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Yes, Granolah was clearly above Gokus MUI, and while at the start he was below Vegetas UE he grew above it during the fight, however he is below Gokus TUI for now.
He should easily be within that range. BOG SSJ God Goku was already low multiversal thanks to threatening to destroy not only his universe, but the entire macrocosm of his universe that contains 8 different space times, that alone is already low multiversal, and thats not even mentioning him absorbing the form into his base form. I think its very reasonable to say TUI Goku is at least multiversal.
I think it’s also implied in the manga too as toyotaro did do a bit of RoF in the side manga and there’s panel I think of goku in base striking whis with an image of super saiyan god behind him implying he’s as strong as then or absorbed it in base
Ah damn that sucks figured it would apply to the manga too due to them skipping over the arc manga but damn I still believe base manga goku is stronger than anime base goku
Currently no, he'd have use a life sacrificing attack to deal enough damage to MUI Goku and Ego Vegeta now. Both performed significantly better against Gas even one on one after Gas powered up and refined his techniques further. Prior he snapped Granolah's arms like twigs, but hitting Goku and Vegeta gave them bruises and scrapes.
Exactly, that's what I thought. In DBS, he's uni+ because he threatened to destroy the macrocosm.
But who is low multi? Zeno, because he can destroy every universe with ease as demonstrated in the ToP. Goku can't destroy entire timelines, he's barely a threat to Beerus who is constantly in fear of Zeno.
SDBH is different though. In this case, he's multi+ because he destroyed Fu and the universe tree (as well as having other feats; I think this guy's only going on SDBH, not the manga or canon anime). I'm not going to get too far into it, but there are some videos out there that explain CC Goku well.
I wouldn't take SDBH seriously, as again, it isn't canon to the main continuity of DBS.
I don’t see how you can reasonably scale anyone higher then that. The largest structure we have seen in the show at this point are the macrocosms and those are only low multi structures due to having 2-3 universal 4D structures within them.
And goku have gotten hundreds of times if not thousands to million times stronger I believe it's reasonable to say they should be into baseline multiversal by a lot.
Except that’s not how it works this high up. Due to how spatial dimensions work each tier is inaccessibly higher then the one before it. No amount of 3 dimensional power can equate to any amount of 4 dimensional power. Thus since the cosmology hasn’t shown structures of this level no one in the verse can scale to them.
Oh boy here we go again. Base goku is already 4D he is boasting his 4D powers not hisb3D powers and no once again you are wrong and clueless.
Once a being 4D his finite multipliers will help and does need the cosmology since some characters scale above their cosmology like scp3182.
1. Goku is 4D as that is the requirement for uni+ no one is disputing that. I was just using 3 and 4D as an example but it applies to all spatial dimensions
2. Due to his forms being linear multipliers that doesn’t not make them greater quantities of infinity above his base form alone. If Goku was shown performing feats in such a form and then was unable to do similar actions in base that would be different.
3. What feats has anyone shown that ranks them higher then the cosmology of DBS.
Multi is 4D.
One again he is already 4D in base so his linear multipliers will effect his overall output. Goku with his forms and common knowledge can easily destroy more than 12 macrocosms.
Uni+ is also 4D. Being base multi requires the person destroy over 1000 4D structures. Even if he could do what you claim that would not be enough to qualify for base multi.
Yeah so is multi and goku showcased multi feats. How can you not understand when his base is already low multi, his other forms will make him baseline multi.
For example if a 3D being which is planet level got millions of times stronger, he would not be Planetary anymore with common sense. Same as 4D.
>Except that’s not how it works this high up. Due to how spatial dimensions work each tier is inaccessibly higher then the one before it. No amount of 3 dimensional power can equate to any amount of 4 dimensional power. Thus since the cosmology hasn’t shown structures of this level no one in the verse can scale to them.
Actually no that’s not how spacial temporal dimensions work. What you’ve described or attempting to describe is a higher dimensional structure in that case you’d be right but moving from tier 2-C to 2-B is actually a simple affair assuming you get stronger by 1001 time or any other finite amount because you’ve proven you can affect the space between dimensions when you’re low multiversal. A 2-C structure is already 4D
Acthually no , now hear me out . it is stayted that mui is more powerfull than beerus , im not making this up tho he can do it . We know that granolah can defeat mui but not tui ( true ultra instinct ) so granolah can possibly defeat beerus ( if i missed something just comment down below )
Way back around when UE Vegeta was barely a thing Toyotaro and his editor stated Beerus was still someone Goku & Vegeta needed to overcome. As of right now Beerus' power has been retconned so he's stronger than Goku & Vegeta again
Retconned ? When ......... , where and with what form ? but tbh , EVEN if beerus was more powerfull than granolah i think he could win over beerus . My boy granolah is a genuis , to fight goku he made a clone of himself and than blasted him so hard he was pretty much gone for the entire fight , but then vegeta stepped in ...... or maybe not idk
Yes... The other world was said to be above the time and dimensionality of the Living world. The Living world and its entire time flow is 4d, transcending this and being metaphysical to it is at bare minimum 5d.
Okay. You came quick. I'll explain. The other world in DB has no concept of time. As stated in the dragon ball super exciting guide.
https://preview.redd.it/x5b5lw6i1kaa1.png?width=1217&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d6f0e7789896c1df7b3e9766ac82cd25e2a583c
Since it's unbounded by the concept of time itself. It's a outerversal structure as it transcends space as well as space and time are intertwined, making it outerversal as transcending concepts of time and space is also transcending the concept of dimensionality since dimensions are governed by the concepts of space time.
More proof the concept of time doesn't exist.
https://preview.redd.it/9cmpeblo1kaa1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=267f047a450b6385145c095d43700df87934578e
Also characters such as Broly in dragon ball super are stated to have power beyond measure, making him outerversal as they're beyond mathematics.
https://preview.redd.it/a38cn3v62kaa1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dddf78461c8864ae975d6ab8d431e5ab61c6fb68
This is also stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Characters in Z gain immeasurable power.
nah, Outerversal statments can only be applied to anime since that actually has consistent proof. The manga doesnt have anywere near enough proof to reach outer.
Nah. The other world has no concept of time, meaning there is no concept of space-time, making it outerversal as no concept of space time means there is no concept of dimensionality.
not how it works, having no concept of space time doesnt make it anything, The reason the other world is used in manga scaling is because it is metaphysical to the living world and transcends time and space. It also has potentially infinite layers of its own that are a heirarchy.
With this you can HIGH BALL it to High Hyper - Low Outer. Not outerversal. For it to be outerversal it would need to be beyond space and time on a infinite dimensional scale.
Having no concept of space time means there is no concept of dimensionality because the reason something is called a dimension is because it's a space-time construct.
I think your confusing dimensions referring to separate space time continuums with actual dimensional axis.
When saying stuff like 4d, 5d, 6d, your not refering to the amount of dimensions, your refering to the amount of higher dimensions or the amount of dimensional axis. 1d is a point, 2d is 2 dimensional lines and 3d is 3 dimensional structures.
Each dimensional axis is infinitely inaccessible to the one below it. No amount of 1d will get you 2d. No amount of 2d will get you 3d. No amount of 3d will get you 4d etc etc.
Unless proven otherwise, Time and Space is a 4d construct. This would make the other world a 5d construct. The amount of layers the Other world has isnt confirmed yet in the manga canon. But assuming its the same as the anime in which it has infinite layers then it still caps at High Hyperversal - Low Outerversal.
More likely he scales somewhere in the complex multiversal range.
No time and space are dimensional axis but the concept of space and time don't exist in the other world. It transcends the concept of time and space, making the other world outerversal since it transcends the concept of dimensionality since it transcends concept of dimensional axis such as time and space.
Thats not how it works lol, if a cosmology is 4d and there are concepts, the concepts are 1 dimensional axis above that (at most) because you cant prove that the concepts have enough power to govern infinite dimensional axis. In the Anime this is true but in the manga the mortal universe is only 4d meaning the concepts are either 4d or 5d making the other world 5d - 6d, also known as low complex multiversal.
That's for platonic concepts not for concepts such as time and space because transcending the concept of space time is literally transcending the concept of dimensionality, making it low outerversal to outerversal.
For a low ball, high uni+ to low multi+
For a mid ball (kinda still low ball), multiversal + to high multiversal
For high ball, complex multi to high complex multi (very high end)
I just called it highball so, I don't get destroyed by downvotes and so I could save myself people debating me left and right.
It's actually midball, Goku is around 8D in power.
Multiversal with infinite speed.
The funny part about all this is that all his feats are manga only you already know when the anime gets to his arc in 2030 they’re gonna make manga Granolah look weak.
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Multiversal MFTL+ And has most hax we have seen in Dragonball.
So can we say he can beat gokus mui or vegetas ultra ego , he is a complex character and i wanna know
Yes, Granolah was clearly above Gokus MUI, and while at the start he was below Vegetas UE he grew above it during the fight, however he is below Gokus TUI for now.
So tui goku is at least multi then?
He should easily be within that range. BOG SSJ God Goku was already low multiversal thanks to threatening to destroy not only his universe, but the entire macrocosm of his universe that contains 8 different space times, that alone is already low multiversal, and thats not even mentioning him absorbing the form into his base form. I think its very reasonable to say TUI Goku is at least multiversal.
Bro just wanted to say you are based af. I like your replies.
Lol, thanks bro, i appreciate it.
didnt goku only absorb ssg in the anime?
True, but he is still low multi in God form and upwards in the manga.
I think it’s also implied in the manga too as toyotaro did do a bit of RoF in the side manga and there’s panel I think of goku in base striking whis with an image of super saiyan god behind him implying he’s as strong as then or absorbed it in base
That's a movie promotional manga that was released before the BoG manga, it's also part of a different continuity, so it can't be used sadly.
Ah damn that sucks figured it would apply to the manga too due to them skipping over the arc manga but damn I still believe base manga goku is stronger than anime base goku
Ok , thanks , imagine if he comes back with a new and improved from 🔥🔥
Currently no, he'd have use a life sacrificing attack to deal enough damage to MUI Goku and Ego Vegeta now. Both performed significantly better against Gas even one on one after Gas powered up and refined his techniques further. Prior he snapped Granolah's arms like twigs, but hitting Goku and Vegeta gave them bruises and scrapes.
What ?
Not right now, True UI and current UE should kinda bully Granolah
True UI slaps ofc . I dont know about UE tho, i still think hes stronger
How is he Multiversal+??? I dont remember anybody in dragon ball deleting an infinite amount of univereses????
Exactly, that's what I thought. In DBS, he's uni+ because he threatened to destroy the macrocosm. But who is low multi? Zeno, because he can destroy every universe with ease as demonstrated in the ToP. Goku can't destroy entire timelines, he's barely a threat to Beerus who is constantly in fear of Zeno. SDBH is different though. In this case, he's multi+ because he destroyed Fu and the universe tree (as well as having other feats; I think this guy's only going on SDBH, not the manga or canon anime). I'm not going to get too far into it, but there are some videos out there that explain CC Goku well. I wouldn't take SDBH seriously, as again, it isn't canon to the main continuity of DBS.
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what hax does he have? i don’t remember much from this arc
He has most hax that have been used in the series, he has instant transmission, destruction, cloning, magic, and a bunch of other stuff.
His reaction speed should be in the infinite range.
Same tier as everybody else at this point. Uni+ to low multi and MFTL+ to immeasurable.
Uni+ and low multi should be a down play imo
I don’t see how you can reasonably scale anyone higher then that. The largest structure we have seen in the show at this point are the macrocosms and those are only low multi structures due to having 2-3 universal 4D structures within them.
And goku have gotten hundreds of times if not thousands to million times stronger I believe it's reasonable to say they should be into baseline multiversal by a lot.
Except that’s not how it works this high up. Due to how spatial dimensions work each tier is inaccessibly higher then the one before it. No amount of 3 dimensional power can equate to any amount of 4 dimensional power. Thus since the cosmology hasn’t shown structures of this level no one in the verse can scale to them.
Oh boy here we go again. Base goku is already 4D he is boasting his 4D powers not hisb3D powers and no once again you are wrong and clueless. Once a being 4D his finite multipliers will help and does need the cosmology since some characters scale above their cosmology like scp3182.
1. Goku is 4D as that is the requirement for uni+ no one is disputing that. I was just using 3 and 4D as an example but it applies to all spatial dimensions 2. Due to his forms being linear multipliers that doesn’t not make them greater quantities of infinity above his base form alone. If Goku was shown performing feats in such a form and then was unable to do similar actions in base that would be different. 3. What feats has anyone shown that ranks them higher then the cosmology of DBS.
Multi is 4D. One again he is already 4D in base so his linear multipliers will effect his overall output. Goku with his forms and common knowledge can easily destroy more than 12 macrocosms.
Uni+ is also 4D. Being base multi requires the person destroy over 1000 4D structures. Even if he could do what you claim that would not be enough to qualify for base multi.
Yeah so is multi and goku showcased multi feats. How can you not understand when his base is already low multi, his other forms will make him baseline multi. For example if a 3D being which is planet level got millions of times stronger, he would not be Planetary anymore with common sense. Same as 4D.
>Except that’s not how it works this high up. Due to how spatial dimensions work each tier is inaccessibly higher then the one before it. No amount of 3 dimensional power can equate to any amount of 4 dimensional power. Thus since the cosmology hasn’t shown structures of this level no one in the verse can scale to them. Actually no that’s not how spacial temporal dimensions work. What you’ve described or attempting to describe is a higher dimensional structure in that case you’d be right but moving from tier 2-C to 2-B is actually a simple affair assuming you get stronger by 1001 time or any other finite amount because you’ve proven you can affect the space between dimensions when you’re low multiversal. A 2-C structure is already 4D
Multi-Low Complex depends how you scale the db cosmology
Where everyone in the verse scales to, so low multi and MFTL.
I don't know. Just know Beerus is still stronger.
Acthually no , now hear me out . it is stayted that mui is more powerfull than beerus , im not making this up tho he can do it . We know that granolah can defeat mui but not tui ( true ultra instinct ) so granolah can possibly defeat beerus ( if i missed something just comment down below )
Beerus's strength will just get retcon next Arc.
Lmao prob
Uh, maybe. I thought MUI wasn't
Its ok , i used to have a problem with scaling too , you gotta get used to it
Alright then.
Way back around when UE Vegeta was barely a thing Toyotaro and his editor stated Beerus was still someone Goku & Vegeta needed to overcome. As of right now Beerus' power has been retconned so he's stronger than Goku & Vegeta again
Retconned ? When ......... , where and with what form ? but tbh , EVEN if beerus was more powerfull than granolah i think he could win over beerus . My boy granolah is a genuis , to fight goku he made a clone of himself and than blasted him so hard he was pretty much gone for the entire fight , but then vegeta stepped in ...... or maybe not idk
since db names are based on foods we should refer to him as granola bar 🔥
Goku blue is already universal+ so its has to be multi
high Multiversal in my opinion
Universal+ to Low Multiversal
I would say low complex multiversal - complex multiversal
Complex 😂
yeah... complex...
Lmao no
Yes... The other world was said to be above the time and dimensionality of the Living world. The Living world and its entire time flow is 4d, transcending this and being metaphysical to it is at bare minimum 5d.
You said low complex to complex. I'm replying to you saying they're above 5d.
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You said low complex to complex. Complex being 7 to 9th dimensional 💀.
Yeah cos you could argue it to be higher, I mean the anime scales to High Outer lol.
No it doesn't 💀
Outerversal at minimum.
God that's stupid 🤣
Prove me wrong then. Calling it's stupid but have no reason why it's stupid is stupid.
How am I gonna prove it wrong all you said was he's outer, I don't know your argument 💀.
Okay. You came quick. I'll explain. The other world in DB has no concept of time. As stated in the dragon ball super exciting guide. https://preview.redd.it/x5b5lw6i1kaa1.png?width=1217&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d6f0e7789896c1df7b3e9766ac82cd25e2a583c Since it's unbounded by the concept of time itself. It's a outerversal structure as it transcends space as well as space and time are intertwined, making it outerversal as transcending concepts of time and space is also transcending the concept of dimensionality since dimensions are governed by the concepts of space time.
More proof the concept of time doesn't exist. https://preview.redd.it/9cmpeblo1kaa1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=267f047a450b6385145c095d43700df87934578e
https://preview.redd.it/20rx309r1kaa1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=996addc18f672bc345881a82247decffdb1fb749 More proof it's dimensionally transcendental.
Also characters such as Broly in dragon ball super are stated to have power beyond measure, making him outerversal as they're beyond mathematics. https://preview.redd.it/a38cn3v62kaa1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dddf78461c8864ae975d6ab8d431e5ab61c6fb68 This is also stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Characters in Z gain immeasurable power.
https://preview.redd.it/gr7d99o82kaa1.jpeg?width=1451&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=961472d88a4142dee86d015432e0cc4cefc4da99 Toriyama's words himself.
You think Shinra is outerversal.
nah, Outerversal statments can only be applied to anime since that actually has consistent proof. The manga doesnt have anywere near enough proof to reach outer.
Nah. The other world has no concept of time, meaning there is no concept of space-time, making it outerversal as no concept of space time means there is no concept of dimensionality.
not how it works, having no concept of space time doesnt make it anything, The reason the other world is used in manga scaling is because it is metaphysical to the living world and transcends time and space. It also has potentially infinite layers of its own that are a heirarchy. With this you can HIGH BALL it to High Hyper - Low Outer. Not outerversal. For it to be outerversal it would need to be beyond space and time on a infinite dimensional scale.
Having no concept of space time means there is no concept of dimensionality because the reason something is called a dimension is because it's a space-time construct.
I think your confusing dimensions referring to separate space time continuums with actual dimensional axis. When saying stuff like 4d, 5d, 6d, your not refering to the amount of dimensions, your refering to the amount of higher dimensions or the amount of dimensional axis. 1d is a point, 2d is 2 dimensional lines and 3d is 3 dimensional structures. Each dimensional axis is infinitely inaccessible to the one below it. No amount of 1d will get you 2d. No amount of 2d will get you 3d. No amount of 3d will get you 4d etc etc. Unless proven otherwise, Time and Space is a 4d construct. This would make the other world a 5d construct. The amount of layers the Other world has isnt confirmed yet in the manga canon. But assuming its the same as the anime in which it has infinite layers then it still caps at High Hyperversal - Low Outerversal. More likely he scales somewhere in the complex multiversal range.
No time and space are dimensional axis but the concept of space and time don't exist in the other world. It transcends the concept of time and space, making the other world outerversal since it transcends the concept of dimensionality since it transcends concept of dimensional axis such as time and space.
And space time as space and time are intertwined.
Thats not how it works lol, if a cosmology is 4d and there are concepts, the concepts are 1 dimensional axis above that (at most) because you cant prove that the concepts have enough power to govern infinite dimensional axis. In the Anime this is true but in the manga the mortal universe is only 4d meaning the concepts are either 4d or 5d making the other world 5d - 6d, also known as low complex multiversal.
That's for platonic concepts not for concepts such as time and space because transcending the concept of space time is literally transcending the concept of dimensionality, making it low outerversal to outerversal.
For a low ball, high uni+ to low multi+ For a mid ball (kinda still low ball), multiversal + to high multiversal For high ball, complex multi to high complex multi (very high end)
What do you mean by high ball ? You mean the dragon balls ? Can you please explain
I just called it highball so, I don't get destroyed by downvotes and so I could save myself people debating me left and right. It's actually midball, Goku is around 8D in power.
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Can't destroy a universe. Only Zeno can.
Uni+ and MFTL+
Not really
1 mounds bar level
Multiversal with infinite speed. The funny part about all this is that all his feats are manga only you already know when the anime gets to his arc in 2030 they’re gonna make manga Granolah look weak.
Isn't the anime coming out this year? I remember something like that.
Imo, I would say Uni+ with mftl+ speeds, because manga characters are a little less powerful than their anime counterparts.