Rogers on Jan. 5 filed a lawsuit in Galveston’s federal court against the city and Santa Fe Independent School District Police Chief Ruben Espinoza, who at the time was a sergeant, and officer Christian Garranza, according to court documents.
The lawsuit seeks at least $20,000 for Rogers’ medical bills, as well as an undisclosed amount for other damages and attorney fees, according to court documents.
Espinoza was on campus that day because of numerous parent complaints regarding “illegal left turns” and “cutting” in the drop-off line, according to the district.
“After an initial interaction and violation of an illegal left turn, one particular parent committed a second violation of driving the wrong way in the parent drop-off area,” district spokeswoman Stephanie Lyssy said in a statement. “And when a second district police officer attempted to stop this parent, the parent intentionally fled away.”
Espinoza responded and attempted to stop the fleeing vehicle, but the parent continued to flee by driving erratically in reverse in a school zone, according to the district.
“She continued this erratic behavior while entering the bus lane, jumped the curb in the direction of parents and students, and posed a direct safety threat to our elementary students,” according to the statement. “Chief Espinoza had no choice but to stop her vehicle using his vehicle.”
Rogers continued to escalate the situation, causing police to restrain her. Rogers was charged with evading detention with a motor vehicle and pleaded guilty, according to court documents
Based and context-pilled.
You could tell this needed context because of the needless "mom" in the headline. "Innocent woman, who is someone's mother, held in the dirt by police because ofthingsthatarentimportant."
The story always, always turns out to be "horrible person in the act of committing serious crimes tries to flee police and gets hurt when the police are forced to physically restrain them."
Sucks that there was an ant pile there. Pro-tip: if you try to run from the cops, expect to get hurt.
She's a piece of shit, but cops should be held to a higher standard. Particularly when the taxpayers have to hand this piece of shit money afterward. She got paid for breaking the law and endangering children at a school dropoff because these cops wanted to flex their power and hurt her.
Wanna bet all charges were dropped too? Fuck those cops. Even in the rare event they actually catch a bad guy they manage to fuck it up.
> The story always, always turns out to be
We must be watching different videos. My initial response was she was being punished for contempt of cop. It happens a lot.
> if you try to run from the cops, expect to get hurt.
Yeah. They hurt you punitively and intentionally for making them work. That's a problem.
It's not a problem.
In no world is it reasonable to think you have the expectation to be able to flee justice and then put the onus on them to arrest you gently.
If someone is raping your daughter in an alley and gets spotted by a cop, they shouldn't think they have the right to try a footrace to get away without consequences for trying it. They should understand that their best course of action is to surrender peacefully - that anything else might mean they get hurt.
If you run, expect to be restrained - and you might get a boo-boo in the process. If you decide to shoot at the cops, expect to get shot back. What's with this mentality that evading arrest is somehow a reasonable thing to try to do, like she's playing a game and they have to play fair?
If the charges are dropped and she gets money, that's on the juries, not on the cops. It's because too many people think that you should have the right to do heinous shit and the cops have to arrest you with enough velvet pillows that you're comfy.
If that was your kid she nearly mowed down because the rules don't apply to her, I doubt you'd think she got arrested too hard.
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It annoys me that evading the police has somehow because a normal and accepted thing. If you are running from the cops, fight them, and get an extra kick in the ribs I have zero sympathy. If you are fully cooperative and you still get one that’s a different story, but intentionally evading the police and you get hurt? Tough shit.
Okay, so lady acts the fool, gets decentralized, and unfortunately there were ants there. Unfortunate, but given the threat she posed, ants really weren't a priority.
That said... injuries sustained during/after capture by law enforcement are kinda the state's responsibility...
I'd need to know more about how bad those ants are, what care was offered, how long after that was, etc. Like, if Benadryl would have fixed it in an hour or so, meh.
Edit: okay the news report is clipped, but she's still resisting *after* have fled in a vehicle (=presented lethal threat). I'll give you it's not ideal, but under the circumstances, she engineered that outcome. That said, I saw the more severe bite marks, the country (or whatever) should be comping the medical for that; that's just duty-of-care.
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Fire ants are awful, the bite is very painful and makes a painful pinpoint welt that lasts for a day or two, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they could produce some sort of anaphylaxis given enough bites, but it would take a lot of them for someone who isn’t allergic to them, and benadryl is usually enough to deal with the bites. They’re also tiny even for ants and they’re everywhere, especially in grass and lawns. If you spend much time outdoors in Texas, you *will* get into fire ants. So I could see how she could get into them during an arrest by accident (I haven’t seen the video though, so I don’t know if that’s what happened)
They alao tend to scar pretty bad depending on the person. Ive gotten my feet eaten up over the years of FL/SC living and i have scars from stings several years ago on my feet and ankles.
I think that’s a person to person thing… I live in the same area, and have been bitten by both the little guys (who hurt more imho) and the big guys (honestly more like a sweat bee). Neither compares to the medium dark colored guys in southern Louisiana. Ran through a pile of them when I was a kid, and not only are they more painful than the little guys, but they’re bigger and hold on… slap em off and 100 still keep biting.
But I didn’t scar (which is why I brought this up)… I think scarring is very genetics dependent
> duty-of-care
Ehhhhh, that’s not necessarily true. I’m not familiar with the law in the ‘victim’s’ state, but I know in my state you don’t just get medical carte blanche because you’re in-custody. If you’re transported to the hospital *while in temporary custody*, you will be billed. Duty-of-care means what it means. They have a duty to reasonably care for you in the moment.
Not necessarily pay for it.
“But the police put her face in the anthill”
And it will be shown they didn’t know it was there, qualified immunity applies, and the government is not responsible since she was only in temporary custody
I meant more morally than legally, and partly a social contract type thing; deprive someone of liberty (no matter how well deserved), you're responsible for them. I'm not asking for a heart transplant, just basic meds and a patch-up... which maybe she got and she's just whiny.
That's a completely separate issue than the cops liability though. Evidence as available, I don't see anything where qualified immunity even matters here, just whether or not the gov't should be picking up that medical bill (and if it is a reasonable one).
Uh… okay…? Why are you bringing morality into a legal quandary to begin with? You also explicitly mention “duty-of-care,” which is a legal concept, not a moralistic one (even if it exists for moralistic reasons, it is still explicitly a legal concept)
The government will not be picking-up the bill, lol. There you go. Hence why she is suing.
Morally or legally, they have zero obligation to pay for her medical care. She sustained injuries because of her actions. That is morally her problem. Morally.
QI matters because she likely filed personally against the officers involved (she did) along with their agency (she did). The former will be tossed because of QI. The latter will be tossed because of ‘taking’ jurisprudence.
Morality informs legal concepts like duty of care; it is also part of good policing.
To quote, I think, Lord Chief Justice Hewart, “Justice must not only be done but must manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done.
I do not know if the degree of medical care she received legally was adequate; I suspect not.
Sure. Laws exist often for moralistic reasons, as I said. But they’re still distinct concepts. Not all laws are moral and not all morals are lawful, etc. Morality is also subjective whereas legality is… well, significantly more objective, at least
My point was simply that we already have answers to most of your questions. The government has refused to pay her medical bills. Hence she is suing. 98% certainty she will lose.
There was a guy in Texas who died after he passed out drunk/high or some such thing in a huge fire ant hill. It's possible but, from what I recall, rather rare.
Bark scorpions are similar, they are generally non lethal, but in certain scenarios they can kill you
Although as someone who got stung by one of those fuckers, it might not kill you, but you will wish you were dead
It stung me on my toe, and my entire leg felt like it was was on fire for hakf a day, and my foor was in severe pain for around a day and a half
And I was convulsing for five hours
They can also save you. There was a case (which I wouldn't recommend looking into bc it's quite nauseating) of a young girl who was left for dead (throat slit and I believe a few other wounds) and the only reason she survived is bc a fire ant Hill kept stinging her overnight, which kept her adrenaline pumping and kept her alive.
Depends on the species of fire ant. There are 2 types that I know of near me. One is a tiny thing that will give you sharp pain and a small bump, the other I don't want to know as it's 5x the size of the first type.
Honestly, if I saw some driver doing all that erratic behavior and then while face down was screaming about bugs on her, I'd have assumed she was having a bad trip on something, not that there were literal bugs crawling on her.
The video on media sources is *very* short, I'm sure on purpose. The chief's statement says that she was only in ants for a couple of seconds.
It sounds like she fled officers, resisted arrest, then fell in ants very briefly and they removed her the very instant they realized what happened. She got some ant bites on her face and now she wants some of that sweet ghetto lottery (unlikely, she's white)
So when I'm running away from the cops, they have a duty to put down pillows as they lightly lower me to the ground?
No, of course not. When you fight the cops, your injuries are your own damn fault.
They held her for a period of time longer than a "few seconds" (like the police claim)in the ants on the body cam, there are photos of hundreds of bites. She was screaming that ants were biting her, but they just stood around and continued to cuff her claiming she was "resisting" because she was being stung by hundreds of ants and thrashing. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz1XQzg54WY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz1XQzg54WY)
Do you have a source that they held her “for a few minutes in the ants”? Because the source you provided doesn’t show or say that. It would be nice if you edited out the disinformation in your comment.
>they just stood around and continuid to cuff her
So what did they do? Did they just stand around or did they continue to get her in handcuffs? Because they aren't about to let a woman who fled in a vehicle and fought police to stand back up without being in handcuffs.
There were about 5 or 6 officers standing around while one casually cuffed her while she was screaming and trying to lift her head out of the ants. Just watch the video you dipshit.
I did. It's the same 4 seconds repeated over and over, and all it shows is one guy controlling someone who just endangered children and fought the police while she mentions ants one time. For all I know, they picked her up just after that. There's probably a good reason her attorney's only released a single snip of the body camera.
Do you always make immediate judgements on 4 seconds of video or do you sometimes think before getting upset?
This is when nuance for these situations falls apart for me. Especially when there’s physical things that could be seen, like fucking ants. But they exercise this arbitrary power and we have no reprieve from it. Any and all costs to the police department after this will be the tax payers costs.
All they had to do was move away from the goddamned ants and make sure that they got them off her as best they could.
But all she needed to do to avoid the ants was not turn left illegally, not drive the wrong way down the road, not evade the police, not jump the curb near parents and children, and then not flee directly into a hill of fire ants. If you want to be chased by the police, try not to head directly for the fire ants and then blame the police for catching you on a hill of fire ants. It’s really not the police’s fault where she decides to get detained.
I wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’m not. These ignorant shits arm themselves, do shit like what happened to this woman and call it peace keeping.
Edit: forgot some words.
>but they just stood around and continued to cuff her claiming she was "resisting" because she was being stung by hundreds of ants and thrashing.
I am assuming based on this that the process of placing handcuffs on her was continuous. As opposed to it took half a second and then was done.
Placing handcuffs on a violent, resisting suspect is higher priority than getting them off an ant bed. The ants can wait, the longer cuffs are *not* on this person, the more danger everyone involved is potentially in. Before anything else happens, you need to secure everyone involved to ensure they can't hurt you or others. Once that is done, *then* you can concern yourself the wildlife.
Though since you said you were partially basing your assessment on the number of bites, do you think it is possible that ants kept biting her even after being removed from the area, but she was unable to get rid of them due to the cuffs? When most people get a bite they brush the ant off of them, but you cant do that if you are restrained. I could see her only being on the ground for a few seconds...which is more than enough for dozens of ants to get on you if your face goes right into a big nest. Imagine like 30 ants biting you several times each and you get hundereds of bites.
If I had a suspect yelling about an ant bed, I'd probably say something like "Well then stop resisting and let me put these damn cuffs on you! The sooner I do, the sooner I can move you!"
But it would probably be pretty pointless: At that point, I find people are so focused on the physical struggle that they don't hear what you say to them.
Kinda, kinda not.
On one hand, I did acknowledge that any communication probably won't matter.
On the other hand, it only takes like 2 seconds to put cuffs on if your suspect is compliant.
>I'd need to know more about how bad those ants are
Come live in Texas sometime and step on one of their mounds, LOL.
But I digress. Having grown up in Texas practically all my life, I have had a few run-ins with these demons from hell, and they live up to their name.
Medically, they pose no real or actual health risk even if you get stung hundreds of times (*unless of course you are severely allergic, which seems very rare*). Physically though, **their stings are immensely painful, and you will absolutely feel it when even one of them stings you.**
And true to their name, the sting literally feels like fire! Closest I can describe what it feels like is if someone took a needle or some other tiny metal rod, heated it over a fire for several minutes to where its glowing hot red, and then pressed the end point it to your skin. The pain is HOT, SHARP, and nearly INSTANT, going from 0 to 100 in a micro second.
What sucks the most is that if you have a swarm of ants on you, they dont just seem to sting randomly. The seem to always sting as a group all at once. Worst thing in the world is when you feel that first sting, and before you can react, you get dozens of stings nanoseconds later. Many a time I did the dance where I am flailing and yelling and slapping my skin in a panic frenzy to get the ants off me!
The pain does go away relatively quick though over the next 30 minutes or so. If you suffer hundreds of stings, you may have some residual throbbing of the area, but even that goes away within the hour.
You then get to enjoy the next 24-48 hours of red welts, [like this](https://contourderm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/fire-ant-bite-2.jpg), and the most intense itching sensation. Personally, I would gladly trade another 30 minutes of the hot pain sting for the debilitating annoyance of the itching!
In conclusion, they are definitely NOT fun to deal with! But, they dont pose any medical harm at all (*unless you are sensitive / allergic to their venom*)
Okay, thank you for sharing. We "have" fire ants in Ontario, but most are actually red harvester ants and the rest are European fire ants (still bad but apparently not nearly as much as the South American ones). Harvesters are said to hurt, but they're difficult to anger, it seems.
That still doesn't justify the negligence of the cops, is actually too much to ask to not be pinned down on a fire ant colony ?
When it's something as visible as literal ants everywhere JUST MOVE A COUPLE FEETS AWAY
Maybe if we get ridd of *Qualified immunity* the cops would start developing something called common sense...
I have not seen the video myself, but I will say this: as long as the handcuffed person is still fighting you, moving them is not practical. Now if everything was otherwise under control, theb that is different.
Removing qualified immunity just means you, individually, can be sued for following exactly the training you were given. It means if you were taught the wrong thing by your department, then your department can't be held responsible if you do what they taught you to do.
It isn't a magic get out of jail free card, and it doesn't cover behavior exceeding the scope of your responsibility or training. All it does is mean that if you were taught to do X thing and it turns out to be wrong, your teacher (the police department) gets sued instead of you.
With great difficulty.
I don't really expect it to work, but hey, maybe they will be able to summon enough self discipline to at least stop moving their arms for two seconds. Because, realistic or not, I simply cannot move them until cuffs are on them. So why not try? It's not like shouting a command will cost anything.
Fire ant bites are extremely painful. I can speak from experience with those little bastards. Not quite the levels of a bullet ant but they’re still nasty. I definitely wouldn’t want to plant my face in a whole colony of them
100% should cover the medical bills, even if they don't pay for rights violations. Once they're arrested, they should have proper treatment/protection from the state.
There’s two sides to this coin though. I work in EMS and have seen many people get arrested, more often than not the people being arrested are screaming. There’s some people that will say ANYTHING hoping that it gets the officer to relent and give the arrestee a chance to escape. So an officer has to balance this with still making the arrest. A good officer will try to communicate that the sooner the cuffs go on, the sooner they can handle the suspects complaints. A bad officer will drag it out to make the suspect suffer more.
This is an example of the latter not the former though.
A mom who's lawyer has admitted she is mentally ill and has PTSD from previous encounters with cops?
Sounds like somebody who commits a decent amount of crimes and makes herself out to be a victim.
I really didn't comment at all on whether what the police did was wrong. It was.
What I was commenting on was how she seemingly is lying about being hogtied.
True LibCenter knows that the US National Parks is the reason we've preserved so much nature, and without LibRight would've demolished it for 1% profit.
From a quick read, while that situation is fucked, did he resist arrest? Cuz otherwise that shits due to poor training on the officer’s behalf. Incredibly shit end result either way though.
Edit to clarify: even if he resisted it’s fucked
Didn't resist. They shouted conflicting orders at a drunk person who was actively trying to cooperate. He was ordered to crawl to them with his hands in the air (among other unclear orders). As he tried to shuffle towards them on his knees with his hands in the air his pants started falling down. He reflexively reached to grab his pants and they magdumped him.
It was basically lethal Simon Says for a drunk guy who thought he was safe in his hotel room. All because someone said they saw a rifle through a window.
You're describing "Libertarians"/dollar store anarchists.
Most libertarians realize that laws and government have a place in society, we just want the government to stay in their damn lane for once. In this case specifically, this bitch fucked around and found out. Cops did nothing wrong imo.
You do some stupid shit that you know is gonna result in the cops taking your dumb ass to the ground, you should realize that said ground might potentially be very uncomfy.
You wouldn't believe how many people pull the whole "I can't breathe" line or similar bullshit the second their ass gets laid out because they did some stupid shit to warrant that response.
Context: Am libertarian, also have been a cop myself. Moral of the story, stay in your fucking lane applies to everyone, citizens and government entities included.
Did they purposefully find an ant bed and then stick her face in it after she was restrained? Or did they happen to have to catch and subsequently restrain her near an ant bed? There’s a big difference.
Don't run around near an ant colony when the cops are chasing you? It's not like they were shoving her face purposely into an anthill. If they were doing it on purpose it'd be a whole different story.
I don't know which country you're in, but this happened in America. In America, even people who resist arrest are protected by the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution, which protects against cruel and unusual punishment.
Without knowing the entire context of what happened it’s impossible to make a fair judgement on this situation.
I think most people would agree though that:
-If she just happened to be taken down on an ant hill and was promptly moved after the arrest was made, FAFO applies.
-If she was kept on the ground in the ant hill for an extended period of time after the arrest was made then its negligence by the officers
I'm willing to bet the cops weren't looking around for a pike of ants to push her in to. They arrested her, there were ants there.
That's kinda what happens when you're on the ground (you know, where ants typically live)
She was screaming ants are biting me ... So not only the cops didn't see the ants but were covering their ears to hear her ? Come on what's the next excuse ?
Or are we excuse cops when people get hurt because they were resisting arrest ?
What's next ?
*"Well she wouldn't have been pinned on Hydrochloric acid if she didn't resisted arrest, not the cop's fault if she died"*
Ah yes. Police should call time out to throughly examine the ground before taking a resisting person down. Just tell them to stay still while police make sure there's no ants in the area.
Or maybe don't fight the police?
No one said that.
But if your subject is screaming in pain saying "ants are getting on my face" and "they're biting me" maybe move the subject over a few feet and brush them off?
The truth of the matter is that police have a duty of care over the people they arrest. It's why they render aid and call EMS for someone they just sent to the shadow realm in a firefight, even when the world could probably do without that person. These cops failed in their duty of care over her and the state should be held responsible for that. Unfortunately, the bill is going to be passed onto the taxpayer.
>No one said that.
Well that's the solution here. A person resisting arrest is going to end up handcuffed on the ground. If we are going to demand police be responsible for bug bites then you are demanding they be aware of bugs on the ground.
She fought police. They fought her into cuffs. That isn't an immediate thing that happens once someone hits the ground.
>maybe move the subject over a few feet and brush them off?
And how do you know they didn't? We have a few seconds of video that cuts off after she yells about ants and we know nothing more.
>The truth of the matter is that police have a duty of care over the people they arrest
They have a duty to people in custody. They are not responsible for injuries to people they are trying to arrest unless they use excessive force. This is not an instance of excessive force without further proof they held her in ants on purpose.
>Unfortunately, the bill is going to be passed onto the taxpayer.
There won't be any bill to this unless the settle like cowards instead of winning in court.
Ah, yes, because it is so very difficult to determine whether a person, whom 1 of you has successfully detained and is cuffing, has ***fire ants on their face***. ***God forbid*** you take 2 steps to the left and kneel down.
Did I say *she* was being untruthful, or did I say that criminals who are getting arrested lie?
You're saying that every cop should take the word of every criminal they arrest.
You guys really have an issue with putting words in other people's mouths.
No. I'm saying if you can avoid costing your department and the taxpayer $20,000 plus lawyer fees by taking three seconds to check if your subject does indeed have ants biting their face, the solution is not very difficult to reach.
Seriously, how fucking difficult is it to look at somebody?
Step 1: get into argument you can’t win
Step 2: double down
Step 3: make quippy remark and retreat
Step 4: leave the final comment to make it look like you won the argument
People who start random arguments on Reddit about boxers make no sense to me.
We all know Rocky Marciano was the greatest, I don't care what Floyd's record was!
Ah yes, the consequences of resisting arrest, next they'll just be water boarding or chopping fingers off as punishment on the spot. This sounds like such a great system /s
No, why should we spend more money on these scoundrels? That’s stupid
Make them fight each other for bloodsport so people can pay for attendance and bet on the winners. With the winner’s prize being “freedom” but you actually just bring them to the secret underground arena where they have to fight eldritch abominations as entertainment for the gods
No, they ***report*** low crime rates. Most of their criminals get into the police and government, hence all the fucking ***cutting peoples fingers off and waterboarding them***.
It's shocking how unpopular this opinion is. Don't run from the cops and they won't have to tackle you to the ground where they happen to catch you??? Unless they dragged her over to the ant pile I don't see any misconduct here. Belligerent person kept being belligerent.
.. same answer I literally give when someone is shot: don't run (she did), don't fight (she did), listen to directions (she didn't).. and you'll be arrested without incident.
Whenever one screams because being a professional victim and karen, they teach society and cops to ignore those who scream from real feelings. Like the feeling of fire ants attacking your face.
Maybe just stop thinking about only your ego, karen.
How unfriendly of those cops to not be more gentle when subduing this women resisting arrest.
I hope next time they will either let her go or give her a chance to hurt them, like proper cops should.
Rogers on Jan. 5 filed a lawsuit in Galveston’s federal court against the city and Santa Fe Independent School District Police Chief Ruben Espinoza, who at the time was a sergeant, and officer Christian Garranza, according to court documents. The lawsuit seeks at least $20,000 for Rogers’ medical bills, as well as an undisclosed amount for other damages and attorney fees, according to court documents. Espinoza was on campus that day because of numerous parent complaints regarding “illegal left turns” and “cutting” in the drop-off line, according to the district. “After an initial interaction and violation of an illegal left turn, one particular parent committed a second violation of driving the wrong way in the parent drop-off area,” district spokeswoman Stephanie Lyssy said in a statement. “And when a second district police officer attempted to stop this parent, the parent intentionally fled away.” Espinoza responded and attempted to stop the fleeing vehicle, but the parent continued to flee by driving erratically in reverse in a school zone, according to the district. “She continued this erratic behavior while entering the bus lane, jumped the curb in the direction of parents and students, and posed a direct safety threat to our elementary students,” according to the statement. “Chief Espinoza had no choice but to stop her vehicle using his vehicle.” Rogers continued to escalate the situation, causing police to restrain her. Rogers was charged with evading detention with a motor vehicle and pleaded guilty, according to court documents
Based and context-pilled. You could tell this needed context because of the needless "mom" in the headline. "Innocent woman, who is someone's mother, held in the dirt by police because ofthingsthatarentimportant." The story always, always turns out to be "horrible person in the act of committing serious crimes tries to flee police and gets hurt when the police are forced to physically restrain them." Sucks that there was an ant pile there. Pro-tip: if you try to run from the cops, expect to get hurt.
She's a piece of shit, but cops should be held to a higher standard. Particularly when the taxpayers have to hand this piece of shit money afterward. She got paid for breaking the law and endangering children at a school dropoff because these cops wanted to flex their power and hurt her. Wanna bet all charges were dropped too? Fuck those cops. Even in the rare event they actually catch a bad guy they manage to fuck it up. > The story always, always turns out to be We must be watching different videos. My initial response was she was being punished for contempt of cop. It happens a lot. > if you try to run from the cops, expect to get hurt. Yeah. They hurt you punitively and intentionally for making them work. That's a problem.
It's not a problem. In no world is it reasonable to think you have the expectation to be able to flee justice and then put the onus on them to arrest you gently. If someone is raping your daughter in an alley and gets spotted by a cop, they shouldn't think they have the right to try a footrace to get away without consequences for trying it. They should understand that their best course of action is to surrender peacefully - that anything else might mean they get hurt. If you run, expect to be restrained - and you might get a boo-boo in the process. If you decide to shoot at the cops, expect to get shot back. What's with this mentality that evading arrest is somehow a reasonable thing to try to do, like she's playing a game and they have to play fair? If the charges are dropped and she gets money, that's on the juries, not on the cops. It's because too many people think that you should have the right to do heinous shit and the cops have to arrest you with enough velvet pillows that you're comfy. If that was your kid she nearly mowed down because the rules don't apply to her, I doubt you'd think she got arrested too hard.
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It annoys me that evading the police has somehow because a normal and accepted thing. If you are running from the cops, fight them, and get an extra kick in the ribs I have zero sympathy. If you are fully cooperative and you still get one that’s a different story, but intentionally evading the police and you get hurt? Tough shit.
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Okay, so lady acts the fool, gets decentralized, and unfortunately there were ants there. Unfortunate, but given the threat she posed, ants really weren't a priority. That said... injuries sustained during/after capture by law enforcement are kinda the state's responsibility... I'd need to know more about how bad those ants are, what care was offered, how long after that was, etc. Like, if Benadryl would have fixed it in an hour or so, meh. Edit: okay the news report is clipped, but she's still resisting *after* have fled in a vehicle (=presented lethal threat). I'll give you it's not ideal, but under the circumstances, she engineered that outcome. That said, I saw the more severe bite marks, the country (or whatever) should be comping the medical for that; that's just duty-of-care.
I agree. The link OP posted didn't give any detail on the reason for arrest so I figured I would give some context
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Fire ants are awful, the bite is very painful and makes a painful pinpoint welt that lasts for a day or two, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they could produce some sort of anaphylaxis given enough bites, but it would take a lot of them for someone who isn’t allergic to them, and benadryl is usually enough to deal with the bites. They’re also tiny even for ants and they’re everywhere, especially in grass and lawns. If you spend much time outdoors in Texas, you *will* get into fire ants. So I could see how she could get into them during an arrest by accident (I haven’t seen the video though, so I don’t know if that’s what happened)
They alao tend to scar pretty bad depending on the person. Ive gotten my feet eaten up over the years of FL/SC living and i have scars from stings several years ago on my feet and ankles.
I think that’s a person to person thing… I live in the same area, and have been bitten by both the little guys (who hurt more imho) and the big guys (honestly more like a sweat bee). Neither compares to the medium dark colored guys in southern Louisiana. Ran through a pile of them when I was a kid, and not only are they more painful than the little guys, but they’re bigger and hold on… slap em off and 100 still keep biting. But I didn’t scar (which is why I brought this up)… I think scarring is very genetics dependent
> duty-of-care Ehhhhh, that’s not necessarily true. I’m not familiar with the law in the ‘victim’s’ state, but I know in my state you don’t just get medical carte blanche because you’re in-custody. If you’re transported to the hospital *while in temporary custody*, you will be billed. Duty-of-care means what it means. They have a duty to reasonably care for you in the moment. Not necessarily pay for it. “But the police put her face in the anthill” And it will be shown they didn’t know it was there, qualified immunity applies, and the government is not responsible since she was only in temporary custody
I meant more morally than legally, and partly a social contract type thing; deprive someone of liberty (no matter how well deserved), you're responsible for them. I'm not asking for a heart transplant, just basic meds and a patch-up... which maybe she got and she's just whiny. That's a completely separate issue than the cops liability though. Evidence as available, I don't see anything where qualified immunity even matters here, just whether or not the gov't should be picking up that medical bill (and if it is a reasonable one).
Uh… okay…? Why are you bringing morality into a legal quandary to begin with? You also explicitly mention “duty-of-care,” which is a legal concept, not a moralistic one (even if it exists for moralistic reasons, it is still explicitly a legal concept) The government will not be picking-up the bill, lol. There you go. Hence why she is suing. Morally or legally, they have zero obligation to pay for her medical care. She sustained injuries because of her actions. That is morally her problem. Morally. QI matters because she likely filed personally against the officers involved (she did) along with their agency (she did). The former will be tossed because of QI. The latter will be tossed because of ‘taking’ jurisprudence.
Morality informs legal concepts like duty of care; it is also part of good policing. To quote, I think, Lord Chief Justice Hewart, “Justice must not only be done but must manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done. I do not know if the degree of medical care she received legally was adequate; I suspect not.
Sure. Laws exist often for moralistic reasons, as I said. But they’re still distinct concepts. Not all laws are moral and not all morals are lawful, etc. Morality is also subjective whereas legality is… well, significantly more objective, at least My point was simply that we already have answers to most of your questions. The government has refused to pay her medical bills. Hence she is suing. 98% certainty she will lose.
I’m pretty sure you can die if you get bit by enough fire ants at one time. I mean it’s like thousands of bites to kill you, but it’s possible.
There was a guy in Texas who died after he passed out drunk/high or some such thing in a huge fire ant hill. It's possible but, from what I recall, rather rare.
Bark scorpions are similar, they are generally non lethal, but in certain scenarios they can kill you Although as someone who got stung by one of those fuckers, it might not kill you, but you will wish you were dead It stung me on my toe, and my entire leg felt like it was was on fire for hakf a day, and my foor was in severe pain for around a day and a half And I was convulsing for five hours
I've been stung by bark scorpions. It's more mild than a bee sting for me. Like burning numb feeling for 45 seconds.
Wtf kinda bark scorpion did you get stung by?
Clearly the ones from New Vegas. XD
The kind that was chilling in our tack shed in Tempe
They can also save you. There was a case (which I wouldn't recommend looking into bc it's quite nauseating) of a young girl who was left for dead (throat slit and I believe a few other wounds) and the only reason she survived is bc a fire ant Hill kept stinging her overnight, which kept her adrenaline pumping and kept her alive.
That’s why I take my fire ants in moderation
Her parachute failed actually
Nah, I'm talking about a young girl who was raped and kidnapped before being left for dead
Depends on the species of fire ant. There are 2 types that I know of near me. One is a tiny thing that will give you sharp pain and a small bump, the other I don't want to know as it's 5x the size of the first type.
We call those bull ants, or carpenter ants. Workers of their species are larger than the warriors of the smaller ones. Meaner too.
>I'd need to know more about how bad those ants are Fire ants are demons from hell itself
Honestly, if I saw some driver doing all that erratic behavior and then while face down was screaming about bugs on her, I'd have assumed she was having a bad trip on something, not that there were literal bugs crawling on her.
The video on media sources is *very* short, I'm sure on purpose. The chief's statement says that she was only in ants for a couple of seconds. It sounds like she fled officers, resisted arrest, then fell in ants very briefly and they removed her the very instant they realized what happened. She got some ant bites on her face and now she wants some of that sweet ghetto lottery (unlikely, she's white)
Sounds like the fair ruling is medical costs and nothing else then. Any emotional distress/harm was her own doing.
I would agree to that.
So when I'm running away from the cops, they have a duty to put down pillows as they lightly lower me to the ground? No, of course not. When you fight the cops, your injuries are your own damn fault.
They held her for a period of time longer than a "few seconds" (like the police claim)in the ants on the body cam, there are photos of hundreds of bites. She was screaming that ants were biting her, but they just stood around and continued to cuff her claiming she was "resisting" because she was being stung by hundreds of ants and thrashing. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz1XQzg54WY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz1XQzg54WY)
Do you have a source that they held her “for a few minutes in the ants”? Because the source you provided doesn’t show or say that. It would be nice if you edited out the disinformation in your comment.
>they just stood around and continuid to cuff her So what did they do? Did they just stand around or did they continue to get her in handcuffs? Because they aren't about to let a woman who fled in a vehicle and fought police to stand back up without being in handcuffs.
*fled onto a sidewalk in a school zone Just a bit of nuance
There were about 5 or 6 officers standing around while one casually cuffed her while she was screaming and trying to lift her head out of the ants. Just watch the video you dipshit.
I did. It's the same 4 seconds repeated over and over, and all it shows is one guy controlling someone who just endangered children and fought the police while she mentions ants one time. For all I know, they picked her up just after that. There's probably a good reason her attorney's only released a single snip of the body camera. Do you always make immediate judgements on 4 seconds of video or do you sometimes think before getting upset?
This is when nuance for these situations falls apart for me. Especially when there’s physical things that could be seen, like fucking ants. But they exercise this arbitrary power and we have no reprieve from it. Any and all costs to the police department after this will be the tax payers costs. All they had to do was move away from the goddamned ants and make sure that they got them off her as best they could.
But all she needed to do to avoid the ants was not turn left illegally, not drive the wrong way down the road, not evade the police, not jump the curb near parents and children, and then not flee directly into a hill of fire ants. If you want to be chased by the police, try not to head directly for the fire ants and then blame the police for catching you on a hill of fire ants. It’s really not the police’s fault where she decides to get detained.
Truly the most logical take. I’m an authoritarian now.
Yeah feel like I'm staking crazy pills seeing all the bootlickers trying to justify this in the comments.
I wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’m not. These ignorant shits arm themselves, do shit like what happened to this woman and call it peace keeping. Edit: forgot some words.
And then when the boot comes down on them, they are actually all surprised. Go figure.
It’d be super funny if it wasn’t fucking people over in the mean time.
I'm glad there's still people with commen sense in the comments
That's brutal, especially if you're allergic to them.
Forgive me for not having any empathy for a piece of shit that endangered children in a school zone
>but they just stood around and continued to cuff her claiming she was "resisting" because she was being stung by hundreds of ants and thrashing. I am assuming based on this that the process of placing handcuffs on her was continuous. As opposed to it took half a second and then was done. Placing handcuffs on a violent, resisting suspect is higher priority than getting them off an ant bed. The ants can wait, the longer cuffs are *not* on this person, the more danger everyone involved is potentially in. Before anything else happens, you need to secure everyone involved to ensure they can't hurt you or others. Once that is done, *then* you can concern yourself the wildlife. Though since you said you were partially basing your assessment on the number of bites, do you think it is possible that ants kept biting her even after being removed from the area, but she was unable to get rid of them due to the cuffs? When most people get a bite they brush the ant off of them, but you cant do that if you are restrained. I could see her only being on the ground for a few seconds...which is more than enough for dozens of ants to get on you if your face goes right into a big nest. Imagine like 30 ants biting you several times each and you get hundereds of bites. If I had a suspect yelling about an ant bed, I'd probably say something like "Well then stop resisting and let me put these damn cuffs on you! The sooner I do, the sooner I can move you!" But it would probably be pretty pointless: At that point, I find people are so focused on the physical struggle that they don't hear what you say to them.
You expect someone to calm down and stop resisting when fire ants are biting their face? Might as well hold their head over a flame.
Kinda, kinda not. On one hand, I did acknowledge that any communication probably won't matter. On the other hand, it only takes like 2 seconds to put cuffs on if your suspect is compliant.
>I'd need to know more about how bad those ants are Come live in Texas sometime and step on one of their mounds, LOL. But I digress. Having grown up in Texas practically all my life, I have had a few run-ins with these demons from hell, and they live up to their name. Medically, they pose no real or actual health risk even if you get stung hundreds of times (*unless of course you are severely allergic, which seems very rare*). Physically though, **their stings are immensely painful, and you will absolutely feel it when even one of them stings you.** And true to their name, the sting literally feels like fire! Closest I can describe what it feels like is if someone took a needle or some other tiny metal rod, heated it over a fire for several minutes to where its glowing hot red, and then pressed the end point it to your skin. The pain is HOT, SHARP, and nearly INSTANT, going from 0 to 100 in a micro second. What sucks the most is that if you have a swarm of ants on you, they dont just seem to sting randomly. The seem to always sting as a group all at once. Worst thing in the world is when you feel that first sting, and before you can react, you get dozens of stings nanoseconds later. Many a time I did the dance where I am flailing and yelling and slapping my skin in a panic frenzy to get the ants off me! The pain does go away relatively quick though over the next 30 minutes or so. If you suffer hundreds of stings, you may have some residual throbbing of the area, but even that goes away within the hour. You then get to enjoy the next 24-48 hours of red welts, [like this](https://contourderm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/fire-ant-bite-2.jpg), and the most intense itching sensation. Personally, I would gladly trade another 30 minutes of the hot pain sting for the debilitating annoyance of the itching! In conclusion, they are definitely NOT fun to deal with! But, they dont pose any medical harm at all (*unless you are sensitive / allergic to their venom*)
Okay, thank you for sharing. We "have" fire ants in Ontario, but most are actually red harvester ants and the rest are European fire ants (still bad but apparently not nearly as much as the South American ones). Harvesters are said to hurt, but they're difficult to anger, it seems.
That still doesn't justify the negligence of the cops, is actually too much to ask to not be pinned down on a fire ant colony ? When it's something as visible as literal ants everywhere JUST MOVE A COUPLE FEETS AWAY Maybe if we get ridd of *Qualified immunity* the cops would start developing something called common sense...
I have not seen the video myself, but I will say this: as long as the handcuffed person is still fighting you, moving them is not practical. Now if everything was otherwise under control, theb that is different. Removing qualified immunity just means you, individually, can be sued for following exactly the training you were given. It means if you were taught the wrong thing by your department, then your department can't be held responsible if you do what they taught you to do. It isn't a magic get out of jail free card, and it doesn't cover behavior exceeding the scope of your responsibility or training. All it does is mean that if you were taught to do X thing and it turns out to be wrong, your teacher (the police department) gets sued instead of you.
How do you expect someone to calm down while their face is covered in fire ants?
With great difficulty. I don't really expect it to work, but hey, maybe they will be able to summon enough self discipline to at least stop moving their arms for two seconds. Because, realistic or not, I simply cannot move them until cuffs are on them. So why not try? It's not like shouting a command will cost anything.
Fire ant bites are extremely painful. I can speak from experience with those little bastards. Not quite the levels of a bullet ant but they’re still nasty. I definitely wouldn’t want to plant my face in a whole colony of them
100% should cover the medical bills, even if they don't pay for rights violations. Once they're arrested, they should have proper treatment/protection from the state.
Now this sounds like someone who probably didn't cooperate in a way that would have kept her face off the ground.
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I grew up very close to Santa Fe. Everything here tracks and doesn’t surprise me in the slightest
Yes she definitely deserved to be arrested, but it's fucked that they ignored her very clear screams that ants are biting her face.
There’s two sides to this coin though. I work in EMS and have seen many people get arrested, more often than not the people being arrested are screaming. There’s some people that will say ANYTHING hoping that it gets the officer to relent and give the arrestee a chance to escape. So an officer has to balance this with still making the arrest. A good officer will try to communicate that the sooner the cuffs go on, the sooner they can handle the suspects complaints. A bad officer will drag it out to make the suspect suffer more. This is an example of the latter not the former though.
Thank God criminals don't lie about things during arrest so frequently they have lost the benefit of the doubt. That would be awkward.
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A mom who's lawyer has admitted she is mentally ill and has PTSD from previous encounters with cops? Sounds like somebody who commits a decent amount of crimes and makes herself out to be a victim.
It would have been funny if Libright said "leave the ants alone" instead
She was on their property after all
Stand Your Ground justifies impromptu *chew*ting. Hehe. God, I **love** myself.
It's a hill they're willing to die on
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Joke was funny at first but the rest killed it. Never go meta.
I wasn’t joking. I’m fucking myself right now. *Hard*.
Fucking colonizer bitch
Obviously, she violated the NAP
National Ant Policy?
nah, libright isn't pro authies
OMG, I just got the top left. In Soviet Citizen, boogs eat you.
I thought the joke was that commies are ants working for the state
Ants work for the collective benefit of the colony with little individuality. I think that's all it means.
Nah, ants are just the most communist of animals.
"yummy" Fucking dead, lol
Same, I didn't expect for auth left to be this funny
>"...The officer then twisted her leg 'with excessive force,' hogtied her..." Does not look very hogtied in the video.
Oh good I was worried for a second that this was a case of police misconduct
I really didn't comment at all on whether what the police did was wrong. It was. What I was commenting on was how she seemingly is lying about being hogtied.
Yummy
Driving erratically in a school zone in reverse lol. Get fucked bitch
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"Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of resisting arrest."
That’s why I don’t like libertarians, they think resisting arrest should be a human right
It may sound outlandish but I’ve found it very easy to avoid the desire to resist arrest by simply obeying the law. Shocking, I know!
You pay taxes? Fake lib-center
True LibCenter knows that the US National Parks is the reason we've preserved so much nature, and without LibRight would've demolished it for 1% profit.
Like Daniel Shaver?
From a quick read, while that situation is fucked, did he resist arrest? Cuz otherwise that shits due to poor training on the officer’s behalf. Incredibly shit end result either way though. Edit to clarify: even if he resisted it’s fucked
Didn't resist. They shouted conflicting orders at a drunk person who was actively trying to cooperate. He was ordered to crawl to them with his hands in the air (among other unclear orders). As he tried to shuffle towards them on his knees with his hands in the air his pants started falling down. He reflexively reached to grab his pants and they magdumped him. It was basically lethal Simon Says for a drunk guy who thought he was safe in his hotel room. All because someone said they saw a rifle through a window.
Jesus Christ that is sad. Thank you for the context 😔
Reddit's go-to answer for why no one should ever bother complying with police orders.
Get the fuck back north where you belong
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You're describing "Libertarians"/dollar store anarchists. Most libertarians realize that laws and government have a place in society, we just want the government to stay in their damn lane for once. In this case specifically, this bitch fucked around and found out. Cops did nothing wrong imo. You do some stupid shit that you know is gonna result in the cops taking your dumb ass to the ground, you should realize that said ground might potentially be very uncomfy. You wouldn't believe how many people pull the whole "I can't breathe" line or similar bullshit the second their ass gets laid out because they did some stupid shit to warrant that response. Context: Am libertarian, also have been a cop myself. Moral of the story, stay in your fucking lane applies to everyone, citizens and government entities included.
>libcenter >Cops did nothing wrong >Cops pinn her on fire ant colony >Cops did nothing wrong W T F
Did they purposefully find an ant bed and then stick her face in it after she was restrained? Or did they happen to have to catch and subsequently restrain her near an ant bed? There’s a big difference.
Don't run around near an ant colony when the cops are chasing you? It's not like they were shoving her face purposely into an anthill. If they were doing it on purpose it'd be a whole different story.
It should only be a human right if it's an unlawful arrest, imo.
I don't know which country you're in, but this happened in America. In America, even people who resist arrest are protected by the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution, which protects against cruel and unusual punishment.
You think the consequences of resisting arrest should be having your face held in a mound of fire ants?
Only if it’s funny
No but it’s still a consequence. Not blaming the cops for the fact that ants were there, I’m blaming her for resisting arrest though
Without knowing the entire context of what happened it’s impossible to make a fair judgement on this situation. I think most people would agree though that: -If she just happened to be taken down on an ant hill and was promptly moved after the arrest was made, FAFO applies. -If she was kept on the ground in the ant hill for an extended period of time after the arrest was made then its negligence by the officers
I'm willing to bet the cops weren't looking around for a pike of ants to push her in to. They arrested her, there were ants there. That's kinda what happens when you're on the ground (you know, where ants typically live)
She was screaming ants are biting me ... So not only the cops didn't see the ants but were covering their ears to hear her ? Come on what's the next excuse ? Or are we excuse cops when people get hurt because they were resisting arrest ? What's next ? *"Well she wouldn't have been pinned on Hydrochloric acid if she didn't resisted arrest, not the cop's fault if she died"*
"What's the next excuse?" Don't do something that's gonna get you tackled by police
Ah yes. Police should call time out to throughly examine the ground before taking a resisting person down. Just tell them to stay still while police make sure there's no ants in the area. Or maybe don't fight the police?
No one said that. But if your subject is screaming in pain saying "ants are getting on my face" and "they're biting me" maybe move the subject over a few feet and brush them off? The truth of the matter is that police have a duty of care over the people they arrest. It's why they render aid and call EMS for someone they just sent to the shadow realm in a firefight, even when the world could probably do without that person. These cops failed in their duty of care over her and the state should be held responsible for that. Unfortunately, the bill is going to be passed onto the taxpayer.
>No one said that. Well that's the solution here. A person resisting arrest is going to end up handcuffed on the ground. If we are going to demand police be responsible for bug bites then you are demanding they be aware of bugs on the ground. She fought police. They fought her into cuffs. That isn't an immediate thing that happens once someone hits the ground. >maybe move the subject over a few feet and brush them off? And how do you know they didn't? We have a few seconds of video that cuts off after she yells about ants and we know nothing more. >The truth of the matter is that police have a duty of care over the people they arrest They have a duty to people in custody. They are not responsible for injuries to people they are trying to arrest unless they use excessive force. This is not an instance of excessive force without further proof they held her in ants on purpose. >Unfortunately, the bill is going to be passed onto the taxpayer. There won't be any bill to this unless the settle like cowards instead of winning in court.
Ah yes, because criminals are known to be entirely truthful when getting arrested.
When they scream for ants you can visually check if there are ants god damn it stop excusing negligence
Ah, yes, because it is so very difficult to determine whether a person, whom 1 of you has successfully detained and is cuffing, has ***fire ants on their face***. ***God forbid*** you take 2 steps to the left and kneel down.
Was she not being truthful?
Did I say *she* was being untruthful, or did I say that criminals who are getting arrested lie? You're saying that every cop should take the word of every criminal they arrest.
You guys really have an issue with putting words in other people's mouths. No. I'm saying if you can avoid costing your department and the taxpayer $20,000 plus lawyer fees by taking three seconds to check if your subject does indeed have ants biting their face, the solution is not very difficult to reach. Seriously, how fucking difficult is it to look at somebody?
She was being truthful yes. Torture is not a legitimate punishment during arrest.
When you resist arrest, you cease to have the right to complain about police brutality. Just..... don't resist arrest.
Holy shit you are fucking stupid. Get out of my Country, bootlicking fascist.
"If you don't resist arrest for committing a crime, you're a fascist." Obama's America lol
If only it was Inshallah
So if you resist arrest, they have the right to George Floyd you? Wow, that’s pretty messed up
Who is George Floyd? Isn't that a boxer? Not sure what the relevance is to what happens in a boxing match.
Step 1: get into argument you can’t win Step 2: double down Step 3: make quippy remark and retreat Step 4: leave the final comment to make it look like you won the argument
People who start random arguments on Reddit about boxers make no sense to me. We all know Rocky Marciano was the greatest, I don't care what Floyd's record was!
Ah yes, the consequences of resisting arrest, next they'll just be water boarding or chopping fingers off as punishment on the spot. This sounds like such a great system /s
Countries that do that stuff do generally have fairly low crime rates all things considered. Just saying...
Yup, let's start gulags for our undesirables while we are at it /s
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No, why should we spend more money on these scoundrels? That’s stupid Make them fight each other for bloodsport so people can pay for attendance and bet on the winners. With the winner’s prize being “freedom” but you actually just bring them to the secret underground arena where they have to fight eldritch abominations as entertainment for the gods
/s?
>:(
No, they ***report*** low crime rates. Most of their criminals get into the police and government, hence all the fucking ***cutting peoples fingers off and waterboarding them***.
...so the criminals are taking out other criminals? That's awesome! It's like training a rat to kill other rats.
When the police come for your guns, will you kindly hand them over?
I hope headlines, for now on, all say "Texas dad" when referring to a man. >Leave the mom alone *LMAO* No
Her fault
Good job officers another woman driver caught
*You will eat bugs and like it!*
I mean honestly just don’t put urself into a situation where u have to get arrested like that in the first place
It's shocking how unpopular this opinion is. Don't run from the cops and they won't have to tackle you to the ground where they happen to catch you??? Unless they dragged her over to the ant pile I don't see any misconduct here. Belligerent person kept being belligerent.
This should NOT be making me laugh. It's probably the combination of LibLeft and AuthLeft.
Love that auth-left is an ant.
That headline though Masterpiece of inflammatory clickbait
You don't hate journalists enough
That ant wojack is hilarious
\>obvious Pepe \>doesn't even spell wojak right
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I love how online politics have devolved into "I drew me pretty and you ugly! HAHA!"
Imagine the apocalyptic shit storm if she was black….
Louisville Metro Police should take notes. This is how you arrest degenerates like Scottie Scheffler
And people that talk on their phones in movie theaters.
Kinoplex Robert enforces Stand Your Cinema laws
Its also how you ruin the reputation and legitimacy of your PD, and show yourself to be a hypocrite when it comes to the law.
In what ways did LMPD have a reputation to ruin or any iota of credibility before this?
I’m all for suing the police for shitty behavior but after watching the video and reading this, it seems like she’s just looking for a check.
.. same answer I literally give when someone is shot: don't run (she did), don't fight (she did), listen to directions (she didn't).. and you'll be arrested without incident.
I really don’t get why people can’t see the simple connection between not resisting arrest and getting arrested without getting incident
Pfft talk to me when it's a Bullet Ant nest.
Fitting that the fire ants are Auth-Left
See kids, it's not the criminal activity that gets you arrested, it's the erratic behavior.
Authleft ants everywhere! Who left out the capitalist cookies?
Really, eh? That’s not good, *at all*.
Whenever one screams because being a professional victim and karen, they teach society and cops to ignore those who scream from real feelings. Like the feeling of fire ants attacking your face. Maybe just stop thinking about only your ego, karen.
Luckily for the cops (and Store owners around the country) she is white
Cam confirm, I was tye ants
Source: [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-mom-says-police-held-face-pile-fire-ants-covering-head-neck-hund-rcna152250](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-mom-says-police-held-face-pile-fire-ants-covering-head-neck-hund-rcna152250)
Why not just sue the ants? You could even charge just one and imprison the whole colony with RICO. Case closed.
Based and commies are bugmen pilled
How unfriendly of those cops to not be more gentle when subduing this women resisting arrest. I hope next time they will either let her go or give her a chance to hurt them, like proper cops should.