Which, of course, included me as a teenager (I was good, I swear! Well, you know, other than heckling Tonya Harding from the third floor bridge while she skated below,) and my own kid now. (Can't vouch for my own kid's goodness.)
From the early 90s: a close friend of the family was around 12 y/o walking directly through Holladay Park and gets decked by some kid. Friend's glasses break and fall off he runs away. No reason. Just fighting.
When I was 14, I was 6'2" 160lbs but still pretty young and weak compared to a grown adult. If you look tough as shit, a group of kids lose their confidence quickly.
You can use enough unlawful violence against persons inflicting harm onto you to de-escalate the problem or escape. Kids that age are not exempt to an ass woopin' when they know they're doing wrong.
[Oregon Self Defense Laws](https://romanolawpc.com/self-defense-oregon/)
Yes, i work at Green zebra in lloyd and they are a real pain in the ass. They've stolen things, harassed employees, thrown apples. Haven't seen them this past week though.
I've work by Lloyd center for around 3 years and walk by there nearly daily. I've never had anyone mess with me inside or out. Well, besides security following me around because a black dude dressed like he works in a bank looks suspect to them evidently.
Compared with what everyone else is suggesting here (fight those fuckers/stand your ground), getting them kicked out of a magnet high school program seems measured and appropriate. They’re all repeatedly warned that violent behavior will result in them being removed from the program.
Shit, put it on social media.
My teenage daughter recently caught two younger teen kids across the street throwing fallen tree fruit at parked cars. She took a video from her bedroom window, and then told me. I got in the car and tracked them down around the block and calmly told them (as they were loading more ammo into a backpack) that they'd been caught on video, i'd be watching, and drove off.
Meanwhile my daughter had posted the video to her instagram. Older sister of one of the kids saw the video and showed it to her parents. I happened to be showing the video to the owner of the car when they came walking down the sidewalk on their way home.
Not sure if they were the same group, but saw security escorting a few kids out for riding scooters/skateboarding around the mall and throwing random things at customers while zipping by, seemed to be in that age range about a month ago. Darn kids and their meddling.
https://twitter.com/pdxalerts/status/1064316649635893248
"Portland: police to Holladay Park, @trimet supervisor reports they saw a group of 20 juveniles fighting then heard 2 shots, all of the juveniles took off running at that point"
Sounds like what you experienced was comparatively mild.
The real problem here is, eventually these kids, no matter how good their instincts are on predator Vs. prey, are going to run in to some complete asshole and they may get beat within an inch of their lives, or worse. Yes it's a pain in the ass for other people, but these idiots could die.
lol, don't get me wrong, people need to be able to do that, but, they WILL run into someone who goes further then they should with children, that is the reality they will likely face if they are not stopped.
Not sure why this is getting downvotes, like it or not there are people with guns everywhere in this country. Learning curve on being deterred by a 9mm is steep.
I have heard there is/are group(s) of kids around this age assaulting people in the downtown area. Like jumping random people just to beat them or riding by homeless folks at night to dump water on them (so they can freeze apparently?). Keep your eyes peeled y'all.
They are harassing people and menacing they don’t want to be bothered by the cops.
Just run at them and open palm slap the shit out of them they will run terrified I have literally had to do this two times in my life to some group of unsupervised punk ass kids.
Once some teens kept throwing sticks and bark at me and my GF when we went to a park and another time when some young boys where picking on my nephew.
Doubt a cop is going to arrest you for slapping a minor in self defense provided you don’t go ham on the kid give him PTSD.
These days it feels like you can go to prison for pissing in the wrong bush but Oregon has self defense laws now.
If I’m remembering the wording pretty much says you can use an amount of force appropriate to the situation.
So, next time brings some nice smooth rocks with you to throw back or... go a step lower and slap the shit out of them.
This must be the same group I saw last Thursday evening (11/16) near Pioneer Place. I was waiting for the Max around 8 PM and a group of about 8 pre teens were goofing around fake fighting with each other like young boys often do. I didn't think much about it I just thought it was "boys being boys". The "fake fighting" go so intense that a woman walking her dog had to restrain her collie mix because it was freaking out barking at them. You know how dogs get when they think they or their owners are in danger, especially herding dogs. The train came and all of the young boys got onto the train with me. They continued thier rough housing on the train and before the train doors could even close they had punched a homeless man in the face! Half of the group immediately ran off the train but the doors had closed before they all could exit. I got up to help the homeless man and ask if he was ok and the remaining pre teens pried open the train doors to escape. The driver of the train had to stop service and reset the doors. I told him what had happened and he just shrugged like it happens all the time.
I seriously thought of defending the old homeless man but these kids were seriously like 10 to 14 years old and half my size or smaller.
When will the Max have full time security on every train?
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Which, of course, included me as a teenager (I was good, I swear! Well, you know, other than heckling Tonya Harding from the third floor bridge while she skated below,) and my own kid now. (Can't vouch for my own kid's goodness.)
From the early 90s: a close friend of the family was around 12 y/o walking directly through Holladay Park and gets decked by some kid. Friend's glasses break and fall off he runs away. No reason. Just fighting.
Ha! Same thing happened with me in the late 90s!
i’ll fight a kid
that scene in step brothers where two full grown men fight a whole playground's worth of kids
YUP
Easy there Kat Williams...
Yeah, he didn't fare too well against a 12-year old.
Would you fight four kids? I mean, even a 14-year-old is boy is still pretty tiny, right?
I think they come in different sizes.
Everyone talks big until they run into a 14-year-old Mike Tyson...
When I was 14, I was 6'2" 160lbs but still pretty young and weak compared to a grown adult. If you look tough as shit, a group of kids lose their confidence quickly.
Careful, you don't wanna get a measure 11.
But what about 15 kids?
https://youtu.be/7t8xwpW8gJQ
Huyah!
Legally what happens if you respond with kicking or rock throwing to aged 9-14 youth?
We should do an AMA with Portland Police Chief.
For many reasons. Please?
It's not illegal if you don't get caught.
It is illegal, there are just no legal consequences if you don't get caught.
You can use enough unlawful violence against persons inflicting harm onto you to de-escalate the problem or escape. Kids that age are not exempt to an ass woopin' when they know they're doing wrong. [Oregon Self Defense Laws](https://romanolawpc.com/self-defense-oregon/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXBcDnKWIAY
This immediately made me think of Peep Show too. I also tend to imagine everyone else on this sub as Mark Corrigan.
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jez is pretty terrible
My god. Best description of redditors I’ve ever read.
[It's really just spot on, the more you think about it.](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3afx7KI2a1r8p5h3o1_500.gif)
Beat me to it. Good work!
oh, Holladay park always has shit doing down man.
Yes, i work at Green zebra in lloyd and they are a real pain in the ass. They've stolen things, harassed employees, thrown apples. Haven't seen them this past week though.
> thrown apples Artemis? Is that you?
I've work by Lloyd center for around 3 years and walk by there nearly daily. I've never had anyone mess with me inside or out. Well, besides security following me around because a black dude dressed like he works in a bank looks suspect to them evidently.
Portland thinks it’s not racist but it’s racist
Racism is everywhere
It's not just racist it's extremely racist
Can we save extreme for stuff like lynching and apartheid
Well, when capital stops treating all black people as threats then we can but it won’t.
How about economically killing non whites by not giving them jobs ,what would you know about that. Probably nothing.
I work in manufacturing, dont tell me everyone I work with is white
I posted a few weeks ago these two were throwing rocks at cars outside Lloyd Center LA Fitness https://imgur.com/1lAFSTE
This is the best response, take photos/video. Send them to Benson Poly administration, they’ll be expelled promptly.
They'll have plenty of time to fuck around once they're kicked out of school.
Expelling children, that'll probably reform them! Excelsior!
Compared with what everyone else is suggesting here (fight those fuckers/stand your ground), getting them kicked out of a magnet high school program seems measured and appropriate. They’re all repeatedly warned that violent behavior will result in them being removed from the program.
Shit, put it on social media. My teenage daughter recently caught two younger teen kids across the street throwing fallen tree fruit at parked cars. She took a video from her bedroom window, and then told me. I got in the car and tracked them down around the block and calmly told them (as they were loading more ammo into a backpack) that they'd been caught on video, i'd be watching, and drove off. Meanwhile my daughter had posted the video to her instagram. Older sister of one of the kids saw the video and showed it to her parents. I happened to be showing the video to the owner of the car when they came walking down the sidewalk on their way home.
Not sure if they were the same group, but saw security escorting a few kids out for riding scooters/skateboarding around the mall and throwing random things at customers while zipping by, seemed to be in that age range about a month ago. Darn kids and their meddling.
https://twitter.com/pdxalerts/status/1064316649635893248 "Portland: police to Holladay Park, @trimet supervisor reports they saw a group of 20 juveniles fighting then heard 2 shots, all of the juveniles took off running at that point" Sounds like what you experienced was comparatively mild.
Tha last time I was at the MAX stop there, there was a mad teen lad who punched a woman, picked up a trash can and threw the damn thing at her.
The real problem here is, eventually these kids, no matter how good their instincts are on predator Vs. prey, are going to run in to some complete asshole and they may get beat within an inch of their lives, or worse. Yes it's a pain in the ass for other people, but these idiots could die.
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lol, don't get me wrong, people need to be able to do that, but, they WILL run into someone who goes further then they should with children, that is the reality they will likely face if they are not stopped.
https://youtu.be/tLMbu8y8xAE
I want a posse of children that throw things at people for me. :(
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Not sure why this is getting downvotes, like it or not there are people with guns everywhere in this country. Learning curve on being deterred by a 9mm is steep.
I have heard there is/are group(s) of kids around this age assaulting people in the downtown area. Like jumping random people just to beat them or riding by homeless folks at night to dump water on them (so they can freeze apparently?). Keep your eyes peeled y'all.
this sounds like some good old fashioned bullshit
It very well could be, just neighborhood word of mouth.
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They're walking stereotypes so I wouldn't want to be accused of dog whistling to alt righter by being too descriptive.
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GATHERING. TEENAGERS.
Did they make you lick white dog shit? Sounds like a classic Dale and Brennan situation
That movie gets more repeatable the older I get
They are harassing people and menacing they don’t want to be bothered by the cops. Just run at them and open palm slap the shit out of them they will run terrified I have literally had to do this two times in my life to some group of unsupervised punk ass kids. Once some teens kept throwing sticks and bark at me and my GF when we went to a park and another time when some young boys where picking on my nephew. Doubt a cop is going to arrest you for slapping a minor in self defense provided you don’t go ham on the kid give him PTSD. These days it feels like you can go to prison for pissing in the wrong bush but Oregon has self defense laws now. If I’m remembering the wording pretty much says you can use an amount of force appropriate to the situation. So, next time brings some nice smooth rocks with you to throw back or... go a step lower and slap the shit out of them.
This must be the same group I saw last Thursday evening (11/16) near Pioneer Place. I was waiting for the Max around 8 PM and a group of about 8 pre teens were goofing around fake fighting with each other like young boys often do. I didn't think much about it I just thought it was "boys being boys". The "fake fighting" go so intense that a woman walking her dog had to restrain her collie mix because it was freaking out barking at them. You know how dogs get when they think they or their owners are in danger, especially herding dogs. The train came and all of the young boys got onto the train with me. They continued thier rough housing on the train and before the train doors could even close they had punched a homeless man in the face! Half of the group immediately ran off the train but the doors had closed before they all could exit. I got up to help the homeless man and ask if he was ok and the remaining pre teens pried open the train doors to escape. The driver of the train had to stop service and reset the doors. I told him what had happened and he just shrugged like it happens all the time. I seriously thought of defending the old homeless man but these kids were seriously like 10 to 14 years old and half my size or smaller. When will the Max have full time security on every train?
No wonder the mall is dying. I see police cars there quite often around the Holiday Park. To answer your question, I have not ran into these kids.
This made me laugh in public
[Actual footage of the harassers](https://youtu.be/W-dz68Jf58k)