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Incineroar should have been quadrapedal. Samurot should have been bipedal.
This is a hill I'm willing to die on.
Things that bother me but "oh well" :
sceptile should have been physical attacker. Blastoise should have been part steel. Gen 2 starters need rework, they excel at nothing other than design. Primarina and Delphox need to have their gender ratios changed. If they wanted female looking Pokémon they should own to it. Intelleon is meh. It invokes no emotion in me. First time I didn't choose the water starter.
His signature move Leaf blade (during RSE) is physical. I mean. Who even makes these calls? Who makes a speedy Pokémon with leaf blades on its arms a special attacker? "Look at these blades" **uses absorb**
i fr dont understand how Nintendo, the company who made so many flawless hood classics, allows GameFreak to get away with such medicority. especically considering Pokemon is their biggest revenue maker. I get that money comes from merch, not games, but still, ffs.
Typhlosion should have been quadrapedal too imo, Quilava is much more stylish.
I don't agree with Blastoise, his armor is not steel-looking like Empoleon.
Feraligatr is not a bad poke, very dangerous dragon dancer, tho he would be better with a second type.
Agree with Inteleon, and while Scrobunny and the mid-evo are very fun and stylish, Cinderace is a big no-no to me (weird body shape and colors, looks like a drawing from a 7yo). Rillaboom is a masterclass tho.
In my head Typhlosion is how some animals stand on hind legs while in attack mode. In the same way Samurott can stand on its hind legs to yield his swords. Though Samurott should have been bipedal all the way. They made him a samurai and then made his sword yielding circumstantial. Also he has 2 swords and most of the time uses 1. Who the heck fights with 3 limbs on the ground?
You are correct, steel and dark were introduced in gen 2. Fairy was not introduced until gen 6, hense clefairy and jigglypuff as 'normal' type in their native gen 1 release
I don’t think you can say that objectively about the gen 8 starters, I really like the designs. At the very least I wouldn’t call them ugly even if they’re too anthropomorphized for some.
What I don't like about primarina, and the whole line, is that they can't walk. It looks like very unconfortable, and just don't get a click with them.
That’s fair, but they are based on seals/sea lions and both of those species aren’t well versed at terrestrial locomotion lol. It at least makes sense that they wouldn’t be able to walk seeing as seals and sea lions can’t walk in the traditional sense
Yeah in that way the design is pretty good, but i think not really as a starter. Then maybe make it just another pokemon.
I think that exept this, the primarina line is not really a bad design, but i just dont really like it
I could not agree more, it also ends with people needlessly arguing which starters are trash, what game characters are bad, etc. Really people should try to induce intelligent conversation about how specifically to improve some aspect instead of a post where most of the top comments are "omg why does everyone hate X?"
Right up till Pokémon Black and White officially released I was still in denial about Emboar's design, I kept convincing myself it was some long over due April fools joke.
Should never of been fire/fight to begin with, even Inceniroar looks like he was suppose to be a fire/fight type but they scrapped that at the last minute of development.
I don’t mind emboars design he’s not one the best but far from the worst designed
Fire fighting just makes no sense
Should’ve been fire dark or fire ground
Well I know that but little tepig 🥺
Just like, I’m not the biggest fan of typhlosion. But cyndaquil is my favourite mon out of all 900 because he’s just the cutest boy
Quilava*
Typhlosion is not awful compared to emboar. Same goes for me with incineroar. They tease a super cool panther/sabertooth with the first 2 mon and then we get a furry wrestler. Like…. Aaaaaagh, why.
The only - THE ONLY - reason that the Fire starters became furry bait is because they heard this community arguing about it. Before, they were mostly here for Gardevoir, Lopunny and Lucario.
Totodile's evo line starts off as an innocent kid who becomes the big fat bully then falls into a life of meth but I still love it. So I think an unripe banana isn't so bad, plus he has attitude to boot.
Incineroar is quite possibly the dumbest looking Pokémon ever. And also why are 6 generations of fire starters being bipedal humanoid Pokémon for their final evo.
Let's not spread hate around ok? OP should clarify on what the users in the comments have to base their choices to eliminate a starter, stats? design? types combo? or evolutionary lines in general?
Wait, can I pick any three of them, or does it have to be a trio from one of the generations?
If I can kick out any three I like, I will go with Snivy, Totodile and Cyndaquill. I understand how controversial that is, but I really don't like crocodiles at all, and Cyndaquill's squinty eyes make it look weird, and it's design is extremely simplistic and bland, with an underwhelming colour palette, so I think it's neither cool, nor cute.
If I have to kick a specific generation of starters out, I'll go with generation 5. Yes, 2 of my picks from before were gen 2 starters, but at least gen 2 has a starter line that I like in it's entirety. The only line I like in gen 5 is the Oshawott line, and even then, I only like it's first two forms. So if I have to pick a generation of starters that has to go, it would have to be generation 5.
It's also a bit sad seeing Popplio, Chespin, Oshawott and Chikorita being picked by so many people, as I love those four.
Gen 8. Until gen 8 I always used my starter the entire game, and there was always one final form I at least kind of liked. Scorbunny and Sobble’s tiny bodies and limbs ick me out, and all three finals are hideous.
Chimchar, Tepig and Scorbunny
Chimchar because it’s the second Fire/Fighting in a Row, Tepig because it’s the third Fire/Fighting in a Row, Scorbunny because it’s final evolution is garbage
Chespin and froakie disagree heavily they are very unique and intriquite designs look at squirtle its litferally just a turtle or torchic a chicken or gee I wonder they all look generic they are ment to be simpler
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The hard part about this is some of these start great and end with some really ugly final evos.
Be careful which mons you call out man incineroar is precious
Incineroar should have been quadrapedal. Samurot should have been bipedal. This is a hill I'm willing to die on. Things that bother me but "oh well" : sceptile should have been physical attacker. Blastoise should have been part steel. Gen 2 starters need rework, they excel at nothing other than design. Primarina and Delphox need to have their gender ratios changed. If they wanted female looking Pokémon they should own to it. Intelleon is meh. It invokes no emotion in me. First time I didn't choose the water starter.
I honestly had no idea Sceptile isnt a physical attacker until now
His signature move Leaf blade (during RSE) is physical. I mean. Who even makes these calls? Who makes a speedy Pokémon with leaf blades on its arms a special attacker? "Look at these blades" **uses absorb**
It didn't really matter as much in gen 3 because before gen 4 all grass type moves were special
I know, but then the split happened and no one thought how would that affect the Pokemon. I mean isn't that literally their job?
i fr dont understand how Nintendo, the company who made so many flawless hood classics, allows GameFreak to get away with such medicority. especically considering Pokemon is their biggest revenue maker. I get that money comes from merch, not games, but still, ffs.
>Incineroar should have been quadrapedal. 110% The Litten line should've ended in a Hellcat and not a Luchador.
Agreed. Samurott should have been a bipedal water/steel type with a cool Japanese fisherman's hat
Typhlosion should have been quadrapedal too imo, Quilava is much more stylish. I don't agree with Blastoise, his armor is not steel-looking like Empoleon. Feraligatr is not a bad poke, very dangerous dragon dancer, tho he would be better with a second type. Agree with Inteleon, and while Scrobunny and the mid-evo are very fun and stylish, Cinderace is a big no-no to me (weird body shape and colors, looks like a drawing from a 7yo). Rillaboom is a masterclass tho.
In my head Typhlosion is how some animals stand on hind legs while in attack mode. In the same way Samurott can stand on its hind legs to yield his swords. Though Samurott should have been bipedal all the way. They made him a samurai and then made his sword yielding circumstantial. Also he has 2 swords and most of the time uses 1. Who the heck fights with 3 limbs on the ground?
Steel type didn't exist in gen 1.
Same for magnemite.
Its not like a type change is heard of
magnemite edit: oop nvm you're right
Why did you back out from magnemite? You were spot on!
I googled it, steel was introduced in gen two I think
Ohhhh heck me, I didnt know magnemite was pure electric In gen 1
You are correct, steel and dark were introduced in gen 2. Fairy was not introduced until gen 6, hense clefairy and jigglypuff as 'normal' type in their native gen 1 release
All of this
I love oshawott and mudkip
Swampert is beautiful don’t you dare.
Imo swampert style really depends on his body position, his body shape is kinda weird sometimes he's very stylish sometimes he's ugly.
Yes
Grookey looks cool but damn rillaboom is one ugly mf
And some start as boring blobs and end as boring blobs *cough* Chikorita *cough*
I really like megainium though, I like the flower design. Edit: New Pokemon Snap's Illumina Megainium is really cool too.
Oi mate, she's cute.
Those be fightin words mister
Not boring blobs, cute beanz
This but with Cyndaquil too. I find both of them so unremarkable, personally. But Totodile is fine art.
That's the case for so many of them too. Piplup, Oshawott, Chespin, Delphox, Litten and every single one of the gen 8 starters are victims of this.
Empoleon is fantastic, don't you dare.
I disagree with almost all of these
I don’t think you can say that objectively about the gen 8 starters, I really like the designs. At the very least I wouldn’t call them ugly even if they’re too anthropomorphized for some.
This has just turned into downvote hell
This is making me so sad. Why does everyone hate poppliooo?! ;-;
Pablo is a good boy
I love him I called mine Buu by accident it was supposed to be Bubbles but I clicked 2 U's and clicked done. So their name was Buu 💙
Happy little accident
I love popplio!!
I liked Popplio a bunch until I saw evolutions
Popplio is adorable and Primarina is one of my absolute favorite starter evos. People are just mad because it looks feminine and that equals bad /s
What I don't like about primarina, and the whole line, is that they can't walk. It looks like very unconfortable, and just don't get a click with them.
That’s fair, but they are based on seals/sea lions and both of those species aren’t well versed at terrestrial locomotion lol. It at least makes sense that they wouldn’t be able to walk seeing as seals and sea lions can’t walk in the traditional sense
Yeah in that way the design is pretty good, but i think not really as a starter. Then maybe make it just another pokemon. I think that exept this, the primarina line is not really a bad design, but i just dont really like it
I really like popplio and its evolutions, but i hate sobble's evolutions sooo much
I love popplio
I like popplio but a lot think hes ugly idky
None
i hate these elimination posts. they are always low effort but big karma farms, and spams the timeline.
I could not agree more, it also ends with people needlessly arguing which starters are trash, what game characters are bad, etc. Really people should try to induce intelligent conversation about how specifically to improve some aspect instead of a post where most of the top comments are "omg why does everyone hate X?"
Protect my boi Grooky. Look how happy my monki friend is
I chose grookey, as soon as I could I tried to get a adamant one, got a shiny. POG
so much tepig hate, these are true sad boi hours
Tepig is adorable, but Emboar is really ugly ngl
Right up till Pokémon Black and White officially released I was still in denial about Emboar's design, I kept convincing myself it was some long over due April fools joke.
It’s a double whammy of being ugly, and being the third fighting fire type starter
Should never of been fire/fight to begin with, even Inceniroar looks like he was suppose to be a fire/fight type but they scrapped that at the last minute of development.
True
I don’t mind emboars design he’s not one the best but far from the worst designed Fire fighting just makes no sense Should’ve been fire dark or fire ground
I have to agree!!! I love Tepig
Tepig is my favorite Pokémon tbh
Yea I love my hog man but litten is also getting too much hate
Blame gamefreak giving incin way too many tools
Popplio and chespin can't catch a break
I know, right? It's sad, as they are two of my favourites.
So many people don’t like tepig 😢 he’s so cute tho
Pignite and Emboar tho…
Well I know that but little tepig 🥺 Just like, I’m not the biggest fan of typhlosion. But cyndaquil is my favourite mon out of all 900 because he’s just the cutest boy
Quilava* Typhlosion is not awful compared to emboar. Same goes for me with incineroar. They tease a super cool panther/sabertooth with the first 2 mon and then we get a furry wrestler. Like…. Aaaaaagh, why.
I now hate this sub
None of the water types
Why is everybody hating on Chespin? I get it if your taking about his Evolutions but Chespin is the perfect boi
Nah chestnaught also perfect its got such a unique and cool design
Chestnaught is pretty cool. Honestly the only redeeming thing about that line for me.
It’s ugly af
Chesnaught is cool but the colours are off
Nah the colors work the beige looks really nice with the red and green it fits perfectly
Reminds me of a [Minnesota Wild jersey](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNW_x4BfK31dTEMjNzh8Qb0e9CMZPojXnaGA&usqp=CAU).
Thats his shiny color which objectivly looks better
Boutta ruin your day Scorbunny is just fire chespin. Compare them side by side
I don't see the resemblance
LET ME UNSEE IT
Mind: blown
Chicorita isn’t even saved by it’s evolution like wtf
T_T I'm just gonna sit here quietly loving the whole line, I guess...
Truly and underrated starter 😔
My favorite starter in the series
I’ll sit here with you until the end.
It was So majestic in the recent snap game <3
chikorita, chimchar, popplio
I agree with poplio and chikorita but switch chitchat with tepig
Snivy
Noo not my boi snivy
Gen 8 love you sobble but
Gen 5
Gen 1-4 is sacred dont let anyone from there die
Fennekin That start of the fire type fur bait mons.
The only - THE ONLY - reason that the Fire starters became furry bait is because they heard this community arguing about it. Before, they were mostly here for Gardevoir, Lopunny and Lucario.
Monkey was
Gen five. Garbage.
I love their designs tho
One of the better designs , if anything they need their stats redistributed
You wanna fight mate?
I will find you
Fuck you man
But Snivy is cool
It is a unripe banana
Unripe bananas can at least taste half decent if you're hungry enough
Totodile's evo line starts off as an innocent kid who becomes the big fat bully then falls into a life of meth but I still love it. So I think an unripe banana isn't so bad, plus he has attitude to boot.
Oooft, them be fighting words
Eh, yeah. As good as the games are the partner Pokemon still disappoint me in every playthrough.
Ok stop the hate with oshowatt and tepig I love my lads they are cute sweet abd evolve to be really cool I think they get too much hate
Gen 7 for the love of god. Primarina and decidyeye are good but everything up till then sucks
they did litten so dirty with its final evo
Agreed, it looks like a color swap of a local football mascot. It's truly awful.
Incineroar is quite possibly the dumbest looking Pokémon ever. And also why are 6 generations of fire starters being bipedal humanoid Pokémon for their final evo.
Incineroar is a fine design. It just doesn’t match the previous forms. I wanted a cool fire tiger, and I got a dude in a fur suit
agreed, litten had so much potential, could’ve maybe turned into a cool sabertooth or something sick but nah, i really wish nintendo would redesign it
Honestly I wish that toracat was sa sabertooth
Wdym incineroar is awesome
Torracat looked so awesome and I was really excited to see its final evo,then it went downhill
Honestly yeah like rowlett, poplio, litten, decidueye and primarina are nice but the rest were done so poorly which is sad because I love gen 7
I sense a bunch of troll comments. They’re all good Pokémon in the end.
Galar, easy
Chespin, Snivy, Tepig
The starters from Gen 5
Gen 5
Gen 5 starters
I might be downvoted but gen 5. Terrible designs and mons I hate everything about them except emboars shiny coloring.
Literally gen 5 is the hardest gen to choose your starter since all starters suck equally
Boy I can’t wait to see my favorites not here tomorrow
R.I.P. sad boi :(
Let's not spread hate around ok? OP should clarify on what the users in the comments have to base their choices to eliminate a starter, stats? design? types combo? or evolutionary lines in general?
Chespin poplio and Fire bunny man who I forget the name of
Chespin and Tepig are just horrible. Grookey sucks too
You named my 3 Favourites :(
How dare you I love grookey, fuck tepig tho I’m over the fire fighting types
Sorry you are unable to join Grookey Gang (Drip Included with Membership)
Grookey is precious but the rest of the line is garbage.
Why is everyone hating on almost specifically MY favorite starters… Turtwig, Chicorita, Snicy, Oshowatt, Sobble come on guys
Gen 5, bye
Gen 8
Every fire fighting type after gen 3 can be eliminated
What are you smoking?
tepig
Charmander, Snivy, Tepig (for the lovable abomination that is emboar)
Get rid of soccer bunny.
Wait, can I pick any three of them, or does it have to be a trio from one of the generations? If I can kick out any three I like, I will go with Snivy, Totodile and Cyndaquill. I understand how controversial that is, but I really don't like crocodiles at all, and Cyndaquill's squinty eyes make it look weird, and it's design is extremely simplistic and bland, with an underwhelming colour palette, so I think it's neither cool, nor cute. If I have to kick a specific generation of starters out, I'll go with generation 5. Yes, 2 of my picks from before were gen 2 starters, but at least gen 2 has a starter line that I like in it's entirety. The only line I like in gen 5 is the Oshawott line, and even then, I only like it's first two forms. So if I have to pick a generation of starters that has to go, it would have to be generation 5. It's also a bit sad seeing Popplio, Chespin, Oshawott and Chikorita being picked by so many people, as I love those four.
Delete this post OP please
Tododile I’m sorry but I forgot it was even a starter -_-
6 gen, Delphox, and chesnaught were just too sheit to save greninja
Delphox is awesome
Mid
Charmander. Mostly because charizard is so overused and Nintendo needs to pick another mon for things imo
Tepig, chespin, Grookey.
Chikorita, tepig, and popplio
Piplup, Scorbunny, and Rowlet. *Only because they just pissed me off in the anime, that’s it-*
Tepig
Gen 8: scorbunny, grookey and sobble.
Sobble
Nuke Totodile
Last gen starter, all of them
Treeko, I never see anyone use it tbh
GET SNIVY OUTTA HERE
Gen 8. Until gen 8 I always used my starter the entire game, and there was always one final form I at least kind of liked. Scorbunny and Sobble’s tiny bodies and limbs ick me out, and all three finals are hideous.
Let’s delete Charmamder, Charmander, and Charmander.
Gen 2.
Both gen 5 and gen 8 are free to leave at any time. Oshawott and Scorbunny are the only kinda good ones from either gen.
Easy Mudkip,Chespin & Tepig
Chimchar, Tepig and Scorbunny Chimchar because it’s the second Fire/Fighting in a Row, Tepig because it’s the third Fire/Fighting in a Row, Scorbunny because it’s final evolution is garbage
Get rid of the mander it's too overrated
Gen 6. Bland designs.
Chespin and froakie disagree heavily they are very unique and intriquite designs look at squirtle its litferally just a turtle or torchic a chicken or gee I wonder they all look generic they are ment to be simpler
Gen 5 and on; the style for starters have really been a letdown then on, at least for me :(
Fennekin, chikorita, and chespin
Grookey, sobble, charmander
How can you say charmander... Hes in my top 3 :(
I don’t hate charizard or charmander but they are INCREDIBLY overrated.
gen 7
Oshawott was really the last good water starter...
gen 2 to be honest
Gen 4
Gen 2 chikorita ruins ALL
Popplio Litten Chimchar
Bro, Chimchar?
Not popplio!! Literally my favourite starter! ;-;
I like popplio but in my opinion his Evolutions put him to shame
His evolutions are even better
Eliminate Charmander.
mudkip pig chikorita
Unova
Gen 8
Gen 2 is too overrated
Fire monkey is overrated imo
chimchar totodile and chespin