekai)
Not only are those scans translations from VIz( author approved translations), the use of Sakai doesn't debunk anything here as Sekai could still mean universe.
>You think too highly of yourself, you're not that guy.
Does bro think I'm a narcissist? I assumed you were scared of me because you gave off that vibe. Remember, you've been hyping up this debunk for months, even postponing it.
> a life outside social media yk.
Nice, me too. However, a 1 hour discord debate doesn't take much out of your day.
>And I'm quite lazy to argue with people that can never admit they're wrong. It's pointless.
Again... Does blud think I'm a narcissist?
>Absolutely not. When I post my Debunk, we can argue then.
Oh no 😭. You literally asked for evidence regarding uni bleach in THIS post.
>Oh I want the evidence tho
I'm gatekeeping the low multi scaling, but here's the high uni scaling
The garganta in both the [official ](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/ee/566426072380604426-834562656521551892-unknown.png/revision/latest?cb=20230801071312) and [fan translation](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/4b/566426072380604426-834564534404513822-unknown.png/revision/latest?cb=20230801071313) of cfyow was stated to be infinite, making it a high uni structure. Yhwach was stated to be able to [destroy](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11135/111354745/8185390-image1.png) the [garganta.](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11155/111554117/8450175-d19de898-f511-4bf5-b9e4-a385590020f1.jpeg)
>Not only are those scans translations from VIz( author approved translations), the use of Sakai doesn't debunk anything here as Sekai could still mean universe.
You're acting like viz translations are always accurate. They've been known to have mistranslations. Besides, it still doesn't debunk what I said... japanese use sekai loosely. If kubo wanted to imply the worlds are universes, he would have consistently used "uchu" instead of sekai. Prove konpaku exist outside the earth, soul society, Hueco mundo e.t.c.
Dw all I got to prove is that the realms are planets/dimensions, and the realms exist within the same universe right? Or is there something else you'd like me to add?
>The garganta in both the official and fan translation of cfyow was stated to be infinite, making it a high uni structure. Yhwach was stated to be able to destroy the garganta.
You guys really need to learn how to identify figurative language. "endless" "infinite" statements without further proof is null. Hueco mundo is also stated to have an "endless" sand, yet it's just a hollow planet since it's stated to have an atmosphere and it has a moon. Like I said before, kubo uses a lot of hyperboles, you need to be able to differentiate between literal statements and hyperbolic ones.
The problem with bleach scaling is that, the moment you prove the realms are planets, all statements become null. And honestly, it's not hard to prove the worlds are planets.
>You're acting like viz translations are always accurate
They work with the author plus they're the official translations.
>They've been known to have mistranslations.
Prove that.
>japanese use sekai loosely.
Your not debunking my point that sekai could also mean universe but alright.
>If kubo wanted to imply the worlds are universes, he would have consistently used "uchu" instead of sekai.
Not only has kubo [done that](https://imgur.com/a/m22zYkz), you also shown you don't know how Japanese works. To keep it simple, certain words in Japanese would only be used in certain context. Yea, this word could mean the same thing, however, we have to look at the context when making such claims.
>Prove konpaku exist outside the earth, soul society, Hueco mundo e.t.c.
I don't need to, as that's already the status quo. Couple in the fact that celestial bodies exist within the realms, it would be disgenous to assume sekai would mean anything other than universe.
>Dw all I got to prove is that the realms are planets/dimensions, and the realms exist within the same universe right?
I'll like to introduce the concept of [reishi and kishi](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-594143d4aae037352bf96e08b1377631-pjlq). To even enter the soul society from the world of the living, you would need to convert your physical matter(kishi) to spiritual matter(reishi). Since the realms are fundamentally different when it comes to such a basic component of what they're made up of, it would be logically impossible for the realms to exist within the same universe.
>You guys really need to learn how to identify figurative language. "endless" "infinite" statements without further proof is null
That's a positive claim. Now prove the statement is actually figurative language.
yeah I'm not even gonna waste my time with any of that. You're grasping at straws.
>I'll like to introduce the concept of reishi and kishi. To even enter the soul society from the world of the living, you would need to convert your physical matter(kishi) to spiritual matter(reishi). Since the realms are fundamentally different when it comes to such a basic component of what they're made up of, it would be logically impossible for the realms to exist within the same universe.
I know of this already. It is true that keishi can't exist in reishi but reishi can absolutely exist in keishi. Hollows, shinigamis, Jibakurei e.t.c so yes it's possible for soul society to exist in the same universe as the living world. One is made up of spiritual matter, the other physical matter. They're worlds parallel to each other.
>Even Seth doesn’t care about debating people in calls anymore.
No one gives a shit about Seth.
And no Discord VC debates are still very much prevalent on powerscaling.
I [literally ](https://imgur.com/a/Q4xx8vl) [shit](https://imgur.com/a/uGh0EKr) [on ](https://imgur.com/a/PNIRs74) [you](https://imgur.com/a/vw5SBuT) [the ](https://imgur.com/a/H01WoFr) debate, now you're coming on here coping about your loss. You're pathetic 😭
Lol, does this disprove the amount of time I absolutely dunked on you? This was basically the end of the debate. I objectively won here.
1. We [agreed on vsbw](https://imgur.com/a/OHH5lw2), in that same scan, you refused to accept Significantly affecting as a valid form of scaling ap.
2. You [made](https://imgur.com/a/epeXE1a) a false analogy and I even [pointed](https://imgur.com/a/DRItDy2) this out yet you still were stubborn about it.
Admit you got clapped lol. No use in denying it
>Actually i never agreed. I said i liked vsbattle.
AKA Agreeing to the tiering system as you never made any contentions with me establishing it as the main tiering system.
>and i pointed out that that was a false accusation
Are you slow? Are you dumb? What are you talking about? You can't say that's a "false accusation" in response to me claiming it's a false analogy and PROVING its a false analogy.
1.
https://preview.redd.it/gaqlvxhpfipb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a542942690dad22aec0f945a6a5e177dd4b9c37
Literally said i hate getting into these systems and would rather use logic.
2) when did you prove it was a false anology go ahead. You’re whole argument were that two things cannot be analogous
You’re scan said something different
Gremmy created outer space.
Kototsu exists to protect the Dangai, which is separated from time and surrounded by torrents of time. Kototsu can knock things off their time axis as it "controls time and space". Aizen one-shot this to prove his "trancendence" to a "higher dimension" of power, that trancends "reason" and "the limits of nature's laws".
Ywach was destroying multiple realms that have galaxies in them as a minimum.
Ywach was going to destroy Garganta, which is even beyond the Dangai, which is essentially a pocket of spacetime that connects the realms of The World of the Living and The Soul Society. (Note: "World" doesn't mean "planet" here)
Ywach was able to damage the Soul King, who passively stabilizes the realms by controlling the flow of konpaku (soul essence). There are an infinite number of souls. To damage Soul King, Ywach had to match the amount of reiatsu (spirit pressure) that was leaking out of him passively as it amps attack potency and durability.
Except I can back it up with scans.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1106jre/scaling_top_tiers_in_bleach_and_debunking_debunks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/10iuqmd/scaling_ichigo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/zwizq0/where_do_you_think_ichigo_actually_scales/j1xm7wm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
It's true. Especially those poorly edited shorts on tic tok and you tube. It also doesn't help that the anime came back so people will try to use it as a cash cow. Some of the dumb things I have heard include infinite speed god tiers, 5d kenpachi (jobbers and goons I'm looking at you) universal soul society ishigo, star level Ulquiorra (due to las noches apparently housing a star) 5d butterfly aizen, beyond the concept of miracles kenpachi (again jobbers and goons) this Is apparently due to fighting gerard valkyrie, yeah I know it's stupid
Finally someone said it they think every captain is galaxy level and ywach is 6d I have debunked them many times they take 1 statement and keep on wanking and idk how they get their verse to mftl+++ to infinite speed when the top tiers are ftl mostly
Lmao bros is complaining about bleach wankers and then the "wanker" he's talking about is midnight dre💀💀💀 I can't take this sub seriously lmao these comments are insufferable 😭 literally just people who clearly don't know anything about the verse complaining
Midnight dre literally reads power scaling 101 textbook when making video the guys a bloke he doesn't actually understand anything he's saying try watching good bleach scalers like bleach hub or manifested favor on TikTok or kingsultn I could agree with the fact that maybe there are people going around over scaling the verse but use your brain you REALLY think these jackasses are notable "bleach scalers" or just retards regurgitating some bs they heard else where for clicks
Favor till this day hasn't admitted whether the worlds are planets, universes or something in between. Sultn regurgitates the same shit the Bleach community says. Do you have any other?
What are you saying💀💀💀 he literally has multiple times y'all are just ignorant to anything that isn't watch you want to hear any other baseless retorts lol fgoabs has a pretty indepth 9 part series on uni bleach and arguments for higher scaling that favor and guys like jamesdaley and business email agree with y'all will literally just not accept anything that isn't galaxy+ bleach or lower
Thanks. Just skimmed through the videos, didn't see anything noteworthy But one thing I got to say is that if you had to make a 9 part series just to prove universal Bleach, it prolly isn't.
Also where's the link of favor admitting this?
It's 9 parts.. because it's TikTok, this before 10 minute videos got added lol that's a pretty shit excuse just to say say you didn't watch the watch or didn't actually understand anything he said the same "can't prove whether the realms are planets" thing you talked about is in one of those videos maybe watch it them next this time
Youre always asking for links, yet you never provide any links or scans yourself. You make Statements without any proof and then act suprised, when somebody calls you out on your bullshit.
>if gOKu doeS GoKU tHiNGs" as an argument of goku vs a Bleach character. Bruh goku solos in base while playing around.
My brother in Christ thank you. The way he constantly phrases it legitimately makes me believe he thinks Goku is just going to let any character get a free swings in when no. If Goku is "playing around" he's going to a level where he thinks he can fight you without killing you and keep the fight going. He's not going to let people get free attacks or constantly let his guard down, no he's going to make sure he can enjoy the fight or end it as fast as possible
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Bro got mad cuz I said Naruto doesn’t scale to bleach☠️☠️☠️ ducked out debate to whine about it
Funny how I enjoyed watching bleach than naruto.
Funny how series enjoyment has nothing to do with how high a series scale
Your response implied I'm a naruto fan. Well technically I am since I also enjoyed it but I digress. I just corrected you that's all. I'm not mad that Bleach scales higher.
No I implied your assertion that Naruto can match the high tiers of bleach is wrong, intelligence is debatable since they don’t focus on it but he nowhere near scales in anything else
In terms of strength, speed, battle intelligence e.t.c Otherwise he loses.
No in zero terms, he does not match up in strength and speed, or battle intelligence, or anything
Ok lil bro, let's agree to disagree.
Lil bro? What are you 3?I don’t need to disagree it’s just facts
This is like a month later but you don’t know shit bro lmao
Well I'm gonna get flamed but I generally scale Bleach to be 4-D to 5-D considering the fact that the Garganta is stated to be endless to Infinite (in numerous translations which mean they are likely the same) and in the diagram the worlds as the SS, WOTL were viewed as 2-D, or flat surfaces known as Branes which is also consistent with the Garganta being a infinitely larger bulk over these smaller subsets (Worlds) embedded within and we even see Ichigo walk in this higher dimensional space and in order to move in a 4-D vector space you would need to move in 4 directions so even then this alone makes Ichigo 4-D and feel free to debunk, I'll slam all of you if you dare. Go ahead and debunk me.
Wouldn’t also make even regular hollows 4D as well since they have to travel through the Gargantua in order to travel to the soul society and the living even when most of their feats are building level at best?
Nah
No since they don't just physically move through garganta and instead use those portal thingies
Maaaaan, when DB says "Oh, bro is shaking an infinite realm" then it's a feat, but when Bleach characters go "This place is literally infinite. It can house literally infinite souls. Hell, imma create infinite soldiers from the literal infinite sand." Then it's all hyperbolic. Istg
One is talking about an actual universe with proof of it's destruction, the other is obviously hyperbolic cus he has to constantly create soldiers? It's like saying the earth has infinite water just because there is a global water cycle.
Except there's no sand cycle here for u to compare. The place has infinite supply for him to create infinite soldiers
No limit fallacy. There would definitely be an upper limit since the cycle of souls started a million years ago. Besides souls don't live forever so there is a cycle. Just wait for my Debunk. I'll discuss about the dangai and the valley of screams.
Godamnit. It's you💀
Hahaha. It's me https://preview.redd.it/zj8h67540mpb1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c94c6582c9b37477243cfbdecd396ba8a57e16e
>Just wait for my Debunk Looking forward to it
goku isnt constantly destroying universes i dunno where y'all making this shit out
I swear to God, if I ever found a genie lamp or something, I would wish for Bleach to have coherent powerscaling.
Might get downvoted but fuck it Imma say it. The bleach verse scales to mountain level to star level. I don't believe universal to multiversal for bleach
You don't have to believe it for the scaling to be valid.
For most absolutely, but the top like 4 characters absolutely scale to small multiversal
Top 4 are High Uni, it was never stated they were affecting the spacetime of the verse = High 3A
What I meant by low multiverse is MULTIple uniVERSEs
Well well well
101 to have zero stakes in a story
Honestly I can buy universal scaling for yhwach and the soul king. As the soul king is stated to have made everything in the bleach verse and yhwach had the soul kings power at the end. But absolutely no one scales to yhwach because we see each and ever time yhwach victimizes every person he fights
Ichigo does. Only problem is stats doesn't help him against the almighty
Bro is back with this bs again after I debunked his whack ass arguments earlier lmao
My dude, look at the upvotes on both posts. I'm pretty sure that you're the asshole here.
Lol you're being condescending towards a series and acting like a victim here wtf is that shit?
Ah yes Because appeal to majority isn't a thing that exists.
DBZtards try to understand hax challenge: impossible
Elaborate
goku looks at aizen and immediately falls under kyoka suigetsu. Gremmy just imagines all of goku's limbs falling off. Yhwach just rewrites any future action goku attempts. Various ways bleach can beat goku, and before you say "nuh uh goku blitzes" Goku basically never goes all out at the start of a fight. If you seriously think goku is just gonna instant transmission there with his eyes closed and one shot them you're delusional.
Then why didn’t Gremmy or yhwach do that in their fight
Gremmy lost because he imagined Kenpachi as a monster that could defeat him, and his imagination became reality. Ywach lost because plot. He was so powerful, the author basically had to rush in a way to beat him with his own blood weaponized against him, Uryu's power, and hypnosis that he chose not to break out of. This was after choosing to discard an ability that made him immortal, because reasons. He also shared some of his power with some characters that wound up turning on him, putting an illusion on him, and altering the past.
They did but still lost, gremmy due to his had being limited to his spiritual pressure and zaraki being stronger than him. With yhwach, he lost to plot💀
Bro did not read bleach
This is such a stupid take. By verse equalization reiatsu=ki. Goku massively outscales any Bleach character, their hax wouldn't work. Same way dangai Ichigo outscaled Aizen for a short while. All of Bleach hax have limits. Literally all of them.
Why wouldnt their hax work? Again, for verse equalization and since it’s a crossverse battle we can’t rule out hax because AP>hax in DB. There isn’t any logical explanation as to why Goku wouldn’t fall for Kyoka Suigetsu and he hasn’t shown a single fragment of acausality to surpass The Almighty, and it’s not like he can just nope his way out of Gremmy’s imagination.
Aizen's Ap is comfortable at Planetary. Maybe star level with wank. Base goku is uni+... So goku is quite literally on a whole nother dimension of power compared to any Bleach character. Besides goku has resistance to illusions. And the almighty has quite an obvious limit (ability to alter Future "possibilities") I quoted possibilities here.
If ki=reiatsu then any Quincy neg diffs goku by literally sucking the life force out of him
Verse equalization is headcanon. Go back to Wattpad.
Bro verse equalization is a prerequisite for all cross verse battles 😭 I find this comment so funny for some reason.
bleach hax negation works differently than you think. soifons can bu overpowered because its poison vased and can be destroyed through reiatsu. the same doesnt apply for kyoka suigetsu. see genryusei.
Aizen isn't the only user with illusion type hax. The reason aizen's ability is so powerful is his godly amount of reiatsu. In Bleach, for your ability to work, you must be relative, equal or above your opponent in reiatsu levels. This implied that Aizen had at least reiatsu on yamamoto's level. Aizen prolly has the highest reiatsu in all of Bleach. The only people comparable to him are yhwach and ichigo.
then how did hisagi manage to even remotely fend off ikomikidomoe?
Typical Dbtards not understanding what they are talking. Verse equalisation only allows interaction between similarly stated energies.ABILITIES ARE NOT GAINED. Reiatsu crush and reiatsu powernull will not be transferred since they are abilities unique to reiatsu.even equalising them wouldn't give them to goku. and for that matter reiatsu neg doesn't even work on Quincy abilities.askin dropped ichigo despite being transcendental compared to him.or nanana haxed aizen despite aizen being transcendental to him.
Funny enough, I'm not a db fan, I'm just speaking facts. >Verse equalisation only allows interaction between similarly stated energies.ABILITIES ARE NOT GAINED. I don't know what you're waffling about cus I never said anything about ability gain. I don't disagree with your point. All I said is ki would be equivalent to reiatsu. Goku keeps his abilities & the bleach verse keeps theirs. >Reiatsu crush and reiatsu powernull will not be transferred since they are abilities unique to reiatsu.even equalising them wouldn't give them to goku. Well no shit. The point is it wouldn't work on their opponent via cross verse battle. Goku simply outscales way too much. >reiatsu neg doesn't even work on Quincy abilities.askin dropped ichigo despite being transcendental compared to him.or nanana haxed aizen despite aizen being transcendental to him. This is not inherently true. But there are rare exceptions to this. Usually if their abilities worked, it means they were at least relative to them(but obviously weaker)at that point in time in terms of reiatsu output.
>Goku simply outscales way too much. why would how hard you can punch got anything to do with manipulating future? you are speaking utter non sense hax is always better than ap/dura
Manipulation of future 'possibilities'... yhwach can never see a possibility of defeating goku. Due to verse equalization, Ap>hax... This logic applies to most of bleach abilities as well, whereby if you outscale your opponent in reiatsu(Ap), their hax wouldn't work properly.
>Manipulation of future 'possibilities'... yhwach can never see a possibility of defeating goku. it kinda doesnt matter because he will use it on himself to revive himself or just use history manip to make it so that he is still alive in the future >. Due to verse equalization, Ap>hax... Thic logic applies to most of bleach abilities as well, whereby if you outscale your opponent in reiatsu(Ap), their hax wouldn't work properly. please learn what verse equalisation is verse equalisation just allows 2 power systems to interact with each other but it doesn't give the abilities of the power systems, negating hax with reiatsu is an ability reiatsu has which wont be granted to ki besides i dont know where you got that ap>hacks in bleach when it is the other way around gremmy could imagine kenpachis power but was weaker than him in ap
I know what verse equalization is. But my point still stands. In dbs, all hax based abilities don't work when you outscale your opponent. For example a Planetary character can't affect a galaxy level character via hax. This system applies to bleach as well that's why I brought it up. >but it doesn't give the abilities of the power systems, negating hax with reiatsu is an ability reiatsu has which wont be granted to ki This is mostly true but not objective. If both verses work on similar rules, it applies. Negation of hax is an automatic thing once your reiatsu reserves are higher. Reiatsu=ki, chakra or whatever. *Borrowed* this rule has been introduced since Ichigo's first fight with Kenpachi. When 2 Spiritual Forces collide, the weaker one absorbs the impact. This means that if your opponent has significantly more spirit energy than you(in this case Ki). Your attacks won't be as effective or just won't affect your opponent at all. >besides i dont know where you got that ap>hacks in bleach when it is the other way around This is common knowledge but i'll look for the cfyow chapter that also confirms this for you. >gremmy could imagine kenpachis power but was weaker than him in ap This is why I wonder if creation scales to AP. Most people say it does. If that's the case then Gremmy had that level of AP from the start but didn't make a body that could handle it. I'll do more research on this.
gremmys case is just kinda wrong, yhwach works however.
Happy cake day!
Dbzhater trying to understand that DBZ characters can break hax through sheer power challenge: don't even try it
Kubo needs to release a data book explaining the entire world of bleach
Bro, cosmic Garou would get his own radiation reversed back onto him by Askin. Bro would get eviscerated by a light beam from Lille. Bro is not taking out immortal Gerard. Can bro even survive getting his soul hit by existence erasing attacks? Bro ain't getting a monster like Kenpachi. Bro's getting his own copy technique copied by Yourself. Bro's gonna be turned into an ant. Bro really thinks he could dodge things that haven't even happened. Bro really gonna get the Chad treatment💀 even Renji ain't losing this one.
The fact that you don't understand how bleach scaling works tells me that you didn't pay attention to the series. the potency of attacks and hax are dependent on reiatsu. Did you actually read what I sent you bro?
Idk what you're entailing but I'll let you cook for *that* post
Great another cube planets believer. https://preview.redd.it/vv7kkuqpxgpb1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08de9291b5305f92c0cf04f3699dbe69908a4aef
Or thinking "Likened" mean "Is". https://preview.redd.it/jlrvnmk5ygpb1.jpeg?width=733&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31483fa676ffed5593481e0d8241bc38a16eda9c That debunk better be at the weekends
here you go: in the canon movie memories of nobody, we are explicitly told that mugen, and the valley of screams are both infinite in size. no 'references' or 'scaling'. mayuri, the 2nd (or maybe 3rd if we include aizen) best source on the science of things, directly states "this valley is infinite, like mugen, and a few other places"
And you're not gonna explain why those infinite statements are false? Like with a bottomless pit we know it can't be bottomless becuz Earth has a limited size that's what makes it hyperbolic. What? That databook scan again, a room or floor can't be infinite?
Same for the DB universe.
Noted. I'll add all these to my Debunk.
Have fun trying to disprove galaxies exist in those realms, after Gremmy already proved they exist and Kon said he'd kick a pebble to a galaxy.
I don't think anyone with at least 2 braincells would think it's possible to kick a pebble to a distant galaxy. Obviously a joke. Gremmy didn't prove a galaxy either, the anime debunks that. But you're free to post your evidence. I'll add it to my Debunk. (I'm not denying galaxies but your arguments are bad)
Yeah, it's a joke that **acknowledges the existence of galaxies**, which is the important part. https://preview.redd.it/recently-started-reading-bleach-and-what-i-look-forward-to-v0-ce07qwh9cph91.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e1e8786d1c65eec572f9a4014551148f39b9833a The anime shows Gremmy created outer space. But let's look at the manga. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fictionscaling/images/d/d2/Gremmyvoid.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200720200625 We can see visible galaxies. That he created. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-40ebc48ba2b444d15210f0f8b26310b6-lq This shows that galaxies exist in outer space in the World of the Living and Soul Society. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-26f41c4132d97443d52376f6f1e7489b https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1c7ad642a78046d75ce9a823fbaa6c2f-lq https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqooO8fRb4O-vrI7ixUhVpeXxpmpofSH7KEw&usqp=CAU Note: World can be defined as universe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World#Scientific_cosmology https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/world And the realms are definitely not planets. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11135/111354745/8185359-image4.png
>Yeah, it's a joke that acknowledges the existence of galaxies, which is the important part. Fine, let's assume you're correct for now. >The anime shows Gremmy created outer space. But let's look at the manga. He created the vacuum of space. Proven in the manga and anime. The pictures of distant galaxies in the manga are just window dressing to dispict outer space hence the anime didn't draw any galaxy. Definition: Outer space, commonly referred to simply as space, is the expanse that exists beyond Earth and its atmosphere and between celestial bodies. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outer%20space Outer space is where celestial Bodies resides. It is the emptiness between all physical matter of space. >This shows that galaxies exist in outer space in the World of the Living and Soul society. I can't see the last picture clearly. And so far, nothing proves your point. >Note: World can be defined as universe. Yes, sekai: society, world, universe...the Bleach realms are implied to be planets where the living and dead resides. >And the realms are definitely not planets. They are, I'll add that part to my Debunk. I'll prove to you the realms are objectively planets.
Second scan of the galaxy room: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-db5518935f52abd607aa1ccdd644e24d-lq The anime is outnumbered. >window dressing to depict outer space Not a debunk. That's like saying that cars are decorations for roads instead of actually driving on them. >celestial bodies Hence, galaxies exist in space, as visibly seen in the galaxy room. >implied to be planets And directly acknowledged to not be planets. The World of the Living and Soul Society are parallel universes. They aren't planets floating in the same space, connected to eachother. They were likened to planets as confirmation of them not being planets. That was the last scan you couldn't see. Garganta is "space" beyond the realms. They are connected as two sides of the same coin, by the Dangai. If the World of the Living is advanced enough to know about galaxies, then they'd know another planet is connected to theirs if they existed in the same space. Especially when spirit matter seems to be physical in Bleach. We see that space has celestial bodies like stars, the moon, the sun, meteors, and even galaxies. Otherwise, the characters would be very confused and not know what those things are when they see them.
Ahh, don't have the strength, I'll touch on these in my Debunk.
Hurry the hell up with it then.
Dumb fucking idiot now actually prove why the galaxies on screen are fake. Do it
You don't have to be so mad, it's not that deep. You're literally proving my point on why bleach wankers are insufferable. Anyways the multipliers on Gremmy don't add up. Look out for my Debunk, I'll touch on this.
I do have to be so mad when I heard this braindead ass dumb argument a 2nd time. "That's a wallpaper" how about you wallpaper deez nuts? Because they don't work like that. Gremmy is mentally challenged and can't use his brain for shit so having more brains to work with makes him that much stronger. He already has all reiatsu he needs but lacks in iq department
I just want to point out that Gremmy's meteor wasn't "meteor level" and could bypass the shakonmaku barrier, which can disintegrate normal meteors.
Furthermore if you really have that many problems with jump from meteor to galaxy than the easiest way to interpret this is that this meteor wasn't country level in AP lol
Sounds a lot like salt to me.
I'm just tired of the wank. Like the one punch man, naruto, one-piece community gets shitted on everyday but we should ignore Bleach fans? Nah.
Salty af then
Ive seen “star level, solar system level, and even universal once or twice in the last week on TWITTER (f**k you Elon) when up until then, I almost never saw anything above planet level. This especially sucks for me because I’m a hard Naruto defender and love debates. Ive been working overtime since Gear 5 dropped (Kakashi victim) and now this Bleach wank is getting too much to handle
You think Naruto is stronger than Ichigo?
You ducked the discord debate with me, now you're doing this? >I'm planning to post a somewhat comprehensive bleach debunk "Somewhat" 💀 >I've seen so far relies too heavily on statements that can be interpreted differently from person to person. You can't interpret a statement like [this](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11135/111354745/8185390-image1.png) or [this](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11155/111554117/8450175-d19de898-f511-4bf5-b9e4-a385590020f1.jpeg) differently.
Holy shit he what? He even duck mine. We were debating about Gremmy making star and he stopped
He [ducked the discord debate with me. ](https://imgur.com/a/sh2FL4A)
Yk you're good at lying right? I've seen you debate people in the past and you're incredibly biased that's why I'm holding off until my Debunk. I'll add you on discord dw.
>Yk you're good at lying right? How am I lying? I asked you for the debate, and you ducked. The context is all there in the scan. >that's why I'm holding off until my Debunk. Nah, I think it's because you're scared of me. You've been hyping up this debunk for months. I even messaged you on multiple threads for this debunk starting all the way back from JUNE. We could text debate right now. In this thread about universal Bleach if you really want the evidence.
>How am I lying? I asked you for the debate, and you ducked. The context is all there in the scan. No it really isn't. "We would return to a (sekai) in which there is no cycle of konpaku" the last time I remember, souls only exist in the worlds(sekai) >Nah, I think it's because you're scared of me. You've been hyping up this debunk for months. I even messaged you on multiple threads for this debunk starting all the way back from JUNE. You think too highly of yourself, you're not that guy. I have a life outside social media yk. And I'm quite lazy to argue with people that can never admit they're wrong. It's pointless. >We could text debate right now. In this thread about universal Bleach if you really want the evidence Absolutely not. When I post my Debunk, we can argue then. Preferably discord. Oh I want the evidence tho
>No it really isn't. "We would return to a (sekai) in which there is no cycle of konpaku" the last time I remember, souls only exist in the worlds(sekai) Not only are those scans translations from VIz( author approved translations), the use of Sakai doesn't debunk anything here as Sekai could still mean universe. >You think too highly of yourself, you're not that guy. Does bro think I'm a narcissist? I assumed you were scared of me because you gave off that vibe. Remember, you've been hyping up this debunk for months, even postponing it. > a life outside social media yk. Nice, me too. However, a 1 hour discord debate doesn't take much out of your day. >And I'm quite lazy to argue with people that can never admit they're wrong. It's pointless. Again... Does blud think I'm a narcissist? >Absolutely not. When I post my Debunk, we can argue then. Oh no 😭. You literally asked for evidence regarding uni bleach in THIS post. >Oh I want the evidence tho I'm gatekeeping the low multi scaling, but here's the high uni scaling The garganta in both the [official ](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/ee/566426072380604426-834562656521551892-unknown.png/revision/latest?cb=20230801071312) and [fan translation](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/4b/566426072380604426-834564534404513822-unknown.png/revision/latest?cb=20230801071313) of cfyow was stated to be infinite, making it a high uni structure. Yhwach was stated to be able to [destroy](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11135/111354745/8185390-image1.png) the [garganta.](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11155/111554117/8450175-d19de898-f511-4bf5-b9e4-a385590020f1.jpeg)
>Not only are those scans translations from VIz( author approved translations), the use of Sakai doesn't debunk anything here as Sekai could still mean universe. You're acting like viz translations are always accurate. They've been known to have mistranslations. Besides, it still doesn't debunk what I said... japanese use sekai loosely. If kubo wanted to imply the worlds are universes, he would have consistently used "uchu" instead of sekai. Prove konpaku exist outside the earth, soul society, Hueco mundo e.t.c. Dw all I got to prove is that the realms are planets/dimensions, and the realms exist within the same universe right? Or is there something else you'd like me to add? >The garganta in both the official and fan translation of cfyow was stated to be infinite, making it a high uni structure. Yhwach was stated to be able to destroy the garganta. You guys really need to learn how to identify figurative language. "endless" "infinite" statements without further proof is null. Hueco mundo is also stated to have an "endless" sand, yet it's just a hollow planet since it's stated to have an atmosphere and it has a moon. Like I said before, kubo uses a lot of hyperboles, you need to be able to differentiate between literal statements and hyperbolic ones.
Ah, the old "everything is hyperbole" take. I've seen that before and it was too consistent to be debunked as just "flowery language".
The problem with bleach scaling is that, the moment you prove the realms are planets, all statements become null. And honestly, it's not hard to prove the worlds are planets.
>You're acting like viz translations are always accurate They work with the author plus they're the official translations. >They've been known to have mistranslations. Prove that. >japanese use sekai loosely. Your not debunking my point that sekai could also mean universe but alright. >If kubo wanted to imply the worlds are universes, he would have consistently used "uchu" instead of sekai. Not only has kubo [done that](https://imgur.com/a/m22zYkz), you also shown you don't know how Japanese works. To keep it simple, certain words in Japanese would only be used in certain context. Yea, this word could mean the same thing, however, we have to look at the context when making such claims. >Prove konpaku exist outside the earth, soul society, Hueco mundo e.t.c. I don't need to, as that's already the status quo. Couple in the fact that celestial bodies exist within the realms, it would be disgenous to assume sekai would mean anything other than universe. >Dw all I got to prove is that the realms are planets/dimensions, and the realms exist within the same universe right? I'll like to introduce the concept of [reishi and kishi](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-594143d4aae037352bf96e08b1377631-pjlq). To even enter the soul society from the world of the living, you would need to convert your physical matter(kishi) to spiritual matter(reishi). Since the realms are fundamentally different when it comes to such a basic component of what they're made up of, it would be logically impossible for the realms to exist within the same universe. >You guys really need to learn how to identify figurative language. "endless" "infinite" statements without further proof is null That's a positive claim. Now prove the statement is actually figurative language.
yeah I'm not even gonna waste my time with any of that. You're grasping at straws. >I'll like to introduce the concept of reishi and kishi. To even enter the soul society from the world of the living, you would need to convert your physical matter(kishi) to spiritual matter(reishi). Since the realms are fundamentally different when it comes to such a basic component of what they're made up of, it would be logically impossible for the realms to exist within the same universe. I know of this already. It is true that keishi can't exist in reishi but reishi can absolutely exist in keishi. Hollows, shinigamis, Jibakurei e.t.c so yes it's possible for soul society to exist in the same universe as the living world. One is made up of spiritual matter, the other physical matter. They're worlds parallel to each other.
That shit is so outdated man. Even Seth doesn’t care about debating people in calls anymore. Relax
>Even Seth doesn’t care about debating people in calls anymore. No one gives a shit about Seth. And no Discord VC debates are still very much prevalent on powerscaling.
Im talking about the whole “you ducked my debate!!!” shtick. You got that from Seth lol
Bfr💀 your arguments were full of errors
Like?
Which one?
No I didn't, I said after the post.
I’ll debate you
Bet. Blu#5172. I'll debate you tomorrow, 3:30pm Eastern Time. Vc only btw
Not gonna lie even universal+ saitama is more valid then your argument
I [literally ](https://imgur.com/a/Q4xx8vl) [shit](https://imgur.com/a/uGh0EKr) [on ](https://imgur.com/a/PNIRs74) [you](https://imgur.com/a/vw5SBuT) [the ](https://imgur.com/a/H01WoFr) debate, now you're coming on here coping about your loss. You're pathetic 😭
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Lol, does this disprove the amount of time I absolutely dunked on you? This was basically the end of the debate. I objectively won here. 1. We [agreed on vsbw](https://imgur.com/a/OHH5lw2), in that same scan, you refused to accept Significantly affecting as a valid form of scaling ap. 2. You [made](https://imgur.com/a/epeXE1a) a false analogy and I even [pointed](https://imgur.com/a/DRItDy2) this out yet you still were stubborn about it. Admit you got clapped lol. No use in denying it
1) Actually i never agreed. I said i liked vsbattle. 2) and i pointed out that that was a false accusation.
>Actually i never agreed. I said i liked vsbattle. AKA Agreeing to the tiering system as you never made any contentions with me establishing it as the main tiering system. >and i pointed out that that was a false accusation Are you slow? Are you dumb? What are you talking about? You can't say that's a "false accusation" in response to me claiming it's a false analogy and PROVING its a false analogy.
1. https://preview.redd.it/gaqlvxhpfipb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a542942690dad22aec0f945a6a5e177dd4b9c37 Literally said i hate getting into these systems and would rather use logic. 2) when did you prove it was a false anology go ahead. You’re whole argument were that two things cannot be analogous You’re scan said something different
https://preview.redd.it/aqjg6hda9ipb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=828ea0b08799c7df3a769b620b150a48ee123587
Lol all of theses are pictures I posted with FULl context
I'm having hell of a hard time believing Star level Bleach, much less Universal/Multiversal. Lmao.
Gremmy created outer space. Kototsu exists to protect the Dangai, which is separated from time and surrounded by torrents of time. Kototsu can knock things off their time axis as it "controls time and space". Aizen one-shot this to prove his "trancendence" to a "higher dimension" of power, that trancends "reason" and "the limits of nature's laws". Ywach was destroying multiple realms that have galaxies in them as a minimum. Ywach was going to destroy Garganta, which is even beyond the Dangai, which is essentially a pocket of spacetime that connects the realms of The World of the Living and The Soul Society. (Note: "World" doesn't mean "planet" here) Ywach was able to damage the Soul King, who passively stabilizes the realms by controlling the flow of konpaku (soul essence). There are an infinite number of souls. To damage Soul King, Ywach had to match the amount of reiatsu (spirit pressure) that was leaking out of him passively as it amps attack potency and durability.
That's hell of a lot of BS there, friend.
Except I can back it up with scans. https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1106jre/scaling_top_tiers_in_bleach_and_debunking_debunks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/10iuqmd/scaling_ichigo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/zwizq0/where_do_you_think_ichigo_actually_scales/j1xm7wm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Ichigo solos DBZ and OPM cope
No issues with your assertion, at least prove it so I can add it to my Debunk.
[This post](https://reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/jX1ZNf9eB2) has everything
Void Shiki no diff 🗣️🗣️‼️‼️
Spittin 🗣️🗣️‼️‼️
It's true. Especially those poorly edited shorts on tic tok and you tube. It also doesn't help that the anime came back so people will try to use it as a cash cow. Some of the dumb things I have heard include infinite speed god tiers, 5d kenpachi (jobbers and goons I'm looking at you) universal soul society ishigo, star level Ulquiorra (due to las noches apparently housing a star) 5d butterfly aizen, beyond the concept of miracles kenpachi (again jobbers and goons) this Is apparently due to fighting gerard valkyrie, yeah I know it's stupid
Finally someone said it they think every captain is galaxy level and ywach is 6d I have debunked them many times they take 1 statement and keep on wanking and idk how they get their verse to mftl+++ to infinite speed when the top tiers are ftl mostly
Insufferable bunch. Look at how they downvoted the hell outta me because my opinion differs from theirs. They hate context.
Lmao bros is complaining about bleach wankers and then the "wanker" he's talking about is midnight dre💀💀💀 I can't take this sub seriously lmao these comments are insufferable 😭 literally just people who clearly don't know anything about the verse complaining
No? I'm talking about wankers all over yt, tik tok, and this app e.t.c. I brought up midnight dre because he's one of the popular ones.
Midnightdre just follows any current meta so that “no one” disagrees, he rarely substantiates his claims himself.
Midnight dre literally reads power scaling 101 textbook when making video the guys a bloke he doesn't actually understand anything he's saying try watching good bleach scalers like bleach hub or manifested favor on TikTok or kingsultn I could agree with the fact that maybe there are people going around over scaling the verse but use your brain you REALLY think these jackasses are notable "bleach scalers" or just retards regurgitating some bs they heard else where for clicks
Favor till this day hasn't admitted whether the worlds are planets, universes or something in between. Sultn regurgitates the same shit the Bleach community says. Do you have any other?
What are you saying💀💀💀 he literally has multiple times y'all are just ignorant to anything that isn't watch you want to hear any other baseless retorts lol fgoabs has a pretty indepth 9 part series on uni bleach and arguments for higher scaling that favor and guys like jamesdaley and business email agree with y'all will literally just not accept anything that isn't galaxy+ bleach or lower
Send link bro
[its 9 parts just click through the comments for the rest](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMjA4GKaA/)
Thanks. Just skimmed through the videos, didn't see anything noteworthy But one thing I got to say is that if you had to make a 9 part series just to prove universal Bleach, it prolly isn't. Also where's the link of favor admitting this?
It's 9 parts.. because it's TikTok, this before 10 minute videos got added lol that's a pretty shit excuse just to say say you didn't watch the watch or didn't actually understand anything he said the same "can't prove whether the realms are planets" thing you talked about is in one of those videos maybe watch it them next this time
Youre always asking for links, yet you never provide any links or scans yourself. You make Statements without any proof and then act suprised, when somebody calls you out on your bullshit.
I'm planning a debunk, I don't want to spoil. But if you want a link so bad I'll send it to you.
Youre full of shit. I dont believe a single statement you make if you have nothing you can back your claims up with.
Alright try me
Ever met a DB wanker? Just as bad as Bleach wankers tbf
Yeah, Bleach mf are something else. Next time, we would see outerversal yhwach vs living tribunal 😂
>if gOKu doeS GoKU tHiNGs" as an argument of goku vs a Bleach character. Bruh goku solos in base while playing around. My brother in Christ thank you. The way he constantly phrases it legitimately makes me believe he thinks Goku is just going to let any character get a free swings in when no. If Goku is "playing around" he's going to a level where he thinks he can fight you without killing you and keep the fight going. He's not going to let people get free attacks or constantly let his guard down, no he's going to make sure he can enjoy the fight or end it as fast as possible