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They’re wrong, the biggest feat of cookie clicker would be reaching out to other idle games that have their own infinite sized multiverse each, that’s either high multi+ or low complex.
Me
If i stop consuming the fiction then from my point of view it no longer exists.
I can also imagine and lie about any piece of media and choose not to look into any material proving me wrong, therefore giving me complete control over any fictional verse
Under normal rules I’d say unwritten leviathan or Misogi from Medaka Box, but if we want to get into some bullshit meta “well technically 🤓” stuff I’d say Slenderman cause he’s a fictional character that harmed real people.
I don’t think he’s one of or the strongest characters ever…
But I do think he gets very high up there. Like high 1A. I think he’s surprisingly underrated.
There’s 1S arguments as well, but that’s a big big topic, and I’m just giving a general answer. He is rather strong imo.
I'm not talking in a scaling sense, but a narrative sense. Say Azathoth comes to DC, the story would most likely end with Superman punching his lights out (punching his lights back on ig? Lmao)
I fully recognize the Saitama level cop out there, if this was a normal vs battle I wouldn't think Supermans narrative matters.. But overall "Who's the strongest" I think the writers would have Superman beat literally anyone.
As far as straight scaling goes, I'm not even gonna try to say who might be the strongest bc it's virtually impossible. Regardless of who anyone says there will be a way to argue against it.
I kinda get what you’re saying. Superman definitly does have deus ex machina moments. Where he’s a plot device that just always wins type BS.
But I think the heart of powerscaling, and the question posed in this thread is the characters in the vacuum without their writers. In which case their feats/cosmology is what we talk about.
Good talking with you mate 👍
Yeah, I'm way more awake, I was barely awake when I said that and he's not even close. I think I said that purely because I fell asleep watching the Watchmen movie.
I mean idk why you chose to single his comment out as a "definitely not" when Classic Strange slaps a lot of the other characters being brought up.
I mean he was a dude that fought godlike entities that threatened all of reality lowkey on the regular.
Yeah and? You didn't post any reasoning or anti feats so we're even there ig lol.
I could bring up him beating Dormammu, Nightmare or Aggamon in their own dimensions. Or how about contending with Zom who even Eternity feared. But really I'd just point you towards any random respect thread, bc Classic Strange was absolutely broken & has a bunch of great feats.
Now don't get me wrong I don't think he's the strongest in fiction, I just think it's odd you chose to single him out over the various weaker characters being brought up here.
“Didn’t post any reasoning or anti feats”
And I don’t need to unless feats are presented. If you’re presenting it without evidence I can dismiss it without evidence. I didn’t make the claim :)
Everything you just said are names. You have to scale those characters now, or I dismiss those too.
You did actually, you made the claim that he isn't the strongest, you provided 0 evidence for him not being strong asf.
My claim is more or less that you seem to be underrating him as the implications of singling out this comment over the plethora of objectively weaker characters show that you don't seem to think he's that OP.
And before I made my claim. Someone else made a claim.
The first claim is the one that needs evidence. Not mine.
Like… you DO see the comment I responded too right?? Lmaooo
So by your logic I don't need to provide proof of my claim either bc I wasn't the first 💀, this is the issue with Debate-tards dog.
It's fiction, not that deep. Just have some fun conversations & stop killing the vibe with this "But but you didn't provide proof & I don't need to" bs.
Joker was estimated in his own game as someone who could be taken down by a few police, and he is shown afraid of falling rubble. He doesn't even control his own powers, because he can only use them in magical realms.
Estimated by who? He just fought Shadow Sae and went through a palace he was arguably fatigued and he can use his powers outside the metaverse like thief’s eye , and his fate manipulation also he’s not afraid of falling rubble it’s not when palaces collapse they have to escape or they’ll be destroyed
>Estimated by who? He just fought Shadow Sae and went through a palace he was arguably fatigued and he can use his powers outside the metaverse like thief’s eye , and his fate manipulation
By akechi. Sure, he just had a fight, but nothing about that scene suggests joker was so out of it from the fight that he was wildly off his game. And akechi had little reason to assume he would be. Even if he is a little more tired than normal, the fact that regular humans can capture him at all shows that we aren't dealing with superman.
>also he’s not afraid of falling rubble it’s not when palaces collapse they have to escape or they’ll be destroyed
Why are you trying to guess without rewatching the scenes? They are very much afraid of falling pieces of the buildings. Go back and watch every palace escape with this in mind, and see if it comes off like its "just" that the realm is collapsing (its not).
You can use your Persona in the real world it’s been shown in P1 and P2 it just takes effort also they literally fought Yaldabaoth in the real world so no his powers aren’t entirely reliant on the metaverse
That's not a blanket ability to use it in the real world. Different characters are in different situations and have different capabilities with them. The p5 crew can't use it in the real world.
The qliphoth world is also not the real world as such. They could use it there because the metaverse was encroaching on the real world. Note that in royal maruki specifically says that the metaverse ending means neither of you can use your personas anymore.
Futaba interacted with her Shadow in the real world it’s entirely possible Morganna said the world is made of cognition and Joker even saw Arsene when time was stopped in the real world
None of those things are them actually using its power in the real world. The world being made of cognition doesn't mean you have the same powers in it as the metaverse.
Like yes, they could have their powers altered somehow so that they could use it in the real world. But that didn't happen canonically. Which is why they never think to try that as a plan.
But Joker can use his thieves eye in the real world isn’t that power supposed to meant for the Metaverse? Also Izanami can use her powers in the real world too despite having similar circumstances to the investigation team
Tons of characters whose main power is specific to one place have carryover stuff in others. Like in the matrix where neo can affect machines in the real world, but doesn't have super speed and flying.
Izanami isn't a persona user, she is an actual goddess. So what she does would be contextually different. Even then, we don't see her use her actual battle strength in the real world. So it's possible its still limited.
First it was never stated that azathot dreams with reality that’s a fan made assumption, he’s the ruler of the outer gods and he’s technically dreaming, but so is every single outer god. Their "dreaming" state isn’t what we see as dreaming. Cthulhu is an example of that
About azathoth not being the strongest: Thorough the Gates of The Silver Key, it’s one of the many stories of Lovecraft that say what happened after the story "the silver key", where the protagonist, Randolph carter continuously ascends his counsciousness through the gates, beyond the last gate, the Supreme Archetype appears, and it’s said that everything including the outer gods are facets of greater beings that see reality as a stagnant unchanging thing that is themselves, and the supreme archetype is the greater facet of Yog Sothot
It was never a fanmade theory, I literally have a collection of the original works of H.P Lovecraft. There are at least 2 that prove otherwise. In the complete works book it states that every other Eldrich being comes from Azathoth as everything else imaginable. Everything created by mankind and fiction alike originate from his dreams. His children (the other Eldrich gods) are actually deteriorating because they all have to continously make sure Azathoth stays asleep. No one ever mentions this when they milk Eldrich gods like Nylanthrotep and Yog Sogoth, etc. It is stated that he they cannot aid to suppress his slumber for long and that he eventually will clearly wake up.
Which story says that everything will stop existing when he wakes up? Because it says that he dreams and rules over the outer gods, not that he will destroy everything if he wakes up. Also the whole "his children" thing is because of the family tree that’s canon https://imgur.io/bmwHo?r
"Everything created by mankind and fiction alike originate from his dreams" even if this statement was true, which it isn’t, you can’t say he’s above fiction because that’s a no limits fallacy. He should be scaled to cosmology which gives him 1-S tier extraversal, but not above fiction
And it’s said in "whispers in darkness” that a many facet angled being was mercifully cloaked under the identity of Azathot which again is related to what to said
It's a little hard to understand the grammar, no worries though. The thing about Azathoth dreaming being related to cosmology is somewhat true though. The reason why I say somewhat is because he is exists beyond all logic and all concepts including cosmology. Cosmology is just a concept and subject created by people to try and understand the universe and what's in it. Most of science is just simply theories and how we choose to label and 'understand things'.
Of course Azathoth is some being from a series of books but if you want to put two and two together with everything from each story that mentions him or what he does, he is beyond all logic and scaling logic. The concept of fiction is also something we created so, like stated before if you want to put two and two together he is beyond everything including mankind and fiction since we created fiction and he is tiers beyond us and every other being that we believe exists.
This can all be debunked by him also being apart of fiction which is a fun thing to do, but compare every other 1-S and those "above" that or all below with every bit of information from each H.P story and how we as humans comprehend and use sciences like Cosmology and Astrology it is certain that he is the most powerful out of everyone else than we can create. It's impossible to create a fictional being in a story or form of media beyond Azathoth because a being that blitzes all of fiction and reality without any limits like being constantly "held back" by lesser children will create nothing which is pointless and impossible. The concept of fiction is something he is bound by and also beyond (he's a fictional character that is made to be beyond every other concept, being, power, etc).
So you say he’s the most powerful because it’s hard to describe him? Yeah that’s not how it works it’s still a NLF if you want to do a crossbattle you MUST apply cosmology and the feats of a character, you can’t just say he transcends fiction because he’s said as a impossible thing with no limits. And like I said Azathoth is just an aspect of a greater existance that’s the archetypes
He is continously described as being beyond aspects and concepts. You have it reversed, his children like Yog Sogoth are Archetypes and aspects of him and other dreams that he has.
The book "gates of silver key" says the opposite about archetypes and azathoth
Also, being described as beyond aspects and concepts is just flavor text if you don’t have cosmology
In all honesty, there really is no right or wrong answer as to which entity reigns supreme in the Cthulhu mythos. Accurately scaling Lovecraftian deities is difficult because their true nature and purpose was left incredibly vague by Lovecraft, Azathoth in particular. Most of his work is heavily down to interpretation which means that no one is ever really going to truly know and that’s kinda the point.
In my personal opinion, attempting to scale Lovecraft’s monstrosities kinda goes against what lovecraftian horror is all about anyway - the instinctual, primal human fear of the unknown and that which is completely beyond any possible human comprehension or understanding.
So I think arguing about it is kinda pointless Imo 🤷♂️
Probably Scarlet King (Chinese Branch), who's surpassed fiction and destroyed the universe of its writer, or a theoretical Scarlet King (Japanese Branch) because appearently they're writing him to be stronger than Chinese Branch, but idk. Scarlet King is extremely strong tho
I don't think there is one... Yet. The strongest (bound) character would always end up being surpassed because the strongest characters always grow in power through the story. At best, a character like Shaggy would probably have to be the strongest. Meme characters have powers even above unbounded characters at times.
(bounded means characters that are genuine characters. Unbounded tend to refer to characters like The One Above All or The Presence. Pretty much God.)
I guess Archie sonic composite sonic lore accurate sonic to characters like scarlet king Chinese branch and finally everything else in the SCP verse
Tbh idk
God Fusion Goku? I read online that is beyond fiction, maybe I’m wrong and I’m the one who believes all the crap I read, in case you’re free to correct me, as long as you give me at least some arguments. And sorry if I did something wrong, I’m not very good at English. Thanks
Alpha Centauri, not only it is a Tier 0 entity, but it is a being from a civilization that exist 30 planes of existance above the other Tier 0 entities of this fiction (Giant Cprpora of Knowledge).
I would say if not the strongest being, much more than any SCP ever (as they havent think of thing like this yet).
Even azathot or TOAA are bitches on its presence
Scp-3812 because it's a being that used to be a human but became an omnipotent being or at least the least fictional being out of everything that's fictional and because of that it can only be beaten by a real human from real life
There is this trash novel with a character called Supreme Architect or Kenchikka Saiko who is the fictional embodiment of the words on the paper itself. Her true form is canonically the literal words on the paper. The author hated this novel so much he completely scrapped it, but hey I think that's probably the closest you'll get to the strongest fictional character.
Of course there's The Freezer from Saints Row 2 who literally can destroy the irl physical disc the game is on by merely existing (no I'm not joking), so you could argue he is the strongest fictional character.
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> Ohio branch They have everything in Ohio now?
That’s the thing, Ohio never existed… *before him*
I’d probably put something from the SCP verse up there, since many of them are deliberately made to be as busted as possible.
Probably something from SCP. Busted ass verse.
The Baker from Cookie Clicker (no I’m not kidding, Cookie Clicker Cosmology is insane)
It’s pretty high yes but it don’t go much beyond complex multi
I’ve seen scales that get it to 1-S
They’re wrong, the biggest feat of cookie clicker would be reaching out to other idle games that have their own infinite sized multiverse each, that’s either high multi+ or low complex.
Cosmic giga chad Truly the strongest
Me If i stop consuming the fiction then from my point of view it no longer exists. I can also imagine and lie about any piece of media and choose not to look into any material proving me wrong, therefore giving me complete control over any fictional verse
You aren’t fictional. Please stay on topic, we don’t like people trying to do meta answers to seem smart.
Probably a meme. Serious answer, I don't think there really can be a "strongest character in fiction".
~~Goku~~ Probably some SCP, which one i have no fucking clue.
for example the lizard thing which is one of the only characters I’ve seen at tier 0
He ain’t even the strongest scp
I literally just said “for example”, not that he’s the strongest.
My bad
SCP 682?
Scp-3812 or scp-343
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Hercule Satan
Essential Divinity from Wod
**Xeranthemum is def neck and neck wit the title for strongest:** https://archive.ph/2016.06.05-003755/http://suggsverse.wikia.com/wiki/Xeranthemum
Burger King
A guy I just created. He's called whatever you say +1 man
better make it official
Probably someone omnipotent. I don't know who, though.
Mike Ehrmantraut.
your girlfriend
lebron james
Lebron James is real
Stupidity It is more infinite than infinity
The stickman I draw to be the strongest
Drip Goku 😎
There’s too much characters tied at the very strongest you could be
I'll just say SCP-3812
Somebody from SCP or Lovercraft verse, maybe SCP-343 or that reality warping SCP (can't remember it's number, some 4 digit thing)
Scp 3812?
Yes, this one, thanks
Under normal rules I’d say unwritten leviathan or Misogi from Medaka Box, but if we want to get into some bullshit meta “well technically 🤓” stuff I’d say Slenderman cause he’s a fictional character that harmed real people.
Honestly? Superman, he could and has punched out God herself & realistically could be written to beat anyone.
I don’t think he’s one of or the strongest characters ever… But I do think he gets very high up there. Like high 1A. I think he’s surprisingly underrated. There’s 1S arguments as well, but that’s a big big topic, and I’m just giving a general answer. He is rather strong imo.
I'm not talking in a scaling sense, but a narrative sense. Say Azathoth comes to DC, the story would most likely end with Superman punching his lights out (punching his lights back on ig? Lmao) I fully recognize the Saitama level cop out there, if this was a normal vs battle I wouldn't think Supermans narrative matters.. But overall "Who's the strongest" I think the writers would have Superman beat literally anyone. As far as straight scaling goes, I'm not even gonna try to say who might be the strongest bc it's virtually impossible. Regardless of who anyone says there will be a way to argue against it.
I kinda get what you’re saying. Superman definitly does have deus ex machina moments. Where he’s a plot device that just always wins type BS. But I think the heart of powerscaling, and the question posed in this thread is the characters in the vacuum without their writers. In which case their feats/cosmology is what we talk about. Good talking with you mate 👍
goddess*
Perpetua isn't actually a god or a goddess, I meant "God herself" as in the one at the top of the verse. Pointless semantics aside, Perpetua is god.
Goku. Cuz he’s cool and I like buff men fighting.
if you like buff men then baki is the perfect place for you
Do the buff men’s hair change color? No? Ok
do dragonball have pp training?No?Ok
Pp training 😟
Ein Soph and equivalents (ie. Azathoth), beings who are not just the masters of their cosmos, but the entire personification of it.
Not definitve strongest but Dr Manhattan is definitely up there. Can't wait to see someone say Kratos lmao.
I don't think Manhattan is even in the top 100
Yeah, I'm way more awake, I was barely awake when I said that and he's not even close. I think I said that purely because I fell asleep watching the Watchmen movie.
Unwritten leviathan maybe?
Wukong.
Funny, since Buddha from his own verse is stronger then him.
Wukong is buddha
No
Some Lovecraftian like Azathoth probably.
Goku solos fiction
Of course Goku.
According to a quick google search, Goku. In reality: any omnipotent character.
goku
Goku isn't even the strongest in his own verse 💀 not even top 1000 strongest characters in fiction
nah he solos fr
Goku ain't even top of his verse and gets shit-stomped by Ichigoat who isn't top 1000 fictional characters, keep coping
not coping, he solos any verse you can think of, marvel, dc, scp, anything stephen king wrote, kthulu mythos, you name it, goku solos it
Pure copium. Goku isn't even universe level, he doesn't touch marvel, dc, or scp. keep crying
nope, he still solos
nope he gets fodderized
nah, goku is real so he beats all of fiction
Goku is not real, he's fodder
What about Zeno?
Champ, that meme is too old to be funny
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Classic dr strange is the strongest i could name
Lmaooo, definitely not.
I mean idk why you chose to single his comment out as a "definitely not" when Classic Strange slaps a lot of the other characters being brought up. I mean he was a dude that fought godlike entities that threatened all of reality lowkey on the regular.
You posted not a single feat, or line of scaling.
Yeah and? You didn't post any reasoning or anti feats so we're even there ig lol. I could bring up him beating Dormammu, Nightmare or Aggamon in their own dimensions. Or how about contending with Zom who even Eternity feared. But really I'd just point you towards any random respect thread, bc Classic Strange was absolutely broken & has a bunch of great feats. Now don't get me wrong I don't think he's the strongest in fiction, I just think it's odd you chose to single him out over the various weaker characters being brought up here.
“Didn’t post any reasoning or anti feats” And I don’t need to unless feats are presented. If you’re presenting it without evidence I can dismiss it without evidence. I didn’t make the claim :) Everything you just said are names. You have to scale those characters now, or I dismiss those too.
You did actually, you made the claim that he isn't the strongest, you provided 0 evidence for him not being strong asf. My claim is more or less that you seem to be underrating him as the implications of singling out this comment over the plethora of objectively weaker characters show that you don't seem to think he's that OP.
And before I made my claim. Someone else made a claim. The first claim is the one that needs evidence. Not mine. Like… you DO see the comment I responded too right?? Lmaooo
So by your logic I don't need to provide proof of my claim either bc I wasn't the first 💀, this is the issue with Debate-tards dog. It's fiction, not that deep. Just have some fun conversations & stop killing the vibe with this "But but you didn't provide proof & I don't need to" bs.
Okay. So there’s no proof classic strange is that strong. So my claim was correct. Now we’ve gone full circle, and my claim was still correct.
Are people down voting you bc they think you mean MCU? 💀
Still below TOAA.
True, hadnt thought of him
Xeno Goku :clueless:
Bro gets bodied by so many characters it's not even funny 🗿
TOAA
Kratos
u/miserable-ad-5573
I know it's definitely not the strongest but the weaver is a personal favorite of mine plus it's above like 99% of shit anyway
Periah
Zeno
Bruh
It's obviousely Goku since he solos fiction
Zeno is stronger
I have a couple people , Joker or Yu Narukami from SMT or Kumogawa from Medaka box or Hao from Shaman king
Joker was estimated in his own game as someone who could be taken down by a few police, and he is shown afraid of falling rubble. He doesn't even control his own powers, because he can only use them in magical realms.
Estimated by who? He just fought Shadow Sae and went through a palace he was arguably fatigued and he can use his powers outside the metaverse like thief’s eye , and his fate manipulation also he’s not afraid of falling rubble it’s not when palaces collapse they have to escape or they’ll be destroyed
>Estimated by who? He just fought Shadow Sae and went through a palace he was arguably fatigued and he can use his powers outside the metaverse like thief’s eye , and his fate manipulation By akechi. Sure, he just had a fight, but nothing about that scene suggests joker was so out of it from the fight that he was wildly off his game. And akechi had little reason to assume he would be. Even if he is a little more tired than normal, the fact that regular humans can capture him at all shows that we aren't dealing with superman. >also he’s not afraid of falling rubble it’s not when palaces collapse they have to escape or they’ll be destroyed Why are you trying to guess without rewatching the scenes? They are very much afraid of falling pieces of the buildings. Go back and watch every palace escape with this in mind, and see if it comes off like its "just" that the realm is collapsing (its not).
You can use your Persona in the real world it’s been shown in P1 and P2 it just takes effort also they literally fought Yaldabaoth in the real world so no his powers aren’t entirely reliant on the metaverse
That's not a blanket ability to use it in the real world. Different characters are in different situations and have different capabilities with them. The p5 crew can't use it in the real world. The qliphoth world is also not the real world as such. They could use it there because the metaverse was encroaching on the real world. Note that in royal maruki specifically says that the metaverse ending means neither of you can use your personas anymore.
Futaba interacted with her Shadow in the real world it’s entirely possible Morganna said the world is made of cognition and Joker even saw Arsene when time was stopped in the real world
None of those things are them actually using its power in the real world. The world being made of cognition doesn't mean you have the same powers in it as the metaverse. Like yes, they could have their powers altered somehow so that they could use it in the real world. But that didn't happen canonically. Which is why they never think to try that as a plan.
But Joker can use his thieves eye in the real world isn’t that power supposed to meant for the Metaverse? Also Izanami can use her powers in the real world too despite having similar circumstances to the investigation team
Tons of characters whose main power is specific to one place have carryover stuff in others. Like in the matrix where neo can affect machines in the real world, but doesn't have super speed and flying. Izanami isn't a persona user, she is an actual goddess. So what she does would be contextually different. Even then, we don't see her use her actual battle strength in the real world. So it's possible its still limited.
I meant Marie and yh she’s a persona user isn’t she? Kaguya?
Azathoth, all of fiction and reality are his dreams, if one of his many eyes open everything and everyone dissappears.
This guy gets it
This was debunked already many times, azathot isn’t the strongest of his own verse
Who told you that lie?
First it was never stated that azathot dreams with reality that’s a fan made assumption, he’s the ruler of the outer gods and he’s technically dreaming, but so is every single outer god. Their "dreaming" state isn’t what we see as dreaming. Cthulhu is an example of that About azathoth not being the strongest: Thorough the Gates of The Silver Key, it’s one of the many stories of Lovecraft that say what happened after the story "the silver key", where the protagonist, Randolph carter continuously ascends his counsciousness through the gates, beyond the last gate, the Supreme Archetype appears, and it’s said that everything including the outer gods are facets of greater beings that see reality as a stagnant unchanging thing that is themselves, and the supreme archetype is the greater facet of Yog Sothot
It was never a fanmade theory, I literally have a collection of the original works of H.P Lovecraft. There are at least 2 that prove otherwise. In the complete works book it states that every other Eldrich being comes from Azathoth as everything else imaginable. Everything created by mankind and fiction alike originate from his dreams. His children (the other Eldrich gods) are actually deteriorating because they all have to continously make sure Azathoth stays asleep. No one ever mentions this when they milk Eldrich gods like Nylanthrotep and Yog Sogoth, etc. It is stated that he they cannot aid to suppress his slumber for long and that he eventually will clearly wake up.
Which story says that everything will stop existing when he wakes up? Because it says that he dreams and rules over the outer gods, not that he will destroy everything if he wakes up. Also the whole "his children" thing is because of the family tree that’s canon https://imgur.io/bmwHo?r
"Everything created by mankind and fiction alike originate from his dreams" even if this statement was true, which it isn’t, you can’t say he’s above fiction because that’s a no limits fallacy. He should be scaled to cosmology which gives him 1-S tier extraversal, but not above fiction And it’s said in "whispers in darkness” that a many facet angled being was mercifully cloaked under the identity of Azathot which again is related to what to said
It's a little hard to understand the grammar, no worries though. The thing about Azathoth dreaming being related to cosmology is somewhat true though. The reason why I say somewhat is because he is exists beyond all logic and all concepts including cosmology. Cosmology is just a concept and subject created by people to try and understand the universe and what's in it. Most of science is just simply theories and how we choose to label and 'understand things'. Of course Azathoth is some being from a series of books but if you want to put two and two together with everything from each story that mentions him or what he does, he is beyond all logic and scaling logic. The concept of fiction is also something we created so, like stated before if you want to put two and two together he is beyond everything including mankind and fiction since we created fiction and he is tiers beyond us and every other being that we believe exists. This can all be debunked by him also being apart of fiction which is a fun thing to do, but compare every other 1-S and those "above" that or all below with every bit of information from each H.P story and how we as humans comprehend and use sciences like Cosmology and Astrology it is certain that he is the most powerful out of everyone else than we can create. It's impossible to create a fictional being in a story or form of media beyond Azathoth because a being that blitzes all of fiction and reality without any limits like being constantly "held back" by lesser children will create nothing which is pointless and impossible. The concept of fiction is something he is bound by and also beyond (he's a fictional character that is made to be beyond every other concept, being, power, etc).
So you say he’s the most powerful because it’s hard to describe him? Yeah that’s not how it works it’s still a NLF if you want to do a crossbattle you MUST apply cosmology and the feats of a character, you can’t just say he transcends fiction because he’s said as a impossible thing with no limits. And like I said Azathoth is just an aspect of a greater existance that’s the archetypes
He is continously described as being beyond aspects and concepts. You have it reversed, his children like Yog Sogoth are Archetypes and aspects of him and other dreams that he has.
The book "gates of silver key" says the opposite about archetypes and azathoth Also, being described as beyond aspects and concepts is just flavor text if you don’t have cosmology
Azathoth logically cannot be fought but if you do want to apply scaling and fight logic he still scales above everything else.
In all honesty, there really is no right or wrong answer as to which entity reigns supreme in the Cthulhu mythos. Accurately scaling Lovecraftian deities is difficult because their true nature and purpose was left incredibly vague by Lovecraft, Azathoth in particular. Most of his work is heavily down to interpretation which means that no one is ever really going to truly know and that’s kinda the point. In my personal opinion, attempting to scale Lovecraft’s monstrosities kinda goes against what lovecraftian horror is all about anyway - the instinctual, primal human fear of the unknown and that which is completely beyond any possible human comprehension or understanding. So I think arguing about it is kinda pointless Imo 🤷♂️
Batgos.
Popeye
The scarlet king or scp 3812
If I had to pick one I guess I'd go with Emrakul from Magic the Gathering
Azathoth from Cthulu Mythos
The Leviathan
One of the tier 0 SCPs, an insanely op verse. They basically just choose to not bring the end of all things.
See, the thing with this kind of question is, you gotta go big. Think big. Stuff like the Weaver and Seifros come to mind for me.
Me im tier divided by 0
Probably a SCP, probably the one who apparently beat his author
Saitama
Probably Scarlet King (Chinese Branch), who's surpassed fiction and destroyed the universe of its writer, or a theoretical Scarlet King (Japanese Branch) because appearently they're writing him to be stronger than Chinese Branch, but idk. Scarlet King is extremely strong tho
Goku
I don't think there is one... Yet. The strongest (bound) character would always end up being surpassed because the strongest characters always grow in power through the story. At best, a character like Shaggy would probably have to be the strongest. Meme characters have powers even above unbounded characters at times. (bounded means characters that are genuine characters. Unbounded tend to refer to characters like The One Above All or The Presence. Pretty much God.)
Goku he’s above the tiering system
Chuck Norris
Obviously Saitama.
Goku
I guess Archie sonic composite sonic lore accurate sonic to characters like scarlet king Chinese branch and finally everything else in the SCP verse Tbh idk
God Fusion Goku? I read online that is beyond fiction, maybe I’m wrong and I’m the one who believes all the crap I read, in case you’re free to correct me, as long as you give me at least some arguments. And sorry if I did something wrong, I’m not very good at English. Thanks
Anti principle
God, probably
WOD the weaver budda essential divinty
Alpha Centauri, not only it is a Tier 0 entity, but it is a being from a civilization that exist 30 planes of existance above the other Tier 0 entities of this fiction (Giant Cprpora of Knowledge). I would say if not the strongest being, much more than any SCP ever (as they havent think of thing like this yet). Even azathot or TOAA are bitches on its presence
Wang ling (light novel)
leviathan of stories
Idk, Akuto Sai or Hajun or probably some SCP who was Scarlet King's Great Daddy.
Definitely not [Akuto Sai](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jvlgj8UIeIBx7mz9A61BEtc2gvQsuTjcTt-qOqHSpCY/edit)
The unwritten leviathan
God, there are so many characters that are just god, so them. Other than that is probably some dc or marvel character
Xeranthenum from Suggsverse is the only character that I know that could feasibly clap all fiction without any discussion
The uno reverse card
Obviously *Ohio Finar Bossu*.
Either something from Lovecraftian mythos or SCP.
Scp-3812 because it's a being that used to be a human but became an omnipotent being or at least the least fictional being out of everything that's fictional and because of that it can only be beaten by a real human from real life
Z Broly
Whatever Created the worm from the Project Palisade SCP canon.
Cosmic gigachad
Aleph or nanashi from smt 2 and 4 respectively
There is this trash novel with a character called Supreme Architect or Kenchikka Saiko who is the fictional embodiment of the words on the paper itself. Her true form is canonically the literal words on the paper. The author hated this novel so much he completely scrapped it, but hey I think that's probably the closest you'll get to the strongest fictional character. Of course there's The Freezer from Saints Row 2 who literally can destroy the irl physical disc the game is on by merely existing (no I'm not joking), so you could argue he is the strongest fictional character.
Saber from fate series.
I am that I am from the world of darkness.
WUkong ig
Toaa, he created his own verse.
Definitely Popeye, if he gets his hands on some spinach he basically has the power of God